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Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Another union post - 06/05/21

So a local hospital recently had its nurses unionize. They went SEIU.

No bullchit, this is the narrative locally on the news and on social media. “We only want competitive wages”. “The patients come first. We can’t give them the best care because we are run ragged.”

Ok, on its face it doesn’t sound bad. They think they should make more money and have a better package. I don’t think anyone would begrudge them getting together and talking to management and asking for it.

They decided to strike. Folks asked “if it’s all about the patients, how can you go on strike and leave the hospital short handed?”
They answer “we gave plenty of time and notice, the hospital is bringing plenty of outside temporary help to cover it”

So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm

Then the union truck drivers in “solidarity” with their brothers and sisters refuse to deliver the medical supplies to the hospital. So non union management drove the trucks and made the deliveries.

Thank God there are non-union folks there to pick up the slack and WORK when the POS commie fugk unionistas decide to play hardball.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Sorry ass mother fugkers.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Drive them mudderfuggers into the ocean!
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Fire em and hire new.
Posted By: mtnsnake

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

deflave shouldn't you be in Montana?
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Set up cameras and prosecute each and every law breaker. To the fullest extent!
Posted By: Dillonbuck

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.


Take the vandalism out of the equation.

Address the truckers not bringing in medical supplies.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Set up cameras and prosecute each and every law breaker. To the fullest extent!


I agree.

And fire the folks that don’t come to work.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by mtnsnake
deflave shouldn't you be in Montana?


Too cold.
Posted By: goalie

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Idiot nurses striking motivated me to leave.

I should send them a thank you letter.....
Posted By: funshooter

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Set up cameras and prosecute each and every law breaker. To the fullest extent!


I agree.

And fire the folks that don’t come to work.



Not the Nurses Union
I was working on an Private Hospital in Commyfornia as an Welding Inspector.
The Hospital was gracious enough to pay use Prevailing Wage (Union Pay)
Most of the worker were Union Only us Inspectors and Technicians were Non Union.
We are not Considered Working Labor we are Representatives of the Owner Even though we work for a Lab that has the contract for the project.
Local 12 Operating Engineers showed up to picket the job saying that it was unfair that we Inspectors were the nly ones not Union.
The Union picketers started taking pictures of everyone's vehicle licenses then they started showing up at some of our Inspectors Private Homes and Picketing their neighbors.
Well That Pissed me off so I started taking pictures of the Union Picketers and they got real pissed at me for violating their privacy.
They wanted to know why I was taking Pictures of them.
I told them that I was taking pictures of them to hand out to my neighbors and if they seen any of them in the neighborhood to let me know.
I then told them that if I seen any of them picketing my home I would consider it a Direct Threat to my family and myself and I would Shoot to kill. This was their warning to stay away from my home.
Well they said I threatened them and they called the Police.
I was called off of the Building to go talk to the Police.
When I got to the Office were the Police were waiting for me. I told the Police that I did not want to talk in private with them. What I had to say I was going to say in front of everyone. So we went down to the Union Picketers with the General Contractor.
The Union Boys 3 times my size yelled out. There is the guy that Threatened us.
The Police asked me what was going on.
So I told them how my co workers were binging harassed at there home by the Union Boys and that I took their Pictures because they were taking Pictures of my Co Workers Vehicle Licenses. Turn around is fair play.
They Union Boys started yelling at the Police Officers. He Threatened to Kill us.
The Police Officers asked me if I threatened them.
I told the Officers that I had told the Union Boys that if I seen them in front of my home that I would Consider it a Direct Threat to my family and my self.And I told the Union Boys that I wold Shoot them if they harassed my family .
The Officers started laughing and told the Union Boys that I had given them the only warning that they were going to get and that they were my Witness.
the next day the Local 12 Union was told to remove their picketers or they would be arrested.
I was called the old man on that project. No one screwed with me except the Ironworker Head man and I screwed with him. That is how we got along and made it threw the long hard days.

Unions are nothing more that the Brown Coats making money for them selves and If they can not make the money they will do anything even Illegal to force their way. Intimidation is only the first step that they try.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Good point. unions have a long history of peaceful behavior and never resorted to violence to maintain control . lol

Funny pushing the unions are a brotherhood fairy tail


Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21


that's dangerous scab talk. If unions want to kill sick elderly women and children in hospitals, it is their right.


Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.


Take the vandalism out of the equation.

Address the truckers not bringing in medical supplies.
Posted By: NVhntr

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Posted By: Dillonbuck

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by ribka
Good point. unions have a long history of peaceful behavior and never resorted to violence to maintain control . lol

Funny pushing the unions are a brotherhood fairy tail


Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.



Fairytale?
No.
Unfortunately it's only within a shop, and only in desperate times.
Nothing is as it was 100+ years ago.

I'm not a good one to debate for unions.
Personally know many of the negatives.

And its pointless when most who want to debate, aren't intelligent enough to
see weakness in their own position.
Posted By: mtnsnake

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Set up cameras and prosecute each and every law breaker. To the fullest extent!

+1
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck



Fairytale?
No.
Unfortunately it's only within a shop, and only in desperate times.
Nothing is as it was 100+ years ago.

I'm not a good one to debate for unions.
Personally know many of the negatives.

And its pointless when most who want to debate, aren't intelligent enough to
see weakness in their own position.

Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21


Not a fan of labor unions myself either but in all honesty I have seen at least as much shady stuff during contract negotiations and labor strikes from companies as I have unions. Shady stuff such as provoked confrontations, staged threats and damages to "scab" personal property as propaganda to garner favorable media and public sympathy.

Local company contracted a professional temporary employee service that provided manual labor and security employee temps for labor strikes only. They were a sorry bunch, too. They stole the company blind. They took everything they could carry that wasn't welded down. Management became so concerned they even warned office help and especially women to never tell any of the strike temps any personal info, and before they left the parking lot to always check the interior of their vehicles before entering and make sure they weren't being followed as they left work.

The Captain of the security guards was even busted for selling illegal switchblade knives to the temp workers.
Posted By: CCCC

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

There was a time, and there were situations, where unionization of workers - for reasons of safety, fairness, and reasonable security - was a very good practice. Primarily through their own behaviors, the labor unions turned that sensible practice into a big negative. Double the trouble in the case of public employee unions.
Posted By: ironbender

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck

Fairytale?
No.
Unfortunately it's only within a shop, and only in desperate times.
Nothing is as it was 100+ years ago.

I'm not a good one to debate for unions.
Personally know many of the negatives.

And its pointless when most who want to debate, aren't intelligent enough to
see weakness in their own position.



Catchy tune.
Posted By: gsganzer

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Although belonging to a union is not for me, I have no problem with a union if it's members prefer an average wage, rather than earn a wage based on each of their own merits, work ethic and skills.

It's when unionization becomes a form of labor extortion that I have the issue. Look at most of your public sector unions and you'll see a prime example. Most cities could declare bankruptcy due to the pension liabilities they accumulated in efforts to appease the unions every time they threatened to strike.
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21


Personal observation, ...there are countless nonunion companies nationwide that for some reason their employees aren't interested in voting for union representation.

When employees of a company do show serious interest in voting for labor union representation maybe that company needs to take a real hard serious look inward as to why...


As always, YMMV...
Posted By: jackmountain

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Unions became a lucrative, powerful business and stopped giving a damn about people, only money.
Same as the big corporations they were formed to fight.

Public sector unions should never have been allowed.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

A unionized nurse sounds like the worst thing on planet earth.

Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by deflave
A unionized nurse sounds like the worst thing on planet earth.



What makes a unionized nurse worse than a unionized policeman or fireman?
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave
A unionized nurse sounds like the worst thing on planet earth.



What makes a unionized nurse worse than a unionized policeman or fireman?


About three thousandth of an inch.
Posted By: kwg020

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.

You can if State law covers it. We did it at our PD for a number of years. What killed our Union is we could not find a lawyer that wanted to advise us and help in negotiating. We didn't pay enough for a lawyer to want the job. In the end, we were just too small of a union unless we really raised our dues to get an attorney interested.

kwg
Posted By: Armednfree

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

And you think it's about the patients to the corporate hospital?
Posted By: ltppowell

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Fire em and hire new.


That's exactly right. If they can't be replaced for the same money...they ain't paid enough. Pretty simple.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Man, it's a crazy world. Not sure of the time period, maybe a few months ago-maybe less, these same people were God fearing, non-Union, tax paying pillars of the community. Now look what they have become, over night.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Drive them mudderfuggers into the ocean!



Those nurses need the same Union the Farmers got, and they don't even have to pay Dues.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...-farmers-income-in-2020-usda-01609444429

https://www.wpr.org/more-40-percent-2020-farm-income-projected-come-federal-payments

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
Posted By: Dillonbuck

Re: Another union post - 06/05/21

Joken2, ever work for a big anti union outfit?
They have the brainwashing/threats down pat.

I laugh at people on both sides of this topic, both sides have
skeletons the size of Blue Whales and lie like hell.

Union BS is infamous. They run the same trite lines all the time.

So do companies.

"Unions just want part of your pay. (In a way, mostly)
You don't want a union between us and you. It's better if we
can just sit down and talk.
If a union comes in, we will (they might say, might) close."

All company lines. All sorta true. All designed to get a no vote.
Just like Dem talking points, always used. Even when not true.


A current coworker showed me a slick video made about his former
employer. It showed the facilities and the employees. Told how dam
great the employees were. "The best in the world."

After I saw it, I ask "Was there a union push then"?

Of course there was.

It failed.

About 2 years later, they closed.
Went to Mexico.
Left "The best employees in the world" out of work.
Posted By: Borchardt

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Ah, the Amalgamated Brotherhood of Federated Fuuck Offs, ABFFO, for short.
Posted By: hanco

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I’ve been a union plumber for almost 50 years, we have gone on strike a few times. It never did much good. Striking nurses, I don’t agree with that.
Posted By: jackmountain

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Our local was sold to a corporation. They’ve pretty much destroyed the quality of care and ran off every single good MD in every department. Most departments anywhere between 75%-100% of the doctors on staff have left. Anyone with any sense drives an hour East or North where there’s still good care.

The Magic Negroes lasting legacy. POS should get cancer of the Chunt and die painfully slow.
Posted By: CCCC

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by hanco
I’ve been a union plumber for almost 50 years, we have gone on strike a few times. It never did much good. Striking nurses, I don’t agree with that.
Your disagreement with striking nurses is understandable - but you can join the "disagree" line with zillions of other folks who don't like strikes by unions in other fields. Seems like such public disagreement makes no difference across the board. Some of the striking union folks disagree with their own strikes - but they join the strike.. There is a theme in all of this.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by hanco
I’ve been a union plumber for almost 50 years, we have gone on strike a few times. It never did much good. Striking nurses, I don’t agree with that.
Your disagreement with striking nurses is understandable - but you can join the "disagree" line with zillions of other folks who don't like strikes by unions in other fields. Seems like such public disagreement makes no difference across the board. Some of the striking union folks disagree with their own strikes - but they join the strike.. There is a theme in all of this.


Are you a union guy?
Posted By: plainsman456

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Worked at a company that made sub sea platforms.

The plant i worked was non union the others weren't.

Union x2 tried to get us to vote them in.
Sat in a lot of meetings from both and what the union folks had done in other plants was shameful.

Needless to say the boiler makers and pipefitter unions did not get into that shop.

It was in a right to work state.
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Unions are nothing more than Legalized Extortion.

They were started by Organized Crime and they are still run by Organized Crime.
Posted By: Stormin_Norman

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

The vandalism to random cars at the hospital should tell you all you need to know about the nurses union. It's a messy business, the only one who benefits in the end is the union bosses and the Democratic party.
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I often wonder why no one can form a self contained union.
Essentially what you suggest, getting together and presenting
a united front. Unions are about a "brotherhood" of workers in
a similar situation, being united for strength.


That would be about the best situation possible.
Keeping the thugs at bay.

Who in their right mind would start vandalizing stuff in today's
anti-union climate?
Either it's some one very out of touch.
Someone who did it for goggles or just to stir the pot. Third party?
Or, unlikely? Someone trying to discredit the union?

Just seems weird, especially this early in the process.

You aren't in 1960's Chitcago.


Some companies do have in-house unions, most of which are known as Federations unaffiliated with building trades or afl-cio representation.
Posted By: CCCC

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by hanco
I’ve been a union plumber for almost 50 years, we have gone on strike a few times. It never did much good. Striking nurses, I don’t agree with that.
Your disagreement with striking nurses is understandable - but you can join the "disagree" line with zillions of other folks who don't like strikes by unions in other fields. Seems like such public disagreement makes no difference across the board. Some of the striking union folks disagree with their own strikes - but they join the strike.. There is a theme in all of this.
Are you a union guy?
You might say that I am - or have been - a dues-paying card-carrying member of three AFL/CIO unions.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


just another brain dead union zombie.

enjoy your cult and thanks for your filthy union dues bringing communism to the US.

Chukky approves

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Joken2, ever work for a big anti union outfit?
They have the brainwashing/threats down pat.

I laugh at people on both sides of this topic, both sides have
skeletons the size of Blue Whales and lie like hell.

Union BS is infamous. They run the same trite lines all the time.

So do companies.

"Unions just want part of your pay. (In a way, mostly)
You don't want a union between us and you. It's better if we
can just sit down and talk.
If a union comes in, we will (they might say, might) close."

All company lines. All sorta true. All designed to get a no vote.
Just like Dem talking points, always used. Even when not true.


A current coworker showed me a slick video made about his former
employer. It showed the facilities and the employees. Told how dam
great the employees were. "The best in the world."

