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It appears to me that this is a complete violation of the Federal PLCAA.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/go...rers-accountable-and-closing-harmful-gun

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/new-york-will-allow-people-sue-gun-manufacturers-violence/

With the makeup of the Courts and the SC refusing every firearm and Second Amendment case, this might cause a lot of trouble.
Damn near everything they've been doing is a violation of federal law. That hasn't stopped them.
Next in NY, will people be able to sue auto manufactures for auto deaths? Beef ranchers for heart attacks?

Obvious assualt on 2A.
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states
And just like that....
Not even talking about him going to jail, or at the least removal from office....
They should lock up him and his brother for just being fuggheads
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states


Rural New York is Red, the cities are Blue, just like everywhere else.

Just like his new “Office of Gun Violence Prevention” and declaration of a gun violence state of emergency, this is part of a pilot programs.

Depending on the results of the Midterm elections this fall, look for the Feds to be doing all this on a National scale next year.

Meanwhile, NY lawsuits could threaten the availability of guns and ammo everywhere..
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Damn near everything they've been doing is a violation of federal law. That hasn't stopped them.
And the various courts are 50-50 at best..
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states


Rural New York is Red, the cities are Blue, just like everywhere else.

Just like his new “Office of Gun Violence Prevention” and declaration of a gun violence state of emergency, this is part of a pilot programs.

Depending on the results of the Midterm elections this fall, look for the Feds to be doing all this on a National scale next year.

Meanwhile, NY lawsuits could threaten the availability of guns and ammo everywhere..





Buy cheap as you can. Stack deep.

Clean and oil.

Fugk commies.
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states


Well, not so fast. New York CITY voters got what they voted for. Outside of NYC and Albany, NY State is remarkably conservative. I was on Long Island last week. Suffolk County is Red. Trump signs galore. If not for Union influence, NY State outside of the city and Albany would be extremely conservative, BUT they cannot override the votes of 15 million idiot Leftists in NY City.
Gun companies should have nipped this in the bud years ago by refusing to sell to NY LEOs.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states


Rural New York is Red, the cities are Blue, just like everywhere else.

Just like his new “Office of Gun Violence Prevention” and declaration of a gun violence state of emergency, this is part of a pilot programs.

Depending on the results of the Midterm elections this fall, look for the Feds to be doing all this on a National scale next year.

Meanwhile, NY lawsuits could threaten the availability of guns and ammo everywhere..


Why do you think that is, that the Big Cities are almost always Blue?

I used to think that it was because that is where those that have been indoctrinated by higher education navigate to for high paying jobs and that Unions are strong in big cities and able to brainwash their members into voting Democrat, coupled with an unusually high population of Gimmydats on the dole.

Although the above may play a significant role in the Blue cities, the 2020 election and the exposure of how corrupt electronic voting is, has changed my mind.

Electronic voting and Dominion are used to a greater degree in the Big cities than in rural America. Because of this it's much easier to cheat and steal elections whit the higher concentration of electronic voting machines.
Wow this could cause ammo manufacturers to stop selling ammo at all, to go out of business.
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Politicians have no fear of the sheeple.............................

Cuomo will neither be prosecuted for anything nor recalled; Newsome will also not be recalled.

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It's a shame we can't just divide the nation between the Marxists and the traditional Americans. Everyone would just up and move to the appropriate land area for them, and we could enjoy liberty while they can impose tyranny on themselves and both will be happy.
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states

What's a shame is that 90% of the land area of New York State is populated by folks with rural, traditional American, values, and they have to live under the laws that derive from the values of the population of NYC and its adjacent suburbs.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Gun companies should have nipped this in the bud years ago by refusing to sell to NY LEOs.

Yep. That would have a major influence.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Gun companies should have nipped this in the bud years ago by refusing to sell to NY LEOs.

Yep. That would have a major influence.

