This one is probably going to cause some cognitive dissonance with our fire members. A man shot a motorist in self-defense in Houston. The motorist has been charged with aggravated assault and will go straight to jail when he gets out of the hospital.
BUT, the person who defended himself was a bicyclist, and the motorist was using his car as a weapon to teach the bicyclists that they shouldn't be on the road. I am pretty sure that running over cyclists has the blessing of the masses here, so this one should make some heads spin.
Cops consider a car coming at them as a deadly weapon and will shoot to stop it. Usually after a high speed chase. This cyclist was well within his rights to use any means necessary to stop the threat.
This one is probably going to cause some cognitive dissonance with our fire members. A man shot a motorist in self-defense in Houston. The motorist has been charged with aggravated assault and will go straight to jail when he gets out of the hospital.
BUT, the person who defended himself was a bicyclist, and the motorist was using his car as a weapon to teach the bicyclists that they shouldn't be on the road. I am pretty sure that running over cyclists has the blessing of the masses here, so this one should make some heads spin. /
Nah - but pouring coal is kinda fun to watch..
The ones around here are pretty cool about staying to the side of the road.. But there's becoming more and more roads with wider RH shoulders to accommodate the peddle-pushers with more room..
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
Yeah! Keep that damn farm equipment off the roads! Yeah!
This one is probably going to cause some cognitive dissonance with our fire members. A man shot a motorist in self-defense in Houston. The motorist has been charged with aggravated assault and will go straight to jail when he gets out of the hospital.
BUT, the person who defended himself was a bicyclist, and the motorist was using his car as a weapon to teach the bicyclists that they shouldn't be on the road. I am pretty sure that running over cyclists has the blessing of the masses here, so this one should make some heads spin. /
Nah - but pouring coal is kinda fun to watch..
The ones around here are pretty cool about staying to the side of the road.. But there's becoming more and more roads with wider RH shoulders to accommodate the peddle-pushers with more room..
In Palm Beach county Florida there's a law that states your supposed to stay 3' away from a bicyclist if your in a motor vehicle. I think that was put into effect to stop the azz grabbing while hanging out the window.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
Apparently you have never rode or drove up A1A from Delray Beach to Manalapan Florida. The queers in spandex are sniffing each other's azz tying up traffic, you'd fit right in.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
No problem going around one bicycle, but when they ride 2 abreast it should be open season!!
Any your theory about the side walk. Makes no sense at all. You have someone walking about 4 miles an hour, bicycle going 15 miles an hour. Compared to a car going 55 and a bicycle go 15. Duh!!! Just get off the road!!
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
Apparently you have never rode or drove up A1A from Delray Beach to Manalapan Florida. The queers in spandex are sniffing each other's azz tying up traffic, you'd fit right in.
Good shoot is good shoot - regardless of who does it.
One good shoot by an annoying sub-culture of people doesn't absolve the entire/larger sub-culture of its sins either tho. So in the end "meh".
Can you delineate the sins and speak specifically to how they have affected you?
Repeated running of stop signs, riding against the flow of traffic, blocking intersections so the "group" can come through at a blistering 8 mph etc.
Don't act ignorant - you KNOW the cycling community doesn't have the best reputation with society at large. I know, you're part of it and would never do the above listed annoying things. Not talking about you - talking about the group.
Good shoot is good shoot - regardless of who does it.
One good shoot by an annoying sub-culture of people doesn't absolve the entire/larger sub-culture of its sins either tho. So in the end "meh".
Can you delineate the sins and speak specifically to how they have affected you?
Repeated running of stop signs, riding against the flow of traffic, blocking intersections so the "group" can come through at a blistering 8 mph etc.
Don't act ignorant - you KNOW the cycling community doesn't have the best reputation with society at large. I know, you're part of it and would never do the above listed annoying things. Not talking about you - talking about the group.
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
I stop when I need to yield right of way. It affects me in that it keeps me from getting killed or injured. I don't stop unless I need to stop to yield right of way.
I'd be willing to bet that you break the law every time you drive. Am I right or wrong?
Interestingly, studies have shown that motorists and cyclists break the law at about the same rate. Motorists do it for reasons of convenience. Cyclists do it more for safety.
This one is probably going to cause some cognitive dissonance with our fire members. A man shot a motorist in self-defense in Houston. The motorist has been charged with aggravated assault and will go straight to jail when he gets out of the hospital.
BUT, the person who defended himself was a bicyclist, and the motorist was using his car as a weapon to teach the bicyclists that they shouldn't be on the road. I am pretty sure that running over cyclists has the blessing of the masses here, so this one should make some heads spin.
As to the legalities, who knows right now? After the Chauvin conviction and Kyle Rittenhouse charging, who knows what our courts are capable of?
As far as a car being a deadly weapon...only a retard would think that it wasn't. IMO cops will get a lot more leeway in this regard though, than regular folks. It sounded like Hispanic v. Hispanic, so maybe race-wise, the playing field is at least level.
I thought at first, why wouldn't the sensible thing be to just bike out of the guy in the car's way, rather than stop, draw your gun and shoot. With all that time taken, you're likely to get hit, even if you get shots off. Legalities aside, the goal should be to avoid death or injury. Then I saw that the guy's wife had already been hit and while I didn't see the incident, it's a lot easier to envision a scenario where you're defending another person, where shooting the motorist is a lot more defensible both from a common sense and legal standpoint.
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
I stop when I need to yield right of way. It affects me in that it keeps me from getting killed or injured. I don't stop unless I need to stop to yield right of way.
I'd be willing to bet that you break the law every time you drive. Am I right or wrong?
Interestingly, studies have shown that motorists and cyclists break the law at about the same rate. Motorists do it for reasons of convenience. Cyclists do it more for safety.
What's the goal of the thread? To bash or defend bikers in general or to talk about this specific incident? Thus far I've only done the latter, but I've got some shixt to say about biking if that's what we're doing.
I wonder if the bicyclists weâre in a Cholo gang area, maybe not a great area to ride in. Around here if a bicyclist blows through a stop he will get a ticket if there is a cop around.
The majority of bicyclists that are inconsiderate and blow through stops are the club riders, especially the race club riders. I call them Wienies. Then there are the Eurowienies who ride the high end bikes: Maziâs, Colnagoâs, Pinarelloâs, Cervelloâs, Van Ryselâs, etc.
Most solo or small group riders arenât inconsiderate around here.
I have ridden quite a few miles on public highways on a bicycle as well as a motorcycle....the traffic laws should be respected by both . Courtesy goes a long way in building a positive image.
Many years ago when driving west on I-80 just out of Salt Lake City in my F-250, I was at interstate speed, negotiating a pretty sharp right hand curve. At this time, I ran up behind a bicyclist, also west bound, fully in the center of the right lane I was occupying. I had to make a quick evasive maneuver into the left lane to avoid shoving 6K pounds of F 250 up his ass. The radical lane change jeopardized those in my vehicle, and had there been anyone to my left, I would have either taken out the cyclist or sideswiped the other motorist. I really wanted to stop and introduce the sob to the shovel I had in the back of the truck......but, was already late getting to the airport.
Summary, I have little sympathy for any cyclist (bicycle or motorcycle) that violates the law or common courtesy on the roadways. memtb
Good shoot is good shoot - regardless of who does it.
One good shoot by an annoying sub-culture of people doesn't absolve the entire/larger sub-culture of its sins either tho. So in the end "meh".
Can you delineate the sins and speak specifically to how they have affected you?
Repeated running of stop signs, riding against the flow of traffic, blocking intersections so the "group" can come through at a blistering 8 mph etc.
Don't act ignorant - you KNOW the cycling community doesn't have the best reputation with society at large. I know, you're part of it and would never do the above listed annoying things. Not talking about you - talking about the group.
How has that affected you?
99% of the motoring public think bike riders are selfish arrogant pricks. Trying to convince us that we're wrong by being a selfish arrogant prick probably isn't a winning strategy.
I have ridden quite a few miles on public highways on a bicycle as well as a motorcycle....the traffic laws should be respected by both . Courtesy goes a long way in building a positive image.
Many years ago when driving west on I-80 just out of Salt Lake City in my F-250, I was at interstate speed, negotiating a pretty sharp right hand curve. At this time, I ran up behind a bicyclist, also west bound, fully in the center of the right lane I was occupying. I had to make a quick evasive maneuver into the left lane to avoid shoving 6K pounds of F 250 up his ass. The radical lane change jeopardized those in my vehicle, and had there been anyone to my left, I would have either taken out the cyclist or sideswiped the other motorist. I really wanted to stop and introduce the sob to the shovel I had in the back of the truck......but, was already late getting to the airport.
Summary, I have little sympathy for any cyclist (bicycle or motorcycle) that violates the law or common courtesy on the roadways. memtb
As a motorcyclist, I had it drilled into my head that there was danger in outdriving my line of sight.
Don't we all violate the law when we drive? I do. Everyone I have ever ridden with does. Every person who is honest has told me they do. A few MPH over the speed limit? Slow rolling a stop or right turn on red? Not signaling a lane change or turn? When I find a person who never has or never does break the law, that person can lecture me.
I am always courteous when operating any mode of conveyance.
Good shoot is good shoot - regardless of who does it.
One good shoot by an annoying sub-culture of people doesn't absolve the entire/larger sub-culture of its sins either tho. So in the end "meh".
Can you delineate the sins and speak specifically to how they have affected you?
Repeated running of stop signs, riding against the flow of traffic, blocking intersections so the "group" can come through at a blistering 8 mph etc.
Don't act ignorant - you KNOW the cycling community doesn't have the best reputation with society at large. I know, you're part of it and would never do the above listed annoying things. Not talking about you - talking about the group.
How has that affected you?
99% of the motoring public think bike riders are selfish arrogant pricks. Trying to convince us that we're wrong by being a selfish arrogant prick probably isn't a winning strategy.
Trying to convince anyone that they are wrong is a fools errand. That doesn't mean people aren't wrong.
just kidding here, but the shooter must purchase his firearms from a different place than some of yours.
PS, I hate dicks that ride on sideWALKS.
LOLOL. No doubt. You touched on something that strikes at the heart of problems cyclists face. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Half the public wants cyclists on the sidewalk. The other half wants them to stay off the sidewalk.
Sidewalk cycling is rife with hazards. That's why it's illegal in many areas.
I have ridden quite a few miles on public highways on a bicycle as well as a motorcycle....the traffic laws should be respected by both . Courtesy goes a long way in building a positive image.
Many years ago when driving west on I-80 just out of Salt Lake City in my F-250, I was at interstate speed, negotiating a pretty sharp right hand curve. At this time, I ran up behind a bicyclist, also west bound, fully in the center of the right lane I was occupying. I had to make a quick evasive maneuver into the left lane to avoid shoving 6K pounds of F 250 up his ass. The radical lane change jeopardized those in my vehicle, and had there been anyone to my left, I would have either taken out the cyclist or sideswiped the other motorist. I really wanted to stop and introduce the sob to the shovel I had in the back of the truck......but, was already late getting to the airport.
Summary, I have little sympathy for any cyclist (bicycle or motorcycle) that violates the law or common courtesy on the roadways. memtb
As a motorcyclist, I had it drilled into my head that there was danger in outdriving my line of sight.
Don't we all violate the law when we drive? I do. Everyone I have ever ridden with does. Every person who is honest has told me they do. A few MPH over the speed limit? Slow rolling a stop or right turn on red? Not signaling a lane change or turn? When I find a person who never has or never does break the law, that person can lecture me.
I am always courteous when operating any mode of conveyance.
Paul as you know, our area is a Mecca for cyclists and in the main most all are considerate and safety conscious but it wasnât always like that with the noticeable changes coming after the sad death of Councilman Buddy Amoroso and the maiming of his riding partner.
