RIP
I didn't realize there were female paratroopers.
A very unfortunate situation. God Bless her.
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 15,000 dead that never left the 48.
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 30,000 dead that never left the 48.
Wow.
I didn't realize it was that many.
A sad deal. Rest in Peace, Airborne! Training kills occasionally and any number of things can go wrong on a jump!
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 30,000 dead that never left the 48.
Wow.
I didn't realize it was that many.
Well, it appears I misremembered my stats. Internet search, several sites quote 15,000.
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 30,000 dead that never left the 48.
Had a pile of them in our county. We had three spots where fighter pilots were trained to fly. Each of the three spots had six or so cris crossed runways you can still see from the air today. Mostly P-51’s and P-40 Warhawks from the pics I’ve seen. They trained pilots-to-be from the US as well as Great Britain. The farm I have hunted for years is adjacent to the ends of three runways. Unfortunately, many pilots were killed during takeoffs and landings there and it isn’t unusual for a tractor bottom plowing to pull up wreckage from long ago. A friend of mine found a wedding ring that based on the inscription, was able to be traced back to a family in GB.
A sad deal. Rest in Peace, Airborne! Training kills occasionally and any number of things can go wrong on a jump!
True words. I spent 4 years in the 82nd. Losses were not common, but did happen a little too often. Still, more troops were killed driving drunk than parachuting every year. Stuff is gonna happen with young kids ( like I was) being out on their own for the first time. Exactly like in civilian life.
Airborne Ops is high risk training. There is a lot that can go wrong with precious little time to fix the problem. I can't remember a Mas Tac that didn't involve injuries, several of which resulted in fatalities. Fatalities occur across the spectrum of military training. Always a bad thing.
R.I.P. Spec Jenks, see you at the final RP.
zero reason to even have women jumping out of helicopters
zero reason to even have women jumping out of helicopters
who else is gonna pack the sammiches?
Sad day. Another freedom defender gone.
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 30,000 dead that never left the 48.
Wow.
I didn't realize it was that many.
Well, it appears I misremembered my stats. Internet search, several sites quote 15,000.
Thats still a bunch!
Just a fool being foolish. I'm sure you've seen the type before.
WWII was in the early days of serious parachuting. Techniques and equipment have improved dramatically since then. It was invented clear back in the late 1700's and used to jump off of cliffs and towers but a lot of jumpers splatted. They were like early day BASE jumpers. Even today that's a very dangerous sport.
Damn. Prayers for her family
Any service member death is a tragedy! RIP Specialist. Condolences to her family and friends.
Mike
Cop basher
Military basher
What else?
And has a bunch of people on ignore.
Any service member death is a tragedy! RIP Specialist. Condolences to her family and friends.
Mike
+1
IIRC, her unit (319th FA Abn) was one of the artillery units tasked with deploying tactical nukes through the end of the cold war. Not sure where they would have deployed them. Maybe the Fulda Gap?
They had some interesting security protocols.
subterranean ruralite said something? Guess I would have to take HIM off of ignore to read it. R I P Specialist. But Be Well, RZ.
A sad deal. Rest in Peace, Airborne! Training kills occasionally and any number of things can go wrong on a jump!
True words. I spent 4 years in the 82nd. Losses were not common, but did happen a little too often. Still, more troops were killed driving drunk than parachuting every year. Stuff is gonna happen with young kids ( like I was) being out on their own for the first time. Exactly like in civilian life.
I think it was in the early 90s out here that Camp Pendleton shut down motorcycle operations until all the young marines buying rice rockets got a bit of training and a motorcycle license.
Not sure where they would have deployed them. Maybe the Fulda Gap?
Remember 5 Jun '67 and 6 Oct '73?
Phil
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quote=simonkenton7]Static line jump from a helicopter.
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A sad deal. Rest in Peace, Airborne! Training kills occasionally and any number of things can go wrong on a jump!
True words. I spent 4 years in the 82nd. Losses were not common, but did happen a little too often. Still, more troops were killed driving drunk than parachuting every year. Stuff is gonna happen with young kids ( like I was) being out on their own for the first time. Exactly like in civilian life.
Horrible news.wonder what happened? We had one guy die during our training and some pretty bad injuries. I always hated riding and training in helicopters.
