ok ok I get the fact of we have been seeing a compete crap show with all the panic buying. I also agree that ammo companies are churning out stuff as fast as they can and there is no conspiracy by biden to short us. but what is going on with reloading powder? I don't even see this trickle out. its like the stores NEVER get any. shouldn't we be seeing at least a little bit of powder show up? How is powder made? is this stuff mainly imported and labeled by the big handful of reloading companies? lets say hogdon wants to do a batch of 4831, where is it coming from and how are they mixing it up and is there a finite supply of what they can make?

Yes.

4831 4831sc around here.
42ish a pd IIRC this morning.

still on the shelf at Tn gun country from my lgs post last week.

85 90% of it all still on the shelf
Called slumlord told him sp and sr primers were on the shelves also.

Said he had plenty after his full blown buying spree last friday.
Told me to keep an eye out for LR primers now.



Clarksvegas Tn sucks the root....
I also hate that midsouthshooterssupply is 3 miles down the road.
And us locals in the greater4 or 5 county area have L A Privileges with the walk in store front.



https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt.../15968889/at-the-lgs-late-this-afternoon

^^^^^^
Tn gun country
Not midsouth walk in store front.

When is the last time anyone has seen AE brand from fed on the shelf????
1st for me in over a year.
Too me this is a good sign of product lines being made again.

Saw alot of rem umc pistol ammo today.
Vista,s rem plant been making stuff for the last month or 2.
Seen thunderturd bulky,s about 5 or 6 weeks ago.

Maybe start seeing seasonal runs of hunting ammo some more in the next couple of months.

The june / july stocking of dove hunting shells might be a good indicator of that.


But it all is getting bought up fast.
But it is also being replenished at a even level around here.


Just my observations.

Schit is obviously different in other regions.


Lot of ya are probably mislead by LGS places selling their inventories online under "no connection sellers" to the shop....

They tell you nothing is coming in .
When in reality it is and they are selling it online and trying to protect their local rep as a "good guy shop".

It all equals benjamins to them.

People in Tenn or at least near you must not reload much.

Powder Valley, Natchez, Midway, Mid South, etc have been getting plenty of powder in. And selling it instantly online.

Papaw's Discount Furniture and Gun Store can't compete with Larry Potterfield or Pete Brownell when it comes to getting shipments of powder from Hodgdon.

I would bet that every bit of that powder in Tennessee was sourced from Mid South.

Powder avail off and on, 30 bucks a lb.
Bullets hard to get.
Primers off and on still, but prices coming way down on them.
Loaded hunting ammo is tough.

Powder Valley came through for me the other day.

I gladly payed the hazmat fee.

Somebody was selling an 8lb bottle of 4350 before the fire fire..

Here is another way to kinda speculate on LGS proclaiming they have no ammo, guns, supplies...

Here in clarksvegas.
Ball park estimate on LGS and pawnshops that carry ammo and guns.
8 that I can think of.
Now you got midsouth in the area filling backorders for these shops and other regional distributors they all use.

Before the scamdemic all had ammo, guns, and reloading stuff at some.
Inventory was similar as a whole.
Prices at 2 specifically were always outragous compared to others with exact same items.
Fools patron them.
You can tell from the customers in em alot...

These 2 shops have had very little for inventory guns and ammo wise since april/ may 2020
While the others have had a limited selection or a average selection or a really good selection.
Several of these shops shut down for a week or 2 to allow inventory to build to sell once again.
They are doing business.
Loyal customer base.
Not azz raping people.


While these 2 shops with little to nothing seemingly coming in.
Are staying open , paying 2 to 4 employees , covering overhead, utilities and bemoaning to any fool coming into them about their not being anything to sell while in the same town other shops have a good selection of inventory to sell.


How are those 2 shops staying afloat and making even more Benjamin's???
Online sales with their inventory they get in with proxy seller accounts.


JMO.......