Now weâre seeing most all riders using rear flashing red led strobes and the bright white front led strobes. Their visibility is so much better improved by these simple things.
We have many cycling events in our area every year and these are accompanied by the presence of Sheriffâs deputies at all critical intersections and even reserving the whole right lanes of Hwy 61 with pylons for the riders and competitors.
Safety here has been a two way street for motorists and cyclists but it took that tragedy to initiate meaningful changes. Overall, cyclists are very much welcomed here.
I have ridden quite a few miles on public highways on a bicycle as well as a motorcycle....the traffic laws should be respected by both . Courtesy goes a long way in building a positive image.
Many years ago when driving west on I-80 just out of Salt Lake City in my F-250, I was at interstate speed, negotiating a pretty sharp right hand curve. At this time, I ran up behind a bicyclist, also west bound, fully in the center of the right lane I was occupying. I had to make a quick evasive maneuver into the left lane to avoid shoving 6K pounds of F 250 up his ass. The radical lane change jeopardized those in my vehicle, and had there been anyone to my left, I would have either taken out the cyclist or sideswiped the other motorist. I really wanted to stop and introduce the sob to the shovel I had in the back of the truck......but, was already late getting to the airport.
Summary, I have little sympathy for any cyclist (bicycle or motorcycle) that violates the law or common courtesy on the roadways. memtb
As a motorcyclist, I had it drilled into my head that there was danger in outdriving my line of sight.
Don't we all violate the law when we drive? I do. Everyone I have ever ridden with does. Every person who is honest has told me they do. A few MPH over the speed limit? Slow rolling a stop or right turn on red? Not signaling a lane change or turn? When I find a person who never has or never does break the law, that person can lecture me.
I am always courteous when operating any mode of conveyance.
Paul as you know, our area is a Mecca for cyclists and in the main most all are considerate and safety conscious but it wasnât always like that with the noticeable changes coming after the sad death of Councilman Buddy Amoroso and the maiming of his riding partner.
Now weâre seeing most all riders using rear flashing red led strobes and the bright white front led strobes. Their visibility is so much better improved by these simple things.
We have many cycling events in our area every year and these are accompanied by the presence of Sheriffâs deputies at all critical intersections and even reserving the whole right lanes of Hwy 61 with pylons for the riders and competitors.
Safety here has been a two way street for motorists and cyclists but it took that tragedy to initiate meaningful changes. Overall, cyclists are very much welcomed here.
When I ride on the road, I typically wear bright clothes and sometimes use a rear flasher if the circumstances warrant. The truth is that it's very easy to see a cyclist in daylight, no matter what they are wearing. Using bright color and lights is an effort to try to command the attention of the marginally engaged away from their distraction.
We have a group of bicyclist in our small town that think they own the road and spread from the white to the yellow line. I will be glad when someone accidentally hits one of them because they sure cause traffic issues.
We have a group of bicyclist in our small town that think they own the road and spread from the white to the yellow line. I will be glad when someone accidentally hits one of them because they sure cause traffic issues.
Nothing quite as agonizing is those big small town traffic issues. Weaponizing a motor vehicle can get an idiot shot.
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
Yes why can't the bicyclists stop for the damned stop signs? Would you just walk out in front of a moving car?
We have a group of bicyclist in our small town that think they own the road and spread from the white to the yellow line. I will be glad when someone accidentally hits one of them because they sure cause traffic issues.
Nothing quite as agonizing is those big small town traffic issues. Weaponizing a motor vehicle can get an idiot shot.
Maybe so but creating road rage incidents can get a bicyclist run over.
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
Yes why can't the bicyclists stop for the damned stop signs? Would you just walk out in front of a moving car?
I hear that "cyclists blow through" stop signs all the time in these discussions. I drive between 25,000 and 40,000 miles a year in all kinds of traffic situations. I have never witnessed a cyclist "blow through" an intersection without looking. I have never had to brake for one failing to yield right of way and have never witnessed anyone else have to. Accident data isn't great, but what we have tells us that it's not common that cyclist are hit while "blowing through" stop signs or stop lights. The bottom line is that it doesn't happen often. Even with the subset of the cycling population that doesn't qualify for a driver's license. On the very rare occasions cyclists are hit when they fail to yield right of way, it rarely injures the other party.
Running stop signs and traffic lights is a very common cause of serious motor vehicle crashes. Save your indignation for something that fugging matters.
In our small town there are places they there are bike trails and the bikes still ride two abreast down the road.I wonder why if they ride on the roads why not plate them and let them help with the road costs.
We have a group of bicyclist in our small town that think they own the road and spread from the white to the yellow line. I will be glad when someone accidentally hits one of them because they sure cause traffic issues.
Nothing quite as agonizing is those big small town traffic issues. Weaponizing a motor vehicle can get an idiot shot.
Maybe so but creating road rage incidents can get a bicyclist run over.
Running over cyclists can get motorists shot. See the OP. I know it's fun to invoke the rule of gross tonnage and use it it bully, but some cyclists are prepared to get real on a bully.
In our small town there are places they there are bike trails and the bikes still ride two abreast down the road.I wonder why if they ride on the roads why not plate them and let them help with the road costs.
Can you tell me how your municipal, county/borough, state and federal roadways are funded? While you are advocating for more government, why not advocate that pedestrians who walk on the road have plates too?
Good shoot by the Mexican. I had a smallish seat bag I carried a Security Six in while riding. It barely fit and woulda been a pain to retrieve quickly, but still....
There is a road near the house that I routinely travel. Horrible road to cycle on. Low visibility with tight turns, rises and dips, vegetation, absolutely no shoulder. Every once in a while thereâll be some douchebag or three riding on it. One of them gonna get splatted sooner or later. Just hope it ainât me driving when it happens. Thatâd ruin my day.
Good shoot by the Mexican. I had a smallish seat bag I carried a Security Six in while riding. It barely fit and woulda been a pain to retrieve quickly, but still....
There is a road near the house that I routinely travel. Horrible road to cycle on. Low visibility with tight turns, rises and dips, vegetation, absolutely no shoulder. Every once in a while thereâll be some douchebag or three riding on it. One of them gonna get splatted sooner or later. Just hope it ainât me driving when it happens. Thatâd ruin my day.
You always have the option of not outdriving your line of sight!
In our small town there are places they there are bike trails and the bikes still ride two abreast down the road.I wonder why if they ride on the roads why not plate them and let them help with the road costs.
Can you tell me how your municipal, county/borough, state and federal roadways are funded? While you are advocating for more government, why not advocate that pedestrians who walk on the road have plates too?
Pedestrians do not have the legal right to walk in the travel portion of the highway and impede traffic but I would be ok with a state permit for use of a public road for whatever purpose. On another note, it may just be my mistaken perception but adult male bicycle riders seem to have sugar in their gas.
In our small town there are places they there are bike trails and the bikes still ride two abreast down the road.I wonder why if they ride on the roads why not plate them and let them help with the road costs.
Can you tell me how your municipal, county/borough, state and federal roadways are funded? While you are advocating for more government, why not advocate that pedestrians who walk on the road have plates too?
Pedestrians do not have the legal right to walk in the travel portion of the highway and impede traffic but I would be ok with a state permit for use of a public road for whatever purpose. On another note, it may just be my mistaken perception but adult male bicycle riders seem to have sugar in their gas.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
I usually lift off the gas, downshift to get the Rs up, then punch it while passing to give them a good whiff of the cat. My old pre cat car that badly needed rings fogged for skeeters when I did this which was even better.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
I usually lift off the gas, downshift to get the Rs up, then punch it while passing to give them a good whiff of the cat. My old pre cat car that badly needed rings fogged for skeeters when I did this which was even better.
Yeah, that one really gets me. It's just horrible I tell you.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
And motorists don't have that sense of entitlement?
After all those roads were developed for motorized vehicles. Maybe a minimum speed limit would help.Kind of hard to maintain 45 MPH.
Hastings,
if you look into the history of many roads, in many states, most follow routes that were around for generations before motorized traffic. Many routes go back to foot and horseback paths. And many, if not most of those routes were developed for wagon use, then long after that were improved for motorized use.
In a number of areas, in various States I've lived in, when and if a road is designed and built entirely for motorized traffic along a historic route, pedestrian, equestrian, and bicycle type traffic is directed to use the older sections of road when still available. If the old route no longer is usable, then slower traffic is allowed to use the new road, up to and including Interstate freeways in some places. I've even seen push buttons for cyclists to use that turn on lights to notify motorists that there is a cyclist on the road.
Basically, in the 7 or so States I've lived in, "most" roads are multi purpose and folks are allowed to use them with most any method of conveyance they choose.
Good luck never out driving your line of sight. Good luck with everyone else following suit. After all, it only your life at risk.
Might as well roll through Garfield Park at 01:00. After all, itâs your legal right. đ
I get what you are saying about how pesky it is to drive within your line of sight. Hell, when I am hunting I can't be bothered with going through the trouble of identifying my target. Other hunters may have the legal right to romp around in the woods, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
And motorists don't have that sense of entitlement?
After all those roads were developed for motorized vehicles. Maybe a minimum speed limit would help.Kind of hard to maintain 45 MPH.
Hastings,
if you look into the history of many roads, in many states, most follow routes that were around for generations before motorized traffic. Many routes go back to foot and horseback paths. And many, if not most of those routes were developed for wagon use, then long after that were improved for motorized use.
In a number of areas, in various States I've lived in, when and if a road is designed and built entirely for motorized traffic along a historic route, pedestrian, equestrian, and bicycle type traffic is directed to use the older sections of road when still available. If the old route no longer is usable, then slower traffic is allowed to use the new road, up to and including Interstate freeways in some places. I've even seen push buttons for cyclists to use that turn on lights to notify motorists that there is a cyclist on the road.
Basically, in the 7 or so States I've lived in, "most" roads are multi purpose and folks are allowed to use them with most any method of conveyance they choose.
Good luck never out driving your line of sight. Good luck with everyone else following suit. After all, it only your life at risk.
Might as well roll through Garfield Park at 01:00. After all, itâs your legal right. đ
I get what you are saying about how pesky it is to drive within your line of sight. Hell, when I am hunting I can't be bothered with going through the trouble of identifying my target. Other hunters may have the legal right to romp around in the woods, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Oh lord. You are one reaching SOB.
Someone honk at you this morning on your ride? You seem more cranky and irrational than normal.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
And motorists don't have that sense of entitlement?
After all those roads were developed for motorized vehicles. Maybe a minimum speed limit would help.Kind of hard to maintain 45 MPH.
Hastings,
if you look into the history of many roads, in many states, most follow routes that were around for generations before motorized traffic. Many routes go back to foot and horseback paths. And many, if not most of those routes were developed for wagon use, then long after that were improved for motorized use.
In a number of areas, in various States I've lived in, when and if a road is designed and built entirely for motorized traffic along a historic route, pedestrian, equestrian, and bicycle type traffic is directed to use the older sections of road when still available. If the old route no longer is usable, then slower traffic is allowed to use the new road, up to and including Interstate freeways in some places. I've even seen push buttons for cyclists to use that turn on lights to notify motorists that there is a cyclist on the road.
Basically, in the 7 or so States I've lived in, "most" roads are multi purpose and folks are allowed to use them with most any method of conveyance they choose.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
And motorists don't have that sense of entitlement?
After all those roads were developed for motorized vehicles. Maybe a minimum speed limit would help.Kind of hard to maintain 45 MPH.
Hastings,
if you look into the history of many roads, in many states, most follow routes that were around for generations before motorized traffic. Many routes go back to foot and horseback paths. And many, if not most of those routes were developed for wagon use, then long after that were improved for motorized use.