Plenty of foreign manufactures to fill that gap.
and apkendud is celebrating
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states

What's a shame is that 90% of the land area of New York State is populated by folks with rural, traditional American, values, and they have to live under the laws that derive from the values of the population of NYC and its adjacent suburbs.
Hence the widespread dislike for NYCitiots among rural upstate NY residents. That and the fact that so many of them buy vacation homes and/or move up here and are straight up ass holes.
New York has some of the most restrictive firearms ownership in the USA. It's pretty obvious it doesn't work.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It's a shame we can't just divide the nation between the Marxists and the traditional Americans. Everyone would just up and move to the appropriate land area for them, and we could enjoy liberty while they can impose tyranny on themselves and both will be happy.


We tried back in 1861.

https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/2018/02/10/red-republicans-and-lincolns-marxists/


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Tenth Communist Party USA convention in Chicago, May 1938. Portraits of Lincoln, Lenin and Stalin flanked the stage, while the Party’s leader spoke.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by rem shooter
i dont give a crap about NY, would never live there due to this kind of stuff ,.their voters get what they voted for ,.but if he gets by with this ,it will spread to other states


Rural New York is Red, the cities are Blue, just like everywhere else.

Just like his new “Office of Gun Violence Prevention” and declaration of a gun violence state of emergency, this is part of a pilot programs.

Depending on the results of the Midterm elections this fall, look for the Feds to be doing all this on a National scale next year.

Meanwhile, NY lawsuits could threaten the availability of guns and ammo everywhere..


Why do you think that is, that the Big Cities are almost always Blue?

I used to think that it was because that is where those that have been indoctrinated by higher education navigate to for high paying jobs and that Unions are strong in big cities and able to brainwash their members into voting Democrat, coupled with an unusually high population of Gimmydats on the dole.

Although the above may play a significant role in the Blue cities, the 2020 election and the exposure of how corrupt electronic voting is, has changed my mind.

Electronic voting and Dominion are used to a greater degree in the Big cities than in rural America. Because of this it's much easier to cheat and steal elections whit the higher concentration of electronic voting machines.

I can answer some of your questions. Gimmedats are centrally located. A lot has to do with mass transportation.
They count on buses and rail. No cars.
But rest assured Biden is trying to spread the ghetto rats around to the suburbs. Trying to move them out off the big cities. Build cheap housing or apartments in the small towns. conservative folks fleeing the big cities and everything that goes with them. Hasbeen
I hope Remington, Kimber and any other gun manufacturers move out! Fugg Fredo's brother!
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

What's a shame is that 90% of the land area of New York State is populated by folks with rural, traditional American, values, and they have to live under the laws that derive from the values of the population of NYC and its adjacent suburbs.
That's true for quite a few states...
Originally Posted by hatari
Next in NY, will people be able to sue auto manufactures for auto deaths? Beef ranchers for heart attacks?

Obvious assualt on 2A.

What about Booze? Do you see the government going after the makers of beer, hard liquor, wine?
Why not? Does booze cause the loss of innocent life? Or the vehicle ? Sue the manufactures right? Make sure Combo hears your thought on this.
Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

What's a shame is that 90% of the land area of New York State is populated by folks with rural, traditional American, values, and they have to live under the laws that derive from the values of the population of NYC and its adjacent suburbs.
That's true for quite a few states...

All states.

Go to google images and search potus election by county.
Originally Posted by hatari
Next in NY, will people be able to sue auto manufactures for auto deaths? Beef ranchers for heart attacks?

Obvious assualt on 2A.

Can they sue governors for covid deaths?
Live in a state ruled by the Liberal Socialist Democrat cities in it...
Basically your vote counts for zilch......


Sucks to be you I geuss..........
Can distilleries be sued by victims of a drunk driver?
Can silverware manufacturers be sued by fat people?
Can automobile manufacturers be sued by crash victims of a speeding driver?

Everybody wants an easy answer and somebody to blame.

