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My father worked his whole life. He quit school in the 8th grade to raise his brothers and sisters during the depression. Worked in the shipyards during the wars and was in construction as a welder until he retired.

While growing up I can remember him working two and sometimes three jobs at once to make sure his family had a roof over their head, food and clothes. When he retired, he had a nest egg of $200,000 that he had struggled to save to supplement my mother’s and his monthly Social Security check. Because of his little next egg, he could not receive any extra help form the government.

Later in life he suffered from emphysema and arthritis. At one point he was in such pain from arthritis he broke down to go to a pain center. While sitting in the waiting room the administrator said, he would have to pay $506 out of pocket as neither his Medicare or his supplement would not cover it before the doctor could see him. He wrote the check and continued to wait for the doctor. Meanwhile a woman who recently arrived to our state from Somalia wearing her native clothing and headdress and could not speak English. She passed the nurse Medicare card and got her treatment free. This is just wrong.

I am sure other members have seen the same or similar incidences where you just cringe when you see this sort of free giveaways. I think with the way the liberals are now it is only going to get worse. God bless my father who recently passed..
exactly what .gov wants.....
Originally Posted by m1rifleman
exactly what .gov wants.....

I'm afraid so.
This is the way of the future. US citizens who worked hard all their lives will have the " white privilege " to pay for most every alien, legal or illegal, while they get next to nothing.
The whole welfare thing is not right.................take form those who've worked & give it to those that won't.

I just wonder how it will work when no one will work anymore.

MM
One day, the group of people who tire of paying the way for everyone else will burn the system down.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
One day, the group of people who tire of paying the way for everyone else will burn the system down.


Yep
But on the other hand, if someone has the ability to pay...why should taxpayers pick up the bill?
Why should we pay for immigrants? I don’t care if I have a million in the bank.

There was a meme in the thread that explains this perfectly.

[bleep] the immigrants! [bleep] Biden!
Who is going to pay for all the free stuff the commies are going to give out.? Be Well, RZ.
Correct. Taxpayers should not pay for immigrants either.
Originally Posted by Rustyzipper
Who is going to pay for all the free stuff the commies are going to give out.? Be Well, RZ.


Our kids.
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
But on the other hand, if someone has the ability to pay...why should taxpayers pick up the bill?



Why should anyone be entitled to anything at all? Just because something exists does not mean I should be able to have it. It doesn't matter what it is: the latest Corvette, the latest Cessna business jet, the latest cancer treatment...whatever. I can't afford any of that and for me to expect anyone else to pay on my behalf---even the cancer treatment---is covetous and immoral.
Sorry you lost your dad. Thats a tough thing to go through. I completely understand your frustration.
Over 1,000 have arrived in just one town where my dad lived in Maine and more are coming.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/his...ts-1st-somali-american/story?id=66853148
Don't EVEN get me started.
F-ck em all, work for cash...
This is their utopian Amerika.

Any stupid sumbich who is still voting dhimokrat at this point needs to have their grey matter examined for leaks.
Originally Posted by stxhunter
F-ck em all, work for cash...

That's about the only way to beat them. Work for cash and barter. I'll fix your leaky faucet if you'll fix my alternator kinda trades.
Saw where those idiots want to tax you by the miles you drive.

Guess who they're targeting?


Nearly 70% of the vote is impressive indeed but I'm not optimistic about the future of the town if they are brought in in large numbers.
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
But on the other hand, if someone has the ability to pay...why should taxpayers pick up the bill?


Why should forieners get free anything? Including space in the USA?
Originally Posted by andrews1958
My father worked his whole life. He quit school in the 8th grade to raise his brothers and sisters during the depression. Worked in the shipyards during the wars and was in construction as a welder until he retired.

While growing up I can remember him working two and sometimes three jobs at once to make sure his family had a roof over their head, food and clothes. When he retired, he had a nest egg of $200,000 that he had struggled to save to supplement my mother’s and his monthly Social Security check. Because of his little next egg, he could not receive any extra help form the government.

