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The business model in the French and Spanish colonies was buy a slave, work him to death in 3 years and replace him, but WE are the source of all evil in the world?

Exellent video Hawkeye.

Are the people who sold the slaves to be sent off to America blameless???

Committed by the black slaves owners.

didn't "The Scarlet Letter" come first?

Yes, it was. And it could kill this republic yet.
As soon as the Brits surrendered the new Americans should have freed the slaves, and to hell with South Carolina.
There were many then opposed to slavery, there was a chance they could have actually pulled it off.
And if that meant fighting the Civil War right then, with the War of 1812 thrown in, fine, bring it.
And it is all as simple as that.

I didn't watch the vid, but the caption under it referred to slavery in the U.S. as "benign".

Sorry. I'm out. Been practiced by every society as long as there have been societies. I don't owe anyone shidt, and I abhor the victim culture of a people that have been free for several generations now here. Not to mention the treatment of the Irish when they came etc. etc etc.

But there is no such thing as benign slavery. Maybe I'm selling the video short?

You are selling the video short. Yes slavery in America was horrible, but there was much more slavery elsewhere.

Didn't watch the video (yet) but I read a lot of books about Africa. Slavery was common in West Africa well into the 20th century, including in Liberia, where the ruling class was ex-slaves from America.

If you google it, you will find that slatvery is a $90 billion industry today, with the biggest slave-owning country being India.

Slavery was ubiquitous.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...he_us_owes_no_reparations_to_blacks.html

Slavery is brutal and repulsive, but it was as much a part of ancient history and early modern history as growing crops was. And widespread opposition against slavery came pretty late in human history. Those facts don’t justify it. It’s a scourge that America...the land of the free...tolerated it.

Far less so than leaving those people to rule themselves as has been repeatedly proven over time.

In fact, slavery is the natural state of those incapable of defending themselves.

Bad behavior is not excused by other bad behavior.

Too bad America started out with slavery in some states, but since slavery was present in virtually every other part of the world at the time, it's hard to blame the founders too much. The Declaration and the Constitution were revolutionary and eventually led to the end of slavery. The abolitionist movement started in the US and Britain.

Slavery was brutal and disgusting BUT there are members of this forum who wish it was still allowed…

As long as people are doing the whole it was bad BUT, might as well make it accurate.

Slavery exists right now, including in Africa, and no one much GAF because there’s no money in it like there is in rehashing what happened here, which was ended by spilling a lot of American blood. Even the preachy hypocrites in Yurrup are content to let the Chicoms enslave literally millions of Uyghurs as long as they can keep getting cheap Nikes.

People are no damn good; the Bible tells me so……

There are black people here?

I have noticed since guns have become popular, slavery has gone down hill.

First off, the fact that slavery began in this nation IS NOT the fault of America. People tend to forget that prior to winning the Revolutionary War everything that happened he was due to ENGLAND! The King of England allowed slavery to begin here with royal decree. As a matter if historical fact when Thomas Jefferson penned the original draft of the Declaration of Independence one of the complaints he registered against the Crown was the institution of slavery. However when it was debated 2 of the colonies, GA and SC, objected to that part and due to the need for unanimity they edit that part out and the problem of slavery was kicked down the road for a future generation to deal with

So Slavery WAS NOT America's original sin, it was England's original sin due to the simple fact that it occurred here long before America existed.

Based on your post, I'll give it a watch tomorrow when I've good enough service.

Coincidentally, the last slaveholding Americans were Alaska Natives, they were quite pissed when the US bought AK from Russia and enforced the 13th Amendment. In fact, one of the many complaints to this day of the Tlingit people is that the US stole "property" from them without due compensation.

If the democrat party has it's way we'll all be slaves.

I haven’t watched the video. All I know is that this country pays for slavery and it’s leftovers every day. Besides that it is and was evil and I wish it had never existed here.

Including some Southern Europeans

A woman did not own her own body, from the moment of birth a mother did not own her own children, a father could do nothing to protect them. Families were subject to being torn asunder at any time. Slaves lived in a state of life imprisonment from the moment of birth, consigned to a life of labor, often hard labor.