In a number of areas, in various States I've lived in, when and if a road is designed and built entirely for motorized traffic along a historic route, pedestrian, equestrian, and bicycle type traffic is directed to use the older sections of road when still available. If the old route no longer is usable, then slower traffic is allowed to use the new road, up to and including Interstate freeways in some places. I've even seen push buttons for cyclists to use that turn on lights to notify motorists that there is a cyclist on the road.
Basically, in the 7 or so States I've lived in, "most" roads are multi purpose and folks are allowed to use them with most any method of conveyance they choose.
Including them damn Amish buggies!
But the Amish don't wear spandex.
How do you know?
Have you been looking up Amish gals' skirts?
âI thought she was smuggling a tomato bush!â đ
Not sure which is worse. Tourons with campers they don't know how to pull, or peddle bikers. Both can are incredible frustrating and can cause an already inherently dangerous situation exponentially worse.
Of course there are peddle bikers that do so responsibly, just as there are camper pullers that know how to drive their rigs. But entitlement in both camps makes it hard to remember that sometimes.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
And motorists don't have that sense of entitlement?
After all those roads were developed for motorized vehicles. Maybe a minimum speed limit would help.Kind of hard to maintain 45 MPH.
Hastings,
if you look into the history of many roads, in many states, most follow routes that were around for generations before motorized traffic. Many routes go back to foot and horseback paths. And many, if not most of those routes were developed for wagon use, then long after that were improved for motorized use.
In a number of areas, in various States I've lived in, when and if a road is designed and built entirely for motorized traffic along a historic route, pedestrian, equestrian, and bicycle type traffic is directed to use the older sections of road when still available. If the old route no longer is usable, then slower traffic is allowed to use the new road, up to and including Interstate freeways in some places. I've even seen push buttons for cyclists to use that turn on lights to notify motorists that there is a cyclist on the road.
Basically, in the 7 or so States I've lived in, "most" roads are multi purpose and folks are allowed to use them with most any method of conveyance they choose.
Including them damn Amish buggies!
But the Amish don't wear spandex.
How do you know?
Have you been looking up Amish gals' skirts?
âI thought she was smuggling a tomato bush!â đ
Good luck never out driving your line of sight. Good luck with everyone else following suit. After all, it only your life at risk.
Might as well roll through Garfield Park at 01:00. After all, itâs your legal right. đ
I get what you are saying about how pesky it is to drive within your line of sight. Hell, when I am hunting I can't be bothered with going through the trouble of identifying my target. Other hunters may have the legal right to romp around in the woods, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Oh lord. You are one reaching SOB.
Someone honk at you this morning on your ride? You seem more cranky and irrational than normal.
Think about what you are saying dude. You are giving yourself permission to outdrive your line of sight. I think that's absurd. And I am the one that's irrational? I can't tell you how many times I have saved my own bacon by being ready for what's around the corner. If I ever drop my guard and have an accident because I wasn't prepared for what's around the corner, then I'll not shirk my responsibility. I have a hunch my insurance company, law enforcement and a civil trial jury will find me responsible as well.
Not sure which is worse. Tourons with campers they don't know how to pull, or peddle bikers. Both can are incredible frustrating and can cause an already inherently dangerous situation exponentially worse.
Of course there are peddle bikers that do so responsibly, just as there are camper pullers that know how to drive their rigs. But entitlement in both camps makes it hard to remember that sometimes.
A few summers ago I was bicycling Colorado 114 going from Gunnison to Saguache. It is a narrow, winding 55 MPH road with no shoulder for much of its length. It's a low traffic road. Only one time along the way did a motorist have to slow for me. It was as I was approaching a curve with no place to get off the road. The curve had a 35MPH caution. Just as soon as we rounded the curve and the motorist could see far enough ahead they passed at a safe distance. I waved in appreciation.
At one point I noticed that I hadn't been passed in quite a while. I soon learned why. A motorhome came up behind me. There was a gravel turn out so I removed myself from the road. There were 18 vehicles stacked up behind the motorhome.
But cyclists are the big problem, because spandex and blowing stop signs.
You go right on relying on motorists to not make mistakes on roads with very little forgiveness and are inherently dangerous.
Most of us will continue to ride roads with bike lanes, or at least good visibility and wide shoulders. Hell, low traffic is even a plus.
I prefer low traffic roads with shoulders. Unfortunately they don't always put them in the places I want to ride. Thankfully, my ears still work well enough that I can hear potential problems coming from around the bend behind me. I don't hesitate to remove myself from the road if it is at all possible.
Buck that's a pretty shi-tty thing to wish for. you sure would feel bad if it was a member of your family.
I don't ride pavement anymore due to the number of distracted drivers (and dislike of spandex) however the rode rage has gotten better in recent years. Its far safer on multi lane roads to ride the middle of the lane rather than the side with people trying to squeeze by and clipping you with their mirrors. I am amazed at the number of people riding after dark on extremely congested roads
i try to stick to off-road or gravel roads usually with flashers. Wouldn't ride a road bike on sidewalks due to the speed 20+mph, but sidewalks on a mountian bike at around 12-13mph is ok. The number of idiots with music blasting so loud they couldn't hear a freight train while meandering from side to side on the sidewalk is scary.
i try to be courteous to both motorist and pedestrians. I don't know of any group rides where people blow thru traffic lights as that would be a death wish. I can see "california rolling stops" happening on some neighborhood roads more frequently just like cars.
It seems people always dislike what they don't understand. funny thing is when hikers try to get bikes banned on trails the bikers built and maintain again usually because of accidents the hikers cause by not paying attention with the music blasting in their ears. Almost speared a lady once because she was standing in the middle of a trail looking down at her phone
BTW bikes are banned on freeways and interstate roads. Cities are doing a better job at designating bike routes, but not so much at funding bike lanes- which I understand is probably not fiscally possible in many areas.
Buck that's a pretty shi-tty thing to wish for. you sure would feel bad if it was a member of your family.
I don't ride pavement anymore due to the number of distracted drivers (and dislike of spandex) however the rode rage has gotten better in recent years. Its far safer on multi lane roads to ride the middle of the lane rather than the side with people trying to squeeze by and clipping you with their mirrors. I am amazed at the number of people riding after dark on extremely congested roads
i try to stick to off-road or gravel roads usually with flashers. Wouldn't ride a road bike on sidewalks due to the speed 20+mph, but sidewalks on a mountian bike at around 12-13mph is ok. The number of idiots with music blasting so loud they couldn't hear a freight train while meandering from side to side on the sidewalk is scary.
i try to be courteous to both motorist and pedestrians. I don't know of any group rides where people blow thru traffic lights as that would be a death wish. I can see "california rolling stops" happening on some neighborhood roads more frequently just like cars.
It seems people always dislike what they don't understand. funny thing is when hikers try to get bikes banned on trails the bikers built and maintain again usually because of accidents the hikers cause by not paying attention with the music blasting in their ears. Almost speared a lady once because she was standing in the middle of a trail looking down at her phone
BTW bikes are banned on freeways and interstate roads. Cities are doing a better job at designating bike routes, but not so much at funding bike lanes- which I understand is probably not fiscally possible in many areas.
That is entirely too reasonable. If I had the option of riding off road here, I dang sure would.
I have ridden quite a few miles on public highways on a bicycle as well as a motorcycle....the traffic laws should be respected by both . Courtesy goes a long way in building a positive image.
Many years ago when driving west on I-80 just out of Salt Lake City in my F-250, I was at interstate speed, negotiating a pretty sharp right hand curve. At this time, I ran up behind a bicyclist, also west bound, fully in the center of the right lane I was occupying. I had to make a quick evasive maneuver into the left lane to avoid shoving 6K pounds of F 250 up his ass. The radical lane change jeopardized those in my vehicle, and had there been anyone to my left, I would have either taken out the cyclist or sideswiped the other motorist. I really wanted to stop and introduce the sob to the shovel I had in the back of the truck......but, was already late getting to the airport.
Summary, I have little sympathy for any cyclist (bicycle or motorcycle) that violates the law or common courtesy on the roadways. memtb
As a motorcyclist, I had it drilled into my head that there was danger in outdriving my line of sight.
Don't we all violate the law when we drive? I do. Everyone I have ever ridden with does. Every person who is honest has told me they do. A few MPH over the speed limit? Slow rolling a stop or right turn on red? Not signaling a lane change or turn? When I find a person who never has or never does break the law, that person can lecture me.
I am always courteous when operating any mode of conveyance.
Paul as you know, our area is a Mecca for cyclists and in the main most all are considerate and safety conscious but it wasnât always like that with the noticeable changes coming after the sad death of Councilman Buddy Amoroso and the maiming of his riding partner.
Now weâre seeing most all riders using rear flashing red led strobes and the bright white front led strobes. Their visibility is so much better improved by these simple things.
We have many cycling events in our area every year and these are accompanied by the presence of Sheriffâs deputies at all critical intersections and even reserving the whole right lanes of Hwy 61 with pylons for the riders and competitors.
Safety here has been a two way street for motorists and cyclists but it took that tragedy to initiate meaningful changes. Overall, cyclists are very much welcomed here.
When I ride on the road, I typically wear bright clothes and sometimes use a rear flasher if the circumstances warrant. The truth is that it's very easy to see a cyclist in daylight, no matter what they are wearing. Using bright color and lights is an effort to try to command the attention of the marginally engaged away from their distraction.
Flashers are always warranted when you consider our area with winding, hilly, 2 lane roads where the large trees on either side of the road touch each other forming a dark canopy in broad daylight.
Consider elderly people driving those same roads (55 mph speed limit). Consider it starting to rain. Consider log truck traffic. Consider quite a bit of farm and ranching heavy equipment being pulled on goosenecks and bumpers.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Funny how the law requires I buy tags for my truck to spin wheels on the public roads. So yes via the law you are entitled.
To be honest I'm kind of surprised they haven't come up with a bicycle and bicycle parts version of the Pittman-Robertson(?) tax. I think that is the name of the tax that shooters pay. It would at least put a dent in the cost of bicycle paths.
Do some people wake up every morning and say "well those damn bicycle people are lurking out there to ruin my day".
Biketards are becoming as tiresome as tiresome as are covtards.
#whiningisgoodcardiotoo
mike r
Yes some do.
Not me though.
It's those damn folks getting fuel, going in to pay afterwards an then deciding they need to scheidt and do their weekly chip and jerky shopping, Then they come out and have to wash the bugs off the windshield, and check tire pressure.
They're out there to ruin my day...........................even when I don't go to town.........................I know they're there.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
As is evidenced by this post, there are truly dumb people out there and they drive. That said, I am not afraid of my own shadow. Life is not free of risks. Nearly 40,000 motorists per year are killed by other motorists every year in this country. Yet, there you are, out there mixing it up with other stupid drivers.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
As is evidenced by this post, there are truly dumb people out there and they drive. That said, I am not afraid of my own shadow. Life is not free of risks. Nearly 40,000 motorists per year are killed by other motorists every year in this country. Yet, there you are, out there mixing it up with other stupid drivers.
Boo!
I donât think thatâs the roads he described that are very prevalent in my area.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
As is evidenced by this post, there are truly dumb people out there and they drive. That said, I am not afraid of my own shadow. Life is not free of risks. Nearly 40,000 motorists per year are killed by other motorists every year in this country. Yet, there you are, out there mixing it up with other stupid drivers.
Boo!
I donât think thatâs the roads he described that are very prevalent in my area.
It's never easy figuring out on which roads a moron would justify a motorist running over a cyclist. Hell, some folks would find joy in a driver running over a sidewalk cyclist if that cyclist was wearing spandex.