After I saw it, I ask "Was there a union push then"?

Of course there was.

It failed.

About 2 years later, they closed.
Went to Mexico.
Left "The best employees in the world" out of work.
Posted By: Dillonbuck

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Brain dead zombie?

You are an idiot.

Forget you preconceived ideas.

Read and comprehend my posts.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The vandalism to random cars at the hospital should tell you all you need to know about the nurses union. It's a messy business, the only one who benefits in the end is the union bosses and the Democratic party.
How do we know that it wasn't anti-union thugs trying to discredit the nurses? Doesn't sound like nurse behavior to me. Hitler blamed the Reichstag fire on the Commies.
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Some companies do have in-house unions, most of which are known as Federations unaffiliated with building trades or afl-cio representation.
Those kind s of unions usually end up being the ladies auxiliary club for management rather than watching out for workers interests.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Unions are nothing more than Legalized Extortion.
They were started by Organized Crime and they are still run by Organized Crime.
No, they were started by badly abused WORKING people and were infiltrated by organized crime as a counter balance to anti-union violence. The violent Pinkerton detectives weren't to be dissuaded by appeals to their sense of justice.
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
So a local hospital recently had its nurses unionize. They went SEIU.

No bullchit, this is the narrative locally on the news and on social media. “We only want competitive wages”. “The patients come first. We can’t give them the best care because we are run ragged.”

Ok, on its face it doesn’t sound bad. They think they should make more money and have a better package. I don’t think anyone would begrudge them getting together and talking to management and asking for it.

They decided to strike. Folks asked “if it’s all about the patients, how can you go on strike and leave the hospital short handed?”
They answer “we gave plenty of time and notice, the hospital is bringing plenty of outside temporary help to cover it”

So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm

Then the union truck drivers in “solidarity” with their brothers and sisters refuse to deliver the medical supplies to the hospital. So non union management drove the trucks and made the deliveries.

Thank God there are non-union folks there to pick up the slack and WORK when the POS commie fugk unionistas decide to play hardball.




Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.
Better watch out, you'll be labeled a communist. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave unless the free and brave tradesmen happen to get together in an organization and set a price on their work.
Posted By: mathman

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

No wonder concrete is so expensive. grin
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.
Better watch out, you'll be labeled a communist. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave unless the free and brave tradesmen happen to get together in an organization and set a price on their work.



Well I've been hearing about it around here for years, but the bottom line was better pay, better benefits, early retirement and retirement healthcare. Your non-union driver in CA will not receive an early pension no matter how many years worked, and without a retiree health plan, will not be able to afford to buy a health plan until he is 65.
When I turn 65, my retiree health turns into a Medicare supplement, where others will need to purchase a supplement and dental and vision.

Ya, I hate the union leadership advocates for democrats and sends the democrats money, but maybe if the republicans wouldn't spend so much time union busting or fighting against worker rights, it could be different.
I'm a staunch conservative, but I'm not about to walk away from early retirement and retiree health..so everyone can have at it, but I'm glad I joined the union 33 years ago.
Posted By: jimy

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Quote

Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.


Well if that's all you think you're worth, congratulations, enjoy ! I just don't understand why any good man, would limit himself, to what the very worst people in your field earn, I was brought up to do better.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.
Better watch out, you'll be labeled a communist. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave unless the free and brave tradesmen happen to get together in an organization and set a price on their work.



Well I've been hearing about it around here for years, but the bottom line was better pay, better benefits, early retirement and retirement healthcare. Your non-union driver in CA will not receive an early pension no matter how many years worked, and without a retiree health plan, will not be able to afford to buy a health plan until he is 65.
When I turn 65, my retiree health turns into a Medicare supplement, where others will need to purchase a supplement and dental and vision.

Ya, I hate the union leadership advocates for democrats and sends the democrats money, but maybe if the republicans wouldn't spend so much time union busting or fighting against worker rights, it could be different.
I'm a staunch conservative, but I'm not about to walk away from early retirement and retiree health..so everyone can have at it, but I'm glad I joined the union 33 years ago.


Union busting?

Where has there been an effort of union busting?
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
So a local hospital recently had its nurses unionize. They went SEIU.

No bullchit, this is the narrative locally on the news and on social media. “We only want competitive wages”. “The patients come first. We can’t give them the best care because we are run ragged.”

Ok, on its face it doesn’t sound bad. They think they should make more money and have a better package. I don’t think anyone would begrudge them getting together and talking to management and asking for it.

They decided to strike. Folks asked “if it’s all about the patients, how can you go on strike and leave the hospital short handed?”
They answer “we gave plenty of time and notice, the hospital is bringing plenty of outside temporary help to cover it”

So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm

Then the union truck drivers in “solidarity” with their brothers and sisters refuse to deliver the medical supplies to the hospital. So non union management drove the trucks and made the deliveries.

Thank God there are non-union folks there to pick up the slack and WORK when the POS commie fugk unionistas decide to play hardball.




Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.

And when you die, the Union keeps all the money you paid into your retirement pension and all the interest it generated. Find a 401K , IRA, or similar personal or company based retirement account that keeps all your money when you die. If a company such as Morgan Stanley invested your money for 30 years, and kept it after you died they would be in prison in a heart beat.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by hanco
I’ve been a union plumber for almost 50 years, we have gone on strike a few times. It never did much good. Striking nurses, I don’t agree with that.
Your disagreement with striking nurses is understandable - but you can join the "disagree" line with zillions of other folks who don't like strikes by unions in other fields. Seems like such public disagreement makes no difference across the board. Some of the striking union folks disagree with their own strikes - but they join the strike.. There is a theme in all of this.
Are you a union guy?
You might say that I am - or have been - a dues-paying card-carrying member of three AFL/CIO unions.


Are those teacher unions?
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave

Union busting?

Where has there been an effort of union busting?



You strictly referencing Barkoff's comment or in general?
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave

Union busting?

Where has there been an effort of union busting?



You strictly referencing Barkoff's comment or in general?


In general.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave

Union busting?

Where has there been an effort of union busting?



You strictly referencing Barkoff's comment or in general?


In general.




It happens every day. Bessemer was clearly the largest effort, by Amazon, recently. Kumho gave it a hell of a shot not long ago. Anyone can search Office of Labor Management Standards and look up LM-20/21 consultant records and see which companies are hiring these law firms to break down union efforts.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Amazon pays 10k/day to Obstruct Union

Amazon waged brutal anti-union campaign.


https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1357796064670212098

Etc etc etc
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I'm talking about politicians that run on the platform of union busting.

If amazon didn't resist the forming of unions they'd be stupid.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
I'm talking about politicians that run on the platform of union busting.

If amazon didn't resist the forming of unions they'd be stupid.


Thats why I asked if your question was specific to Barkoff's comment. If you would have stated strictly politicians id point out that not many politicians are very vocal when it comes to "union busting", career breaker. Not to mention going on record that you seek to intentionally break certain laws. You can certainly look up politicians voting records over the years and find who has been for/against labor bills....and youd be surprised who has been bought and paid for, on both sides of the aisle.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave
I'm talking about politicians that run on the platform of union busting.

If amazon didn't resist the forming of unions they'd be stupid.


Thats why I asked if your question was specific to Barkoff's comment. If you would have stated strictly politicians id point out that not many politicians are very vocal when it comes to "union busting", career breaker. Not to mention going on record that you seek to intentionally break certain laws. You can certainly look up politicians voting records over the years and find who has been for/against labor bills....and youd be surprised who has been bought and paid for, on both sides of the aisle.


Gotcha.

In hindsight I guess I was speaking to Jerkoff's specific comment. LOL

I was thinking more regional/geographic when you asked.
Posted By: gsganzer

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
So a local hospital recently had its nurses unionize. They went SEIU.

No bullchit, this is the narrative locally on the news and on social media. “We only want competitive wages”. “The patients come first. We can’t give them the best care because we are run ragged.”

Ok, on its face it doesn’t sound bad. They think they should make more money and have a better package. I don’t think anyone would begrudge them getting together and talking to management and asking for it.

They decided to strike. Folks asked “if it’s all about the patients, how can you go on strike and leave the hospital short handed?”
They answer “we gave plenty of time and notice, the hospital is bringing plenty of outside temporary help to cover it”

So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm

Then the union truck drivers in “solidarity” with their brothers and sisters refuse to deliver the medical supplies to the hospital. So non union management drove the trucks and made the deliveries.

Thank God there are non-union folks there to pick up the slack and WORK when the POS commie fugk unionistas decide to play hardball.




Ya well, this unionista just retired last week at 61 with a pension and retiree healthcare, find me a non-union redimix driver with the same.

And when you die, the Union keeps all the money you paid into your retirement pension and all the interest it generated. Find a 401K , IRA, or similar personal or company based retirement account that keeps all your money when you die. If a company such as Morgan Stanley invested your money for 30 years, and kept it after you died they would be in prison in a heart beat.


I don't have an issue with unions, unless the union is using their power as labor extortion against the company. I do remember talking with a union guy years ago about his pension/retirement fund and coming to the conclusion he was getting royally screwed. He certainly would have been better off creating his own 401K and rolling money into it. However, the difference is that with the union retirement, he didn't have to think or do anything himself, similar to social security. Social security is always there, regardless of all the bad life choices you make.
Posted By: WMR

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Private sector unions? Why not? If a group of workers want to bargain collectively, more power to ‘em. If they’re skilled, it’s just good business. They shouldn’t complain when management tries to replace them. That’s just good business, too. Each side is free to agree to any contract they choose. Strikers got no right to threaten the replacements. That nonsense needs to be squashed.

Public sector unions? Forget it. The folks paying the tab (taxpayers) don’t even have a seat at the bargaining table.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Abused workers....that is funny.


What are ya? Indentured servants?
Posted By: Armednfree

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

What is a corporation? A group of people who come together to act in their mutual self interest. They are legally considered a person.

What is a union? A group of people who come together to act in their mutual self interest.


Can't see the difference.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by ribka

just another brain dead union zombie.

enjoy your cult and thanks for your filthy union dues bringing communism to the US.

Chukky approves

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Joken2, ever work for a big anti union outfit?
They have the brainwashing/threats down pat.

I laugh at people on both sides of this topic, both sides have
skeletons the size of Blue Whales and lie like hell.

Union BS is infamous. They run the same trite lines all the time.

So do companies.

"Unions just want part of your pay. (In a way, mostly)
You don't want a union between us and you. It's better if we
can just sit down and talk.
If a union comes in, we will (they might say, might) close."

All company lines. All sorta true. All designed to get a no vote.
Just like Dem talking points, always used. Even when not true.


A current coworker showed me a slick video made about his former
employer. It showed the facilities and the employees. Told how dam
great the employees were. "The best in the world."

After I saw it, I ask "Was there a union push then"?

Of course there was.

It failed.

About 2 years later, they closed.
Went to Mexico.
Left "The best employees in the world" out of work.


Point to the place on your doll were the mean Union man touched you, you Trans gender freak.
wink
Posted By: Coyotejunki

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Unions are pretty much small gov'ts. Unions take dues, gov'ts take taxes. Sometimes you get elected officials you hate, like Biden /Harris, Shuler, Pelosi, AOC, etc...I am not quitting my country because I have $hitty elected officials

quote, "And when you die, the Union keeps all the money you paid into your retirement pension and all the interest it generated. Find a 401K , IRA, or similar personal or company based retirement account that keeps all your money when you die. If a company such as Morgan Stanley invested your money for 30 years, and kept it after you died they would be in prison in a heart beat."

I guess just like social security?

Someone I know was in a construction union and there is a death benefit of about $200,000 if he dies before he retires. If he dies after retirement, 200000 minus what he has collected from his pension. He does have a 401K and IRA's also. He did retire at 59 and gets his pension plus medical.
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


Pretty simple, really...

Nowadays, as long as they treat employees respectfully, fairly and equally, pay fair wages and benefits and provide as safe as practical working environment, there's not any reason for an employer to ever be concerned with employees voting for labor union representation.

There are countless nonunion examples as proof...
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Armednfree
What is a corporation? A group of people who come together to act in their mutual self interest. They are legally considered a person.

What is a union? A group of people who come together to act in their mutual self interest.


Can't see the difference.


Ummm, the corporation provides the livelihood for all the people in the union. The corporation provides wealth, jobs, and expansion. The corporation invests its own money and takes great risk to do these things.

Unions are the parasites that affix themselves.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2

Pretty simple, really...

Nowadays, as long as they treat employees respectfully, fairly and equally, pay fair wages and benefits and provide as safe as practical working environment, there's not any reason for an employer to ever be concerned with employees voting for labor union representation.

There are countless nonunion examples as proof...





Yeah.

We’ll see if the hospital cited in the OP provides better service to its users.

I’ll wager it will be the customer that suffers.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I bet price fixing and rent control are popular with the union boys.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

So to recap,

The proud unionistas here are ok with nurses striking (so long as other nurses are brought in to do the work they refuse to) and are ok with the truck drivers refusing to deliver medical supplies (so long as there are other folks willing to do the work they refuse to).

We’re not talking about Home Depot not getting a delivery of lawn mowers.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

[bleep] your unions.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.



They had to publicly say that. Otherwise the whole “standard of care” lie wouldn’t pass anyone’s sniff test.
Posted By: Dillonbuck

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

In my experience pay or unions don't dictate the how the employee works.
It's a personal thing, and the leadership of management that's key.
Have used hospitals that are union and not.
In the same big system, but different towns.
Care seems to be the same.
Pay to the staff isn't.
How management and staff interact isn't either.
The union staff aren't as happy. (Or else they are just free to say that)
But from the patient view it looks the same.
I only know the difference do to chatting up the staff, and knowing
some personally.