One quarter of the population of our Southern States lived that way, slaves were actual majorities of the population in South Carolina and Mississippi.

Yep, its an indelible stain upon our collective history. Doesn’t matter about the Middle East, Africa, Brazil etc etc, we are supposed to live up to our own values, not theirs.

We are paying for that sin until this very day.

OTOH, there hasn’t been legal slavery here since 1865, and the descendants of those slaves now get to live in what is still the greatest Nation the world has ever seen. I can relate, I’m Irish Catholic, if the Brits hadn’t colonized us in the past I might not be here.

Slavery persisted here because it was profitable, those who constantly bring the topic up to divide us do so because it profits them.

Our original sin is killing off the.people who lived here first. Making deals with them and forcing them west then not honoring our treaties.

MAC is correct and many others have good points. I submit that we do still have a form of slavery here now and will until people wake up to the fact that we all are created equal. It is only us that divide and label each other with color, race and class. Blacks have been taken advantage of since reclamation by democrats by being taught that they were set upon by evil republicans. Many southerners cannot get over the tragedy of Reclamation after the War. Indians are encouraged to destroy any sign of assimilation. We are being split with wild fanatic environment theory that divides us and destroys our freedom. Whites have been lectured by authoritarian politicians of both parties as to how evil we are because slavery came here with us when we landed.

We have a lot of despots on this forum that try mightily to divide and destroy constitutional discussion. We have many congressional politicians that are from foreign slave owning lands that hate America and are working from within to destroy us. We have a political party, democrat, that is openly Marxist/Socialist and attempting to destroy our nation. They're doing a splendid job of it so far and some of us are helping them. Republican party RINOs are destroying our Nation with their hate America First agenda. We are locked in a great war for our freedom and the freedom of the Republic as it was founded. If the democrat socialists win we will no longer have a constitution. Our elections are not free and fair anymore and haven't been for a very long time. This one was just so in your face sloppily stolen that we can no longer let it pass unchallenged. We must win this fight.

I didnt watch the vid either but my opinion is simple.

Best thing that ever happened for the black americans that are here now was for their ancestors to be brought here as slaves. Not condoning slavery at all but it's simple.
They actually have opportunity today in America thanks to the struggles of their ancestors.

What would they have if still in Africa?

It's a short video, guys. No reason not to click on it.

Had no idea that the native Americans owned slaves.

English slavery of a sort was practiced clear into the 1960's. They'd transport orphaned or abandoned children to be virtual slave laborers in Australia and other commonwealth countries. The US wasn't innocent of their treatment of orphans, either.

MIGRANT CHILDREN

Read up on the Cherokee Freedmen . After the civil war, the slaves owned by the Cherokee tribe were freed and they've been trying to be part of the Cherokee nation ever since. They've been members or not members, back and forth. It's still going on today.

CHEROKEE FREEDMEN

Yes, slavery is America's original sin. Who could have imagined that bringing uncivilized, unassimilable people to live in your midst could be a negative? /sarc
After the rebellion in Haiti, we should have got wise and deported every slave of color. But no, people were too greedy and short-sighted.
Slavery was worse for the owners than it was the slaves and almost everything that's wrong with America politically can be traced to slavery and our failure to deport them.

Looking at what DC and my state yanks away from me, I feel I'm a slave right now.

It could very well be argued that it was the revolt in Haiti that set the question of emancipation back 40 years!

Greed did play a part. But it was more of what do we do with them after emancipation? It was quite doubtful that many in the north or south would have been willing to fork over passage money home.

Up until the Civil war, poor southerners were duped into believing that their way of life depended on slavery even though very few of them ever owned a slave. They were kept poor because so many jobs were done by slaves but the slaveowners managed to convince them that slavery was helping them. Nothing has changed. The Democrats still dupe the people into believing that they're being helped when in fact they're being shafted.

No doubt everything you wrote is true. If they had just seen how costly the Civil War turned out to be, they would have thought different. Could have paid for purchasing all the slaves and giving them passage and some pocket change once they got there.