Later in life he suffered from emphysema and arthritis. At one point he was in such pain from arthritis he broke down to go to a pain center. While sitting in the waiting room the administrator said, he would have to pay $506 out of pocket as neither his Medicare or his supplement would not cover it before the doctor could see him. He wrote the check and continued to wait for the doctor. Meanwhile a woman who recently arrived to our state from Somalia wearing her native clothing and headdress and could not speak English. She passed the nurse Medicare card and got her treatment free. This is just wrong.

I am sure other members have seen the same or similar incidences where you just cringe when you see this sort of free giveaways. I think with the way the liberals are now it is only going to get worse. God bless my father who recently passed..

The rulers behind our government want non-Whites from the Third World to get every advantage possible in the US (to include super easy terms for business loans unavailable to Americans who were born here), and to flood into our nation in as large numbers as possible.
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
But on the other hand, if someone has the ability to pay...why should taxpayers pick up the bill?

Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Correct. Taxpayers should not pay for immigrants either.



You're no longer voting, what you think doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by andrews1958
My father worked his whole life. He quit school in the 8th grade to raise his brothers and sisters during the depression. Worked in the shipyards during the wars and was in construction as a welder until he retired.

While growing up I can remember him working two and sometimes three jobs at once to make sure his family had a roof over their head, food and clothes. When he retired, he had a nest egg of $200,000 that he had struggled to save to supplement my mother’s and his monthly Social Security check. Because of his little next egg, he could not receive any extra help form the government.

Later in life he suffered from emphysema and arthritis. At one point he was in such pain from arthritis he broke down to go to a pain center. While sitting in the waiting room the administrator said, he would have to pay $506 out of pocket as neither his Medicare or his supplement would not cover it before the doctor could see him. He wrote the check and continued to wait for the doctor. Meanwhile a woman who recently arrived to our state from Somalia wearing her native clothing and headdress and could not speak English. She passed the nurse Medicare card and got her treatment free. This is just wrong.

I am sure other members have seen the same or similar incidences where you just cringe when you see this sort of free giveaways. I think with the way the liberals are now it is only going to get worse. God bless my father who recently passed..

The rulers behind our government want non-Whites from the Third World to get every advantage possible in the US (to include super easy terms for business loans unavailable to Americans who were born here), and to flood into our nation in as large numbers as possible.






^^^^

Whites represent a larger portion of the middle class, which they are trying to destroy.

A dependent population is an easily controllable population.
A friend took his elderly mother that worked everyday of her life, to the county nurse to get a flu shot. Was told she didn't qualify as she owned too much to get anything free. This women worked on a ranch for decades and was the only one of the crew that walked the 35 miles twice a year to herd the sheep. After most retired, she became a maid for wealthy people. Now because she worked hard she gets no consideration. Her 300 pound son had taken her to the county nurse and watched illegal immigrants were getting their free shots. My friend proceeded to climb upon the desk of the administrator and jumped up and down with anger till he broke the desk. Mom got her shot.
Originally Posted by stuvwxyz
A friend took his elderly mother that worked everyday of her life, to the county nurse to get a flu shot. Was told she didn't qualify as she owned too much to get anything free. This women worked on a ranch for decades and was the only one of the crew that walked the 35 miles twice a year to herd the sheep. After most retired, she became a maid for wealthy people. Now because she worked hard she gets no consideration. Her 300 pound son had taken her to the county nurse and watched illegal immigrants were getting their free shots. My friend proceeded to climb upon the desk of the administrator and jumped up and down with anger till he broke the desk. Mom got her shot.

Good. This is the [bleep] that needs to happen. We need to fight back. More than them!
Kingston...i have voted and worked nonstop for many years. I have paid my dues and I will have an opinion. I know you are one of the good guys so I will not be snarky as you seem to think is ok to do to me.