Have heard the stories of union protections,that are bizarre haven't experienced it in my time. But things chang and im not that old.


Lot of guys in my plant have deserved discipline.
Mostly never happens.
Not because the union blocked it. Or got it reversed.
But management simply doesn't manage.
Last several years, they have fired 3 or 4.
Ironically, I've been pissed when it happened.
Some of the issues weren't really at termination level.
Some weren't handled correctly.
In every case, those guys leaving was a good thing. They werent good workers.

But, again, management didn't do their job. Nor did the union.
Every time this happens, the protection for an innocent worker is weakened.
And that's what it's about.

Notice, I'm not defending these people.
Simply the process of giving warnings, the steps required.
And ours are boilerplate.

Verbal, written, 3 days off, termination.
With a list of more serious infractions that skip steps
or go straight to termination.
The same as most non union places.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Dillonbuck you are one of the very few level headed union guys on here.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

That ain't no schit Gruff.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

The union shop over west is a schit show.

The union bosses and brown nosers got together with the company men to screw the union workers.


Who would have thought?
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.


It’s a fugking lie.

They’d rather get pics of bodies stacking like cordwood so they could elevate their hero status.

Entitled kgunts.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.


It’s a fugking lie.

They’d rather get pics of bodies stacking like cordwood so they could elevate their hero status.

Entitled kgunts.


Sound like Covtards.
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.



They had to publicly say that. Otherwise the whole “standard of care” lie wouldn’t pass anyone’s sniff test.

Good Point
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by joken2

Pretty simple, really...

Nowadays, as long as they treat employees respectfully, fairly and equally, pay fair wages and benefits and provide as safe as practical working environment, there's not any reason for an employer to ever be concerned with employees voting for labor union representation.

There are countless nonunion examples as proof...





Yeah.

We’ll see if the hospital cited in the OP provides better service to its users.

I’ll wager it will be the customer that suffers.



My first and likely most sensible people's first move would be to use a different hospital...

Hospital administrations can be no different than any other employer when it comes to in-house politics, manufacturing propaganda and have a standard 'place blame elsewhere' CYA response mode.
Posted By: AJ300MAG

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2


My first and likely most sensible people's first move would be to use a different hospital...

Hospital administrations can be no different than any other employer when it comes to in-house politics, manufacturing propaganda and have a standard 'place blame elsewhere' CYA response mode.


Funny thing is, when the middle management who did the administrators bidding by coercing the nurses to not organize into a union will find themselves out of a job. And 6~9 months afterwards the scabs (temp nurses) will be questioning themselves what the fūck did I get myself into. 🤣
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.


It’s a fugking lie.

They’d rather get pics of bodies stacking like cordwood so they could elevate their hero status.

Entitled kgunts.


Sound like Covtards.


They are COVTARDS.

Guaranteed.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2


My first and likely most sensible people's first move would be to use a different hospital...




You just demonstrated how much you know about Montana.
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by joken2


My first and likely most sensible people's first move would be to use a different hospital...




You just demonstrated how much you know about Montana.



The word "sensible" is key...
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.
Posted By: viking

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Screw unions, they helped destroy the country’s economy for the sake of theirs early retirements and benefits.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by joken2


My first and likely most sensible people's first move would be to use a different hospital...




You just demonstrated how much you know about Montana.



The word "sensible" is key...






You’re demonstrating (again) how much you understand the OP.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.


LOL
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by viking
Screw unions, they helped destroy the country’s economy for the sake of theirs early retirements and benefits.


Ur jus jelly.
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

All unions and locals do not run their business the same. I am retired from Local 798 and we have a no work stoppage clause in our contract. If there is a grievance it goes first to the WF, if not settled then the steward, if still not settled or goes to the BA and if can't get it settled then it goes to arbitration. We are required by our union to be productive 💯% of the time at work.
We have a retirement as well as medical and life insurance also a 401K


Labor and management should work as partners since each needs the other and that is exactly how 798 works



Posted By: viking

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

How does competitive wages solve nurse/patient ratios?
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by jwp475
All unions and locals do not run their business the same. I am retired from Local 798 and we have a no work stoppage clause in our contract. If there is a grievance it goes first to the WF, if not settled then the steward, if still not settled or goes to the BA and if can't get it settled then it goes to arbitration. We are required by our union to be productive 💯% of the time at work.
We have a retirement as well as medical and life insurance also a 401K


Labor and management should work as partners since each needs the other and that is exactly how 798 works





Have you ever used a MIG welder?
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.


Montana hospitals

Quote

There are 55 hospitals and primary care medical facilities in Montana. Combined, these Montanan hospitals employ 31,414 people, earn more than $5 billion in revenue each year, and have assets of $7 billion.



Montana Population

Quote

The population of Montana in 2020 was 1,080,577



Kentucky Hospitals

Quote

Kentucky state total 130 hospitals...



Kentucky Population


Quote

The population of Kentucky in 2020 was 4,477,251,

Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by viking
How does competitive wages solve nurse/patient ratios?


Look bro...

The good nurses in good hospitals make a lot of money.

The schittty nurses in schit hospitals should make same.

Always look for the union label.
Posted By: NH K9

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.


Montana hospitals

Quote

There are 55 hospitals and primary care medical facilities in Montana. Combined, these Montanan hospitals employ 31,414 people, earn more than $5 billion in revenue each year, and have assets of $7 billion.



Montana Population

Quote

The population of Montana in 2020 was 1,080,577



Kentucky Hospitals

Quote

Kentucky state total 130 hospitals...



Kentucky Population


Quote

The population of Kentucky in 2020 was 4,477,251,










Kentucky: 39, 486 square miles
Montana: 137, 039 square miles
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.


Montana hospitals

Quote

There are 55 hospitals and primary care medical facilities in Montana. Combined, these Montanan hospitals employ 31,414 people, earn more than $5 billion in revenue each year, and have assets of $7 billion.



Montana Population

Quote

The population of Montana in 2020 was 1,080,577



Kentucky Hospitals

Quote

Kentucky state total 130 hospitals...



Kentucky Population


Quote

The population of Kentucky in 2020 was 4,477,251,











LOL

Quit while you’re not ahead, dumb ass.
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by jwp475
All unions and locals do not run their business the same. I am retired from Local 798 and we have a no work stoppage clause in our contract. If there is a grievance it goes first to the WF, if not settled then the steward, if still not settled or goes to the BA and if can't get it settled then it goes to arbitration. We are required by our union to be productive 💯% of the time at work.
We have a retirement as well as medical and life insurance also a 401K


Labor and management should work as partners since each needs the other and that is exactly how 798 works





Have you ever used a MIG welder?


Yes, as well as many other types of welders, that has been my profession for 50 years
Posted By: viking

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Hospitals haven’t been able to import nurses from the Peens lately.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by jwp475


Yes, as well as many other types of welders, that has been my profession for 50 years





It was a joke, John.

LOL
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by jwp475


Yes, as well as many other types of welders, that has been my profession for 50 years





It was a joke, John.

LOL


My reply wasn't for you, it was for the others
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I know buddy.

Hope you’re having a good Sunday.
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
I know buddy.

Hope you’re having a good Sunday.



Same to you
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


He obviously has never been to Montana

Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.


Montana hospitals

Quote

There are 55 hospitals and primary care medical facilities in Montana. Combined, these Montanan hospitals employ 31,414 people, earn more than $5 billion in revenue each year, and have assets of $7 billion.



Montana Population

Quote

The population of Montana in 2020 was 1,080,577



Kentucky Hospitals

Quote

Kentucky state total 130 hospitals...



Kentucky Population


Quote

The population of Kentucky in 2020 was 4,477,251,










Kentucky: 39, 486 square miles
Montana: 137, 039 square miles
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

And nobody has decried the teamster angle.

I love it when retards try to google up stats they don’t understand.

KY is a beautiful state. And you represent her well unfortunately
Posted By: Dillonbuck

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Well, like ribka stated.
He don't understand the rural west.

Guys at work want to visit the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone....
Always want to fly, rent a car.
Pisses me off. They think driving is a waste of time, nothing too see.
Idiots. Every place has things to see. Every Amerrican should see our country
coast to coast, border to border, at least once.

People have no idea what's out there. Just how big the country is.
How you need a dam good day to drive across Montana.


Irish guy I know drove truck here.
Went home for awhile, and got into several actual fights in a pub
concerning driving in the US.

He was called a liar when he spoke of driving for days to cross the country.
In a country the size of Pa. They didn't understand.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by viking
Hospitals haven’t been able to import nurses from the Peens lately.


The town over east is hiring teachers from the 'peens.
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21


No, I haven't... Flew over it many years ago but never stepped foot on Montana soil.

Still a simple solution, though, regardless of square miles....

Same solution applies as typically advised here at not being treated and paid fairly by an employer--- Move on somewhere else...

Originally Posted by ribka

He obviously has never been to Montana

Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are just covered up with hospitals.


Probably some beds available at IHS in Browning.


Montana hospitals

Quote

There are 55 hospitals and primary care medical facilities in Montana. Combined, these Montanan hospitals employ 31,414 people, earn more than $5 billion in revenue each year, and have assets of $7 billion.



Montana Population

Quote

The population of Montana in 2020 was 1,080,577



Kentucky Hospitals

Quote

Kentucky state total 130 hospitals...



Kentucky Population


Quote

The population of Kentucky in 2020 was 4,477,251,










Kentucky: 39, 486 square miles
Montana: 137, 039 square miles

Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Nice recovery. Lol.

How about “sorry guys guess I failed take some things into account in my analysis “
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Nice recovery. Lol.

How about “sorry guys guess I failed take some things into account in my analysis “


like comparing Belgium to the US. no clue
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

So, just to catch up....this is Logan Health your speaking of???
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by joken2

No, I haven't... Flew over it many years ago but never stepped foot on Montana soil.

Still a simple solution, though, regardless of square miles....

Same solution applies as typically advised here at not being treated and paid fairly by an employer--- Move on somewhere else...



You’re killing it.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

They decided to strike. Folks asked “if it’s all about the patients, how can you go on strike and leave the hospital short handed?”
They answer “we gave plenty of time and notice, the hospital is bringing plenty of outside temporary help to cover it”



Logan Health Comment:

"The hospital says they’re more than prepared to take care of their patients during the strike.

“More than 150 nurses have generously offered to work during the strike to take care of our valued patients. Further, more than 100 nurses who were scheduled to work on the days of the strike have committed to fulfilling their shifts, and many more, who were not scheduled, have volunteered to work. We thank them for their commitment to their community, their patients, and their fellow caregivers. Also, we are profoundly honored that former employees have offered to come back and join their caregiver family. Our nurse leaders will also return to the bedside to care for patients and several physicians and nurse practitioners have volunteered to assist with nursing duties,” a spokesperson said."


Seems like some of the nurses, even though on strike, are forgoing their strike obligation to make sure the patients do indeed come first. Hmmm!





Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm

Then the union truck drivers in “solidarity” with their brothers and sisters refuse to deliver the medical supplies to the hospital. So non union management drove the trucks and made the deliveries.

Thank God there are non-union folks there to pick up the slack and WORK when the POS commie fugk unionistas decide to play hardball.




I couldnt find any articles pointing to the vandalism.....could you help me out there?

And the union truck drivers.....which union/local/company? Id like to look at this further...couldnt find an article on either trucking company "striking" Logan Health nor could I find any statements from Logan Health about supply issues.....any articles there please?
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I’m sure it’ll be on Fox News tomorrow. wink
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

dirty non union scabs are going to care for patients? I imagine the quality of care will plummet without the unions and people WILL die!


Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

They decided to strike. Folks asked “if it’s all about the patients, how can you go on strike and leave the hospital short handed?”
They answer “we gave plenty of time and notice, the hospital is bringing plenty of outside temporary help to cover it”



Logan Health Comment:

"The hospital says they’re more than prepared to take care of their patients during the strike.

“More than 150 nurses have generously offered to work during the strike to take care of our valued patients. Further, more than 100 nurses who were scheduled to work on the days of the strike have committed to fulfilling their shifts, and many more, who were not scheduled, have volunteered to work. We thank them for their commitment to their community, their patients, and their fellow caregivers. Also, we are profoundly honored that former employees have offered to come back and join their caregiver family. Our nurse leaders will also return to the bedside to care for patients and several physicians and nurse practitioners have volunteered to assist with nursing duties,” a spokesperson said."


Seems like some of the nurses, even though on strike, are forgoing their strike obligation to make sure the patients do indeed come first. Hmmm!





Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm

Then the union truck drivers in “solidarity” with their brothers and sisters refuse to deliver the medical supplies to the hospital. So non union management drove the trucks and made the deliveries.

Thank God there are non-union folks there to pick up the slack and WORK when the POS commie fugk unionistas decide to play hardball.




I couldnt find any articles pointing to the vandalism.....could you help me out there?

And the union truck drivers.....which union/local/company? Id like to look at this further...couldnt find an article on either trucking company "striking" Logan Health nor could I find any statements from Logan Health about supply issues.....any articles there please?
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Does look like some in-fighting amongst the nurses themselves...some must be union, others not.....

"A group that goes by Nurses and Community Unite says they’re filing for a decertification election with NLRB to cut ties with SEIU.

“Not only has the SEIU failed to get a contract, they have created a hostile and divisive work environment,” Logan Health RN Shelly Olbert said in a press release."


"
Fogleman(union RN) said the group petitioning for a decertification doesn’t impact union members and called it a distraction.

“Our coworkers, our community, we have so many people behind us -- our strength is in our numbers,” she said."