No, instead "free" labor and "free" ass clouded to much judgement.

Good video, thanks.

Tired of paying for the world's most expensive voting pets.....

At least before 1865 they all had to work.........

Good video.The truth is hurtful to some.

1st. America would be better off today IF every slave ship had SUNK ! No apologies.

2nd. The Black ?citizens? OUGHT to kiss the ground they stand and live on. WHERE on earth do Blacks live a better life
and have NUMEROUS opportunities to succeed? huh ?


jwall, and I said that.

I have Black friends and have worked with some Great Working Black guys. I don't Blackwash all of them.

When is the Coliseum going to be torn down?

Great video, BTW. Well worth a couple minutes.

The first recorded slave owner in colonial America was black.

Sure they did, the fur traders journal's made note of the slaves owned by Native tribes of the west coast, one of the main articles of trade.
The white man freed those who would otherwise.... in future generations be enslaved.

“Crazy James” Vann, Cherokee Chief and one of the weathiest men in America at the time, was rich enough that he could afford to burn a slave alive at the stake for stealing, as a warning to his other slaves.

But there was Indians and then again there was Indians, the most benign form of slavery I know was practiced by the Seminoles of Florida, a sort of mild feudalism where runaway slaves settled into their own villages and gave part of their harvest to the Seminoles proper. Lots miscegenation of course such that Osceola hisself was a mixture of Indian, White and Black.

During the Second Seminole War the enduring partnership of the Seminole Wildcat and the Black Seminole John Horse became legendary.

After the Seminoles and Black Seminoles fought the US to a standstill, the 500 Black Seminoles, negroes who had been engaged in a shooting war with the US Government, were actually allowed to bear arms during their removal to Indian Territory with the Seminoles on the pretext that they were their slaves.

In Oklahoma the Black Seminoles settled mostly in their own communities adjacent to those of the Seminoles. Ten years later, in the 1850’s, the US Government outlawed the practice of slaves bearing arms, thus legally disarming the Black Seminoles. In response, Creek Indian slavecatchers started abducting Black Seminoles and selling them into real slavery. John Horse’s own wife was kidnapped and sold off.

Whereupon the Black Seminoles accepted a deal with the Mexican Government; a land grant south of Eagle Pass/Piedras Negras in return for the interdiction of Kiowa, Apache and Comanche raids. Wildcat’s band accompanied them south. During the latter 1850’s the Seminoles and Black Seminoles likely intercepted far more War Parties and raiders than the Second Cavalry and Texas Rangers combined.

Wildcat died of smallpox in 1857, most of his band then returning to Oklahoma, the Black Seminoles under John Horse stayed on. Fifteen years later John Horse accepted a deal where they would scout for the US Cavalry out of Ft Clark, so they relocated there. Three Black Seminole Scouts were awarded Medals of Honor for feats of valor when going against Comanches.

I am not aware of an Indian tribe that DIDN'T practice slavery.

You did not want to be a slave of the Apache or any other tribe!

Quite true! It is the Indians who we really screwed over. Killed most of 'em and took their land away from what few were left.
As for these descendants of slaves, they are the luckiest black people in the world. Because their great grandfather was a slave, they got the hell out of the sh**hole of Africa and now live in a good and prosperous country.

As for slavery, an abomination. I am from the South and I can't wrap my mind around the idea that a person could own another person. It is sickening and horrible. But these descendants of African slaves are damn lucky and they need to shut their damn mouth.

I think the Egyptians owe the Jews back pay for 400 years of slavery.

Exodus says that the Hebrews impoverished the Egyptians when they left. They left quite wealthy in gold, jewelry, and livestock.

The original sin is millennials.

DING ! DING ! DING !

Holy Mackerel You Got It Right ! Look how FAR down American has SUNK since 2001 !!!

Don't forget who's responsible for them. And/or their parents.

Shush! Not while we are scolding them!

How old are your kids?

‘76
‘78

Not America's only sin.

Nobody is without sin.

Original is NOT only.

Original is not accurate here.