I was not Airborne when I was in the Army many years ago, but I have a good friend across the street who was a USMC Force Recon team leader in Vietnam. The Force Recon men have to make ten jumps to qualify for their Naval paratrooper wings.
We were discussing jumping once a couple of years ago and he told me that he had no problem jumping from a prop plane, staic line, but he hated jumping from a helicopter. He explained that the prop blast from a prop plane helps to open the canopy, but because there is no prop blast, other than downward, from a helicopter, the canopy can sometimes not open and there's no reserve chute to pull.
That's what he told me.
I wonder if something like that might have happened to the woman paratrooper??? She was jumping from a helicopter.
FWIW.
L.W.
Cop basher
Military basher
What else?
And has a bunch of people on ignore.
No sh*t. I didn't realize military training was a stupid game. RIP, and condolences to her family.
Saddens me to hear of the loss of the young Paratrooper. It's a reminder of the inherent danger of airborne operations and the sacrifice that our armed forces make each and every day for this country.
Spec. Jenks - Airborne All The Way
Women attending jump school and serving in Airborne units is nothing new, when I attended the Basic Airborne Course in November 1978 there were women going through it then , a lot of them were "riggers" who were headed to the 82nd ABN .
StarchedCover
Sad news indeed, Rest In Peace spc Abigail Jenks.... I don’t know the specifics of her accident, but my sons fiancé’ was injured doing the same training exercise as I understand it. Something gave way that wasn’t supposed to and she free fell backwards about 15 or so feet. Ended her career and she’s had about 15 surgeries so far.
RIP
Maybe God needed another good soldier.
Osky
I was not Airborne when I was in the Army many years ago, but I have a good friend across the street who was a USMC Force Recon team leader in Vietnam. The Force Recon men have to make ten jumps to qualify for their Naval paratrooper wings.
We were discussing jumping once a couple of years ago and he told me that he had no problem jumping from a prop plane, staic line, but he hated jumping from a helicopter. He explained that the prop blast from a prop plane helps to open the canopy, but because there is no prop blast, other than downward, from a helicopter, the canopy can sometimes not open and there's no reserve chute to pull.
That's what he told me.
I wonder if something like that might have happened to the woman paratrooper??? She was jumping from a helicopter.
FWIW.
L.W.
It DOES take a little longer for the chute to open, not much, but it's noticeable. I only made four or five jumps from a helicopter, and that was 40 years ago, so the memories fade a bit. 3 from a Huey and 1 from a Chinook. Still fun, especially the Chinook (walk right off the ramp), but I concur with your Marine buddy, Hueys aren't really good jump aircraft.
I was not Airborne when I was in the Army many years ago, but I have a good friend across the street who was a USMC Force Recon team leader in Vietnam. The Force Recon men have to make ten jumps to qualify for their Naval paratrooper wings.
We were discussing jumping once a couple of years ago and he told me that he had no problem jumping from a prop plane, staic line, but he hated jumping from a helicopter. He explained that the prop blast from a prop plane helps to open the canopy, but because there is no prop blast, other than downward, from a helicopter, the canopy can sometimes not open and there's no reserve chute to pull.
That's what he told me.
I wonder if something like that might have happened to the woman paratrooper??? She was jumping from a helicopter.
FWIW.
L.W.
Personally I would rather jump out of a helicopter since there is less opening shock. As far as not jumping with a reserve we always had one. I thought everybody used them unless it was an actual combat drop at way lower that training jump altitude.
We never had any fatalities while I was jumping. There was a whole bunch of injuries though. A friend of mine came pretty dang close to getting his neck broke when the static line got hung up on his neck and/or helmet. My dad saw a guy get killed that way when he was a smokejumper.
I managed to fracture 2 vertebrae on a jump ( that hurt a little bit) and another guy in the same stick busted his pelvis or thigh. I always thought the wind was too fast with way too many gusts to be jumping that day personally, but I didn't make those decisions.
Leanwolf,
You make your 5 jumps to get your "lead" wings in the Basic Airborne Course and you have to make 5 additional jumps to get your "gold" wings.
Having that "gold" wing pinned on is an experience you don't forget. Good times.
StarchedCover
She is from my town. I don't know the family though. I haven't seen any home coming news yet.
