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And yes - I'm familiar with fundamental attribution error.

I stop when I need to yield right of way. It affects me in that it keeps me from getting killed or injured. I don't stop unless I need to stop to yield right of way.

I'd be willing to bet that you break the law every time you drive. Am I right or wrong?

Interestingly, studies have shown that motorists and cyclists break the law at about the same rate. Motorists do it for reasons of convenience. Cyclists do it more for safety.

https://whyy.org/articles/cyclists-violate-traffic-law-no-more-than-drivers-new-data-shows/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlto...-save-lives-finds-study/?sh=790807db3c54

As to the legalities, who knows right now? After the Chauvin conviction and Kyle Rittenhouse charging, who knows what our courts are capable of?

As far as a car being a deadly weapon...only a retard would think that it wasn't. IMO cops will get a lot more leeway in this regard though, than regular folks. It sounded like Hispanic v. Hispanic, so maybe race-wise, the playing field is at least level.

I thought at first, why wouldn't the sensible thing be to just bike out of the guy in the car's way, rather than stop, draw your gun and shoot. With all that time taken, you're likely to get hit, even if you get shots off. Legalities aside, the goal should be to avoid death or injury. Then I saw that the guy's wife had already been hit and while I didn't see the incident, it's a lot easier to envision a scenario where you're defending another person, where shooting the motorist is a lot more defensible both from a common sense and legal standpoint.

What's the goal of the thread? To bash or defend bikers in general or to talk about this specific incident? Thus far I've only done the latter, but I've got some shixt to say about biking if that's what we're doing.

Must have been blatant that the wounded guy was charged at the scene with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

I dunno that these people were part of the spandex-clad bicycle crowd, I don’t think we’re getting the whole story here.

I wonder if the bicyclists we’re in a Cholo gang area, maybe not a great area to ride in. Around here if a bicyclist blows through a stop he will get a ticket if there is a cop around.

The majority of bicyclists that are inconsiderate and blow through stops are the club riders, especially the race club riders. I call them Wienies. Then there are the Eurowienies who ride the high end bikes: Mazi’s, Colnago’s, Pinarello’s, Cervello’s, Van Rysel’s, etc.

Most solo or small group riders aren’t inconsiderate around here.

I have ridden quite a few miles on public highways on a bicycle as well as a motorcycle....the traffic laws should be respected by both . Courtesy goes a long way in building a positive image.

Many years ago when driving west on I-80 just out of Salt Lake City in my F-250, I was at interstate speed, negotiating a pretty sharp right hand curve. At this time, I ran up behind a bicyclist, also west bound, fully in the center of the right lane I was occupying. I had to make a quick evasive maneuver into the left lane to avoid shoving 6K pounds of F 250 up his ass. The radical lane change jeopardized those in my vehicle, and had there been anyone to my left, I would have either taken out the cyclist or sideswiped the other motorist. I really wanted to stop and introduce the sob to the shovel I had in the back of the truck......but, was already late getting to the airport.

Summary, I have little sympathy for any cyclist (bicycle or motorcycle) that violates the law or common courtesy on the roadways. memtb

BOOM!!

On the general topic,I don’t think there’s any doubt that at least half of cyclists, road or dirt, are d$ckheads.

How many people, drivers or pedestrians, think “Oh good, here come bicycles.” when a group of road or mountain bikes approach?

99% of the motoring public think bike riders are selfish arrogant pricks. Trying to convince us that we're wrong by being a selfish arrogant prick probably isn't a winning strategy.

As a motorcyclist, I had it drilled into my head that there was danger in outdriving my line of sight.

Don't we all violate the law when we drive? I do. Everyone I have ever ridden with does. Every person who is honest has told me they do. A few MPH over the speed limit? Slow rolling a stop or right turn on red? Not signaling a lane change or turn? When I find a person who never has or never does break the law, that person can lecture me.

I am always courteous when operating any mode of conveyance.

Trying to convince anyone that they are wrong is a fools errand. That doesn't mean people aren't wrong.

Hey Paul,

just kidding here, but the shooter must purchase his firearms from a different place than some of yours.

PS, I hate dicks that ride on sideWALKS.

LOLOL. No doubt. You touched on something that strikes at the heart of problems cyclists face. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Half the public wants cyclists on the sidewalk. The other half wants them to stay off the sidewalk.

Sidewalk cycling is rife with hazards. That's why it's illegal in many areas.

Paul as you know, our area is a Mecca for cyclists and in the main most all are considerate and safety conscious but it wasn’t always like that with the noticeable changes coming after the sad death of Councilman Buddy Amoroso and the maiming of his riding partner.

Now we’re seeing most all riders using rear flashing red led strobes and the bright white front led strobes. Their visibility is so much better improved by these simple things.

We have many cycling events in our area every year and these are accompanied by the presence of Sheriff’s deputies at all critical intersections and even reserving the whole right lanes of Hwy 61 with pylons for the riders and competitors.

Safety here has been a two way street for motorists and cyclists but it took that tragedy to initiate meaningful changes. Overall, cyclists are very much welcomed here.

Yes, along with roller skating, skateboarding, motorized scooters, etc.

I haven't yet, but in my dotage one day I hope to clothesline someone zooming past me on some sort of instrument of sidewalk interference.

I'll just say I was signaling a left turn to other pedestrians.

When I ride on the road, I typically wear bright clothes and sometimes use a rear flasher if the circumstances warrant. The truth is that it's very easy to see a cyclist in daylight, no matter what they are wearing. Using bright color and lights is an effort to try to command the attention of the marginally engaged away from their distraction.

We have a group of bicyclist in our small town that think they own the road and spread from the white to the yellow line. I will be glad when someone accidentally hits one of them because they sure cause traffic issues.

Nothing quite as agonizing is those big small town traffic issues. Weaponizing a motor vehicle can get an idiot shot.