Looks like theyve been at negotiations for 19 months with not much headway. 19 months may seem like a long time, but I myself have worked "under the existing contract" for just short of 36 months before. Just the little bit ive managed to dig up, I say they jumped the gun with a strike. And personally, im no fan of SEIU.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by ribka
dirty non union scabs are going to care for patients? I imagine the quality of care will plummet without the unions and people WILL die!


You are an idiot. Some of the union nurses are hanging back and taking care of patients. According to Logan Health "We thank them for their commitment to their community, their patients, and their fellow caregivers."
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

The nurses are/were divided as to whether or not to unionize.

After going SEIU it is not looking good to a lot of locals who would have otherwise supported them.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I’m sure it’ll be on Fox News tomorrow. wink


I hope its somewhere, because so far 5 days worth of local reporting hasnt commented on any vandalism or medical supply shortages at Logan Health.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

The local news sources in Montana are some of the most corrupt and sorry sonsabitches you can find. If they support the unions you won’t hear anything negative about the union.
Posted By: hardway

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Campfire......”Yeah, Unions suck azz”.

Next Campfire thread..... “Credit Unions are the best”

Love the irony around this joint. LOL.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I’m sure it’ll be on Fox News tomorrow. wink


I hope its somewhere, because so far 5 days worth of local reporting hasnt commented on any vandalism or medical supply shortages at Logan Health.


Why would there be any shortages when the managers made the deliveries? Did you read what I read before posting?

One of my very close friend’s mother is in a position to know what is going on in the hospital. The pro union nurses have been bragging about the teamster issue on local FB page.

But I’m sure from where you sit in PA you are in a far more knowledgeable position to comment.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
The local news sources in Montana are some of the most corrupt and sorry sonsabitches you can find. If they support the unions you won’t hear anything negative about the union.



Thats all over the US honestly. Here in south central PA you get a couple gunshot stories...maybe a Amish buggy hit by some retard txting and driving...but its mostly USA Today BS with the local station branding. Hearst, Sinclair....commie news sources.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I’m sure it’ll be on Fox News tomorrow. wink


I hope its somewhere, because so far 5 days worth of local reporting hasnt commented on any vandalism or medical supply shortages at Logan Health.


Why would there be any shortages when the managers made the deliveries? Did you read what I read before posting?

One of my very close friend’s mother is in a position to know what is going on in the hospital. The pro union nurses have been bragging about the teamster issue on local FB page.

But I’m sure from where you sit in PA you are in a far more knowledgeable position to comment.




Look im just trying to be more knowledgeable here from my easy chair in PA. You hate fückin unions, I get it. Im USW and I hate a lot of union activity also. But this isnt the first time someone came on here with anti union BS full of lies and half truths. If we're gonna sit here and back and forth I wanna know wtf im talkin about. And you sure as hell didnt give half the info I found in 30 secs of googling.

I could very well be on your side here. How bout ya throw me the facebook link so I can once over the GD thing while I sit on the schitter at least?
Posted By: CCCC

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by hanco
I’ve been a union plumber for almost 50 years, we have gone on strike a few times. It never did much good. Striking nurses, I don’t agree with that.
Your disagreement with striking nurses is understandable - but you can join the "disagree" line with zillions of other folks who don't like strikes by unions in other fields. Seems like such public disagreement makes no difference across the board. Some of the striking union folks disagree with their own strikes - but they join the strike.. There is a theme in all of this.
Are you a union guy?
You might say that I am - or have been - a dues-paying card-carrying member of three AFL/CIO unions.
Are those teacher unions?

Somehow, you already knew the answer, but ABSOLUTELY NOT ! By and large, teacher unions are a destructive response to a non-problem. TMK there.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by hardway
Campfire......”Yeah, Unions suck azz”.

Next Campfire thread..... “Credit Unions are the best”

Love the irony around this joint. LOL.


Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I’m sure it’ll be on Fox News tomorrow. wink


I hope its somewhere, because so far 5 days worth of local reporting hasnt commented on any vandalism or medical supply shortages at Logan Health.


Why would there be any shortages when the managers made the deliveries? Did you read what I read before posting?

One of my very close friend’s mother is in a position to know what is going on in the hospital. The pro union nurses have been bragging about the teamster issue on local FB page.

But I’m sure from where you sit in PA you are in a far more knowledgeable position to comment.




Look im just trying to be more knowledgeable here from my easy chair in PA. You hate fückin unions, I get it. Im USW and I hate a lot of union activity also. But this isnt the first time someone came on here with anti union BS full of lies and half truths. If we're gonna sit here and back and forth I wanna know wtf im talkin about. And you sure as hell didnt give half the info I found in 30 secs of googling.

I could very well be on your side here. How bout ya throw me the facebook link so I can once over the GD thing while I sit on the schitter at least?


I didn’t leave anything out lol. I’m not going to write a book. But neither am I going to lie or shade things to suit my argument.

Believe what you like, but my posts stand as I wrote them. I do loathe unions, no secret. And I sure as fugk don’t need to bullshidt to cast them in a bad light.

Put on your red cape and defend away.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Maybe that was a bit strong. smile

I don’t care one bit if the nurses want more money, good for them. I’ll not defend the hospital. Lots of people have a lot of complaints against them and I don’t know what’s what in that regard.

But when the [bleep] go to the SEIU, who then bring their bag of dirty bullshidt tactics I do care. Even in principle having the SEIU here in such a presence I care very much.

This is a very red locale, and there are serious forces at play working to change that. This is but one move for them on the chessboard.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.


Aye aye comrade. Because it’s that simple. Just folks trying to make a better wage. Nothing more to it. No foreign influence. No communist ideals. Simply working folk trying to make a livable wage.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.


Aye aye comrade. Because it’s that simple. Just folks trying to make a better wage. Nothing more to it. No foreign influence. No communist ideals. Simply working folk trying to make a livable wage.
Right
Posted By: AJ300MAG

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff


But when the [bleep] go to the SEIU, who then bring their bag of dirty bullshidt tactics I do care. Even in principle having the SEIU here in such a presence I care very much.


Right, because the hospital administration would NEVER consider bringing in outsiders to intimidate the nursing staff...

They should have gotten the UAW or the Teamsters to represent them. The SEIU are the JV team. grin
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

What I see on this thread, is a whole lot of people acting like democrats.

Negotiations are a two way street, how come everybody wants the blame the nurses for walking off the job, and not hospital administrators?

If the hospital negotiators say “that’s our final offer, and we are walking away from the table, how is it they don’t bore 50% fault for the walkout?

I mean this is pure Nancy Pelosi, the republicans don’t care about the children!

It is a two way street when talks break down

I don’t know who is right or who is wrong, I have no idea what the nurses are really asking for, nor was I at the negotiating table, who was reasonable and who wasn’t. Many of you decided that as soon as you saw the word “union”.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.


You’re also a democrat.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff


I didn’t leave anything out lol. I’m not going to write a book. But neither am I going to lie or shade things to suit my argument.

Believe what you like, but my posts stand as I wrote them. I do loathe unions, no secret. And I sure as fugk don’t need to bullshidt to cast them in a bad light.

Put on your red cape and defend away.



You did leave a bunch out and did shed negative light on the nurses. You made it seem the nurses didnt give 2 schits about the patients when the fact is a lot not only worked with the union to forgo their duty to strike so they could tend to their patients they also worked on non scheduled days. Straight from Logan Healths mouth, with many thanks to the nurses contributions.

Im not taking sides at the moment, I wanna see facts, and yours didnt pan out in 30 secs in googling.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
What I see on this thread, is a whole lot of people acting like democrats.

Negotiations are a two way street, how come everybody wants the blame the nurses for walking off the job, and not hospital administrators?

If the hospital negotiators say “that’s our final offer, and we are walking away from the table, how is it they don’t bore 50% fault for the walkout?

I mean this is pure Nancy Pelosi, the republicans don’t care about the children!

It is a two way street when talks break down

I don’t know who is right or who is wrong, I have no idea what the nurses are really asking for, nor was I at the negotiating table, who was reasonable and who wasn’t. Many of you decided that as soon as you saw the word “union”.


I guess the heroes didn’t want to work the frontline that day.

LOL

Buncha sorry ass mother fugkers.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff


I didn’t leave anything out lol. I’m not going to write a book. But neither am I going to lie or shade things to suit my argument.

Believe what you like, but my posts stand as I wrote them. I do loathe unions, no secret. And I sure as fugk don’t need to bullshidt to cast them in a bad light.

Put on your red cape and defend away.



You did leave a bunch out and did shed negative light on the nurses. You made it seem the nurses didnt give 2 schits about the patients when the fact is a lot not only worked with the union to forgo their duty to strike so they could tend to their patients they also worked on non scheduled days. Straight from Logan Healths mouth, with many thanks to the nurses contributions.

Im not taking sides at the moment, I wanna see facts, and yours didnt pan out in 30 secs in googling.



You ever think maybe those are the nurses that don’t want to unionize?
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
What I see on this thread, is a whole lot of people acting like democrats.

Negotiations are a two way street, how come everybody wants the blame the nurses for walking off the job, and not hospital administrators?

If the hospital negotiators say “that’s our final offer, and we are walking away from the table, how is it they don’t bore 50% fault for the walkout?

I mean this is pure Nancy Pelosi, the republicans don’t care about the children!

It is a two way street when talks break down

I don’t know who is right or who is wrong, I have no idea what the nurses are really asking for, nor was I at the negotiating table, who was reasonable and who wasn’t. Many of you decided that as soon as you saw the word “union”.


I guess the heroes didn’t want to work the frontline that day.

LOL

Buncha sorry ass mother fugkers.


And I guess the administrators were ok with it.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave
The local news sources in Montana are some of the most corrupt and sorry sonsabitches you can find. If they support the unions you won’t hear anything negative about the union.



Thats all over the US honestly. Here in south central PA you get a couple gunshot stories...maybe a Amish buggy hit by some retard txting and driving...but its mostly USA Today BS with the local station branding. Hearst, Sinclair....commie news sources.


I don’t know how long you lived in Montana but the local news sources there were nothing like I’d ever witnessed before.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
What I see on this thread, is a whole lot of people acting like democrats.

Negotiations are a two way street, how come everybody wants the blame the nurses for walking off the job, and not hospital administrators?

If the hospital negotiators say “that’s our final offer, and we are walking away from the table, how is it they don’t bore 50% fault for the walkout?

I mean this is pure Nancy Pelosi, the republicans don’t care about the children!

It is a two way street when talks break down

I don’t know who is right or who is wrong, I have no idea what the nurses are really asking for, nor was I at the negotiating table, who was reasonable and who wasn’t. Many of you decided that as soon as you saw the word “union”.


I guess the heroes didn’t want to work the frontline that day.

LOL

Buncha sorry ass mother fugkers.


And I guess the administrators were ok with it.


The administrators found a way to keep the hospital operational.

So no, they were not “ok with it.”
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff


I didn’t leave anything out lol. I’m not going to write a book. But neither am I going to lie or shade things to suit my argument.

Believe what you like, but my posts stand as I wrote them. I do loathe unions, no secret. And I sure as fugk don’t need to bullshidt to cast them in a bad light.

Put on your red cape and defend away.



You did leave a bunch out and did shed negative light on the nurses. You made it seem the nurses didnt give 2 schits about the patients when the fact is a lot not only worked with the union to forgo their duty to strike so they could tend to their patients they also worked on non scheduled days. Straight from Logan Healths mouth, with many thanks to the nurses contributions.

Im not taking sides at the moment, I wanna see facts, and yours didnt pan out in 30 secs in googling.



You ever think maybe those are the nurses that don’t want to unionize?



You ever think SEIU wanted some nurses back in to not only take the heat off their activities but also get ears on the floor?
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick


You ever think SEIU wanted some nurses back in to not only take the heat off their activities but also get ears on the floor?


Speaking of ears to the floor...

How many do you have in Kalispell?
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Can anyone here tell us what the nurses were asking for?
NOPE.

More and more hospitals are importing nurses from Philippine nurse farms, paying their way to America in order to pay less, and guess what?
You think the cost of treatment will fall? NOPE
Will administration bonuses go up? YEP.

My wife has worked at a hospital for 25 years as a medical transcriber. When she started there were twenty five transcribers, today there are THREE.

Most of the work is now sent to outside sources, the doctors hate it, advocate against it, administration couldn’t give two schitts.

Serious mistakes on transcribed reports can cause a serious problem for doctors, hospital does not care about the doctors objecting to the new practice, less in wages, more in bonuses, that’s the game!
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

There's unions and then there's unions.


I discussed a couple days ago about our promotional language.
Aptitude
Job Performance
Attendance

Seniority comes into the discussion only to break ties between two equally qualified candidates.

And what is this talk about being paid only what the least capable in your job classification is getting? Is ours the only Union in the world to embrace merit raises. I have not been paid at my job classification in over thirty years.

Around our factory, taking on extra duties and responsibilities earns extra rewards.

Our Union Officers do not stand in the way of the company, when it comes to discipline or discharge of employees who deserve those actions.

Corporate Officers have told our Union negotiating team they prefer to have someone who can speak for the body when it comes time to correlate benefit and wage packages.

The only thing not to like about our organization is that it is affiliated with the International. And a portion of our dues goes to support Democrat Agendas and Democrat candidates.
Posted By: AJ300MAG

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff


I didn’t leave anything out lol. I’m not going to write a book. But neither am I going to lie or shade things to suit my argument.

Believe what you like, but my posts stand as I wrote them. I do loathe unions, no secret. And I sure as fugk don’t need to bullshidt to cast them in a bad light.

