https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...h-more-funding-million-affordable-homes/

because it grows at the tops of trees

How about they get out of the way and let supply and demand take care of it.

Some one is getting rich and it aint the farmer. $6/T around here. I got timber that needs thinning, but not at that price.

Lumber Firms Applaud, Home Builders Angry As U.S. Moves To Double Canadian Lumber Tariffs

The U.S. Department of Commerce says it will seek to double tariff rates on most Canadian softwood lumber, angering home builders and delighting lumber producers.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/l...-us-moves-double-canadian-lumber-tariffs

I've seen no shortage.

There is no shortage, but my little gig doing barn repairs, mostly foundations, stone, etc. is coming to an end as prices are killing me and I do not charge farmers much for my services to begin with. Concrete, lumber, rebar prices are all going up as is fuel and food and these folks do not wish to pay anymore than I charge , I have not raised my hourly rate in 15 years .

Cuz it grows up!

I live in an area with a number of lumber mills and the biggest problems is finding people to work. Can't start a third shift without them. There are ads on the radio every day seeking workers, but it seems that a number of unemployed workers find it more lucrative to remain unemployed.

This applies to many "shortages."

trying to find a buyer for land just timbered. No mills are taking timber now because they advised running at around 30% capacity due to lack of employees

In my area, there are a lot of reasons western softwood lumber is crazy high right now, one is inventory is down mainly because western mills told their employees last year...if you aren't comfortable coming to work during covid...just stay home, your job will be here when you come back. Well, they stayed home and after 6 weeks were able to draw unemployment with bonuses, so worker shortage, no inventory from eastern weather events, Canadians also reduced production from covid. Until the unemployment bonuses go away, don't look for increased production. Raw log prices, surprisingly, are at record lows...too many salvage logs from endless fires last few summers. It's going to take a while for the market to stabilize.
And then there is Canada...the Canadians subsidize the hell out of their softwood industry (socialism) and by NAFTA and USMCA dump their products down here at prices that free enterprise cannot compete with. They are literally giving away Crown timber...US producers have to bid on our timber at full market value, who can compete against free raw materials? Our industry if given a level playing field would expand and easily meet our demand, but until the Canadian dumping is stopped our industry cannot expand...there just isn't enough profit incentive when you have to compete against a rigged game. You may ask, how did we sign that trade deal. Bill Clinton traded favors for the Detroit Auto Unions, to limit Canadian auto parts and autos for the unions, and in return said sure, Canada, we'll let your lumber in with only a token tiny tariff. The Democrat Party at work. Every place where there are unstable markets, agriculture, lumber, metals, petroleum, drill down, you will see the finger of the US Govt, screwing up free markets since 1780.

Smart

Wrong--again.

https://madisonsreport.com/2021/04/...mill-capacity-utilization-wwpa-jan-2021/



US sawmill production as a per cent of practical capacity for January 2021 improved to 91% from 87% in the same month last year, said the Western Wood Products Association’s monthly Lumber Track.

That's what I was told by someone in the business.

I think that it is because of all of the marijuana plots hidden in the woods. The THC transfers to the trees through the soil or through the air.

I hear lumber sales to China are skyrocketing

Here is Louisiana there has been high demand due to the hurricanes last year and the ice storm. Lots of timber company land here locally and mills. The mills haven't been able to keep up with the demand, not because of staff, because of natural disasters.

There are 4 logging contractors cutting timber within 5 miles of my house now. They have been working 7 days a week for 3 weeks even tho its been raining almost everyday. Timber companies normally shut down the loggers when its really wet.

Timber company man told me they the company is making epic profits right now, he said they are buying at prices of 10 years ago. So the timber companies ( not the loggers) and retail sales are making a killing right now while the people trying to rebuild from the storms are paying the price.

Probably can't get past the drug test! I interviewed 36 people, to fill five positions, in 2012! Only for passed the pre employment drug screen! All but two failed with thc in their system. The other two failed pot and meth! Finally recruited within the company! In 2012 the wage of $28.50 an hour plus, insurance, paid vacation, and 10% of earnings paid by the employer, to retirement, wasn't enough to stop smoking pot! WTF! This was in the lumber industry of southern oregon!

It’s like a depression where people have money but almost nothing to buy . God please do anything you can to defeat those evil azz holes

Been stroked too much?

THC is no more different than coffee imho.

Booze wrecks havoc on business and family Ime.

I have met some good pot heads that are extremely successful.
Good homes. Kids and family excelling in life.


Don’t put it on the weeds, man.😉

Some people just suck at life. And what they do or abuse regardless of the substance
is an excuse for sucking.

The mills are NOT going to add capacity that will stand idle any more than ammo makers. The normal size and demand of the market is pretty well established and it would be coconuts to turn on a bunch of shiny metal the week everything caves.