That 3031 stuff???👍👍👍👍👍

If chicken little would settle down and stop buying ammo and reloading items they don't need we'd see things improve. Until this happens get used to unobtanium with prices to go along. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot everytime the chicken littles amoung us fall for the Y2K mentality of conspiracies and things never being obtainable again. Buy what you need, leave something for the next fellow and slowly things will recover and not be so overpriced and scarce.

Lotsa bang bang shooters.
5.56
9mm
Ect ect ect.
Lotsa tactical based gunshops AR AK stuff

FTCKY
Military community and all the demographics associated with that.

Most of the older cats in line at academy are in their mid 60,s to late 70,s.
Retired mil

Those guys buy up as much as they can when they can.

Bulky packs of .22 is like crack rock to em for some reason.
lotsa people reload around here.
5.56
.223
9mm
7.62x51

Hunting cals also
But not like they do with the amount they load for bang bang cals.



LOL!!!

3 of the 4 had no powder or primers. I didn't waste my time on Nachez

I got 4 pounds of W296, so I'm good with .357 and .44mag for a while (I was down to maybe a pound left)

I got some StayBall 6.5 for my 6 and 6.5 man buns

Accurate 2200 for .223 and .308

Accurate 5744 for reduced 45/70 loads for my son

Norma 200 for subsonic .308 and lots of other stuff

And the 3931 I was looking for

😁

It is almost 15 16 months of local back orders being filled by midsouth

At one point they was 23 24 months projected behind.

So they are catching up from manufacturers catching up.

Might be more available online over the year from em.

This morning
They had 2 or 3 type of .40 available online and one type of .357 also.

Probably gone by now.

But yes .
What is available local from midsouth is different from their online availability.
They gotta stay in business till inventory levels are able to be presented online for sale.
So they are trying to play catch up by filling local backorders and reducing those.
I think they have put a time window on new local orders being allowed for #,s and frequency in order to get even from all the existing 2019 and 2020 orders.

I talk to one of the guys at the store front every so often.
And one of their well known older guys has a network of gun buyers in the area I have had him make calls with me before to sell guns.
You can get info outta them of what is happeing in a roundabout way thru conversation.

Im in Phoenix today on business. Went by Bruno Shooters Supply for a look see. They have a fair bit of stuff; powder, primers and bullets but it’s pretty spendy. $120/k for primers and an 8# keg of powder was $300. 1# was $45. I bought some ammo boxes and that was it. Thought about an 8# or two of powder, but I flew in and there wasn’t any there that I needed bad enough to pay shipping on.

lmao.

A long time ago I used to pick up 5744 for the region 2 TWRA head honcho warden.
For his savage smokeless.
Cultivated a relationship with him about inner workings of TWRA
State wildlife biologists, and how the Governors good ole boy appointed TWRC commisioners had final say so in game regs in the state. Cause these commissioners had goodole boy interest only from their regions.


People used to get really ticked at me on TN Deer when I would lay out schitt on threads and tell em TWRC has zero interest in the average Tn hunter and only their friends from some of the common sense things wardens and biologists in the state would have liked to have enacted.

That was 06 to 11 era before I got banned.
Now that some of the old fuddy duddy appointees are no longer on the govs gang.
Tn has done some good things management wise over the last 5 or so years.


Totally off ammo subject.
But kinda along the lines of networking and gaining info thru conversations.

That looks like some marvin the Martian schitt man.

LOL!!!

Am I the only one who expected to see a BBC reflection on those mirrored lenses?

The trick is to catch it in stock and buy immediately. They have all sold hundreds of pounds of powder over the past month or two. So has hodgdon direct on their own website. Stays in stock maybe 5 minutes.

What's your load for the 45-70? I have a friend who wants to start reloading for his, that I told him recently.

Clarksville, Tennessee sucks. Bigger than Billings and greater-metro Sierra Vista combined and more powder too. lol


Picked all this up Saturday, local gun shop.

I didn’t need any powder, really but the darn ‘chicken littles’ keep hogging it up so they can haul to the flea market.