Put on your red cape and defend away.



You did leave a bunch out and did shed negative light on the nurses. You made it seem the nurses didnt give 2 schits about the patients when the fact is a lot not only worked with the union to forgo their duty to strike so they could tend to their patients they also worked on non scheduled days. Straight from Logan Healths mouth, with many thanks to the nurses contributions.

Im not taking sides at the moment, I wanna see facts, and yours didnt pan out in 30 secs in googling.



You ever think maybe those are the nurses that don’t want to unionize?

I'll bet those nurses will choose to forgo any economic gains that the barging team secures...

250 out of 650 doesn't a majority make.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Can anyone here tell us what the nurses were asking for?
NOPE.

More and more hospitals are importing nurses from Philippine nurse farms, paying their way to America in order to pay less, and guess what?
You think the cost of treatment will fall? NOPE
Will administration bonuses go up? YEP.

My wife has worked at a hospital for 25 years as a medical transcriber. When she started there were twenty five transcribers, today there are THREE.

Most of the work is now sent to outside sources, the doctors hate it, advocate against it, administration couldn’t give two schitts.

Serious mistakes on transcribed reports can cause a serious problem for doctors, hospital does not care about the doctors objecting to the new practice, less in wages, more in bonuses, that’s the game!


I think they were asking to be better recognized as heroes working on the frontline.

18 months of blathering schit like that can cause entitlement.

Even in bum fugk nowhere.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Our Union Officers do not stand in the way of the company, when it comes to discipline or discharge of employees who deserve those actions.



Who determines if they deserved it?
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

In 30 years in the teamsters I learned this, if you do not have the support of your fellow workers, there is nothing the unions can do to save your job if you are a lousy employee. They may prolong it, but eventually the company can rid themselves of you.

Every employee I saw get fired deserved it, many employees that go to arbitration and get their jobs back, never should have been fired.

Do you all even know who sits on a grievance board? 50% of those sitting in judgement are management from other companies in the same field.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff


I didn’t leave anything out lol. I’m not going to write a book. But neither am I going to lie or shade things to suit my argument.

Believe what you like, but my posts stand as I wrote them. I do loathe unions, no secret. And I sure as fugk don’t need to bullshidt to cast them in a bad light.

Put on your red cape and defend away.



You did leave a bunch out and did shed negative light on the nurses. You made it seem the nurses didnt give 2 schits about the patients when the fact is a lot not only worked with the union to forgo their duty to strike so they could tend to their patients they also worked on non scheduled days. Straight from Logan Healths mouth, with many thanks to the nurses contributions.

Im not taking sides at the moment, I wanna see facts, and yours didnt pan out in 30 secs in googling.




Mmmmm no.

But keep swinging.

If I said the sun rose today, do I also need to say it set before I reference it rising again tomorrow? Or can it be inferred? If I make mention of tomorrow’s sunrise without first speaking of today’s sunset did I deny it happened? Or can you fugking assume that not every single nurse in the hospital was for the union and that they whole place wasn’t staffed by “scabs”?

If you can move beyond word games please do. I’ll not hold my breath. You don’t like the SEIU but jump on your pony and ride forth to defend their honor. Solidarity brother!
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
In 30 years in the teamsters I learned this, if you do not have the support of your fellow workers, there is nothing the unions can do to save your job if you are a lousy employee. They may prolong it, but eventually the company can rid themselves of you.

Every employee I saw get fired deserved it, many employees that go to arbitration and get their jobs back, never should have been fired.

Do you all even know who sits on a grievance board? 50% of those sitting in judgement are management from other companies in the same field.


Tell us more, professor.

I’ve never dealt with these things.
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Our Union Officers do not stand in the way of the company, when it comes to discipline or discharge of employees who deserve those actions.



Who determines if they deserved it?


Grievance board, 50% of which are management personnel from other companies.
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
In 30 years in the teamsters I learned this, if you do not have the support of your fellow workers, there is nothing the unions can do to save your job if you are a lousy employee. They may prolong it, but eventually the company can rid themselves of you.

Every employee I saw get fired deserved it, many employees that go to arbitration and get their jobs back, never should have been fired.

Do you all even know who sits on a grievance board? 50% of those sitting in judgement are management from other companies in the same field.


Tell us more, professor.

I’ve never dealt with these things.


I’m trying, but you are too obtuse, set in your preconceived notions, few of which are based in any kind of experience or knowledge, rather based in blather.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick


You ever think SEIU wanted some nurses back in to not only take the heat off their activities but also get ears on the floor?


Speaking of ears to the floor...

How many do you have in Kalispell?


None...at the moment. If I PERSONALLY gave 2 schits I could have all the info I needed by days end now that I know which hospital and union. But I dont. Thing about unions, they stick together and if youre "in", it doesnt take that much to get the right contact and get all the info you need.

Travis, do you realize how schitty things get during negotiations? Do you realize what people will do to get the help they need to get the upper hand? Im Teamster, PACE(which merged with USW) and USW. Ive seen schit you could never in a million years imagine. Management and union deeds. This situation seems very tame at the moment, and I doubt itll rise to anything other than mundane.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
In 30 years in the teamsters I learned this, if you do not have the support of your fellow workers, there is nothing the unions can do to save your job if you are a lousy employee. They may prolong it, but eventually the company can rid themselves of you.

Every employee I saw get fired deserved it, many employees that go to arbitration and get their jobs back, never should have been fired.

Do you all even know who sits on a grievance board? 50% of those sitting in judgement are management from other companies in the same field.


Tell us more, professor.

I’ve never dealt with these things.


I’m trying, but you are too obtuse, set in your preconceived notions, few of which are based in any kind of experience or knowledge, rather based in blather.


I’m being obtuse because you and others sound like dumb schits.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick


You ever think SEIU wanted some nurses back in to not only take the heat off their activities but also get ears on the floor?


Speaking of ears to the floor...

How many do you have in Kalispell?


None...at the moment. If I PERSONALLY gave 2 schits I could have all the info I needed by days end now that I know which hospital and union. But I dont. Thing about unions, they stick together and if youre "in", it doesnt take that much to get the right contact and get all the info you need.

Travis, do you realize how schitty things get during negotiations? Do you realize what people will do to get the help they need to get the upper hand? Im Teamster, PACE(which merged with USW) and USW. Ive seen schit you could never in a million years imagine. Management and union deeds. This situation seems very tame at the moment, and I doubt itll rise to anything other than mundane.


Calm down.

My dad was a lifelong Teamster. But he never voted for liberal fugk sticks and he never defended the stupidity that the OP is about.

I’m not anti-union by any stretch. I’m anti-stupid.




Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
In 30 years in the teamsters I learned this, if you do not have the support of your fellow workers, there is nothing the unions can do to save your job if you are a lousy employee. They may prolong it, but eventually the company can rid themselves of you.

Every employee I saw get fired deserved it, many employees that go to arbitration and get their jobs back, never should have been fired.

Do you all even know who sits on a grievance board? 50% of those sitting in judgement are management from other companies in the same field.


Tell us more, professor.

I’ve never dealt with these things.


I’m trying, but you are too obtuse, set in your preconceived notions, few of which are based in any kind of experience or knowledge, rather based in blather.


I’m being obtuse because you and others sound like dumb schits.


Don’t like it when faced with fact over preconceived blather?
Sorry if that brings you down.
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
In 30 years in the teamsters I learned this, if you do not have the support of your fellow workers, there is nothing the unions can do to save your job if you are a lousy employee. They may prolong it, but eventually the company can rid themselves of you.

Every employee I saw get fired deserved it, many employees that go to arbitration and get their jobs back, never should have been fired.

Do you all even know who sits on a grievance board? 50% of those sitting in judgement are management from other companies in the same field.


Tell us more, professor.

I’ve never dealt with these things.


I’m trying, but you are too obtuse, set in your preconceived notions, few of which are based in any kind of experience or knowledge, rather based in blather.


I’m being obtuse because you and others sound like dumb schits.


Don’t like it when faced with fact over preconceived blather?
Sorry if that brings you down.


I mean what do you do besides living in the Campfire running your mouth, insulting people, acting wise in your ways?
You bring nothing to the site other than your cheery disposition.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick


You ever think SEIU wanted some nurses back in to not only take the heat off their activities but also get ears on the floor?


Speaking of ears to the floor...

How many do you have in Kalispell?


None...at the moment. If I PERSONALLY gave 2 schits I could have all the info I needed by days end now that I know which hospital and union. But I dont. Thing about unions, they stick together and if youre "in", it doesnt take that much to get the right contact and get all the info you need.

Travis, do you realize how schitty things get during negotiations? Do you realize what people will do to get the help they need to get the upper hand? Im Teamster, PACE(which merged with USW) and USW. Ive seen schit you could never in a million years imagine. Management and union deeds. This situation seems very tame at the moment, and I doubt itll rise to anything other than mundane.


Calm down.

My dad was a lifelong Teamster. But he never voted for liberal fugk sticks and he never defended the stupidity that the OP is about.

I’m not anti-union by any stretch. I’m anti-stupid.






Then you should know what I’m saying is accurate and you shouldn’t have to ask “who decides?”
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff


I mean what do you do besides living in the Campfire running your mouth, insulting people, acting wise in your ways?
You bring nothing to the site other than your cheery disposition.


I drink.

And golf.

In that order.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by pahick


You ever think SEIU wanted some nurses back in to not only take the heat off their activities but also get ears on the floor?


Speaking of ears to the floor...

How many do you have in Kalispell?


None...at the moment. If I PERSONALLY gave 2 schits I could have all the info I needed by days end now that I know which hospital and union. But I dont. Thing about unions, they stick together and if youre "in", it doesnt take that much to get the right contact and get all the info you need.

Travis, do you realize how schitty things get during negotiations? Do you realize what people will do to get the help they need to get the upper hand? Im Teamster, PACE(which merged with USW) and USW. Ive seen schit you could never in a million years imagine. Management and union deeds. This situation seems very tame at the moment, and I doubt itll rise to anything other than mundane.


Calm down.

My dad was a lifelong Teamster. But he never voted for liberal fugk sticks and he never defended the stupidity that the OP is about.

I’m not anti-union by any stretch. I’m anti-stupid.






Then you should know what I’m saying is accurate and you shouldn’t have to ask “who decides?”


LOL

You’re extra slow today.
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.



Well your the idiot who asked “who decides”, once you are told, now you throw your dad the lifelong Teamster around like your qualifier.
I have you facts of what the hospitals are doing and why they are doing it, you come back with insult. You may not be a liberal democrat, but you sure as hell act like one.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.



Well your the idiot who asked “who decides”, once you are told, now you throw your dad the lifelong Teamster around like your qualifier.
I have you facts of what the hospitals are doing and why they are doing it, you come back with insult. You may not be a liberal democrat, but you sure as hell act like one.


It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL
Posted By: SBTCO

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Maybe that was a bit strong. smile

I don’t care one bit if the nurses want more money, good for them. I’ll not defend the hospital. Lots of people have a lot of complaints against them and I don’t know what’s what in that regard.

But when the [bleep] go to the SEIU, who then bring their bag of dirty bullshidt tactics I do care. Even in principle having the SEIU here in such a presence I care very much.

This is a very red locale, and there are serious forces at play working to change that. This is but one move for them on the chessboard.




Good points, Goat. I hadn't heard of the vandalism until you brought it up and then the first thing I thought of was antifa goons getting paid off to come out from Seattle to "help" push the agenda.
Friggin KRMH has been a cluster F' for a number of years now and this just adds to the legacy. And to think the protesting moron dwarf in WF has a new subject for another ridiculous poster to wave in people's faces, can't wait.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

"The nurses, who organized their union in SEIU Healthcare 1199NW in July 2019, are calling for increased staffing; reinstating the charge nurse on every unit so nurses are supported in taking care of patients; a nurse staffing committee to give nurses a voice in staffing decisions throughout KRH/Logan Health; and improvements to wages and benefits that will recruit and retain nurses to stay and work in the Flathead Valley. While administrators at Logan Health say they do not have the resources to make these investments in frontline staff, they have put time and money into acquiring new facilities and launching an expensive rebranding initiative."

Ok, now that sheds a bit more light on the subject. From a union standpoint, what bothers me the most is the last sentence.

"they have put time and money into acquiring new facilities and launching an expensive rebranding initiative."

Wrong time to go SEIU and strike. Bigtime!
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave

It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL



Does that include me? LOL Im hoping you say yes and are a betting man wink
Posted By: Barkoff

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.



Well your the idiot who asked “who decides”, once you are told, now you throw your dad the lifelong Teamster around like your qualifier.
I have you facts of what the hospitals are doing and why they are doing it, you come back with insult. You may not be a liberal democrat, but you sure as hell act like one.


It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL


How many times can Dflave run his mouth and be wrong in one thread?

18 posts a day, eventually you run out of anything meaningful to say, but that never stops you from talking.
Carry on, see you in few weeks.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
"The nurses, who organized their union in SEIU Healthcare 1199NW in July 2019, are calling for increased staffing; reinstating the charge nurse on every unit so nurses are supported in taking care of patients; a nurse staffing committee to give nurses a voice in staffing decisions throughout KRH/Logan Health; and improvements to wages and benefits that will recruit and retain nurses to stay and work in the Flathead Valley. While administrators at Logan Health say they do not have the resources to make these investments in frontline staff, they have put time and money into acquiring new facilities and launching an expensive rebranding initiative."

Ok, now that sheds a bit more light on the subject. From a union standpoint, what bothers me the most is the last sentence.

"they have put time and money into acquiring new facilities and launching an expensive rebranding initiative."