Never mind that prices on the stump (to get the wood to the mill) are pretty much flat. Nobody's offering more to the loggers and truckers and landowners, I know this first hand on one side and secondhand on the others.

As for jobs, the wood products industry in much of the West has been, and still is, under unrelenting assault, both political and legal, from the professional Green stopniks. Even if there's jobs, how long might they last? Nobody can answer that question with any clarity. I think that long-term risk is a big deal. Who wants to work in the restaurant business now, and what happens if there's another COVID thing? Who goes first? Why go into trucking with self-driving coming fast? Why work in a factory if there's robots being ordered?

COVID shattered the mold for a lot of business models. There's already crazy risk out there, so given the choice between taking risk, and taking profit, what would YOU do?

Supply, and demand.

Inflation, "Too much money, chasing too few goods."

Hearing the same.

I've always been puzzled by the "we can't find employees " argument. You pay enough and you'll have applicants lined up around the block.

That should begin to improve. Unemployment has paid the equivalent of $40 per hour for over a year. Even ethical types have a hard time giving that up for half, or less. That may not sound like much money in some places, but it is in most of the places where things (like boards) are actually made.

Not putting it on the weed. I'm saying that companies won't hire if you piss dirty! And if you know your dirty, why bother putting in an application! Just dumb people wasting others time! And yes I know half the country smokes pot! I personally don't want to work construction type jobs with stoned or drunk people! Both have no place on the job while indulging in their crutch!

I wouldn’t want to do that type of work with stoned people.

I bet there's way more than half of construction trade workers dependent on alcohol or THC. If they cut loose after hours and show up for work on time and produce still , wgaf? Get a life if you are better than though .

Supply and demand determines price.

I need to rebuild some of my fence, not going to pay what they want for pickets and stuff right now.

Yep. The Covid Scam kept folks at home by paying big unemployment benefits.

Anyone read the article?

The asshatfrom the logging council said,
"Tariffs don't raise prices, supply and demand do."

WTF!
I hate being played, lied to by some Mf'er who thinks I'm dumb enough
to not smell the schitz he is spreading!

If tariffs don't raise prices, then why the hell does the Lumber Council
support the tariffs. Ho-Li-Puck do statements like that frost my nuts.
And the so called reporter is too stupid (or in the bag) to catch it?

The whole point is to raise Canadian prices so domestic producers
can either raise prices or sell volume at already higher prices.

And yes, I actually would normally support tariffs on the subsidized
dumping that hurts our producers. (Of anything)

But this deal here is the same type stuff as oil.
Not to start that fight, but this issues is causing damage to
a lot of our people.
If imported lumber can stabilize prices and
keep things moving, leave the tariffs low. Obviously, they aren't
producing enough to change prices by supply. This only increases
price directly, by adding cost.

I see the 'attention ho' showed up and voiced its opinion.

Nobody except the THC will stay in the system, and employers don't know if you smoked on the way to work! Pretty simple, work where they don't test! Like gubberment jobs ect! I'm just the messenger! And I don't think I'm better than anyone! I also think your head is so far up your ass you need a windowectame! Been reading your mouthy posts, you seem like the kind of guy(girl) that needs lots of attention! Now go [bleep] yourself, little Bobby!

The Dems were smart when they continued the "enhanced unemployment". It puts all employers in the situation that you mentioned. Therefore, it's another way to raise the minimum wage. It also motivates employers to urge for more immigration.

The mills in our area are long term survivors. If they pay more for new employees, they have to increase the wage scale for all employees. Then when the market turns, the new employees are laid off, with the employer paying unemployment benefits and they are yet left with the higher cost structure of having to pay more for their existing employees. So everyone sits tight.

Not like in the old days when a boom meant good times all up and down the food chain.

Anyone ever built something like a pole barn from rough cut green lumber? You might be able to get the lumber cut locally and cut out quite a bit of expense.

some of the best workers I've had smoked weed every day.

I know a guy that managed a degree in mechanical engineering that did all right in the work place.

Odds are you have. You've been in your trade a long time, likely well before testing. And there's always been the folks that "can handle their liquor" that show up to work every day with their BAC above the now regular 0.08 limit.

Word

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Apologies if this is has already been mentioned.

Current timber prices could be our new normal, at least for the next few years. The industry hasn’t had a true increase in 20 years.

Sure, there’s been some price flexing in both directions based on state side and overseas needs, but nothing that was considered a trued up price increase until now.

I live in timber country. I have several mills a few miles from my door stuffed with timber. A dude would think my price point would be lower based on proximity to the product. Hell No!

I’m spending a quarter mil in just lumber costs for two projects that are underway in the next few months. 2 years ago $125k would have gotten both done.

My rape whistle is broken from over use.

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I haven't had wood for years.

Sometimes I wake up with morning wood.