Did voting for trump do you any good? They stole the election. So you want me to play a rigged game and vote for the losing side and that somehow earns me the right to my own opinion? I also have every right to interpret the constitution as i see it. I have taken zero days of disability and zero days of welfare and zero days of unemployment. I have been a free man and a producer and I will exercise my sovereignty.
Originally Posted by MarkWV
Originally Posted by stuvwxyz
A friend took his elderly mother that worked everyday of her life, to the county nurse to get a flu shot. Was told she didn't qualify as she owned too much to get anything free. This women worked on a ranch for decades and was the only one of the crew that walked the 35 miles twice a year to herd the sheep. After most retired, she became a maid for wealthy people. Now because she worked hard she gets no consideration. Her 300 pound son had taken her to the county nurse and watched illegal immigrants were getting their free shots. My friend proceeded to climb upon the desk of the administrator and jumped up and down with anger till he broke the desk. Mom got her shot.

Good. This is the [bleep] that needs to happen. We need to fight back. More than them!




Yes, good. When we begin to resist the bullshit, refuse to fund it, and demonstrate our willingness to use FORCE they might start listening to us. They think they can ignore us now because we are the law abiding, and "the law" (illegitimate though it may be) says we cannot do anything about it. Fact is, they are the ones who are flout the law, and at the highest levels.

Why should forieners get free anything? Including space in the USA?[/quote]


Agreed. Is there any other country in the world that would give free stuff to foreigners like this country does? I doubt it.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
The whole welfare thing is not right.................take form those who've worked & give it to those that won't.

I just wonder how it will work when no one will work anymore.

MM


I wonder how it’s going to work when atmospheric lead pollution begins to present a hazard.
All I will say is that theres a lot of folks who better pray to whatever deity they espouse that I am healthy until I drop dead. I get me a terminal illness, it won’t just be me getting the death sentence. No man is more free than when he has nothing left to lose.
No, it's not right. NOTHING seems right anymore. I'm 52, but feel like an old curmudgeon wondering what happened to this upside down world.
"Refugees" granted asylum are immediately enrolled in SSI. My in-laws have been riding that pony since 1985.
My friend told me that straight white male is the new jew. Everybody around the world hates us and blames us for everything. He said we will soon be the minority and then we'll have minority rights.

I hated to have to tell him what happened in South Africa. The white minority there are now considered previously privileged and are openly discriminated against as a matter of government policy.

We had to sponsor a kid to come over here to go to college because they wouldn't let him in there because he's white. He was born in 95 when Mandela was president but still discriminated against because of the sins of his forefathers.

I worry about the future for my kids. I think any law based on skin color either way is wrong and immoral. I didn't support apartheid and and don't support what replaced it. Everything should be based on merit and every kid should have the same chance. You will never have equal outcomes but we should allow everyone an equal shot at it.

Bb
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Yes, good. When we begin to resist the bullshit, refuse to fund it, and demonstrate our willingness to use FORCE they might start listening to us. They think they can ignore us now because we are the law abiding, and "the law" (illegitimate though it may be) says we cannot do anything about it. Fact is, they are the ones who are flout the law, and at the highest levels.[/quote]

I think you are being too kind and generous with the powers to be to give them the chance to listen. We are beyond them hearing us. No, they should cease to exist and that will be the example going forward to others that seek office. You get elected and start this treasonous activity like those in the past you can expect to give your life as they did.
Originally Posted by Triggernosis
Originally Posted by stxhunter
F-ck em all, work for cash...

That's about the only way to beat them. Work for cash and barter. I'll fix your leaky faucet if you'll fix my alternator kinda trades.


I’m truly amazed that Americans would so quickly adopt the mindset of the people oppressed by Communist governments. It’s their passive way to ‘stick it’ to the government when they feel they have no other means to resist their slavery. But We, The American People, have a right to defend our rights and must not allow ourselves to be coerced to acquiescence into becoming subjects and serfs of the State.