If it avoids personal responsibility and the government gets more control and power, so much the better....
A quick Google... suing gun manufacturers has been done before and put the Raven/Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez company out of business twice, once by Oakland CA and once by Kansas City...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimenez_Arms
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

What's a shame is that 90% of the land area of New York State is populated by folks with rural, traditional American, values, and they have to live under the laws that derive from the values of the population of NYC and its adjacent suburbs.
That's true for quite a few states...

All states.

Go to google images and search potus election by county.

Originally Posted by hookeye
They should lock up him and his brother for just being fuggheads



Too broad a criteria for lockup. How about for being subversives?
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by hookeye
They should lock up him and his brother for just being fuggheads



Too broad a criteria for lockup. How about for being subversives?


Not to mention all the old folks in nursing homes he killed. While his Commie POS brother was celebrating what a great Gov he was on CNN 😡
Everything so far proves cumo is a [bleep] commie bastard. How many people protect that dumb ass with guns?
Got to be a bunch of security as stupid as he is and I bet he sleeps with guns too. But the hell with the rest of the people.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It's a shame we can't just divide the nation between the Marxists and the traditional Americans. Everyone would just up and move to the appropriate land area for them, and we could enjoy liberty while they can impose tyranny on themselves and both will be happy.


Balkanize!!!!!!!
How can a criminal create and put laws into effect. His ass should be behind bars for all of the crap he has done.
I hadn’t seen this before; New Jersey already has filed a lawsuit against Smith and Wesson...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/business/dealbook/new-jersey-lawsuit-smith-wesson.html

Plainly the intent is to kill the gun manufacturers with a thousand cuts.

Originally Posted by benchman
New York has some of the most restrictive firearms ownership in the USA. It's pretty obvious it doesn't work.


Dems are not the brightest, typical libtard hehavior.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I hadn’t seen this before; New Jersey already has filed a lawsuit against Smith and Wesson...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/business/dealbook/new-jersey-lawsuit-smith-wesson.html

Plainly the intent is to kill the gun manufacturers with a thousand cuts.



When the manufacturer wins in court, there should be a counter suit to recover expenses.
Colorado and California are surely next. Denver controls the whole state...
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I hadn’t seen this before; New Jersey already has filed a lawsuit against Smith and Wesson...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/business/dealbook/new-jersey-lawsuit-smith-wesson.html

Plainly the intent is to kill the gun manufacturers with a thousand cuts.



can't read, behind a paywall.
Once the Commies start down this path (suing manufacturers), doesn’t that open up the door to:

Suing car manufacturers when drunk drivers kill someone.

McDonalds, Carvel (and the like) being sued for people’s health issues.

Musicians being sued for lyrics that “caused” someone to commit suicide.


I think we have to fight these Commies By playing their own game.

Unrelated, but I’m seriously considering that I be considered a “Stallion” from now on, as that’s what I “identify” as. They’ve taken reality and normal completely off the table.We may have to play their sick/warped game to beat them.

BTW, as some of you know, I work at one of the busiest, oldest, privately owned LGS on LI/NY and 98% of our customers are freedom loving, Constitution following Americans. We don’t get many Leftists, I’m happy to say. We did get ONE idiot who made the mistake of walking into our shop with a Biden/Harris hat on, and my Marine co-worker THREW HIM OUT! Legal? Don’t care, it was funny as HELL to watch.

BTW, I voted against the carpet bagger, Hillary, voted against Fredos brother 2x, and voted FOR Trump 2x. There ARE good people in NY, but we’re out numbered by freaks & Commies!
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I hadn’t seen this before; New Jersey already has filed a lawsuit against Smith and Wesson...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/business/dealbook/new-jersey-lawsuit-smith-wesson.html

Plainly the intent is to kill the gun manufacturers with a thousand cuts.



can't read, behind a paywall.


Try this one, prob’ly a long shot with little chance of success, but that ain’t the point.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/04/15/new-jerseys-gun-ad-lawsuit
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I hadn’t seen this before; New Jersey already has filed a lawsuit against Smith and Wesson...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/business/dealbook/new-jersey-lawsuit-smith-wesson.html

Plainly the intent is to kill the gun manufacturers with a thousand cuts.



can't read, behind a paywall.