Well fat man on a bicycle, what could happen! Bicycles should be licensed and have a mileage road tax applied! Because many drive cars also, doesn't mean others should pay for the bike lanes!
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
Yes why can't the bicyclists stop for the damned stop signs? Would you just walk out in front of a moving car?
I hear that "cyclists blow through" stop signs all the time in these discussions. I drive between 25,000 and 40,000 miles a year in all kinds of traffic situations. I have never witnessed a cyclist "blow through" an intersection without looking. I have never had to brake for one failing to yield right of way and have never witnessed anyone else have to. Accident data isn't great, but what we have tells us that it's not common that cyclist are hit while "blowing through" stop signs or stop lights. The bottom line is that it doesn't happen often. Even with the subset of the cycling population that doesn't qualify for a driver's license. On the very rare occasions cyclists are hit when they fail to yield right of way, it rarely injures the other party.
Running stop signs and traffic lights is a very common cause of serious motor vehicle crashes. Save your indignation for something that fugging matters.
Well I had several choices, I suppose, when the whole pack of spandex-wearing jerks 'blew through' the stop sign................ It forced MY oncoming traffic to move into my lane, I guess I could have used his lane and ran over the bikers, or stay in my lane and hit the oncoming car, but I chose to take to the ditch....................
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
They use the road and then don't like it when you pull up behind them and follow............... they must not like it, because they will wave you around, on a curve, up a hill, with a double yellow!?!?!?!?!?!?
Keep riding those bicycles on the highway. You will find what you are looking for. You may even be ''dead right''. Hope I'm not involved, I hate paperwork.
I live on a road that is part of a popular 40 mile route for cyclists and very few cyclists actually stop at the 4 way intersection I can see from my kitchen window. Of course the same is true of cars too.
Personally I always stop at whether in a vehicle or on one of my bikes it after seeing the aftermath of a southbound motorist who blew through it at a high rate of speed and ended up rolling his car through the fence. I did blow a stop sign on my bicycle one day. I had a good tailwind and forgot that gravel road intersection had a stop sign for the road I was on. North/South has a stop sign and East/West are thru traffic. I've remembered every time since then though.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
They use the road and then don't like it when you pull up behind them and follow............... they must not like it, because they will wave you around, on a curve, up a hill, with a double yellow!?!?!?!?!?!?
I communicate with motorists behind me using hand signals. Should I not?
Keep riding those bicycles on the highway. You will find what you are looking for. You may even be ''dead right''. Hope I'm not involved, I hate paperwork.
About 6000 pedestrians are killed in the USA each year. That's roughly 8 times more than the number of cyclists killed. Are you afraid to cross the road? Did those 150 pound pedestrians have it coming?
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
Well - as someone who's driving and someone blows a stop sign, I locked up my brakes and for the split second was thinking I was going to kill someone. Not a great feeling. I don't know if you've ever been responsible for someone losing their life, even not directly, but I have and it's an uber [bleep] feeling. One I don't need again because some idiot in a unitard wants to be "legal on the road same as cars" but unwilling to follow the same rules.
People in cars make mistakes too but I've yet to see a motorist run EVERY red light/stop sign they come across like cyclists do. It's not a "mistake" it's willful disregard followed by indignation at the guy doing it the right way when they're almost wiped out.
How would stopping for the stop sign affect you as a cyclist?
Yes why can't the bicyclists stop for the damned stop signs? Would you just walk out in front of a moving car?
I hear that "cyclists blow through" stop signs all the time in these discussions. I drive between 25,000 and 40,000 miles a year in all kinds of traffic situations. I have never witnessed a cyclist "blow through" an intersection without looking. I have never had to brake for one failing to yield right of way and have never witnessed anyone else have to. Accident data isn't great, but what we have tells us that it's not common that cyclist are hit while "blowing through" stop signs or stop lights. The bottom line is that it doesn't happen often. Even with the subset of the cycling population that doesn't qualify for a driver's license. On the very rare occasions cyclists are hit when they fail to yield right of way, it rarely injures the other party.
Running stop signs and traffic lights is a very common cause of serious motor vehicle crashes. Save your indignation for something that fugging matters.
Paul, I don't ride near as much as you but did in a previous life. I worked in bike shops for 10 years and it was a huge part of my life for longer than that. I've witnessed many cyclists fail to stop at stop signs and traffic lights over the years and would say it is more the norm than not. In my experience, the majority of cyclists slow down approaching an intersection, and if they think they can make it through without conflict, continue through without stopping (red light or not).
With motorists sitting there waiting their turn, I think that practice is what creates hostility with motorists and may be what some are referring to here. I'm respectful to cyclists, but they don't do themselves any favors by not observing the same traffic rules as motorists.
FWIW, a former coworker of mine is in a wheel chair for the rest of his life for exactly this - 'blowing' through a stop sign, and I'd venture to say it happens more than you elude to in your above comment.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Well if politicians and bike riders agree that bikes should legally be able to use roads designed for cars, why should people with common sense object? I mean, aren't politicians and bike riders the smartest people around, in their own minds?
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Well if politicians and bike riders agree that bikes should legally be able to use roads designed for cars, why should people with common sense object? I mean, aren't politicians and bike riders the smartest people around, in their own minds?
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by MadMooner
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by copperking81
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
Hey! He wants to ride there, so f you! The politicians said he could.
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
What is road tax and what percentage of municipal, county, state and federal road construction and maintenance costs does it cover?
I cannot stand some neon colored spandex wearing bicyclist on a public road. Are they that stupid and ignorant to understand theyâll lose a high speed impact crash with a passenger vehicle EVERY DAMN TIME? Lol
I bet VarmintGoy was a bicyclist in the 70s. Thatâs the last time he could raise his knees more than 20% upward. LMAO
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
What is road tax and what percentage of municipal, county, state and federal road construction and maintenance costs does it cover?
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
Itâs called taxes, Barnyard. Now if you canât at least act like more of a guy than a girl , then you best just GTFO of here. I hear Old Toot has a real nice apartment for rent in you twoâs fine state of Louisiana.
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
What is road tax and what percentage of municipal, county, state and federal road construction and maintenance costs does it cover?
How much does your bicycle contribute?
Simple question.
No, it is not a simple question. If you understood how roads were funded, you'd know why it isn't simple.
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
What is road tax and what percentage of municipal, county, state and federal road construction and maintenance costs does it cover?
How much does your bicycle contribute?
Simple question.
No, it is not a simple question. If you understood how roads were funded, you'd know why it isn't simple.
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
What is road tax and what percentage of municipal, county, state and federal road construction and maintenance costs does it cover?
How much does your bicycle contribute?
Simple question.
No, it is not a simple question. If you understood how roads were funded, you'd know why it isn't simple.
How much does your bicycle contribute?
Go do some homework. When you can ask an informed question, I'll answer it.
Pretty simple to me. The roads are built for transportation and commerce. Not, amusement. Built, designed and paid for by licensed motor vehicles. Thasts who, and how, they should be used.
If you are using a bike from A to B and back, you meet some of that. Thing is, most cyclists aren't. Even if they are. As bike isn't their transportation, going somewhere on the bike is still amusement. They use motorized transport, mostly.
The roads are funded by license registration and motor fuels taxes. Not spandex and clip on shoes.
Deal with Amish and farm equipment here, regularly. The Flat Hat Freightliners, two wheelers are their transportation. They try to avoid traffic and stay out of the way.
Most farmers do the same. A few enjoy the "Power" of their ability to screw with people. But it's not as blatant as 10 nitwits clustered up 2x2 going 25mph and holding position. "Because it's their right".
They should need a SMV sign on their bike. And a 12" red flashing light. Observable from 360 degrees simultaneously, and visible from 1000ft in normal daylight(but not blinding in darkness) as it flashes at 1000 lumens every 1 1/2 second.đđ
You are ignorant on how roads are funded. Go do some homework, come back, and grace us with your newfound knowledge.
How much road tax does your bicycle contribute compared to an 18 Wheeler? A personal gas or diesel vehicle ?
What is road tax and what percentage of municipal, county, state and federal road construction and maintenance costs does it cover?
How much does your bicycle contribute?
Simple question.
No, it is not a simple question. If you understood how roads were funded, you'd know why it isn't simple.
How much does your bicycle contribute?
Go do some homework. When you can ask an informed question, I'll answer it.
They use the road and then don't like it when you pull up behind them and follow............... they must not like it, because they will wave you around, on a curve, up a hill, with a double yellow!?
The hell you say!
Paul, would this really happen? Safe or unsafe? Common or uncommon? Just basic cyclist on motorist courtesy?
They use the road and then don't like it when you pull up behind them and follow............... they must not like it, because they will wave you around, on a curve, up a hill, with a double yellow!?
The hell you say!
Paul, would this really happen? Safe or unsafe? Common or uncommon? Just basic cyclist on motorist courtesy?
Here's the way I roll. If I am on the road on my bicycle and a motorist comes up behind behind me, I look over my shoulder, mainly to send the signal that I am processing that they are there. I may have a vantage point that allows me to see what they can't as they approach. Something like I have topped a hill enough to see that there is a truck coming. I may hold up my hand to suggest that they wait. They can do what they want to with that information. I may see that there are no vehicles coming and wave them around. They can do what they want to with that information. The same can be said for when I am driving my tractor to the shop for service.
When I drive my pickup truck, I give other drivers information that they can use if they choose. An 18 wheeler may be signaling that they want to move into the left lane of a divide 4 lane interstate to make a pass. I'll likely flash my lights to signal that I am okay with them coming out into the left lane in front of me. I may motion for a motorist leaving the Dollar General parking lot into stop and go traffic to go ahead of me. In both cases the motorists can do what they want to with the info.
Communicating with other road users in various ways is part and parcel of life on our shared roadways.
Yep, you are... well motorists only carry 66% of the burden in my state. The rest is general taxes. But I'd love to see an honest answer. Considering most of those motorist (only) people are paying wayyyyy more of the general taxes, than the relatively few adult cyclists.
Lies, dam lies, and statistics.
Read the cyclist friendly articles on this, they conviently leave out the part of cycling vs non cycling adult taxpayers.
The issue isn't so much riding, it's attitude.
Simple rules for manners are to not inconvience others unnecessarily, and try not to offend.
In the mean time, thousands of young single men from Central America are being flown in to the US by Biden in passenger planes and then bussed all over the country, with thousands going to Ft Bliss to be put up on our dime. Humm. To become like Hitlers brown shirts?
Yep, you are... well motorists only carry 66% of the burden in my state. The rest is general taxes. But I'd love to see an honest answer. Considering most of those motorist (only) people are paying wayyyyy more of the general taxes, than the relatively few adult cyclists.
Lies, dam lies, and statistics.
Read the cyclist friendly articles on this, they conviently leave out the part of cycling vs non cycling adult taxpayers.
The issue isn't so much riding, it's attitude.
Simple rules for manners are to not inconvience others unnecessarily, and try not to offend.
That is where the problem lies.
Is that 66% on federal, state, county or municipal roadways?
When I bicycle on city streets through New Orleans early on weekend mornings, I am occupying a roadway for which I pay very little. I rarely spend money in NOLA. When I ride in my home parish, Jefferson, I am riding on roads I paid much more for.
If I were to drive on the city streets of Raton NM, I'd be driving in an area where I didn't pay for the roads at all. A local cyclist could use the silly argument that they have greater status on that road than I do. We can all see the folly of trying to bring who paid the most into this picture.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
I used to have troubles like this guy did when I rode in Albuquerque but I never shot anyone even though I probably could have if I had a gun. About the only thing that happens to me in Austin is people wave and say hi but I guess a dog or two have run up to me barking.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
Read the thread. Exclude yours and that turd funnybone's post and this entire thread is nothing but people telling you how cyclists have been a detriment to them.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
Read the thread. Exclude yours and that turd funnybone's post and this entire thread is nothing but people telling you how cyclists have been a detriment to them.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
Read the thread. Exclude yours and that turd funnybone's post and this entire thread is nothing but people telling you how cyclists have been a detriment to them.
