Daughter is in nursing school. And YRMC hospital, and the VA. Are mandating the jab for her to complete her required clinical. No clinical,no nursing degree. Any legal advice?



Take car, Willie

I found this yesterday. You might find some ideas.

https://lc.org/

Tell her to quit and become a female master electrician and plumber for residential service and she’ll be rich.

I have a niece I talked into this and she is living large. I watched her turn the water off at the street, change two dripping faucets in less than three minutes and the people payed $300. She only takes these fast jobs and does about 10-15 per day, no shortage of business. She makes over $3,500 per day six days a week and takes off as much as she wants.

Life is too short for bullchit and who needs another master.

Same here. One of our daughters has her Masters degree in nursing and has been working for the Veterans Administration for several years now. She told me they all were all given notice that they will be required to get the covid-19 shots.

Severe shortage of skilled tradesmen/women.
Sparkies and plumbers don’t need to lift heavy, just need training and certs.
Leave healthcare to those inclined to follow mandates.

Easy bring brass knuckles to work and start at the top and work your way down. [bleep] the va. Aint nothin but a bunch of lying twat waffles. The less the better.

Tell her to quit and go on thinking that she got one over on them. She will be flipping burgers while another person takes her place. She’s not special, so what’s required of the job or f u c k off.

Really F'd up. I'm not convinced getting one of the jabs matters, but, damned well don't believe any entity should be mandating it, no matter the profession. It's so fuucking blown out of proportion.

Totally up to them. Might be something worth drawing a line in the sand about, time will tell if there's relevant legal challenges that'd support the decision to resist.

A nationwide strike against mandates? I would like to park the truck in support of it.

She needs to make them fire her, not quit.

Get vaccinated, get degree, live happy. Just my opinion, which ain’t worth nothing. We have been vaccinated all our lives, this one ain’t gonna hurt a person anymore than the others. If everyone would have gotten vaccinated, this crap would have died out already according to my doctor, but what does he know, he is only a doctor.

Dumbest chit I read today!

You do know ineptitude does not recognize industry right? Someone had to graduate at the bottom.

Tell her if she doesn't want to do it take a year or two off and see where it sits then.

Your doctor and anyone who goes to or believes him are then certifiable brainwashed morons

Dude your an ass. She has mucho effort in a path and now feels like she must risk her health to continue. Tons of nurses worked through the early pandemic and continue to this day with no jab. Some people do not want an experimental mrna drug to ward of a disease that the survival rate is very high particularly amongst the young. The emotional response of people in this situation is to want to start slitting throats(yours included) not some trite bs about being special.

The situation sucks either way you look at it. Effing china and us.gov has screwed the pooch and americans are getting bent over. People like you are encouraging americans to be forced to do this. So basically your the guy cheering them into the train cars... if you cant respect anothers point of veiw and constitutional rights then at some point we will stop playing nice.

Do they require her to wear clothes? I don’t like it either, but organizations have rules. You can dance to their music or dust off your feet and move on.

J&J. One and one. It fulfills the requirements. I have heard of no one requiring a booster for the J&J jab. It's my understanding that the J&J shot does not depend on the rMA technology . It supposedly uses some tried and true technology verses the Phizer and Moderna. She will have to use her own research skills to confirm what technology they used.

kwg

Like I told you, just crawl in a ditch and die, you little commie chkunt. Wish I could be there to assist you in the only right thing you'll ever do.

She has a choice, rules change all the time with businesses and other organizations as well as most things in life. If she don’t want the jab move on. Any school I ever attended or job I worked, gave me choices, go by their rules or leave.

There are a few things here.

#1 the OP never mentions any conversation between her dr & his daughter. Hanco your dr knows you and your medical history and suggested the vaccine but that means nothing with regard to the OP’s question at all.

Expertism has been a long time fallacy prevalent on the left but during this COVID nonsense we’ve seen how it’s endemic in the culture at large. Experts can and do make mistakes within their fields all the time. Those of us who are professionals are experts in one field or another and have made mistakes, and we’re all very well aware of historically significant times when the majority of experts in a given field held views that ultimately proved false.

Every individual ought to have the right to decide on this for him or herself and this collectivist nonsense needs to stop. If individuals are subsumed by the collective we are all robbed of our humanity.