The main purpose of thinning is to improve the growing conditions for the residual stand. If your stand needs thinning, it may be best to have it done even at a low price. It's pulpwood, it's not going to go but so high. If you do nothing, it will slowly thin itself. Trees will die and you'll get nothing for them, and the rest of the stand is more susceptible to insect attacks. Plus there's a lot of wood on the ground to fuel a fire if one gets started, although I realize that's not the same level of risk that they have out west.

Here's my post from another similar thread a short while back:



"I am a forestry consultant to small landowners. Have gotten numerous calls from clients who have seen or heard about the lumber prices and wonder if it's a good time to sell timber.

Supply and demand are different in the lumber and timber markets. Can't speak to other regions of the country but in the Southeast there is a plentiful supply of timber relative to the mill capacity, for two reasons.

One, the closing down of many smaller sawmills over the years. In the 40-odd (and I do mean odd, lol) years I've been a forester, there's been a bunch of sawmills to go out of business; their production costs were just too high to compete with modern high-volume sawmills. So with fewer, albeit high volume, mills out there, any changes in the supply-demand equation have much larger repercussions than if there were more numerous sources of lumber to be had; therefore, as demand for lumber has spiked in conjunction with COVID limiting output plus other factors, higher prices for wood products are the result. In many areas, the housing market is hot for reasons that have been well documented, so even if the mills' output had not been compromised by COVID, we would have seen lumber prices go up. The good news is that more mill capacity is being added and should help bring things into a better equilibrium over the next several years. Also, I personally don't see how the housing market can stay like it is forever.

The second factor is the more intense forest management that has been evolving over the years and really decades. Shorter rotations coupled with higher yields has increased the supply of timber tremendously, even with land bases shrinking due largely to urban-suburban sprawl. (The resulting decline in wood quality is a whole 'nother story.) So, the lumber "shortage" is not due to a shortage of timber; stumpage prices have in fact been rising, but only very gradually; nothing like lumber. In fact, stumpage prices are not even back to where they were before the financial crisis of 2008.

Again, I'm only speaking of the US Southeast and I'm sure there are other factors involved that I either don't know about or have not thought of at the moment. I don't know what's going on with the Canadian lumber business or in the US Northwest, but I suspect something similar."

the real problem is = the 2020 stolen election with Biden/Harris in the Whitehouse , we need Trump back in the Whitehouse soon ! prices with these 2 idiots in the Whitehouse have let prices get out of control in less than 120 days , things were great everywhere in America when Trump was in the Whitehouse .






















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Hate to tell you this but the price of lumber has been going up since the pandemic started which happens to be before Biden was elected.

You like a big wood in the morning to slurp on

I wouldn't want to work with stoned people either. They are just as unsafe as an alcoholic.
However, the prick side of me says hire the potsies and when they get injured in a work accident you can f@ck them out of workers comp because they fail the post-accident piss test.

GFY Heym lol

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Low IQ and spelling skill

LMAO

Legal weed, paid to stay home. What’s the motivation to work?

Do you think about that sort of thing often?

................Nice try there FOOLfromTN.....Trump not responsible for covid nor for the price of anything going up.. Blame yer anti-Trump commie buds in China for covid 19......Secondly there [bleep], anytime a sitting POTUS signs executive orders which in effect declares war on the energy sector, such as the immediate halting of construction on pipelines, signing executive orders that over regulate the energy sector, you in effect raise costs to the consumer. ECON 101 DUMMY!........Transportation costs go up, the cost of raw materials go up, energy costs go up, and on down the line; aka the domino effect.....Your trump hating analogy won't fly..........Before covid19 DUMMY, every economic indicator and category under Trump was at its best in US history. How about that [bleep]!!

Now go take your Trump hating stupidity and shove it. Perhaps a little KY jelly might ease your pain.

Me either but sho says they are stoned at work. Most people know running saws and fork lifts is not safe when inebriated and don't do it. Plus pot is so easy to spot, makes people stink and anyone who doesn't smoke tobacco can smell em a long way off. I don't care what they do off shift myself. I hire people by getting them to show me what is in their pockets, a good knife that has been properly sharpened means a new hire at my shop. Another sign of responsibility is a lot of keys. If a guy won't show me what he has in his pockets he can hit the door. Shoes, a good pair of hiking boots is a good sign also.

I had two really, REALLY close calls from stoned-on-the-job. I mean, I still don't know how I wasn't killed. I was "tolerant" before, not after. I won't work with a pothead and I don't socialize with them, either. Better uses of my time.

Exactly

Do anything besides post this week! Buy the way I don't spell incorrectly, I do fat finger and don't give a f u cc k how it turns out! Slowed down enough to visit this site today! I gave a scenario of how it is, and experience! You come back with canned responses, because you, are unable resist being a dick, busy body! With nothing else to do, except entertain your miniscule life! Thinking all the time your soooo cool! Well you must excuse me, I actually how things to accomplish! This isn't getting it done!

Puff puff give [bleep]