You just don't want to listen.
I won't apologize because my shorts made someone insecure. Nobody's clothing makes me feel insecure. I won't apologize for expecting someone to drive within their line of sight. I drive within my line of sight. I won't apologize for using roadways where others have paid more for them than I have. I don't try to assert supremacy where I have paid more than they have. I won't apologize for slow rolling a stop when nobody else is around. I don't care when others do it.
I am baffled how this group of smart, strong, fearless, freedom loving, small government men can turn into more government, more taxes, get off my road, fear addled, pussies who can't drive worth a fugkk at the mere mention of a cyclist.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
Read the thread. Exclude yours and that turd funnybone's post and this entire thread is nothing but people telling you how cyclists have been a detriment to them.
You just don't want to listen.
I won't apologize because my shorts made someone insecure. Nobody's clothing makes me feel insecure. I won't apologize for expecting someone to drive within their line of sight. I drive within my line of sight. I won't apologize for using roadways where others have paid more for them than I have. I don't try to assert supremacy where I have paid more than they have. I won't apologize for slow rolling a stop when nobody else is around. I don't care when others do it.
I am baffled how this group of smart, strong, fearless, freedom loving small government men can turn into more government, more taxes, get off my road, fear addled, pussies who can't drive worth a fugkk at the mere mention of a cyclist.
Sure we can. The French, Italians, politicians and bike riders all think it's a good idea to mix bikes and cars on the same roads.
It's not a bad idea for cyclists to be on the road when I am driving. But then again, I drive responsibly and courteously. If you think it's a bad idea for them to be on the road with you, perhaps you are the problematic variable.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
Saw a 18 Wheeler trailer with a sticker on the back door saying
âThis vehicle pays 4100$ per Year in Road Taxes â
No such stickers seen on bicycles to date.
How should we establish the pecking order? In Stone County MS where I pay property and sales taxes, I pay more for the roads than a transient 18 wheeler.
I've never understood the entitled attitude of cyclists.
You mean cyclists entitlement to use the road under law?
Yes. Thatâs exactly what he means.
Just because you can legally, doesnât mean itâs a good idea.
The law entitles me to use the road, so yes I do feel entitled to use it. Does the law entitle you to outdrive your line of sight, or is it a perverted sense of superiority form which you derive that entitlement.
This schidt is writing itself. I would welcome anyone with wits into today's conversation.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy, always will be.
Do all the mental gymnastics you need to make yourself feel righteous about riding down a 55 MPH winding two lane with narrow shoulders, limited passing lanes, and limited visibility. Fugg around and find out.
Right, wrong, indifferent 150lb spandex clad queer on a Schwinn meets something with two axles and a motor - they lose.
They use the road and then don't like it when you pull up behind them and follow............... they must not like it, because they will wave you around, on a curve, up a hill, with a double yellow!?!?!?!?!?!?
I communicate with motorists behind me using hand signals. Should I not?
Sure we can. The French, Italians, politicians and bike riders all think it's a good idea to mix bikes and cars on the same roads.
It's not a bad idea for cyclists to be on the road when I am driving. But then again, I drive responsibly and courteously. If you think it's a bad idea for them to be on the road with you, perhaps you are the problematic variable.
Saw a 18 Wheeler trailer with a sticker on the back door saying
âThis vehicle pays 4100$ per Year in Road Taxes â
No such stickers seen on bicycles to date.
How should we establish the pecking order? In Stone County MS where I pay property and sales taxes, I pay more for the roads than a transient 18 wheeler.
How much for your bicycle to use those roads like your vehicles?
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
Read the thread. Exclude yours and that turd funnybone's post and this entire thread is nothing but people telling you how cyclists have been a detriment to them.
You just don't want to listen.
I won't apologize because my shorts made someone insecure. Nobody's clothing makes me feel insecure. I won't apologize for expecting someone to drive within their line of sight. I drive within my line of sight. I won't apologize for using roadways where others have paid more for them than I have. I don't try to assert supremacy where I have paid more than they have. I won't apologize for slow rolling a stop when nobody else is around. I don't care when others do it.
I am baffled how this group of smart, strong, fearless, freedom loving, small government men can turn into more government, more taxes, get off my road, fear addled, pussies who can't drive worth a fugkk at the mere mention of a cyclist.
Shouldn't be baffling. That's how much the majority of the public despises cyclists.
See... polite society finds inconveniencing others distasteful. Cyclists do not.
Sure we can. The French, Italians, politicians and bike riders all think it's a good idea to mix bikes and cars on the same roads.
It's not a bad idea for cyclists to be on the road when I am driving. But then again, I drive responsibly and courteously. If you think it's a bad idea for them to be on the road with you, perhaps you are the problematic variable.
And there's ever arrogant prick coming out again.
I never considered being a courteous, cautious driver overly virtuous, but I can certainly understand why you'd want to go there.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
The OP is manning the chit out of this thread. Take note... this is how an infinitesimal minority manages to impose their will at the detriment of normal every day people.
The only will I have is the Golden Rule. Explain to me how that can be a detriment to you.
Read the thread. Exclude yours and that turd funnybone's post and this entire thread is nothing but people telling you how cyclists have been a detriment to them.
You just don't want to listen.
I won't apologize because my shorts made someone insecure. Nobody's clothing makes me feel insecure. I won't apologize for expecting someone to drive within their line of sight. I drive within my line of sight. I won't apologize for using roadways where others have paid more for them than I have. I don't try to assert supremacy where I have paid more than they have. I won't apologize for slow rolling a stop when nobody else is around. I don't care when others do it.
I am baffled how this group of smart, strong, fearless, freedom loving, small government men can turn into more government, more taxes, get off my road, fear addled, pussies who can't drive worth a fugkk at the mere mention of a cyclist.
Shouldn't be baffling. That's how much the majority of the public despises cyclists.
See... polite society finds inconveniencing others distasteful. Cyclists do not.
It must be different where you drive. I have driven over most of this country, and can tell tell you with certainty that there are a lot of motorists who haven't a schidt to give about my safety or my convenience, and their behaviors stand to impact me much more negatively than a person on a bike. Methinks your (and others) level of indignation is vastly inconsistent with the "detriment" you suffer.
I have never called the people behind me a bunch of retards and pussies however.
I apologize for the inconvenience I cause them.
No one has tried to run me over in a rage yet.
Come to think of it, I've never got upset with a farmer blocking the road with his combine. Probably because they're providing a service to the public. Unlike bike riders who are only thinking of themselves.
I have never called the people behind me a bunch of retards and pussies however.
I apologize for the inconvenience I cause them.
No one has tried to run me over in a rage yet.
Few would find it profitable to fug with a big dude piloting a big John Deere plus the fact that youâre being productive in trying produce things that people consume .
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
Iâve had 2 near misses with your brethren on a 2 lane road with no shoulders and with abilities to pass being very limited.
I have never called the people behind me a bunch of retards and pussies however.
I apologize for the inconvenience I cause them.
No one has tried to run me over in a rage yet.
I have rarely held anyone up for more than fleeting seconds. If they can't handle that, they are a bunch of entitled pussies. If they can't safely negotiate passing a bicycle traveling 15 MPH, they really are too damn dumb to have a driver's license. People rarely rage at me. I suppose it's because I tend to be very considerate in getting them around me. Even the emotional midgets who can't handle that don't try to run me over.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
Iâve had 2 near misses with your brethren on a 2 lane road with no shoulders and with abilities to pass being very limited.
I have never called the people behind me a bunch of retards and pussies however.
I apologize for the inconvenience I cause them.
No one has tried to run me over in a rage yet.
I have rarely held anyone up for more than fleeting seconds. If they can't handle that, they are a bunch of entitled pussies. If they can't safely negotiate passing a bicycle traveling 15 MPH, they really are too damn dumb to have a driver's license. People rarely rage at me. I suppose it's because I tend to be very considerate in getting them around me. Even the emotional midgets who can't handle that don't try to run me over.
I have never called the people behind me a bunch of retards and pussies however.
I apologize for the inconvenience I cause them.
No one has tried to run me over in a rage yet.
I have rarely held anyone up for more than fleeting seconds. If they can't handle that, they are a bunch of entitled pussies. If they can't safely negotiate passing a bicycle traveling 15 MPH, they really are too damn dumb to have a driver's license. People rarely rage at me. I suppose it's because I tend to be very considerate in getting them around me. Even the emotional midgets who can't handle that don't try to run me over.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
Iâve had 2 near misses with your brethren on a 2 lane road with no shoulders and with abilities to pass being very limited.
How were they breaking the law?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
For me by far the most annoying (and numerous) are those retards that can't seem to stop staring at ther phones. You can can sit at an intersection watching and probably half the women drivers you see will be looking at their phones. It's the same at the store as soon as they walk out the door they are staring at their phone. Frigging cell phone zombies.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
It's not that I don't see that people think cyclists are douches, it's that I don't give a piss. I have no control over the irrational thoughts of others.
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do, you aren't going to get me to feel your pain. And when you won't share your experience with me, how can I talk about your experience?
Paul already admitted he doesn't take his posts or threads seriously, the rest of us are wasting bandwidth replying.
It's a joke to him, otherwise he'd be forced to admit he's full of shidt.
On secondary or FS roads I make an honest effort not to dust them out or inconvenience them, no skin off my back if they want to peddle bike around the forest.
But on main 2-lane roads with no shoulder and 70 mph speed limits, I white knuckle it every year multiple times. Last thing I want to to is kill somebody, even if their actions seem to communicate they are asking for it. Entitled cunnnts. A pox on em.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
I've been behind them in the gas station getting a can of snuff or a drink, when they went in to ask directions to the nearest glory hole. They act in person as bad if not worse than they do on the road.
For me by far the most annoying (and numerous) are those retards that can't seem to stop staring at ther phones. You can can sit at an intersection watching and probably half the women drivers you see will be looking at their phones. It's the same at the store as soon as they walk out the door they are staring at their phone. Frigging cell phone zombies.
If I am stopped for a red light at an intersection in my truck and more than 5-6 cars are ahead of me, it is all but a guarantee that one of them will be piddling with a phone and let a 10-20 car length gap form before they go. At least once a day this antic cause me to miss a green and have to sit through another light cycle.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
I've been behind them in the gas station getting a can of snuff or a drink, when they went in to ask directions to the nearest glory hole. They act in person as bad if not worse than they do on the road.
Paul already admitted he doesn't take his posts or threads seriously, the rest of us are wasting bandwidth replying.
It's a joke to him, otherwise he'd be forced to admit he's full of shidt.
On secondary or FS roads I make an honest effort not to dust them out or inconvenience them, no skin off my back if they want to peddle bike around the forest.
But on main 2-lane roads with no shoulder and 70 mph speed limits, I white knuckle it every year multiple times. Last thing I want to to is kill somebody, even if their actions seem to communicate they are asking for it. Entitled cunnnts. A pox on em.
Oh, don't get me wrong. There's an underlying reality, fact or truth in almost all of my posts. I just don't take myself nearly as seriously as I seem to get others to take me.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
I've been behind them in the gas station getting a can of snuff or a drink, when they went in to ask directions to the nearest glory hole. They act in person as bad if not worse than they do on the road.
Paul already admitted he doesn't take his posts or threads seriously, the rest of us are wasting bandwidth replying.