Wrong time to go SEIU and strike. Bigtime!


The whole ordeal is underhanded commie loving BS.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.



Well your the idiot who asked “who decides”, once you are told, now you throw your dad the lifelong Teamster around like your qualifier.
I have you facts of what the hospitals are doing and why they are doing it, you come back with insult. You may not be a liberal democrat, but you sure as hell act like one.


It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL


How many times can Dflave run his mouth and be wrong in one thread?

18 posts a day, eventually you run out of anything meaningful to say, but that never stops you from talking.
Carry on, see you in few weeks.


You’ve cried about more gun control and more unionizing in the same day.

But you’re no democrat?

LOL
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by deflave

It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL



Does that include me? LOL Im hoping you say yes and are a betting man wink


No.

Hastings and Jerkoff.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Pretty sparse healthcare coverage.....wondering how many others are unionized. That makes a huge difference in how far they can drag this out.

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Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.



Well your the idiot who asked “who decides”, once you are told, now you throw your dad the lifelong Teamster around like your qualifier.
I have you facts of what the hospitals are doing and why they are doing it, you come back with insult. You may not be a liberal democrat, but you sure as hell act like one.


It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL


How many times can Dflave run his mouth and be wrong in one thread?

18 posts a day, eventually you run out of anything meaningful to say, but that never stops you from talking.
Carry on, see you in few weeks.


You’ve cried about more gun control and more unionizing in the same day.

But you’re no democrat?

LOL


I am for common sense Union control.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Theres already an NLRB case against LH/KRH....I cant get to docs on this page though...

https://www.nlrb.gov/case/19-CA-274781
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Pretty sparse healthcare coverage.....wondering how many others are unionized. That makes a huge difference in how far they can drag this out.

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Weather is a major factor as well.

Main roads and passes close all the time. The plows get to them when they get them.
Posted By: SBTCO

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by deflave
What facts have you brought to the table?

LOL

Your wife worked in a hospital and you’re a union nut? Fugkin bravo buddy.



Well your the idiot who asked “who decides”, once you are told, now you throw your dad the lifelong Teamster around like your qualifier.
I have you facts of what the hospitals are doing and why they are doing it, you come back with insult. You may not be a liberal democrat, but you sure as hell act like one.


It’s easy to spot the D voters here.

And you’re one of them.

LOL


How many times can Dflave run his mouth and be wrong in one thread?

18 posts a day, eventually you run out of anything meaningful to say, but that never stops you from talking.
Carry on, see you in few weeks.


You’ve cried about more gun control and more unionizing in the same day.

But you’re no democrat?

LOL


I am for common sense Union control.



If it will save just one chile!
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Our Union Officers do not stand in the way of the company, when it comes to discipline or discharge of employees who deserve those actions.



Who determines if they deserved it?

First, a grievance committee elected from their peers, second the Local Executive Board of the union. Many grievances never make it past review at the local level.

If the local finds (in their opinion) an actual contract violation has occurred, meetings with management occur and hopefully a resolution is found.

If not, an arbiter will make a determination.

Our Local really hates arbitration, as one arbitration will cost more than our total operating budget for a year. We are not bashful about telling a Union Member he has not a leg to stand on, according to our contract.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Our Union Officers do not stand in the way of the company, when it comes to discipline or discharge of employees who deserve those actions.



Who determines if they deserved it?

First, a grievance committee elected from their peers, second the Local Executive Board of the union. Many grievances never make it past review at the local level.

If the local finds (in their opinion) an actual contract violation has occurred, meetings with management occur and hopefully a resolution is found.

If not, an arbiter will make a determination.

Our Local really hates arbitration, as one arbitration will cost more than our total operating budget for a year. We are not bashful about telling a Union Member he has not a leg to stand on, according to our contract.



Arbitration can be a bitch. Companies know this, and depending on the size of the local, will push the local to file grievance after grievance, just to tie up the locals money, in hopes to "bankrupt" any future grievances. It puts the union in the position where theyll work with the company to get rid of an individual just to stabilize the whole of the union body. Duty of Fair Representation aside.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

They dont look too scary to me lol

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Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Our Union Officers do not stand in the way of the company, when it comes to discipline or discharge of employees who deserve those actions.



Who determines if they deserved it?

First, a grievance committee elected from their peers, second the Local Executive Board of the union. Many grievances never make it past review at the local level.

If the local finds (in their opinion) an actual contract violation has occurred, meetings with management occur and hopefully a resolution is found.

If not, an arbiter will make a determination.

Our Local really hates arbitration, as one arbitration will cost more than our total operating budget for a year. We are not bashful about telling a Union Member he has not a leg to stand on, according to our contract.


Oh.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur


You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.

That’s why you defend unions.
Posted By: AJ300MAG

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by pahick
They dont look too scary to me lol

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Terrorist...
Anything that bleeds once a month and doesn't die can't be trusted.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Feel for her ....seems she'll get her job back.

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Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Good to see IBEW and AFL_CIO coming out to support them!

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Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by deflave
You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.
That’s why you defend unions.
Yes, in fact I have been a registered Democrat since I registered and voted for Nixon in 1972, so your first statement is a fact.
Refresh my memory, when did I say being a Democrat is why I support unions?
The Republican's behaviors and in particular Louisiana Republicans are the reason I do not join the Republican party. Although I have learned to like our Senator Kennedy.
I think your second statement is your opinion but I'll wait for you to dredge up me saying what you have attributed to me.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/06/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.
That’s why you defend unions.
Yes, in fact I have been a registered Democrat since I registered and voted for Nixon in 1972, so your first statement is a fact.
Refresh my memory, when did I say being a Democrat is why I support unions?
The Republican's behaviors and in particular Louisiana Republicans are the reason I do not join the Republican party. Although I have learned to like our Senator Kennedy.
I think your second statement is your opinion but I'll wait for you to dredge up me saying what you have attributed to me.


All I’m trying to say is that Democrats aren’t people.
Posted By: CCCC

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.


Aye aye comrade. Because it’s that simple. Just folks trying to make a better wage. Nothing more to it. No foreign influence. No communist ideals. Simply working folk trying to make a livable wage.

Well - but - if only the above good stuff were the whole ball game - were actual. I see the point regarding the expressed positive intent of collective bargaining for wages, benefits and conditions of work. All well and good if some non-government employees/companies choose such a path. That would be the supposed "intent" and not much likely to create "anti" attitudes.

However, even a cursory analysis of union leadership mentality and behavior (and therefore union action) during the past 40 or 50 years reveals a progression of intent and behavior quite different than the originally espoused purposes. This drives resentment and opposition.

Is it OK for some folks to be anti-abortion? Anti-gun? Anti-whatever? Why not OK to be anti-union with such cause?
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Good to see IBEW and AFL_CIO coming out to support them!

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Originally Posted by pahick
Good to see IBEW and AFL_CIO coming out to support them!

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looks like both of these unions choose cheap illegal labor, open borders over Americans, that drives down middle class wages for for working Americans and they support free healthcare for illegal aliens!!

you are a brain dead union zombie

https://aflcio.org/resolutions/resolution-12-immigration-and-citizenship
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Good to see IBEW and AFL_CIO coming out to support them!

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wow now celebrating SEIU and open borders and fewer jobs and lower wages for Americans lmao

https://www.seiu.org/cards/solution...with-comprehensive-immigration-reform/p3
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

How about a hypothetical analogy? I have good quality diesel fuel to sell. You have a road construction business and are building a super highway in my area. You come to me and want me to guarantee to deliver up to 10,000 gallons a week and give you a firm price for the next year. I say OK that we will make that contract but the deal is that you do not source any diesel from another supplier even if it becomes cheaper and I will guarantee to furnish good quality diesel for $2.80 per gallon delivered to your job site.
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

It’s a good thing that the city police in Baton Rouge have a strong union with the Mayor and police chief that they have to answer to.

Their union has won some good suits for wrongful termination, supposed malfeasance, punitive demotions, etc.
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....

This list is long, very, very long, but to keep it short and sweet,

Your Union Dollar is used to fund Democrat campaigns, empower Democrat politicians and Support The Socialist Agenda. Far, far more damage than your single (R) vote could ever overcome.

Carry on, but next time you see Biden fall up the stairs, or Schumer and Pelosi speak, look in the mirror and say, “I Help Fund That”.

Carry on.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....

This list is long, very, very long, but to keep it short and sweet,

Your Union Dollar is used to fund Democrat campaigns, empower Democrat politicians and Support The Socialist Agenda. Far, far more damage than your single (R) vote could ever overcome.

Carry on, but next time you see Biden fall up the stairs, or Schumer and Pelosi speak, look in the mirror and say, “I Help Fund That”.

Carry on.




That's funny coming from a proud citizen of Minnesota. By your own reasoning, you being a part of the great state of Minnesota, you are part of the reason the entire state and all of it's citizens are the most liberal scum of the Earth. By your own simpleton reasoning, you being part of the whole, the entire Raghead voting results are yours simply because you are a citizen by choice oy your great Blue State. Dumpa$$es throwing stones, hilarious. Just look at the Representatives and Senators you people have voted in and the harm they have done and are still trying to do to this nation and the list goes on,

Carry on.
Posted By: rainshot

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

There is no excuse, in this day, for Unions. They do far more harm than good. The SEIU should be abolished and Government employees forbidden to join any Union. We The People pay their salaries and they all have far too many perks and insanely high wages to have any Union Representation. I do not want Unions having any say in our Government. All Unions support democrat causes and I won't have my dues money go for any of that tripe. When you look at the sad state of the democrat party you are looking at what the Unions helped to build. Are you proud?
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....

This list is long, very, very long, but to keep it short and sweet,

Your Union Dollar is used to fund Democrat campaigns, empower Democrat politicians and Support The Socialist Agenda. Far, far more damage than your single (R) vote could ever overcome.

Carry on, but next time you see Biden fall up the stairs, or Schumer and Pelosi speak, look in the mirror and say, “I Help Fund That”.

Carry on.




That's funny coming from a proud citizen of Minnesota. By your own reasoning, you being a part of the great state of Minnesota, you are part of the reason the entire state and all of it's citizens are the most liberal scum of the Earth. By your own simpleton reasoning, you being part of the whole, the entire Raghead voting results are yours simply because you are a citizen by choice oy your great Blue State. Dumpa$$es throwing stones, hilarious. Just look at the Representatives and Senators you people have voted in and the harm they have done and are still trying to do to this nation and the list goes on,

Carry on.

Nope, I don’t pay Union dues that fund Socialism, open boarders, the green new deal, but You Do.

Sad thing is you are proud of it. You brag about the fact that you financially support these things, just so you can have your 30 Pieces of Silver.
Posted By: jorgeI

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

I deal with a union and my employees and it's a fairly "benign" union. That said:

1. Unions cater to the lowest common denominator; all they care about is seniority and individual performance be damned.
2. There is a reason as to why union membership has declined from a high percentage in the 30s to less than 8% today
3. Their real motto is "pay me more so I can work less." And if you've ever been around a port and watched line handlers, it's patently obvious...
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....

This list is long, very, very long, but to keep it short and sweet,

Your Union Dollar is used to fund Democrat campaigns, empower Democrat politicians and Support The Socialist Agenda. Far, far more damage than your single (R) vote could ever overcome.

Carry on, but next time you see Biden fall up the stairs, or Schumer and Pelosi speak, look in the mirror and say, “I Help Fund That”.

Carry on.




That's funny coming from a proud citizen of Minnesota. By your own reasoning, you being a part of the great state of Minnesota, you are part of the reason the entire state and all of it's citizens are the most liberal scum of the Earth. By your own simpleton reasoning, you being part of the whole, the entire Raghead voting results are yours simply because you are a citizen by choice oy your great Blue State. Dumpa$$es throwing stones, hilarious. Just look at the Representatives and Senators you people have voted in and the harm they have done and are still trying to do to this nation and the list goes on,

Carry on.

Nope, I don’t pay Union dues that fund Socialism, open boarders, the green new deal, but You Do.

Sad thing is you are proud of it. You brag about the fact that you financially support these things, just so you can have your 30 Pieces of Silver.


But you and your state as an entity fund and vote for those very things. They only get voted in because of Blue States and their voting majorities such as you and your state which you are a part of. You are a due paying member of the great state of Minnesota and the harm it has done for the past 100 voting years. Shouldn't you be coping and pasting the silly little map of yours about now?
Posted By: Dess

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by jorgeI
I deal with a union and my employees and it's a fairly "benign" union. That said:

1. Unions cater to the lowest common denominator; all they care about is seniority and individual performance be damned.
2. There is a reason as to why union membership has declined from a high percentage in the 30s to less than 8% today
3. Their real motto is "pay me more so I can work less." And if you've ever been around a port and watched line handlers, it's patently obvious...



I disagree somewhat with your first point. I do agree seniority rules absolutely with an iron fist. In regard to individual performance, the union will shamelessly use the superior work ethic of a small group of workers to justify inflated wages to the whole group.
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....

This list is long, very, very long, but to keep it short and sweet,

Your Union Dollar is used to fund Democrat campaigns, empower Democrat politicians and Support The Socialist Agenda. Far, far more damage than your single (R) vote could ever overcome.

Carry on, but next time you see Biden fall up the stairs, or Schumer and Pelosi speak, look in the mirror and say, “I Help Fund That”.

Carry on.




That's funny coming from a proud citizen of Minnesota. By your own reasoning, you being a part of the great state of Minnesota, you are part of the reason the entire state and all of it's citizens are the most liberal scum of the Earth. By your own simpleton reasoning, you being part of the whole, the entire Raghead voting results are yours simply because you are a citizen by choice oy your great Blue State. Dumpa$$es throwing stones, hilarious. Just look at the Representatives and Senators you people have voted in and the harm they have done and are still trying to do to this nation and the list goes on,

Carry on.