Try this one, prob’ly a long shot with little chance of success, but that ain’t the point.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/04/15/new-jerseys-gun-ad-lawsuit



Thanks
Originally Posted by TomT
Once the Commies start down this path (suing manufacturers), doesn’t that open up the door to:

Suing car manufacturers when drunk drivers kill someone.

McDonalds, Carvel (and the like) being sued for people’s health issues.

Musicians being sued for lyrics that “caused” someone to commit suicide.


I think we have to fight these Commies By playing their own game.

!


There is no law against suing the auto industry, McDonalds or musicians, anybody can try, but it most likely will go nowhere fast. There is a federal law against suing firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products.

There is also a law that states we (the people) cannot hold politicians personally responsible for the results of the laws they pass. We cannot hold them liable and sue them for damages or harm. All we can to is not re-elect them.

If the courts rule that it's OK to ignore Federal PLCAA Law and allow lawsuits, then Ipso Facto the law protecting Politicians can also be ignored and lawsuits should be allowed.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It's a shame we can't just divide the nation between the Marxists and the traditional Americans. Everyone would just up and move to the appropriate land area for them, and we could enjoy liberty while they can impose tyranny on themselves and both will be happy.


We tried back in 1861.

https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/2018/02/10/red-republicans-and-lincolns-marxists/


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Tenth Communist Party USA convention in Chicago, May 1938. Portraits of Lincoln, Lenin and Stalin flanked the stage, while the Party’s leader spoke.






Now that’s a wow factor right there .
1938 ? And we are surprised at how deep they are entrenched .
Says a lot about why we didn’t use the nukes to smash Russia and China the same time we crushed Japan .
Kenneth
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It's a shame we can't just divide the nation between the Marxists and the traditional Americans. Everyone would just up and move to the appropriate land area for them, and we could enjoy liberty while they can impose tyranny on themselves and both will be happy.


That would be best and i'm all for it,but what chance that will ever happen.
Originally Posted by Riverc
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It's a shame we can't just divide the nation between the Marxists and the traditional Americans. Everyone would just up and move to the appropriate land area for them, and we could enjoy liberty while they can impose tyranny on themselves and both will be happy.


That would be best and i'm all for it,but what chance that will ever happen.


If it did happen, the Marxist would eventually realize how bad they f*cked up and slip on over the the Free America side and bring their failed politics with them.

Akin to what CA residents are doing to surrounding states and what the retarded Snow Birds from the North are doing to southern states like FL, TX etc.
Originally Posted by TomT
Once the Commies start down this path (suing manufacturers), doesn’t that open up the door to:

Suing car manufacturers when drunk drivers kill someone.

McDonalds, Carvel (and the like) being sued for people’s health issues.

Musicians being sued for lyrics that “caused” someone to commit suicide.


I think we have to fight these Commies By playing their own game.

Unrelated, but I’m seriously considering that I be considered a “Stallion” from now on, as that’s what I “identify” as. They’ve taken reality and normal completely off the table.We may have to play their sick/warped game to beat them.

BTW, as some of you know, I work at one of the busiest, oldest, privately owned LGS on LI/NY and 98% of our customers are freedom loving, Constitution following Americans. We don’t get many Leftists, I’m happy to say. We did get ONE idiot who made the mistake of walking into our shop with a Biden/Harris hat on, and my Marine co-worker THREW HIM OUT! Legal? Don’t care, it was funny as HELL to watch.

BTW, I voted against the carpet bagger, Hillary, voted against Fredos brother 2x, and voted FOR Trump 2x. There ARE good people in NY, but we’re out numbered by freaks & Commies!

Don't forget the biggest one- companies that produce the alcohol drinks, think of the taxes that the state government would lose if they were sued
to the point of folding up all operations. You know why the government would never allow this, $$$$$$$$$$. Suspending Booze, never an option.
And yet people get killed everyday, I don't want booze banned. But it gets a pass!
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