Yes
They call it taxes. The power to tax citizens is the power to own the fruit of their labor. Just got a bill for four grand. However many weeks/ months that takes is slavery to those providing me with no goods or services.

To a degree we are slaves in the sense that our properties have been stolen by the states. Now we are forced to pay a yearly rent or tribute to them. Same goes for transportation. There's half a dozen taxes on automobiles and fuel..

I've talked to dark skinned Americans who had a chip on their shoulder about "my" ancestors.
The thing is that my ancestors never owned slaves.
Some of them were from a country from which the term slave was derived. It isn't in Africa either. The Slavs were slaves.
Here's some interesting history.

https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=41445

And you’re still alive?

I think that it was benign relative to slavery in other societies. Like Aztecs slaughtered slaves by the thousands.

Dunce. When they were born.
Get UR hat.

Speaking of Indian slave holders, the incredible career of “Crazy James” Vann, who starts out life as a Cherokee Warrior attacking the settlers in Tennessee and goes on to acquire plantations and more than 100 slaves, among the very weathiest men in the entire US at that time. Crazy James meets his end in a tavern brawl, age 46, at the hands of r Cherokees, said brawl possibly arranged by his sister.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Vann

Vann had a number of wives (at the same time). going against matrilineal Cherokee custom a significant part of his wealth goes to his son “Rich Joe” Vann. If you read the link note the lengths gone to recapture runaway slaves.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Vann

It was Rich Joe who got the contract to ship the Seminoles and Black Seminoles out to the Indian Territory.

Like his father, Rich Joe died before his time, age 46.

The occasion was a party with several guests aboard one of his paddlewheelers plying the Ohio River. Another paddlewheeler start to overtake them and a race ensued. An intoxicated Rich Joe tied down the safety valve on the boiler and stoked the flames higher. When the other boat continued to gain ground, Joe threw some entire fat hog carcasses to stoke the fire even hotter.

At this point the Pilot, (who happened to be Black), dove overboard. Shortly thereafter the boiler exploded, several people were killed outright, others drowned after the explosion. The only identifiable part of Rich Joe recovered was his arm, found hanging in a tree some distance away, still clad in an expensive silk shirtsleeve. The knew it was Joe’s arm by the ring it wore.

Can I get reparations from the great State of Massachusetts???

I don't know about 'original', but about 85 years before the American Colonies became the USofA, residents of the Massachusetts Bay Colony took my 9th Great-Grandmother hung her by the neck until she was dead, and threw her body in a ditch to rot............

They said that she was a witch, but I don't believe in witches!

Dude,

I'd be writing to Senator Warren if I were you.

Dude,

I'd be writing to Senator Warren if I were you.

You know you’re an old person when others have to explain old people jokes to you.

LOL

Truth is the USA treated their slaves better than any other country....

Years ago some blacks I worked with were bitching about racisum... fact is when questioned none could give me an example of anyone being racist towards them....racism is bull [bleep].

After I listened to them and shot down their every claim of racism they offered....I stood up and told them

"You fellers should stop all the whining and get down on your hands and knees and worship the white man for bringing you to America...if not for us you would still be living in mud huts foraging for grub worms....you fellers need to get over it."

Well Yeah. Any farmer worth his salt treats His livestock well, and that was how they were considered. Not condoning it, but that was the facts of life back then. miles

I had a similar experience. I worked with a black guy that had a pretty big chip on his shoulder, came from Massachusetts, parents professors, certainly upper middle class.............

I said '...look, I don't want you to say thankyou! But aren't you better off as a result!?!?!?...' Crickets!

Dunce. When they were born.
Get UR hat.
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You know you’re an old person when others have to explain old people jokes to you.

LOL
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Okay -- MY Bad. Yesterday was a l o n g , day and I didn't even think U might be kidding!
I'll take that!

Still w/o going to full editor... a simple grin, lol or something would have helped.