Nope, I don’t pay Union dues that fund Socialism, open boarders, the green new deal, but You Do.

Sad thing is you are proud of it. You brag about the fact that you financially support these things, just so you can have your 30 Pieces of Silver.


But you and your state as an entity fund and vote for those very things. They only get voted in because of Blue States and their voting majorities such as you and your state which you are a part of. You are a due paying member of the great state of Minnesota and the harm it has done for the past 100 voting years. Shouldn't you be coping and pasting the silly little map of yours about now?

Pssst, we are talking unions here, and as already stated mine is blue because of them

As already stated, you willingly and proudly fund the DNC and all the evil and anti-American atrocities that goes with it.

You pay them money for your own personal gain knowing that they are going to fund Democrats and their NWO Agenda.
Conclusion, you are either a Proud Union Democrat, or a Sellout, or just another Brain Dead Union Idiot.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ribka
lmao




You really are a simple fück arent you. Voted straight R since the day I could vote(except Arlen Specter..turncoat prick) but you tell me how im supporting open borders and lower wages. Tell me, us all, how my union dollar ruined this country. Ill wait....

This list is long, very, very long, but to keep it short and sweet,

Your Union Dollar is used to fund Democrat campaigns, empower Democrat politicians and Support The Socialist Agenda. Far, far more damage than your single (R) vote could ever overcome.

Carry on, but next time you see Biden fall up the stairs, or Schumer and Pelosi speak, look in the mirror and say, “I Help Fund That”.

Carry on.




That's funny coming from a proud citizen of Minnesota. By your own reasoning, you being a part of the great state of Minnesota, you are part of the reason the entire state and all of it's citizens are the most liberal scum of the Earth. By your own simpleton reasoning, you being part of the whole, the entire Raghead voting results are yours simply because you are a citizen by choice oy your great Blue State. Dumpa$$es throwing stones, hilarious. Just look at the Representatives and Senators you people have voted in and the harm they have done and are still trying to do to this nation and the list goes on,

Carry on.

Nope, I don’t pay Union dues that fund Socialism, open boarders, the green new deal, but You Do.

Sad thing is you are proud of it. You brag about the fact that you financially support these things, just so you can have your 30 Pieces of Silver.


But you and your state as an entity fund and vote for those very things. They only get voted in because of Blue States and their voting majorities such as you and your state which you are a part of. You are a due paying member of the great state of Minnesota and the harm it has done for the past 100 voting years. Shouldn't you be coping and pasting the silly little map of yours about now?

Pssst, we are talking unions here, and as already stated mine is blue because of them

As already stated, you willingly and proudly fund the DNC and all the evil and anti-American atrocities that goes with it.

You pay them money for your own personal gain knowing that they are going to fund Democrats and their NWO Agenda.
Conclusion, you are either a Proud Union Democrat, or a Sellout, or just another Brain Dead Union Idiot.



You mean that the 86% on the Non Union population of your great state is controlled by the 14% of the Union workforce? What a punch of dumba$$es by you own standard. You are the DNC and all the anti-American atrocities that goes with it.
Brain Dead Minnesotans. You're hilarious.
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html

This silly little map is fact, it shows that the states with the highest Union members are also run by Democrats, deny it all you wish, but the facts are right in front of you. The more Union members, the Bluer The State.

Plus, this map does not include Public employees unions.

Plug the fact that almost 50% of public employees are Union and it gets worse.

You sold your sole for a few pittance .
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html

This silly little map is fact, it shows that the states with the highest Union members are also run by Democrats, deny it all you wish, but the facts are right in front of you. The more Union members, the Bluer The State.

Plus, this map does not include Public employees unions.

Plug the fact that almost 50% of public employees are Union and it gets worse.

You sold your sole for a few pittance .


How much did you get for being a member of the the Great Liberal State of Minnesota and all it and it's citizens stand for, by choice?
Posted By: joken2

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21


Based on 20 years experience with the UAW, I came to the conclusion that their main focus is on the locals with the highest number of members and primarily on the Big Three auto manufacturers. The smaller a local's membership the less real representation they get and what representation they do get is of lesser quality. Basically, smaller locals exist mainly to feed the union coffers. Being a UAW member does NOT mean you get comparable wages, benefits, and protections nor anywhere close to what the Big Three UAW members get.

The first three union representation request cards were handed to me back at the beginning by strong union supporter employees. Over the next few years all three of them went nonunion salaried management and so did several committee members and about half of our local's presidents.

Union representation was voted down twice but passed the third time. The company was entirely to blame for it passing the third time as they failed to follow through with any of their promises made which was the sole reason the previous two votes rejected union representation. Soon after each vote things were back to the same old crap.

Like someone told me years ago, " You're miles ahead working with the threat of voting in union than you'd be with a union"...



Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html

This silly little map is fact, it shows that the states with the highest Union members are also run by Democrats, deny it all you wish, but the facts are right in front of you. The more Union members, the Bluer The State.

Plus, this map does not include Public employees unions.

Plug the fact that almost 50% of public employees are Union and it gets worse.

You sold your sole for a few pittance .


How much did you get for being a member of the the Great Liberal State of Minnesota and all it and it's citizens stand for, by choice?


As already pointed out, pay tension, MN is packed with liberals, but they are concentrated in the Twin Cities (Cidiots) and the Duluth area. The rest ( Greater MN) is much less liberal and the majority leans conservative.

The Arrowhead Region is simply brain dead. The are conservatives in the sense that they want smaller Government, support the Second Amendment, despise those on the dole, have no use for BLM , LGBT, or any of that other schit, they even love Trump, but they refuse to vote for him because he was not endorsed by their beloved Union, kinda like you.

So, here is the map that you love so much, it clearly shows that the Democrat strongholds are the Cities and the Brain Dead Union country called The Arrowhead.

If it weren’t for the brain dead Union idiots on Da Range, we might just have enough (R) votes to overcome the Cidiots.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html

This silly little map is fact, it shows that the states with the highest Union members are also run by Democrats, deny it all you wish, but the facts are right in front of you. The more Union members, the Bluer The State.

Plus, this map does not include Public employees unions.

Plug the fact that almost 50% of public employees are Union and it gets worse.

You sold your sole for a few pittance .


How much did you get for being a member of the the Great Liberal State of Minnesota and all it and it's citizens stand for, by choice?


As already pointed out, pay tension, MN is packed with liberals, but they are concentrated in the Twin Cities (Cidiots) and the Duluth area. The rest ( Greater MN) is much less liberal and the majority leans conservative.

The Arrowhead Region is simply brain dead. The are conservatives in the sense that they want smaller Government, support the Second Amendment, despise those on the dole, have no use for BLM , LGBT, or any of that other schit, they even love Trump, but they refuse to vote for him because he was not endorsed by their beloved Union, kinda like you.

So, here is the map that you love so much, it clearly shows that the Democrat strongholds are the Cities and the Brain Dead Union country called The Arrowhead.

If it weren’t for the brain dead Union idiots on Da Range, we might just have enough (R) votes to overcome the Cidiots.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


So glad you posted that same dumbass map again. That’s all you got to justify the hypocritical do as I say and not do as I do citizens of Minnesota?
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html

This silly little map is fact, it shows that the states with the highest Union members are also run by Democrats, deny it all you wish, but the facts are right in front of you. The more Union members, the Bluer The State.

Plus, this map does not include Public employees unions.

Plug the fact that almost 50% of public employees are Union and it gets worse.

You sold your sole for a few pittance .


How much did you get for being a member of the the Great Liberal State of Minnesota and all it and it's citizens stand for, by choice?


As already pointed out, pay tension, MN is packed with liberals, but they are concentrated in the Twin Cities (Cidiots) and the Duluth area. The rest ( Greater MN) is much less liberal and the majority leans conservative.

The Arrowhead Region is simply brain dead. The are conservatives in the sense that they want smaller Government, support the Second Amendment, despise those on the dole, have no use for BLM , LGBT, or any of that other schit, they even love Trump, but they refuse to vote for him because he was not endorsed by their beloved Union, kinda like you.

So, here is the map that you love so much, it clearly shows that the Democrat strongholds are the Cities and the Brain Dead Union country called The Arrowhead.

If it weren’t for the brain dead Union idiots on Da Range, we might just have enough (R) votes to overcome the Cidiots.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


So glad you posted that same dumbass map again. That’s all you got to justify the hypocritical do as I say and not do as I do citizens of Minnesota?

I knew you would enjoy it.

Facts are not your strong suit, neither is trying to refute them.

Carry on dumb ass.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by steve4102
Well, yeah, that is more than enough to swing an election.

Here is a map of % of Union Membership.

Notice the highest percentage of Union idiots also coincides with the Color Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]



15.8% Union Workforce in Minnesota. What is it with you and these silly little maps? I guess 86% of the votes isn't enough to swing the vote be your standards?

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...f0b7ef6-8c3a-11eb-a1af-4751b5dc5d89.html

https://workdayminnesota.org/union-...-unionization-rates-increase-nationally/

https://www.southernminn.com/around_the_web/news/article_7b6d0637-7e54-5f40-a33b-e4df76dad0bc.html

This silly little map is fact, it shows that the states with the highest Union members are also run by Democrats, deny it all you wish, but the facts are right in front of you. The more Union members, the Bluer The State.

Plus, this map does not include Public employees unions.

Plug the fact that almost 50% of public employees are Union and it gets worse.

You sold your sole for a few pittance .


How much did you get for being a member of the the Great Liberal State of Minnesota and all it and it's citizens stand for, by choice?


As already pointed out, pay tension, MN is packed with liberals, but they are concentrated in the Twin Cities (Cidiots) and the Duluth area. The rest ( Greater MN) is much less liberal and the majority leans conservative.

The Arrowhead Region is simply brain dead. The are conservatives in the sense that they want smaller Government, support the Second Amendment, despise those on the dole, have no use for BLM , LGBT, or any of that other schit, they even love Trump, but they refuse to vote for him because he was not endorsed by their beloved Union, kinda like you.

So, here is the map that you love so much, it clearly shows that the Democrat strongholds are the Cities and the Brain Dead Union country called The Arrowhead.

If it weren’t for the brain dead Union idiots on Da Range, we might just have enough (R) votes to overcome the Cidiots.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


So glad you posted that same dumbass map again. That’s all you got to justify the hypocritical do as I say and not do as I do citizens of Minnesota?

I knew you would enjoy it.

Facts are not your strong suit, neither is trying to refute them.

Carry on dumb ass.


Only a dumbass from Minnesota would think anything you post are facts. That’s why you live in such a sheithole and can be proud of it.
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by hardway
Campfire......”Yeah, Unions suck azz”.

Next Campfire thread..... “Credit Unions are the best”

Love the irony around this joint. LOL.



Yeah, no scchitt, eh? For real, I say. You’re right on top of it.

And these dumbass fuggers that lives in and pays dues to this UNION of 57 states called “The UNITED States” .

Damned unbridled hypocrisy and irony for sure

As VG would say, sheesh!
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ChuckKY


Only a dumbass from Minnesota would think anything you post are facts. That’s why you live in such a sheithole and can be proud of it.


Hes definitely a dumbass, but hes brainwashed...liken it to college kids, which he fails to post any correlation between those blue areas and colleges, business, ethnic groups, etc etc.....ITS THE UNIONS DAMNIT!!!!

Fact is, our local is 97% Republican and vote accordingly. Trump won PA in '16. We all know how the Dems defeated Trump in PA in '20. But in his mind, again, ITS THE GD UNIONS!!!!!!

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

The union never bought a fückin vote from me, or damn near anyone in our county, which is red! Always was, always will be. Dems are job killers in this area, and the people know no jobs, no union.

This is PA though, and the teachers union is very strong! They put the most corrupt governor in office in my lifetime(Rendell very close 2nd). But even the teachers union isnt the sole issue, at least here in PA. Its a culmination of many components of which unions are a very small part of.

Wanna keep losing elections? Keep thinking unions are THE problem.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

https://bluetent.us/arenas/unions/biggest-union-donors-in-2020/

Thanks unions!!!

Why do unions support unlimited illegal immigration, open borders, that drive down wages and jobs, gun bans and donate all of their money only to left wing Democrats?

pretty simple questions diehard union goons always refuse to answer


Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ChuckKY


Only a dumbass from Minnesota would think anything you post are facts. That’s why you live in such a sheithole and can be proud of it.


Hes definitely a dumbass, but hes brainwashed...liken it to college kids, which he fails to post any correlation between those blue areas and colleges, business, ethnic groups, etc etc.....ITS THE UNIONS DAMNIT!!!!

Fact is, our local is 97% Republican and vote accordingly. Trump won PA in '16. We all know how the Dems defeated Trump in PA in '20. But in his mind, again, ITS THE GD UNIONS!!!!!!

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

The union never bought a fückin vote from me, or damn near anyone in our county, which is red! Always was, always will be. Dems are job killers in this area, and the people know no jobs, no union.

This is PA though, and the teachers union is very strong! They put the most corrupt governor in office in my lifetime(Rendell very close 2nd). But even the teachers union isnt the sole issue, at least here in PA. Its a culmination of many components of which unions are a very small part of.

Wanna keep losing elections? Keep thinking unions are THE problem.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
..........So the first night of the strike a bunch of the vehicles in the hospital parking lot have their windows smashed in. Hmmmm.............





Ya, still not seein it......wanna help me out here?????????? Send me a screenshot of a facebook post or something!! Police reports, news release...anything.