Our tradition is that the legitimacy of the government derives ONLY from the consent of the governed - freely given - not to allow its use of coercive force to intimidate and subjugate us. The generations who passed Liberty on to us paid a high price to preserve our rights and freedom.

Will we be remembered as the generation who gave away our freedom, but ‘stuck it to the man’ by creating an underground economy? “Allow it not, Almighty God.”
There is already a two tiered Healthcare system.

If you can pay cash, your access and care are much better.

This gap will continue to widen.
Money is already spent that our kids could make up. It's the Grand kids whom have the bill now.. It will only continue.
You are absolutely right! That sucks.
And I’m serious about this, please tell your dad I said thank you for being the kind of man that this country needs.
We are in desperate short supply of men who take care of their business.
Good luck with everything
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
The whole welfare thing is not right.................take form those who've worked & give it to those that won't.

I just wonder how it will work when no one will work anymore.

MM


They’ll just simply print and handout more money.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
All I will say is that theres a lot of folks who better pray to whatever deity they espouse that I am healthy until I drop dead. I get me a terminal illness, it won’t just be me getting the death sentence. No man is more free than when he has nothing left to lose.


We got us a real live wanna be martyr here .

You rock, wolf.
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Kingston...i have voted and worked nonstop for many years. I have paid my dues and I will have an opinion. I know you are one of the good guys so I will not be snarky as you seem to think is ok to do to me.

Did voting for trump do you any good? They stole the election. So you want me to play a rigged game and vote for the losing side and that somehow earns me the right to my own opinion? I also have every right to interpret the constitution as i see it. I have taken zero days of disability and zero days of welfare and zero days of unemployment. I have been a free man and a producer and I will exercise my sovereignty.



Yes, I was busting your balls.

I implore you, you must vote. Ohio is doing it right. It's legislatures in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Minnesota, Nevada... that fücked us. Voting is not a game. Voting is an inalienable right and a keystone of our democratic republic.
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Kingston...i have voted and worked nonstop for many years. I have paid my dues and I will have an opinion. I know you are one of the good guys so I will not be snarky as you seem to think is ok to do to me.

Did voting for trump do you any good? They stole the election. So you want me to play a rigged game and vote for the losing side and that somehow earns me the right to my own opinion? I also have every right to interpret the constitution as i see it. I have taken zero days of disability and zero days of welfare and zero days of unemployment. I have been a free man and a producer and I will exercise my sovereignty.



Yes, I was busting your balls.

I implore you, you must vote. Ohio is doing it right. It's legislatures in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Minnesota, Nevada... that fücked us. Voting is not a game. Voting is an inalienable right and a keystone of our democratic republic.



Vote if for no other reason than to protest.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
The whole welfare thing is not right.................take form those who've worked & give it to those that won't.

I just wonder how it will work when no one will work anymore.

MM


My thoughts exactly. A wise woman once said “The problem with socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people’s money.” Or something along those lines. I probably butchered the quote, but you get the idea.
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
But on the other hand, if someone has the ability to pay...why should taxpayers pick up the bill?


Becase they paid taxes the whole damn lives and deserve to see something in return.
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
But on the other hand, if someone has the ability to pay...why should taxpayers pick up the bill?
to each according to his needs......from each according to his abilities.....nothing more needs to be said.
It aint right when those who contribute the least and get the most.
Then throw in those same types having the right to vote .

Pretty fugged up system .....
Be sure to thank ANY liberal, democrat, any asswhole that's ever voted democrat, fence straddling moderates that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground for your situation!
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Kingston...i have voted and worked nonstop for many years. I have paid my dues and I will have an opinion. I know you are one of the good guys so I will not be snarky as you seem to think is ok to do to me.

Did voting for trump do you any good? They stole the election. So you want me to play a rigged game and vote for the losing side and that somehow earns me the right to my own opinion? I also have every right to interpret the constitution as i see it. I have taken zero days of disability and zero days of welfare and zero days of unemployment. I have been a free man and a producer and I will exercise my sovereignty.