Hey man post up that pic of granny I sent ya this morning.
Same ole gal from last week.

She is actually pretty rightous.
Got to talking to her and 4 other mil retirees.
Granny hates welfarites
Granny hates liberal Socialist Democrats politicians and voters alike.
Granny even seen the LBJ great society schit for what it was gonna be back in the day.

#grannyissquaredaway

300g JHP @ 1350fps with 29.2 g 5744 and fed 210m primer. COAL 2.520". Max load per my Lyman manual 32g at almost 1500fps, so I'm not hot.

325g GT Bullets gas-checked lead over 29.5g 5744 gives me around 1400fps. Same primer. Seated 2.540"

Both work in my Marlin GSBL.

Oh, Starline brass.

Disclaimer: I'm not a loading manual. Please video any kabooms inspired by this post and upload after you get out of the hospital.....

😉

I'm surprised most here are looking for powder and such. No one stocked up, knowing this shortage was coming? Well.........

I'll pass that along especially the video part😀. Thanks.

There's good load data out there.

If he's new, tell him to buy a current Lyman manual and he'll be GTG.

Eventually he'll have a dozen different manuals, but Lyman has a lot of the lead bullets with different weights.

I hear you. Mostly stocked up but it will be 3 years before the shortage lessens if nothing crazy happens

Very well stocked here, but sometimes we purchase other firearms that might require other components.....

Yeah, I have a couple of Lyman manuals, but my wife "put them away". So I've got replacements on order now.

The problem is we both drive trucks, so finding time when we're both in town is hard. This weekend I'll have a chance to show him the ropes. He was able to order some 5744, I'll give him a couple hundred primers to get him started, and I included all my brass and bullets in the sale.

I was also gonna give him powder to get started, but he wants to use his own.

Oh, some of us were stocked up.

Doesn't mean I'm not buying more if it's available and I have the bullets and primers to load it with.

I wish we could get some in the stores out here. Renegade

I'm not exactly short on powder...yet. It's primers that have all gone MIA.

Would love to get 5000 small rifle primers at a good price...

Yeah no chit

And some us actually shoot instead just sitting on it like a garbage rat.

Granny, Cleon and Cleatus need powder, carbide dies, small rifle primers oh oh and of course 500 count cartons of Federal Lightning. lol

I was shooting at my LGS/range today and they, as usual, had a pretty good variety of powder but no primers. I bought this a couple of weeks ago.



Dropped by Walmart at 2:30 on the way home.

Check out them scuffed-up E Tonics diabetic/orthopedic tennis. She been pounding it.

I'd be the asshöle rocking the swing set!

Granny a longhorn fan....


Just like all the other Tn fans that went away after Peyton left.

LOL!!!

Wait, we can SHOOT our guns?!?!???

Granny is squared away man.

I think she mighta bought some monarch 150 pks of 5.56 today.

She didnt have a torn peice of envelope today with 5.56 and .223 written on it.

She was behind me today.


Thank god....

Everyone behind her had to wait for her to walk in.

BTDT last week .

Lol!!!

I’d be the ass hole that breaks out a beach ball.



Renegade dont want me up there, says I might embarrass him. Lol

He won’t even answer my phone calls when he’s in line. 😃

Not me....

I inventory my pallet of bulky .22 in my basement command center everyday

Update my tally log.

And gleefully think I got it all and keeping it from others.


Just cause I can.


#Iwontbuythat50rdboxofaccuratestuffever.
#IfitaintbulkyIaintbuyingandwalkingawaydisgruntled.






LOL!!!

Fugg no...

Cause I know you want me to put you on speaker so you can do the Johnny Knoxville bad grandpa routine.
And it will be all about bulky packs of rem thunderturds or win wildcats....


LOL!!!

Exactly. I might have to back off shooting a little if my boy keeps burning it up like he is now. He just passed hunter safety and that’s all he wants to do.