Not finding anything about Teamsters not delivering either....and "management" getting in their trucks to deliver supplies.....dont see that happening but hey...you said it so it must be true huh? Right????? I mean, I guess I could message someone on the strike line....wait maybe I did, maybe I didnt.... I cant remember wink
Posted By: pahick

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ribka

Thanks unions!!!

Why do unions support unlimited illegal immigration, open borders, that drive down wages and jobs, gun bans and donate all of their money only to left wing Democrats?

pretty simple questions diehard union goons always refuse to answer





Hey douchebags up, mornin.....or afternoon...wherever you diddle your neighbors kid at. Hey, you know what? SHHHHH!!..dont tell any of these other guys now...but I heard from a little bird that Kasich received union money, Trump too...remember now...SHHHHHHH!!!!!
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ribka
https://bluetent.us/arenas/unions/biggest-union-donors-in-2020/

Thanks unions!!!

Why do unions support unlimited illegal immigration, open borders, that drive down wages and jobs, gun bans and donate all of their money only to left wing Democrats?

pretty simple questions diehard union goons always refuse to answer


Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by ChuckKY


Only a dumbass from Minnesota would think anything you post are facts. That’s why you live in such a sheithole and can be proud of it.


Hes definitely a dumbass, but hes brainwashed...liken it to college kids, which he fails to post any correlation between those blue areas and colleges, business, ethnic groups, etc etc.....ITS THE UNIONS DAMNIT!!!!

Fact is, our local is 97% Republican and vote accordingly. Trump won PA in '16. We all know how the Dems defeated Trump in PA in '20. But in his mind, again, ITS THE GD UNIONS!!!!!!

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The union never bought a fückin vote from me, or damn near anyone in our county, which is red! Always was, always will be. Dems are job killers in this area, and the people know no jobs, no union.

This is PA though, and the teachers union is very strong! They put the most corrupt governor in office in my lifetime(Rendell very close 2nd). But even the teachers union isnt the sole issue, at least here in PA. Its a culmination of many components of which unions are a very small part of.

Wanna keep losing elections? Keep thinking unions are THE problem.


Why are dress wearing phaggots that hang out in martini bars in Idaho even allowed to post here? An oversight by Rick I'm sure.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

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Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ribka
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One of your old Flames? I've heard he was into the Trans Gender guys, he even married one.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

and unions push for higher taxes . how does that help working class Americans chunky?

https://aflcio.org/2017/4/24/trumps-tax-plan-massive-giveaway-wealthy-few

BLOG | CORPORATE GREED

Trump’s Tax Plan Is a Massive Giveaway to the Wealthy Few

AFL-CIO Staff April 24, 2017
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ribka
and unions push for higher taxes . how does that help working class Americans chunky?

BLOG | CORPORATE GREED

Trump’s Tax Plan Is a Massive Giveaway to the Wealthy Few

AFL-CIO Staff April 24, 2017



How come every single time a job posting comes up at any Union workplace, it is always 100% non Union people (men, women, Trans Genders such as yourself) that apply? Could it be that people such as yourself say one thing and than will do anything to get a better paying job with benefits and training that comes with an IBEW trade labor job? You and that other idiot from Minnesota are truly one hit wonders. We don't fughk management over and they don't us. Management, contractors and workers belong to the same Union.
Posted By: 3584ELK

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by joken2

Not a fan of labor unions myself either but in all honesty I have seen at least as much shady stuff during contract negotiations and labor strikes from companies as I have unions. Shady stuff such as provoked confrontations, staged threats and damages to "scab" personal property as propaganda to garner favorable media and public sympathy.

Local company contracted a professional temporary employee service that provided manual labor and security employee temps for labor strikes only. They were a sorry bunch, too. They stole the company blind. They took everything they could carry that wasn't welded down. Management became so concerned they even warned office help and especially women to never tell any of the strike temps any personal info, and before they left the parking lot to always check the interior of their vehicles before entering and make sure they weren't being followed as they left work.

The Captain of the security guards was even busted for selling illegal switchblade knives to the temp workers.



THIS

I am a small business owner and a union member. I see both sides of the equation. Been victim to the company who promises the world and delivers nothing. Worked for the criminals who raid the 401K fund and cry about poor profits. Worked for the criminals who fly around in their personal aircraft and want to pay [bleep] wages for quality work under poor conditions with no tooling. Unions have their place, and in my experience they only gain traction when management jackasses abuse the workers. I treat the kid who mows my lawn better than some of these companies treat their folks.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.
That’s why you defend unions.
Yes, in fact I have been a registered Democrat since I registered and voted for Nixon in 1972, so your first statement is a fact.
Refresh my memory, when did I say being a Democrat is why I support unions?
The Republican's behaviors and in particular Louisiana Republicans are the reason I do not join the Republican party. Although I have learned to like our Senator Kennedy.
I think your second statement is your opinion but I'll wait for you to dredge up me saying what you have attributed to me.
All I’m trying to say is that Democrats aren’t people.
I feel the same way at times. Do you have a suggestion for a political party?
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21


the corrupt unions sure do miss Obama lol

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka
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One of your old Flames? I've heard he was into the Trans Gender guys, he even married one.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21


And how does union sponsored higher taxes on American workers help working class Americans chunky?

Why do all unions support open borders and unlimited illegal aliens over the American worker chunky?

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka
and unions push for higher taxes . how does that help working class Americans chunky?

BLOG | CORPORATE GREED

Trump’s Tax Plan Is a Massive Giveaway to the Wealthy Few

AFL-CIO Staff April 24, 2017



How come every single time a job posting comes up at any Union workplace, it is always 100% non Union people (men, women, Trans Genders such as yourself) that apply? Could it be that people such as yourself say one thing and than will do anything to get a better paying job with benefits and training that comes with an IBEW trade labor job? You and that other idiot from Minnesota are truly one hit wonders. We don't fughk management over and they don't us. Management, contractors and workers belong to the same Union.
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/07/21

Originally Posted by ribka

And how does union sponsored higher taxes on American workers help working class Americans chunky?

Why do all unions support open borders and unlimited illegal aliens over the American worker chunky?

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka
and unions push for higher taxes . how does that help working class Americans chunky?

BLOG | CORPORATE GREED

Trump’s Tax Plan Is a Massive Giveaway to the Wealthy Few

AFL-CIO Staff April 24, 2017



How come every single time a job posting comes up at any Union workplace, it is always 100% non Union people (men, women, Trans Genders such as yourself) that apply? Could it be that people such as yourself say one thing and than will do anything to get a better paying job with benefits and training that comes with an IBEW trade labor job? You and that other idiot from Minnesota are truly one hit wonders. We don't fughk management over and they don't us. Management, contractors and workers belong to the same Union.




You pay taxes you dress wearing freak? Were does all your tax money go, these very programs you speak of ? If you freely pay into a corrupt political system, aren't you compliant to that very outcome?
Posted By: ribka

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21




President Biden
@POTUS

United States government official
Folks, Wall Street didn’t build this country — the great middle class built this country. And unions built the middle class.
4:24 PM · Jun 8, 2021·The White House


your union hero is tweeting today chunky




Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka

And how does union sponsored higher taxes on American workers help working class Americans chunky?

Why do all unions support open borders and unlimited illegal aliens over the American worker chunky?

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka
and unions push for higher taxes . how does that help working class Americans chunky?

BLOG | CORPORATE GREED

Trump’s Tax Plan Is a Massive Giveaway to the Wealthy Few

AFL-CIO Staff April 24, 2017



How come every single time a job posting comes up at any Union workplace, it is always 100% non Union people (men, women, Trans Genders such as yourself) that apply? Could it be that people such as yourself say one thing and than will do anything to get a better paying job with benefits and training that comes with an IBEW trade labor job? You and that other idiot from Minnesota are truly one hit wonders. We don't fughk management over and they don't us. Management, contractors and workers belong to the same Union.




You pay taxes you dress wearing freak? Were does all your tax money go, these very programs you speak of ? If you freely pay into a corrupt political system, aren't you compliant to that very outcome?
Posted By: ChuckKY

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21

Originally Posted by ribka



President Biden
@POTUS

United States government official
Folks, Wall Street didn’t build this country — the great middle class built this country. And unions built the middle class.
4:24 PM · Jun 8, 2021·The White House


your union hero is tweeting today chunky




Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka

And how does union sponsored higher taxes on American workers help working class Americans chunky?

Why do all unions support open borders and unlimited illegal aliens over the American worker chunky?

Originally Posted by ChuckKY
Originally Posted by ribka
and unions push for higher taxes . how does that help working class Americans chunky?

BLOG | CORPORATE GREED

Trump’s Tax Plan Is a Massive Giveaway to the Wealthy Few

AFL-CIO Staff April 24, 2017



How come every single time a job posting comes up at any Union workplace, it is always 100% non Union people (men, women, Trans Genders such as yourself) that apply? Could it be that people such as yourself say one thing and than will do anything to get a better paying job with benefits and training that comes with an IBEW trade labor job? You and that other idiot from Minnesota are truly one hit wonders. We don't fughk management over and they don't us. Management, contractors and workers belong to the same Union.




You pay taxes you dress wearing freak? Were does all your tax money go, these very programs you speak of ? If you freely pay into a corrupt political system, aren't you compliant to that very outcome?




Dress wearing Trans Gender phaggots from Idaho with great Copy and Paste skills such as yourself damn sure didn't do anything to help make this country great. How about another picture of your Trans Gender loving Love Buddy Obama?
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur


You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.

That’s why you defend unions.



And you’ve plainly stated that you’re the spawn of a Teamster who pays extortion money (dues) to a criminal enterprise and that has communists associates and who also clearly supports the democrat party so that he can work to feed his family.

You’re a two faced f’kn drunkard who continually talks scchitt out of his boney drunkard ass and thinks that folks here don’t see it.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21

Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur


You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.

That’s why you defend unions.



And you’ve plainly stated that you’re the spawn of a Teamster who pays extortion money (dues) to a criminal enterprise and that has communists associates and who also clearly supports the democrat party so that he can work to feed his family.

You’re a two faced f’kn drunkard who continually talks scchitt out of his boney drunkard ass and thinks that folks here don’t see it.


A COVTARD and a Democrat swinging hand in hand.

Who’da thunk it?

LOL
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur


You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.

That’s why you defend unions.



And you’ve plainly stated that you’re the spawn of a Teamster who pays extortion money (dues) to a criminal enterprise and that has communists associates and who also clearly supports the democrat party so that he can work to feed his family.

You’re a two faced f’kn drunkard who continually talks scchitt out of his boney drunkard ass and thinks that folks here don’t see it.


A COVTARD and a Democrat swinging hand in hand.

Who’da thunk it?

LOL



Yeah.

Whine your little democrat, union raised and fed, bitch ass off.

You come from a long line of democrat, extortion paying, criminal organization members.

Anyone out there looking for this little, 2 bit, tinhorn, mr. mom, big mouthed f’kr will probably find him laying passed out drunk somewhere between glib and flippant.

Laffin at your phony punk ass .
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21

Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur


You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.

That’s why you defend unions.



And you’ve plainly stated that you’re the spawn of a Teamster who pays extortion money (dues) to a criminal enterprise and that has communists associates and who also clearly supports the democrat party so that he can work to feed his family.

You’re a two faced f’kn drunkard who continually talks scchitt out of his boney drunkard ass and thinks that folks here don’t see it.


A COVTARD and a Democrat swinging hand in hand.

Who’da thunk it?

LOL



Yeah.

Whine your little democrat, union raised and fed, bitch ass off.

You come from a long line of democrat, extortion paying, criminal organization members.

Anyone out there looking for this little, 2 bit, tinhorn, mr. mom, big mouthed f’kr will probably find him laying passed out drunk somewhere between glib and flippant.

Laffin at your phony punk ass .


Ouch!!! Fuggin Tooter slingin the mud. lol

Gooooooo Flave!
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Another union post - 06/09/21

Originally Posted by Skankhunt42
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I am having a bit of trouble understanding anti union folks if we are to live in a free country where we are able to have free association and the right to make contracts. What is the problem with an association of people with a skill and labor to sell forming a corporation and bargaining with an entity wishing to purchase that skill and labor? What is the problem with a provision in that contract that says the union will furnish the labor and skill and the company will exclusively buy their labor from that source? Why should the government be able to hobble a labor union in Right to Work (for less) states but allow a company to require its labor to join one of the "labor finder" organizations and lose a portion of their pay in fees to the "labor finder" outfit.
You’re also a democrat.
Non sequitur


You’ve plainly stated in the past that you’re a registered democrat.

That’s why you defend unions.



And you’ve plainly stated that you’re the spawn of a Teamster who pays extortion money (dues) to a criminal enterprise and that has communists associates and who also clearly supports the democrat party so that he can work to feed his family.

You’re a two faced f’kn drunkard who continually talks scchitt out of his boney drunkard ass and thinks that folks here don’t see it.


A COVTARD and a Democrat swinging hand in hand.

Who’da thunk it?

LOL



Yeah.

Whine your little democrat, union raised and fed, bitch ass off.

You come from a long line of democrat, extortion paying, criminal organization members.

Anyone out there looking for this little, 2 bit, tinhorn, mr. mom, big mouthed f’kr will probably find him laying passed out drunk somewhere between glib and flippant.

Laffin at your phony punk ass .


Ouch!!! Fuggin Tooter slingin the mud. lol

Gooooooo Flave!


Get you a mouthful, skank. Plenty enough to go around.

Hint.
It ain’t mud but it does fits your normal diet. Trust me.
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