It's a joke to him, otherwise he'd be forced to admit he's full of shidt.
On secondary or FS roads I make an honest effort not to dust them out or inconvenience them, no skin off my back if they want to peddle bike around the forest.
But on main 2-lane roads with no shoulder and 70 mph speed limits, I white knuckle it every year multiple times. Last thing I want to to is kill somebody, even if their actions seem to communicate they are asking for it. Entitled cunnnts. A pox on em.
Oh, don't get me wrong. There's an underlying reality, fact or truth in almost all of my posts. I just don't take myself nearly as seriously as I seem to get others to take me.
But when you're called on it you fall back.
You get a kick out of stirring the pot with bicycles, but won't stand hard and fast to separate hyperbole from honest positions.
Paul already admitted he doesn't take his posts or threads seriously, the rest of us are wasting bandwidth replying.
It's a joke to him, otherwise he'd be forced to admit he's full of shidt.
On secondary or FS roads I make an honest effort not to dust them out or inconvenience them, no skin off my back if they want to peddle bike around the forest.
But on main 2-lane roads with no shoulder and 70 mph speed limits, I white knuckle it every year multiple times. Last thing I want to to is kill somebody, even if their actions seem to communicate they are asking for it. Entitled cunnnts. A pox on em.
Oh, don't get me wrong. There's an underlying reality, fact or truth in almost all of my posts. I just don't take myself nearly as seriously as I seem to get others to take me.
But when you're called on it you fall back.
You get a kick out of stirring the pot with bicycles, but won't stand hard and fast to separate hyperbole from honest positions.
I will if someone wants to have an honest conversation. Otherwise it seems those that try to ruffle my feathers with their "coal rolling" type comments get the tables turned on them. If someone wants to make themselves look like an idiot I am happy to assist.
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
I used to ride close to 30 miles on my bike to and from work, the biggest issue I usually had riding was dealing with other cyclists going ballistic at me when I stopped at a stop sign and unclipped my shoes or yielded to motor vehicles using the road. I'm smart enough to know that just because I have the right to take a lane doesn't mean someone in a one ton vehicle might not get distracted or somehow not see me. Also driving a commercial vehicle for a living to maintain roads has taught me to despise most bicyclists for being entitled pricks and general [bleep]. Used to get called in several times a year to my boss because we had a lane closed, yeah dumbazz that's what the detour signs and cones are for, hard to pave with traffic driving up your azz. Pouring concrete for sidewalks always had to have extra water to hose off some bickheads bike that cruised past the signs and rode into wet concrete. Like dealing with adult sized toddlers.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
Iâve had 2 near misses with your brethren on a 2 lane road with no shoulders and with abilities to pass being very limited.
How were they breaking the law?
One group of 4 was almost dead right being stopped at the bottom of a downhill left turn on a bridge with their feet resting on a railing. Me pulling my tractor with disc and an oncoming loaded log truck that I passed on the same 2 lane bridge. How I missed them is still a wonder in my mind.
A second group of 3 came rolling out running through a stop sign at the entrance to The Bluffs that I swerved to miss going into the oncoming lane to do so. Had another vehicle been coming it would have been a head on collision.
Both of these happened on Hwy 965 where Oakley Plantation is located, Iâm thinking you may know the road.
As I said earlier, things are much improved from the past but it took tragedy to effect those changes.
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
Another one whose level of indignation is out of proportion from any inconvenience they suffer. In a single instance of stupidity a single motorist has delayed me longer than all cyclists have over the whole of my 42 years of driving. In fact, I don't think I have ever been held up by more than 30 seconds by a cyclist. A cyclist has never endangered me. Motorists endanger me nearly every time I drive. Save for the rare stupid protest, I have never seen a traffic jam created by a cyclist. I see motorist induced traffic jams every time I drive.
Take a moment to tell me about your worst encounter with a cyclist.
I say again. I don't create a danger to anyone, and I am very considerate of other road users. If that's bullschidt, why don't you demonstrate how?
Iâve had 2 near misses with your brethren on a 2 lane road with no shoulders and with abilities to pass being very limited.
How were they breaking the law?
One group of 4 was almost dead right being stopped at the bottom of a downhill left turn on a bridge with their feet resting on a railing. Me pulling my tractor with disc and an oncoming loaded log truck that I passed on the same 2 lane bridge. How I missed them is still a wonder in my mind.
A second group of 3 came rolling out running through a stop sign at the entrance to The Bluffs that I swerved to miss going into the oncoming lane to do so. Had another vehicle been coming it would have been a head on collision.
Both of these happened on Hwy 965 where Oakley Plantation is located, Iâm thinking you may know the road.
As I said earlier, things are much improved from the past but it took tragedy to effect those changes.
The first one has me confused over the line of sight/speed/stopping distance equation. The second one was either a horrible mistake, which we can all make, or just plain damn dumb.
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
Man, I really am an artist.
Having to completely leave the road for the ditch at 40mph............... I would say was a little inconvenient!
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
Man, I really am an artist.
Having to completely leave the road for the ditch at 40mph............... I would say was a little inconvenient!
That sure enough sucks. How were they breaking the law?
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
My OCD is acting up, the spelling is pedal for pedaling a bike. A whore peddles her ass on the corner.
Is there a difference? For most, pedaling a bike, or peddling their manpussy seems like pretty close the same thing.
I figured it was spell check getting folks, but I'm not kidding about the OCD. Normally I just read and don't bother logging in to comment, but I logged in earlier for some reason so I went ahead and said something.
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
Man, I really am an artist.
Having to completely leave the road for the ditch at 40mph............... I would say was a little inconvenient!
That sure enough sucks. How were they breaking the law?
the whole herd of them ran through the stop sign, coming at me opposite lane. What they should have done was wait for the oncoming car rather than pull in front of him. He left his lane for mine, I left mine for the ditch......risking OUR lives to save a herd of pedal pushers........
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
Don't know who the rocket scientist was who decided bicycles and automobiles sharing the same asphalt was a good idea, but he was no traffic engineer. Tucson prides itself on being bicycle friendly. Lots of accidents involving bicycles and motorized vehicles. Bicycles always lose!
Paul gives the image of a lone bike rider (or jogger, whatever) minding their own business and largely doing what they can to be mindful of traffic. Those people exist and are generally not the topic here (if there even is one that isn't RuPaul).
The issue is, people have a problem with a herd of idiots acting like the highway is their own personal Tour de France course wherever and whenever. We're talking spread out groups of phoucheads over miles, like the phuggin' Boston Marathon on an un-closed course. It's usually done when it's convenient for them. They aren't working (like a farmer), they aren't going to work, they aren't minding their business; they're playing make believe in the road like retards. They know they're pissing everyone off, not obeying signs and signals. I see it here every week.
I can go down the same highway and be behind two ten year olds that literally will be on the shoulder to stay out of the way, while a 38 year old Peppe LePhag and his butt-boys act like there isn't a train of traffic behind them while they dance around in the road. I would have a tear of joy if a county plow truck mowed them in the ditch like so much grass. If it's you that has your little Black Widow Tour on a highway in a nonchalant fashion with twenty or more of your buddies, then the vitriol applies directly. If you can't figure that out, don't be surprised if you get assistance.
A herd of azzwholes think they get away with whatever they want, until they meet a bigger one.
Bicycles are either recreation or transportation; nine times out of ten they are the former and need to stay off the roadway, especially when your little "sport" literally jacks with traffic.
The trend in the country is to design and build complete streets that accomadate multi modal traffic, including transit. If you dont think bikes on the road, you are not goig to like the future very much. Walking / running / biking has significant health benefits, environmental benefits and normally, if designed right, increase the property values and businesses in an area. There is pathway specific funding, when roads are difficult to find funding for. More populated areas are trending toward road diets that slow traffic and create bike lanes etc for multi use traffic. Remember, sidewalks are not big enough for bikes and pedestrians. A pathway needs to be 8' to 10' wide to meet requirements for both I beleive, and be ADA compliant.
It is pretty obvious that the lady who started this thread enjoys aggravating people and that is probably part of why she rides a bicycle on roads not suitable for slow moving unpredictable hard to see vehicles. It is time to understand how much fun she is having with y'all and break off the conversation. My problem with bicycles is that they obstruct traffic and I am afraid I'll accidently kill one of them. At least a tractor is big and predictable and so is an Amish pony-ac.
The least bicyclist could do is put a real head light on their bike if they are going to ride in the dark. All of the idiots around here have the strobing headlights that will make it to where you canât see. Thatâs what causes accidents!
(Your name here) was a hunter in Greek mythology, son of the river god Cephissus and the nymph Liriope. He was a very beautiful young man, and many fell in love with him. However, he only showed them disdain and contempt.
(Your name here) did not realize it was merely his own reflection and fell deeply in love with it, as if it were somebody else. ... He walked by a pool of water and decided to drink some. He saw the reflection, became entranced by it, and killed himself because he could not have his object of desire.
This of course was before folks could put a selfie of themself in the avatar of their favorite talk forum (the new pool of water) where someone can look and gaze upon themselves in their own personal glory.
Don't know who the rocket scientist was who decided bicycles and automobiles sharing the same asphalt was a good idea, but he was no traffic engineer. Tucson prides itself on being bicycle friendly. Lots of accidents involving bicycles and motorized vehicles. Bicycles always lose!
It was a combination of politicians and bike riders who made that decision. Two groups known for their rational decision making abilities.
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
Man, I really am an artist.
Having to completely leave the road for the ditch at 40mph............... I would say was a little inconvenient!
That sure enough sucks. How were they breaking the law?
I was driving on a mountain road stuck behind a group of frenchies (they might have been Italians) when a semi came blazing around a curve and plowed into the whole group of them. I thought, "damn! That could have been me!"
So the next day I signed up for truck driver school.
I was driving on a mountain road stuck behind a group of frenchies (they might have been Italians) when a semi came blazing around a curve and plowed into the whole group of them. I thought, "damn! That could have been me!"
So the next day I signed up for truck driver school.
(Your name here) was a hunter in Greek mythology, son of the river god Cephissus and the nymph Liriope. He was a very beautiful young man, and many fell in love with him. However, he only showed them disdain and contempt.
(Your name here) did not realize it was merely his own reflection and fell deeply in love with it, as if it were somebody else. ... He walked by a pool of water and decided to drink some. He saw the reflection, became entranced by it, and killed himself because he could not have his object of desire.
This of course was before folks could put a selfie of themself in the avatar of their favorite talk forum (the new pool of water) where someone can look and gaze upon themselves in their own personal glory.
There is one undeniable truth here: cyclists feel entitled and above the law. Paul admits it and everyone knows it.
Paul and his ilk cannot see themselves for what they are and continually defends his actions, thinking he is changing the perception of his group of misfits.
It isnât working, people hate cyclists for what they are and how they ride. It is the same as the skunk living in his hole and canât smell himself.
There is one undeniable truth here: cyclists feel entitled and above the law. Paul admits it and everyone knows it.
Paul and his ilk cannot see themselves for what they are and continually defends his actions, thinking he is changing the perception of his group of misfits.
It isnât working, people hate cyclists for what they are and how they ride. It is the same as the skunk living in his hole and canât smell himself.
Hey, sorry to call you out.... but B&WLM, there is no need to denigrate skunks...................
There is one undeniable truth here: cyclists feel entitled and above the law. Paul admits it and everyone knows it.
Paul and his ilk cannot see themselves for what they are and continually defends his actions, thinking he is changing the perception of his group of misfits.
It isnât working, people hate cyclists for what they are and how they ride. It is the same as the skunk living in his hole and canât smell himself.
I gotta say, he has not done his community any favors by posting here.
There is one undeniable truth here: cyclists feel entitled and above the law. Paul admits it and everyone knows it.