In this case I highly reccomend...
Bulky packs of .22!!!

26 to 30 bucks at academy.
Gotta do the line for em man.
Gotta do the line....

I’m up 16-17k. That’s at least enough until 2022.

Lol

I thought Granny was a dude.

Truth.

I'm not waiting in line for ammo, but anytime you want to go...

You, me, a minivan and super-soaker.

#Epic

Not as epic as potato gun drive-by on groids fishing at the boat ramp. lol

But yeah, sounds good

Multiple AA powders in stock at powder valley as of five minutes ago. You want any, better go and grab.

I love, love, LOVE that it's a "pd".

I need an 8 pud jug of Varget if anyone sees one.

Scrambling because of that right now. Never owned or wanted a .44 Mag.. until somebody placed a new Anaconda under my nose.

I snagged a 4lb jug of W296 last week from Powder Valley.

Gotta keep checking and jump fast when it's in stock.

Opt for a hogshead or at least a rundlet

I had thousands of shotgun, LR and LP primers, thousands of bullets and plenty of powder for the guns I had, 22lr and ammo, enough for me and my 2 grandkids lifetime probably.

But decided to buy my first 22 centerfire and a 357, so needed different primers, bullets, dies and powder.

Luckily I've been able to trade some of my excess components for what I need but it's a tedious process.

Kent

I have been able to score some powder online, 1 lb'ers, retail now is close to 50 bucks with hazmat, shipping and tax, I just got 5 bottles of IMR4166, their Varget compatible, for 245.07. It went in 5 minutes you have to be fast. And I don't even need it, just someone on the local site said they wanted some. I'll put it up for 50 bucks ea and if it doesn't sell just keep it. This is about the forth time I've bought powder just to put it up on the local site so others can get some.

It used to run about 40 bucks a few months ago but online retail has jumped. I'm gonna quit as 50 bucks is to much for the average guy, it was scalper money 6 months ago, I don't want to get caught with all the powder I don't need.

Kent

I’d sell or trade some my primers and powder but I’m just a regular dude. I’m not going take a chance and mail something that requires a hazmat and try to covertly avoid doing it.

There must be a bazillion people on gunbroker that are gazmat certified.

Yep, only FTF, I'm that way with guns also.

Kent

Online, midway, hodgdon and powder valley to buy, they each have different limits and have limited choices, which makes it hard to by quantity to spread the hazmat. I've never even looked at gun broker.

Kent

Snagged 4 pounds of Shooters World Precision off Mid South yesterday. Final cost with shipping and hazmat was about 36 bucks a pound. Not a great deal, but about as good as you can expect for mail order powder right now.

Supposed to be similar to Varget.

Yep, a little cheaper than varget too. Gonna try it out in a 308.

Looks like powder valley has h335 and Ramshot Tac and some other odds and ends in stock if anyone is looking right now. Better hurry on the Tac.

Picked up a pound of IMR 4198 at my legs. Sombitch was $40.99 plus tax. Didn't have any at home and have been looking for it, so I bought it.

I haven't seen powder on the shelf since late summer 2020. Primers, either.

I have supplies for the stuff I currently own and shoot .. mostly.

The "shortage" hits me when I want to try something new. I don't have powders for the magnums / long range cartridges. I have one build and a couple planned purchases on hold waiting to see if things break loose. I have one rifle I'm trying to work with, have some powder, but maybe not the right one. If I don't find something with the bullets / powders I can get, when I run out of things on the shelf to try, it gets sold. I'm not keeping any paperweights.

Hah. Tried to put some H335 in my cart. Was showing as in stock. Blew up "out of stock" when I got to the nitty-gritty.

Hah. Tried to put some H335 in my cart. Was showing as in stock. Blew up "out of stock" when I got to the nitty-gritty.[/quote]


Had this happen before, it sucks. I did score a jug of Hunter from PV the other day.

Happens more than you are allowed to buy at PV, had been able to get a couple Winchester and VV powders a month ago.

Kent