Yes, I was busting your balls.

I implore you, you must vote. Ohio is doing it right. It's legislatures in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Minnesota, Nevada... that fücked us. Voting is not a game. Voting is an inalienable right and a keystone of our democratic republic.



I agree. Opting to not vote at all is the least reasonable of choices. It will be equally important, if not more so, to apply all the pressure we can to have state laws amended, fortified, and fully enforced to criminalize any kind of voting shenanigan. Witness what recently happened in Georgia, where one state rep thinks that based on the color of her skin she should be allowed to singlehandedly thwart the passage of such a law. Shine the light, cockroaches scurry.
Had a conversation with a farmer/truckowner I had worked for
numerous times. He was opining about hhow I wouldn't like my
new factory job. How farmers/truckers were so much different
than others. Independent, strong, liked freedom.


I opined how they were alike.
Hard headed, hard working.
Being played for fools in their endeavors.
Paid very little for goods and services that keep the rest alive.

And how when their income gets squeezed, they don't fight to
make it right. They find a way to work harder, do more for less.
While learning to live with less.

All while holding the world's nuts in their collective hand.
But, they are independent.
They worry about fighting with each other for the crumbs.
Instead of squeezing their collective hand.

Bigger scale, broader spectrum across the board today.
We don't need a war.
Or Devine intervention.
If every working person not engaged in immediate life sustaining employment, every consumer, would not work or purchase for...The Week of July 4?

We would shake the entire earth.

Ghandi and MLK showed the way.
We don't have to wait until we are the beaten down oppressed.
If we celebrated our nation's birth with a week off, to start a rebirth,
We could set our country back decades. Set certain aspects back.
Back to the era referred to by MAGA.



But, but, but, but.

Don't nobody do crap but try to service their stupid personal debt.
Drink beer, eat chicken and bitch.
Then go off to work to pay the banker for the mansion and SUV.

While they [bleep] away their descendants future.

Our ancestors are ashamed.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
This is their utopian Amerika.

Any stupid sumbich who is still voting dhimokrat at this point needs to have their grey matter drained from their skulls.


Fixed....
Originally Posted by Rustyzipper
Who is going to pay for all the free stuff the commies are going to give out.? Be Well, RZ.


Good question since they want to get rid of all whites. But the problem is it's mostly the white taxpayers that pay for the bulk of the handouts, unless something changes soon.
OP: I don't understand your post.

If your father worked all his life, why didn't he have Medicare?

It's illegal for an employer not to deduct and send in payments for Social Security and Medicare.
"Father worked to support sibnlings during The Depression"

This guy predates Social Security.
The rules were much different in the past.
Self employed people didn't have to pay in.
Big scam around here for farmers and loggers was to
start paying in, big, at 55. The benefit calculation was different then,
And 7 years of paying SS tax allowed them to draw more than employee
types that paid for decades.

For a time municipalities could opt out and have their own pension.

Also, certain industries get special deals on programs.
Auto Manufacturers and Railroads often have their own
little deals.
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
"Father worked to support sibnlings during The Depression"

This guy predates Social Security.
The rules were much different in the past.
Self employed people didn't have to pay in.
Big scam around here for farmers and loggers was to
start paying in, big, at 55. The benefit calculation was different then,
And 7 years of paying SS tax allowed them to draw more than employee
types that paid for decades.

For a time municipalities could opt out and have their own pension.

Also, certain industries get special deals on programs.
Auto Manufacturers and Railroads often have their own
little deals.


Farmers weren't in SS until sometime in the '50s. My grandfather got in just before he was 65. Made one payment and then collected for the rest of his life.

My wife's first job was with the State of Massachusetts. They had their own system. When we moved to another state, they paid out all her money.

People as old as I am will get far more out than we paid in.

People in their '40s will lose big.

Medicare is great. My wife had a $100K accident and we paid $42.

the .gov is really, really screwed up.
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