Paul and his ilk cannot see themselves for what they are and continually defends his actions, thinking he is changing the perception of his group of misfits.
It isnât working, people hate cyclists for what they are and how they ride. It is the same as the skunk living in his hole and canât smell himself.
I gotta say, he has not done his community any favors by posting here.
LOL
And it is 'his community' as you say, a sub-set of bikers overall....... no-one criticizes the guy that doesn't have a license or cannot afford a car using his bike and the roads for transportation, no-one criticizes the kids(although you don't see them much anymore) going down to the neighbors house or something, no-one criticizes the delivery guy on a bike(mostly a big-city thing these days).........
There is one undeniable truth here: cyclists feel entitled and above the law. Paul admits it and everyone knows it.
Paul and his ilk cannot see themselves for what they are and continually defends his actions, thinking he is changing the perception of his group of misfits.
It isnât working, people hate cyclists for what they are and how they ride. It is the same as the skunk living in his hole and canât smell himself.
I gotta say, he has not done his community any favors by posting here.
LOL
He should cuck up to you. That'd win you over right?
I was driving on a mountain road stuck behind a group of frenchies (they might have been Italians) when a semi came blazing around a curve and plowed into the whole group of them. I thought, "damn! That could have been me!"
So the next day I signed up for truck driver school.
Bicyclist are no different than the deadbeats, freeloaders, child molesters, dope dealers and other sorry no good POS. They'd all either straighten up or be killed if the law didn't protect them.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
Apparently you have never rode or drove up A1A from Delray Beach to Manalapan Florida. The queers in spandex are sniffing each other's azz tying up traffic, you'd fit right in.
Ridden or driven. Literacy, get some.
I've got something better, common sense, which you seem to lack.
If you could look up passive aggressive, arrogant, chit stirring pussy in the dictionary, the definition would include a picture of paulie in spandex. One has to be very lonely to play the games that he plays with other people here.
The sad but funny thing is that he thinks that he's being more intelligent than anyone who responds to him when he does it.
If you could look up passive aggressive, arrogant, chit stirring pussy in the dictionary, the definition would include a picture of paulie in spandex. One has to be very lonely to play the games that he plays with other people here.
The sad but funny thing is that he thinks that he's being more intelligent than anyone who responds to him when he does it.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
It's not that I don't see that people think cyclists are douches, it's that I don't give a piss.
Too bad you dont see that many cyclists are douches. Im not referring to you. Though i kid you on the Fire, Paul, i doubt you are a douche on your bike.
Its also pretty evident you dont give a piss about the irrational thoughts of those that deserve our ire.
I was driving on a mountain road stuck behind a group of frenchies (they might have been Italians) when a semi came blazing around a curve and plowed into the whole group of them. I thought, "damn! That could have been me!"
So the next day I signed up for truck driver school.
Sounds like justice was carried out. I rode on the paved roads around here for years and was almost ran over twice. Once was the driver busy with his phone and the other time was a lady reading a book. With her I saw here coming in plenty of time and got out of the way and could see the book as she drove by. Only when she went in the ditch on the wrong side of the road did she pay attention. As far as carrying, I mounted a holster on my bike frame!
Sounds like justice was carried out. I rode on the paved roads around here for years and was almost ran over twice. Once was the driver busy with his phone and the other time was a lady reading a book. With her I saw here coming in plenty of time and got out of the way and could see the book as she drove by. Only when she went in the ditch on the wrong side of the road did she pay attention. As far as carrying, I mounted a holster on my bike frame!
Good idea! That gun will be handy if you can get it out of that holster once youâve been run over.
There is one undeniable truth here: cyclists feel entitled and above the law. Paul admits it and everyone knows it.
Paul and his ilk cannot see themselves for what they are and continually defends his actions, thinking he is changing the perception of his group of misfits.
It isnât working, people hate cyclists for what they are and how they ride. It is the same as the skunk living in his hole and canât smell himself.
This times 10, and keep them on a sidewalk if they canât play by the rules.
Also feel similarly about pedestrians, we should be like London, pedestrians yield to vehicle traffic, not the other way around.
But back to bikes, Iâm so tired of them never stopping at lights/stop signs, clearly most feel like they are above the law. If itâs too much work to come to a complete stop and then start peddling again, then get in a car and drive!
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
What if you're moving heavy equipment and you're about 12 foot wide weighing 100000 lb in the [bleep] bicycle won't get out of the way? For a piece of farm equipment that literally takes up the road in the bicycle is holding him up from going down the road who's the stupid son of a b*
I have no problem with bike riders until they have a big ride and take over little county roads and deny any traffic by. The particular road Iâm thinking about is the only way to get from one town to another. I donât mind them sight seeing I just wish they would be courteous enough to let motorists go about their business.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
What if you're moving heavy equipment and you're about 12 foot wide weighing 100000 lb in the [bleep] bicycle won't get out of the way? For a piece of farm equipment that literally takes up the road in the bicycle is holding him up from going down the road who's the stupid son of a b*
Only a jackass would not work at getting you around them.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I passed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
It's not that I don't see that people think cyclists are douches, it's that I don't give a piss.
Too bad you dont see that many cyclists are douches. Im not referring to you. Though i kid you on the Fire, Paul, i doubt you are a douche on your bike.
Its also pretty evident you dont give a piss about the irrational thoughts of those that deserve our ire.
Of course there are douche cyclists out there. Guess what? Those same douches drive too and don't cease being douches when they do drive. The reality is that douches on bikes cause a comparative fraction of the issues that douches in autos do. When I drill down on the complaints people have, they very rarely have any merit. Then those that do have merit, pale into comparison to the problems those same people have had with motorists. There is something about bicycles that makes grown men turn into great big whiny babies. Then when I point all of this out to people, they whine even more loudly. "Paul was arrogant and made my mangina hurt." Hell that's the substance of half the posts here. Cyclists hurt their feelings, then when I don't sympathize with their feelings, it adds salt to the wounds.
Put your big boy undies on people. Stop crying over spilled milk.
The trend in the country is to design and build complete streets that accomadate multi modal traffic, including transit. If you dont think bikes on the road, you are not goig to like the future very much. Walking / running / biking has significant health benefits, environmental benefits and normally, if designed right, increase the property values and businesses in an area. There is pathway specific funding, when roads are difficult to find funding for. More populated areas are trending toward road diets that slow traffic and create bike lanes etc for multi use traffic. Remember, sidewalks are not big enough for bikes and pedestrians. A pathway needs to be 8' to 10' wide to meet requirements for both I beleive, and be ADA compliant.
And the trend is toward those damn foreign roundabout things too. The "big town" up the road has had a detour and intersection closed for a couple of weeks now. I just went by the other day and found the reason for the work is to install a roundabout at the closed intersection. It's on a relatively major section of road that goes from one highway to an even busier one, and the cross street is at one end of town and plenty of folks use it as a thruway to get from a major (4 lane w/ center turn lane) surface street on the north side to the south side of town.
I guess the powers that be figured the cross traffic was getting too backed up, so it seems they now will inconvenience all traffic. And the number of azzhats that can't figure out the roundy round thing will probably screw up traffic even more. Same folks that can't figure out who goes at a 4 way stop.
No one wonders why I live in a county with only 10K folks, one flashing red light at the intersection of two highways (one of which is Main Street), and no roundabouts yet, do they?
What would you say was the greatest inconvenience you'd say you've suffered at the hands of a cyclist? See, when people avoid a question like that, and they almost always do...
Man, I really am an artist.
Having to completely leave the road for the ditch at 40mph............... I would say was a little inconvenient!
That sure enough sucks. How were they breaking the law?
the whole herd of them ran through the stop sign, coming at me opposite lane. What they should have done was wait for the oncoming car rather than pull in front of him. He left his lane for mine, I left mine for the ditch......risking OUR lives to save a herd of pedal pushers........
You're welcome!
Yeah, that doesn't add up. Those cyclists pulled out in front of a car going 40mph (assuming it was going the same speed as you) at such a close distance that the other driver HAD to swerve? All of those riders didn't see or chose to ignore a car traveling 40MPH that was less than 200 feet away? 80 feet to stop a car going 40 MPH plus the 115 feet it would travel if there were a full 2 seconds between when he saw the cyclists and when the brakes were applied. What happened was the other driver's petulance caused him to make a bad decision.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I passed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
What if you're moving heavy equipment and you're about 12 foot wide weighing 100000 lb in the [bleep] bicycle won't get out of the way? For a piece of farm equipment that literally takes up the road in the bicycle is holding him up from going down the road who's the stupid son of a b*
Only a jackass would not work at getting you around them.
Around here Springfield Nixa Ozark area where I do a lot of work at there must be a high population of jackasses
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I passed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
You sure miss the point there bud.
I was as inconvenienced by the old dude as I would have been by a cyclist.
As I plainly said, cyclists are as much a pain in the ass as the Jeep driver. Not nearly as much as some posters here.
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I passed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
You sure miss the point there bud.
I was as inconvenienced by the old dude as I would have been by a cyclist.
As I plainly said, cyclists are as much a pain in the ass as the Jeep driver. Not nearly as much as some posters here.
Nothing says ânot inconveniencedâ and not upset like making a multiple paragraph internet post.
I like cleaning my windshield on high speed when I pass bikers. If you can't maintain a safe speed on a road which is within 5mph of the speed limit, stay on the damn side walk.
If you have trouble going around a vehicle that is 2 1/2 feet wide traveling at 15 MPH, turn in your driver's license. You are a goddam idiot.
In many jurisdictions riding on the sideWALK is illegal, and for good reason. Those capable of thinking understand why.
What if you're moving heavy equipment and you're about 12 foot wide weighing 100000 lb in the [bleep] bicycle won't get out of the way? For a piece of farm equipment that literally takes up the road in the bicycle is holding him up from going down the road who's the stupid son of a b*
Only a jackass would not work at getting you around them.
Around here Springfield Nixa Ozark area where I do a lot of work at there must be a high population of jackasses
There are a high population of jackasses every where you go.
Do you notice how you keep talking about yourself and your experiences? That's because you're an arrogant prick. The vast majority of people think bike riders are douches. But bike riders are too egotistical to see that.
And when you bring up the legal crap, all your saying is that politicians agree with you. That's not a ringing endorsement.
It's not that I don't see that people think cyclists are douches, it's that I don't give a piss.
Too bad you dont see that many cyclists are douches. Im not referring to you. Though i kid you on the Fire, Paul, i doubt you are a douche on your bike.
Its also pretty evident you dont give a piss about the irrational thoughts of those that deserve our ire.
Of course there are douche cyclists out there. Guess what? Those same douches drive too and don't cease being douches when they do drive. The reality is that douches on bikes cause a comparative fraction of the issues that douches in autos do. When I drill down on the complaints people have, they very rarely have any merit. Then those that do have merit, pale into comparison to the problems those same people have had with motorists. There is something about bicycles that makes grown men turn into great big whiny babies. Then when I point all of this out to people, they whine even more loudly. "Paul was arrogant and made my mangina hurt." Hell that's the substance of half the posts here. Cyclists hurt their feelings, then when I don't sympathize with their feelings, it adds salt to the wounds.
Put your big boy undies on people. Stop crying over spilled milk.
Holy smokes, how do you really feel? Maybe you should join a cycling forum, I sense the passion and youâll find your people. đ
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I paurssed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
Throw your bullchitt flag all you want, it still happened.......................... don't really care whether you believe me or not............... you asked, I was there!
But typical response from the entitled, kinda like a democrat.................. it's never their fault, even when it is!
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I paurssed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
Throw your bullchitt flag all you want, it still happened.......................... don't really care whether you believe me or not............... you asked, I was there!