Damn. Prayers for her family
+1
News no parent wants to get.
A sad deal. Rest in Peace, Airborne! Training kills occasionally and any number of things can go wrong on a jump!
True words. I spent 4 years in the 82nd. Losses were not common, but did happen a little too often. Still, more troops were killed driving drunk than parachuting every year. Stuff is gonna happen with young kids ( like I was) being out on their own for the first time. Exactly like in civilian life.
Horrible news.wonder what happened? We had one guy die during our training and some pretty bad injuries. I always hated riding and training in helicopters.
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I actually loved the jumps out of Hueys and Chinooks, (Ch46's for amphibious training) C-130's and 141's not so much cuz it usually meant beaucoup dudes in the sky , no moon and wind!
God Bless her...and her family and loved ones.
Freedom is not free...in peacetime or in war.
She signed her name on the dotted line for this Country. She gave her life training to defend it. May God bless and keep her. May He give comfort to her friends and family.
I always preferred the helo jumps.
If schit goes bad in a plane at least you have some time to try and get out unlike a helicopter which drops like a rock.. I was in a pretty bad crash landing in a helicopter and lost a friends who died in another helicopter crash. I went on a Hind in Russia on a remote fishing trip and that thing shook and rattled the entire flight. Talk about pucker.
Ill take a plane any day.
A sad deal. Rest in Peace, Airborne! Training kills occasionally and any number of things can go wrong on a jump!
True words. I spent 4 years in the 82nd. Losses were not common, but did happen a little too often. Still, more troops were killed driving drunk than parachuting every year. Stuff is gonna happen with young kids ( like I was) being out on their own for the first time. Exactly like in civilian life.
Horrible news.wonder what happened? We had one guy die during our training and some pretty bad injuries. I always hated riding and training in helicopters.
I actually loved the jumps out of Hueys and Chinooks, (Ch46's for amphibious training) C-130's and 141's not so much cuz it usually meant beaucoup dudes in the sky , no moon and wind!
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She was a helluva lot more Man than a certain poster here is.
There’s nothing stupid about high risks training.
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 30,000 dead that never left the 48.
Wow.
I didn't realize it was that many.
for every American soldiers killed in combat during WW 2, 3 were killed in training accidents...
right around 300,000 were lost in combat in all services in ALL Theatres...
She signed her name on the dotted line for this Country. She gave her life training to defend it. May God bless and keep her. May He give comfort to her friends and family.
Well said Joel.. very well said.
In Yuma my Son almost bit the dust when his chute fouled about 750-1000 ft.from impact.
When the rest of his group got to him he was sitting up,they thought he was dead.
These things happen sometimes in military training.
Prayers for the family.
Didn't see many women in the service in 69, in fact don't remember seeing any except for a few nurses, and a couple riggers. Though at that time they weren't allowed to jump, most still did on their own time and with their own equipment. At the time most all of our jumps were from 500 feet. Most were also at night. Had quite a few from Huey's, they weren't hovering, you still caught blast of wind, but getting out over the skids made it seem strange, sometimes spinning you around or so it felt. Women have come a long ways in the military in the last 50 years. Any training death is hard to take, but more so when its a girl. I heard about this a couple days ago, but at the time they hadn't given any specifics or even said it was a girl. Sorry to hear.
Phil
There are patriots willing to put all they are on the line.
You, I doubt, are one of those.
Her job was an especially stupid one for a female. She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. She doesn't get any special recognition for wasting tax dollars along with all the other silly progressives weakening our military. The left doesn't care how many like her die as long as they can populate the military with people allied to them.
Damn training accidents. Another brave, dedicated American gone.
During WWII, the Army Air Forces lost over 15,000 dead that never left the 48.
Growing up, I knew a guy that was on a crew that cleaned up after the plane crashes. He said he got to the point that he could pick up body parts in one hand and eat a candy bar in the other.
Her job was an especially stupid one for a female. She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. She doesn't get any special recognition for wasting tax dollars along with all the other silly progressives weakening our military. The left doesn't care how many like her die as long as they can populate the military with people allied to them.
Your opinion regarding this soldier.
Not mine.
Anyone experienced in static line jumps from a helicopter? What could have gone wrong?
I will ask my son tomorrow.