The state would love nothing more than for us to surrender our rights for the sake of convenience in the hope that if we do we’ll be left alone. I’ve given up an awful lot in the past year and am still being hounded so I doubt that this one little prick of the needle will change their pattern of behavior up until this point.

One man's opinion about it, that's all. No worries brother Hanco.

Potential legal exposure to a employer who mandates the jab as a condition of employment ???

Big pharma is protected from liabilities, should the jab cause side effects, now, and into the future.

Possibly, an employer wouldn’t have such legal protection.

An attorney could say if a lawsuit is attainable against her employer, if she takes the shot and develops a medical side effect from it.

Something akin to asbestos mesothelioma or any other variety of health problems that companies are being sued for, for making employees exposed to a toxin as a condition of employment.

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That would seem to me to be what ought to be the risk, but I think employers are far more attuned to the “risk” of having some unvaccinated employee accused of being some sort of vector for the super deadly virus and having THAT laid at their feet.

Good point.

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Neither is a reasonable solution in her situation.

As I said, she's been working for VA for several years now but still has a ways to go to be eligible for VA retirement pension and benefits. Also, she has a good job that pays well with good benefits at VA and that's not physically demanding as working in an ordinary hospital would be, which is very important for her as she suffered severe spinal injuries in a bad car wreck about 20 years ago that left her with a screwed up back. Much money and time already spent getting her degrees, ...too much to change career fields now.

Regarding litigation over firing of employees by employers for refusing to get mandatory inoculations, what about in 'At Will' states?

Let's not derail this with union/anti BS that involves 150 years of both
legitimate and not arguments.


People need to follow the ideas of old with solidarity.
We have been conditioned for years to "Look out for #1,
dog eat dog, climb over your co-workers bodies to the top".


The solution to this isn't to be self serving, it's to stand with
your compatriots. The greater good in this case, is the individual good also.

I thought there was a religious exemption?

Tell her to just take the vaccine. It's free, it takes about 30 seconds, a hundred million Americans or more have gotten it, there are no provable side effects.

And it's been proven to either prevent or greatly diminish the symptoms of Covid.

And any other employer will very soon require it as well.

Me too. ??

A choice among priorities. If she is dead set against having the required shot, she has options. YMRC and the Prescott VA are not her only situations for doing her clinical work. although it may cost her some time to interrupt those and set up elsewhere. The faculty in her program can and should help her with such options.

She probably can not meet the local college requirement for the ADN degree without the clinical component required, but she very well may be able to sit for the state cert test anyway.

if she decides to face off against the requirement by those two entities, she should soon request relief from their requirement in writing with explicit reasoning and copies to all appropriate parties (document, document, document). In that communication, she should speak to the potential effect on her degree, certification and career as a result of their in-stream arbitrary and capricious action (most likely, any such requirement was not in any agreement she may have signed) and make certain that any unusual action is done by them. She should make her case, keep doing a good job in the clinical, document every thing/every day, and leave the action ball in their court.

Just some off-the-cuff ideas this morning. You may wish to consult with actual experts.

Way back when, we all had to have Hep B vax or no clinic, so there is precedence.

Also, for as far back as I can remember, kids have had to have up to date records of getting all the required mandatory inoculations before being allowed to enroll in public schools.

I've said this before, can't be much of a real pandemic if they are firing docs and nurses that would be needed to take care of folks.

OP, hope something works out for your girl.

Absolutely.

Me too. Prayers uplifted.

Because they both have the same history of development, testing and long term use.

Give your head a shake.

Had to brand, medicate, and ear mark some late calves this morning. Thanks to all that were sincere with recommendations. She will probably go the religious exemption route.



Take care, Willie

Good luck.

Darn shame we can't find simple, honest data concerning this virus.

How to Handle an Employee's Request... Accommodation to a Vaccine Requirement


Employers' Guide to the Religious Exemption for the COVID-19 Vaccine


Services Will Make Call on Religious Exemptions to COVID-19 Vaccines


The COVID-19 Vaccine Is Here: What About Religious and Medical Exemptions in the Workplace?


Attorney: Most religious exemptions for mandatory vaccines will fail

It's made up as we go.

You can. Ask your state what percentage of Covid cases in recent weeks were not vaccinated. In Ohio, the pandemic is pretty much non existent for those people who have been vaccinated.

can't get much better advice than that.