But typical response from the entitled, kinda like a democrat.................. it's never their fault, even when it is!
No I believe it happened, itâs just strange to go on an internet tirade because you had to pass a slow driver days ago.
Mr. Barnard, You ae a moron. It takes me some time to come to an "Absolute" conclusion.... However, This thread, and your continued responses to such, Have brought me to a realization.....An Epiphany if you will....Friggin' Moron.
Sounds like justice was carried out. I rode on the paved roads around here for years and was almost ran over twice. Once was the driver busy with his phone and the other time was a lady reading a book. With her I saw here coming in plenty of time and got out of the way and could see the book as she drove by. Only when she went in the ditch on the wrong side of the road did she pay attention. As far as carrying, I mounted a holster on my bike frame!
Good idea! That gun will be handy if you can get it out of that holster once youâve been run over.
Finally I get my free dose of wisdom here. Thanks man!
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I paurssed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
Throw your bullchitt flag all you want, it still happened.......................... don't really care whether you believe me or not............... you asked, I was there!
But typical response from the entitled, kinda like a democrat.................. it's never their fault, even when it is!
No I believe it happened, itâs just strange to go on an internet tirade because you had to pass a slow driver days ago.
Your reading comprehension skills suck too.............. I don't think I complained about slow drivers................
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Mr. Barnard, You ae a moron. It takes me some time to come to an "Absolute" conclusion.... However, This thread, and your continued responses to such, Have brought me to a realization.....An Epiphany if you will....Friggin' Moron.
Don't you love it when your post calling someone a moron is littered with spelling, punctuation and grammar errors?
So....the moral of the story is that cyclists only cause a moderate degree of danger and the level of self centeredness and inconsideration is justified because its what they like to do.
I don't create a danger to anyone and am very considerate of other road users.
If you weren't such a conceited prick, you would understand why your statement is bullchit. As another poster said, if you take out your posts, this entire thread is about what a pain in the as bike riders are. But you're so narcissistic, you don't see it, and try to put the blame on virtually everyone else.
They're as much a pain in the ass as the old guy in a Jeep last night on my way home from town.
55 MPH paved county road in open country. Very few, almost 0, driveways or crossings where I came up on him. He was going 40MPH, in a no passing zone, curve and slight rise. I thought he might not like curves, so I patiently (sorta) waited until we got around the bend to where the passing zone starts. Upon reaching that, I paurssed him. I figured on him speeding up some, at least get closer to the speed limit on an open, rural, straight section of road.
Nope, I watched my mirrors as I always do, and there he was toodling along at 40 MPH, the whole way, until I made my turn and could see him pass on the main road in my mirror well after I was headed down the other road.
I bet that old dude pays as much or more in "road taxes" as I do, seeing as how his Jeep probably gets 1/2 the mileage of the car I was driving. Therefor he has more right to use that road than I do, right? And certainly way more than any cyclist. Or horseman, pedestrian, etc.
These threads remind me of the "I pay my part for the roads so I'm going to drive at the speed limit in the left lane of every freeway I'm on." Those fuggers are way more of a danger and inconvenience than any bicycle I've ever run across.
The great majority of cyclists (and farmers/ranchers etc with slow moving vehicles) have not been a major issue. Now, those groups of cyclists that take over city streets at times in "ride ins" to "take back the roads" should maybe be moved on down the road with a county snowplow. But the odd small group or single usually pull over as far to the side as they can, when they can.
Paul, stop these threads, they're upsetting too many folks here.
You poor thing. You had to pass a slow driver, I bet thatâs never happened to anybody else but you.
Throw your bullchitt flag all you want, it still happened.......................... don't really care whether you believe me or not............... you asked, I was there!
But typical response from the entitled, kinda like a democrat.................. it's never their fault, even when it is!
No I believe it happened, itâs just strange to go on an internet tirade because you had to pass a slow driver days ago.
Your reading comprehension skills suck too.............. I don't think I complained about slow drivers................
It wasnât you who was complaining of passing a Jeep that was going 40 in a 55?
Mr. Barnard, You ae a moron. It takes me some time to come to an "Absolute" conclusion.... However, This thread, and your continued responses to such, Have brought me to a realization.....An Epiphany if you will....Friggin' Moron.
Don't you love it when your post calling someone a moron is littered with spelling, punctuation and grammar errors?
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Go fist yourself.
So your a prick too? How much does that narrow seat stick up you narrow minded a s s when you are riding.
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Go fist yourself.
So your a prick too?
you're. It's a contraction of you are. Your is a possessive adjective.
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Go fist yourself.
So your a prick too?
you're. It's a contraction of you are. Your is possessive adjective.
How much does that narrow seat stick up you narrow minded a s s when you are riding?
Looks like a bully in a car. For those who don`t want to share the road with people on bicycle`s all I have to say to you is stop driving on the public road system
Go fist yourself.
So your a prick too?
you're. It's a contraction of you are. Your is possessive adjective.
How much does that narrow seat stick up you narrow minded a s s when you are riding?
Recognize those areas Paul. Did a bit of hunting in the area in the area, Around 30 years ago. (How in the hell is it that long?) Sure wasn't riding a bike in that country. Found the air a bit thin walking. Bet I could induce a heart attack there now!
Recognize those areas Paul. Did a bit of hunting in the area in the area, Around 30 years ago. (How in the hell is it that long?) Sure wasn't riding a bike in that country. Found the air a bit thin walking. Bet I could induce a heart attack there now!
Coming from below sea level here in NOLA, it kicks my ass. I'll be there in 3 days! Coming back down to below sea level, my lungs feel supercharged for a few days.
Recognize those areas Paul. Did a bit of hunting in the area in the area, Around 30 years ago. (How in the hell is it that long?) Sure wasn't riding a bike in that country. Found the air a bit thin walking. Bet I could induce a heart attack there now!
Coming from below sea level here in NOLA, it kicks my ass. I'll be there in 3 days! Coming back down to below sea level, my lungs feel supercharged for a few days.
I was driving on a mountain road stuck behind a group of frenchies (they might have been Italians) when a semi came blazing around a curve and plowed into the whole group of them. I thought, "damn! That could have been me!"
So the next day I signed up for truck driver school.
TFF With Paul, it's all about legality until he gets a semi up his ass.
I was driving on a mountain road stuck behind a group of frenchies (they might have been Italians) when a semi came blazing around a curve and plowed into the whole group of them. I thought, "damn! That could have been me!"
So the next day I signed up for truck driver school.
TFF With Paul, it's all about legality until he gets a semi up his ass.
And "action" pictures explain everything when all else has failed, largely due to paulie's arrogance........
I wish I knew how to post a you tube video.Dr.McGuff has one on 12 Black Swans to avoid. I violate the ones about ATVs and ladders but 1 and 3 are very pertinent to this discussion.
I wish I knew how to post a you tube video.Dr.McGuff has one on 12 Black Swans to avoid. I violate the ones about ATVs and ladders but 1 and 3 are very pertinent to this discussion.
I wish I knew how to post a you tube video.Dr.McGuff has one on 12 Black Swans to avoid. I violate the ones about ATVs and ladders but 1 and 3 are very pertinent to this discussion.
I wish I knew how to post a you tube video.Dr.McGuff has one on 12 Black Swans to avoid. I violate the ones about ATVs and ladders but 1 and 3 are very pertinent to this discussion.
Thanks, I hadn't seen that in awhile, I forgot about the last 2 or so minutes of the video.
I wish I knew how to post a you tube video.Dr.McGuff has one on 12 Black Swans to avoid. I violate the ones about ATVs and ladders but 1 and 3 are very pertinent to this discussion.
Can anyone count how many times he said okay during his presentation?
#1 I drive a full size truck. I don't rely on its size to keep me safe.
#3 Of course when autos have crashes with bicycles, the bicyclist is more likely to end up with severe or fatal injuries. I don't have a doctorate, so take that for what it's worth.
I hate to wax serious at a moment like this, but life has risks. Hunting has risks, shooting has risks, driving has risks, riding ATVs has risks, boating has risks, operating farm equipment has risks.
Yet all of us engage in most of those activities. Why? Well, we look at the controlable variables, apply risk mitigation or avoidance measures, and make up our minds if the remaining risks fall within our tolerance level.
Let's dissect cycling.
The three most prevalent factors in cyclists deaths are riding at night, riding impaired and riding against traffic. I avoid those risks altogether. Every encounter with an auto has risks. I mitigate that by riding in low traffic areas as much as I can.
We need to examine the kinds of collisions. Just as it is with motorcyclists, one of the greatest threats is the left turner. A car turns left into the path of the rider. I mitigate that by becoming very wary anytime an auto is in a position to do that, and I plan an escape route. This is a situation where the bicycles slower speed works as an advantage. All failure to yield at intersections are a common cause of collisions. In as much as I can, I ride in areas with few intersections, and I go on high alert when approaching and riding through intersections.
Where cyclists have the least control at affecting positive outcomes is with overtaking vehicles. In as much as I can I ride in low traffic areas, use lower traffic side streets or take advantage of shoulders, bile lanes or even a small strip of asphalt along the right edge of the road. When I do have to share lanes with auto traffic I prefer lower speed roads.
So why do overtaking vehicles crash into cyclists? There are two primary reasons. A miscalculation of distance and/or speed, or the operator didn't see the cyclist. In reality, overwhlemingly, it's very easy to see cyclists in the road during daylight hours. It's more that the driver was not using the degree of caution they should. But let's play with that "I didn't see them" since that's a common excuse.
What can I do to be seen. Passive measures like color. Active measures like lights. I use those frequently. Here's where motorists start getting miffed. By positioning myself in the middle of the lane I make myself more visible, and I potentially deter someone from passing in a situation where their speed/distance miscalculation may cause them to crash into me. Here's another mitigating measure that miffs drivers. The more riders in the group, the more likely riders are to draw the attention of motorists.
For the most part I ride alone though. On narrow roads, I ride right down the middle of my lane. When a car comes up from behind, while there still plenty of time and distance, I may do a little in lane swerving. That may capture the attention of the motorist. I look over my shoulder to let the driver know that I know they are there. As the driver gets to a certain point they will have to either move over a little bit or I am in trouble. At that point, I move further right and am prepared to bail if I can. In most cases, the drivers are setting up to pass at a safe distance. When I have left myself room to move further right I increase the distance that those who are going to pass safely pass and I create a safe distance for those who are going to pass to closely. As I mentioned earlier. I have been in situation where I have removed myself from the road for my safety and the convenience of others.
Two of the chief complaints of motorists are that cyclists ride in the middle of the road and that they ride in groups. Oddly, and unfortunately, riding in the middle of the lane and riding in groups are good mitigating measures for the "I didn't see them" drivers. Relative to the subject of the OP, riding in groups provides an added measure of security.
I ride defensively, and I ride cooperatively, and I hope that's enough to keep me out of the morgue, or worse from eating through a straw.
Mr. Paul: He was pointing out some very dangerous things you might wish to avoid. As to # 1 I choose to pay more for fuel so I can drive something rear wheel drive or 4WD that has weight and a steel frame under it. As to # 2 I almost have to use a 4 Wheeler or a horse or sell the cows and timber land. # 3 It would have to be an emergency for me to ride a pedal bike or walk on a public highway. But if you want to, go ahead, it's your life. There are hostile people out there, there are bad drivers, impaired drivers, and sorry to tell you there are legally blind drivers. As I said it is your life, if you want to put on gaudy clothes and antagonize people trying to get down the road go ahead. You started this thread seemingly wanting to get arise out of folks that don't like bicycles on the road and as you already knew there are plenty. Keep it up and you will most likely ruin someone's day when they accidently run you over. Good luck.
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