As Fonzy would say, " I was wr...., wr...., not right. GRIN

Like some of y'all were saying, those Indians were just murder with their slaves. The Comanche in 1820 were a large and powerful tribe. They would raid Apache villages in New Mexico, or Spanish settlements near San Antonio, or the American settlements in east Texas. All enemies were all treated equally. Five and six year old boys and girls who were captured, if they were tough enough, were taken back to the Comanche camp in north Texas and adopted into the tribe. A 21 year old female who was captured, had it about as bad as any person who has ever lived. She was a sex slave and would be raped by a half dozen warriors, night after night.


If she made it back to the village alive, she was a slave with fewer rights than a dog. She was forced to gather firewood, scrape buffalo hides, to do the dirtiest work around the camp. Every night banged by a half dozen warriors. And if a squaw got jealous because her husband was spending too much time with the new captive, the squaw would just cut the captive girl's nose off! Or maybe slice off one of her ears. Or a Comanche could just kill a captive adult, with no recrimination. The Comanche slave literally had fewer rights than a pet dog. There were at least a dozen 21, or 24 year old white girls who made it back to American settlements, who had their nose or ears cut off by Comanche squaws. No, you didn't want to be a slave of the Comanche.

And back in the year 800 AD, the Maya would have big ceremonies where slaves, captured in war, would be marched to the top of the pyramid. Laid down on the stone altar, on their backs, the priest cut the heart out of the living slave with an obsidian knife. The Maya would kill 500 slaves in a single day, and the gutters of the pyramid ran red with blood.

I am not making excuses for slavery of negros to pick cotton in Georgia, but, cotton picking slaves had it a lot better than some of the slaves in North America.

I’m pretty sure that American slaves in the US were the only slave population that ever increased by natural reproduction. That is that more slaves were born than were dying. In nearly every other instance of widespread slavery, slaves were treated so harshly that in order to maintain numbers large numbers had to be imported every year.

The Indians were treated badly by the the US Government. We essentially lied to them and stole from them. Took their way of life away.

On the other hand the US treated them a whole lot better than they treated each other. Where I live, we hear a lot about how the Sioux were mistreated. Perhaps rightfully so. But the Sioux were a hell of a lot worse to the Crow and other tribes. Tribes were constantly killing and stealing from each other.

The thing is, North America was going to be conquered by an outside power, and in a lot of ways, the natives here are fortunate who their conquerors are. How many other conquered nations are treated as well as they are currently?

I certainly understand that it would suck to look at all this land now that once belonged to your ancestors. On the other hand, spend some time at Pine Ridge and consider how much they care about the land. As things are now, we are probably too good to them for their own good and we are enabling a broken cycle.

We often look at things from a moral or Christian perspective, and rightfully so. But from a historical perspective, seeing the wrongs of the past and where the world is today, sometimes things happen for a reason and sometimes good comes from bad. I suspect that we all have ancestors from the past who were mistreated by some other group and that is how they ended up here. I don’t think Europe was always as genteel as it is currently.

One thing is for sure, not one of us here today has owned a slave or gunned down a bunch of native women and children in their winter camp. Nor is there a native born black who was ever a slave. And native kids have more opportunity available to them than my kids, if they so choose to take advantage of it.

There comes a point where you have to let go of the things that happened to you, even more so what happened to your ancestors, and take responsibility for your own life.

Nope. Our parents and grand parents are responsible.They opened up the treasury to be looted. They are the ones that allowed the USA to form a Federal Reserve, allowed the USA to be drawn into 2 world wars, and established Social Security. SS and fiat money is now the sword the government and the central bankers hold. Without fiat money, wars fought with created money, and SS we would still be industrious and wealthy.

Look at what the Spanish and Portuguese did to the natives in Mexico, Caribbean, and South America.

Or the conquered nations that were utterly destroyed. We don’t even know there names now. Or those that were forcibly assimilated and lost all aspects of their own culture. It hasn’t always been the case, but the US has been very generous and benevolent with the Indians for decades at this point.

Yes we have, and it has proven to be to their detriment. As someone else mentioned Pine Ridge. Go there and see what socialism and guaranteed allowances will do for humans. Would have been far better to make them equal citizens forced to obey and conform to society

Agreed.