I know he has done halo,haho and lots of jumps from a chopper over Guam.
On those jumps he said they tried not to hit dry land because then the boats would be no good.
Anyone experienced in static line jumps from a helicopter? What could have gone wrong?
The chute may have failed to fully open due to the slower speed of the helicopter (90 knots) versus the C-130 (120 knots). From the airplane, you are moving forward as you fall and the chute is designed to open in part using that air flow. Typically you fall 200 feet before the chute fully opens. since helicopters fly slower they have to fly higher and hope your terminal velocity is enough to wrest the chute open.
Cigarette rolls and streamers happen even from the faster planes.
Dad said helicopter jumps were fun.
You just have your feet on the skids and jump out.
Thank you Ma'am for your service and your sacrifice.
It is always tragic to hear of the death of one of America's Finest. Seems doubly tragic when it is a training accident. But even the most ignorant know, training does no good unless you train like you fight.
Godspeed Spc. Jenks.
Prayers to the family.
Question to those who know ?
Do soldiers pack their own parachute on static jumps?
I’ve read that SF pack theirs for Jumps.
RIP Soldier
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Question to those who know ?
Do soldiers pack their own parachute on static jumps?
I’ve read that SF pack theirs for Jumps.
RIP Soldier
🦫
Only the HALO guys pack their own chutes. Riggers pack the chutes for static line jumps including SF.
Even after opening jumpers can get to close to one another where one chute looses air and collapses. Unless getting clear fast and pulling away some one is going to have a painful landing. Landed in a grape vineyard one time because of this. Also saw one of our guys bounce off bed rock in Italy for nearly the same reason.
Phil
Didn't see many women in the service in 69, in fact don't remember seeing any except for a few nurses, and a couple riggers. Though at that time they weren't allowed to jump, most still did on their own time and with their own equipment. At the time most all of our jumps were from 500 feet. Most were also at night. Had quite a few from Huey's, they weren't hovering, you still caught blast of wind, but getting out over the skids made it seem strange, sometimes spinning you around or so it felt. Women have come a long ways in the military in the last 50 years. Any training death is hard to take, but more so when its a girl. I heard about this a couple days ago, but at the time they hadn't given any specifics or even said it was a girl. Sorry to hear.
Phil
Maybe small difference in semantics but I don’t believe a girl was in that jump suit that day. Have to say she was a full fledged woman, with balls. She didn’t make the rules but used them to put herself in danger should the need arise to protect our nation. Girls don’t do that. If female, it takes a full grown woman. God bless and keep her soul at hand.
RIP
I didn't realize there were female paratroopers.
There aren't anymore.........
RIP, Spc Jenks
My son is airborne qualified. Every time he has to make a jump, I worry a bit until he calls me afterwards
Prayers and condolences to the family. May she rest in peace.
My oldest son just got out of the 82nd and is back home. He thankfully got through without any mishaps.
I rather enjoyed jumping Huey’s. I guess I was to young and to stupid to appreciate the risk associated with helicopters.
My unit had a jump fatality in April of 93’ about three weeks before I got there. I was assigned to the same platoon.It really affected those guys and understandably so but they kept right on jumping and doing their jobs.
God bless all who have served.
I don't know how much has changed since I retired but if they are still using the "bell" parachutes for basic jumpers then I can understand how these incidents continue to happen. In my opinion, static line jumps are freaking dangerous because of the chutes and auto deployment. The static line doesn't care how your body is positioned when the chute is deployed. When it opens, you have what you got, no steering ability. In the Navy, we went to Bragg and got Basic Jumper and immediately went to the Navy Advanced Free Fall school in Miramar. We utilized I believe Mark V chutes with inflatable cells and manual deployment. Major difference is you get to exit the aircraft and slipstream, stabilize and then pull the D ring. When your cells inflate and have a stable platform, you have the ability to STEER to your landing. The majority of static line jumps are not due to parachute failure. They are due to landings. Broken necks due to coming down in trees, landing backwards, power lines etc...
In my best day, I would have declined a static jump with a "dumb" chute. A bad exit from a jet can snap your neck on deployment, [bleep] barreling through your deployed chutes, self entanglement, tangled lines and if you get all that right, you still are just meat under a canopy waiting to see where it lands you.