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Posted By: wabigoon Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Our good friend called me, the power line to our place in NW Ontario is torn down, and Hydro One pulled the meter out of the socket.

I called Hydro One, and was informed we will have to pass a new inspection before the will hook up back.

It looks like a special trip, if not two to get the power back to where it was, and, no doubt a couple thousand dollars, or more.
Posted By: TrueGrit Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
That's not right, good luck with it.
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Don't forget your quadrupled vaxx card to cross the border.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
It's going to be a real mess.
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Better go geared for ice fishing!
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
I'm sure the inspection requirements have changed for the stricter since we passed the many years ago,
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
What took the power line down?
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Jim, I don't know, I called the Ontario Police, and left a message hoping they will look into it.
Posted By: GWPGUY Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Evnin Wabi, how much time do ya spend up there??? Go propane heat, stove, fridge, 12volt water pump, and propane hot water. I believe that if your hooked up to the grid later there going to charge you delivery even if your not using power. Have a small back up generator away from the cabin in an enclosure or shed (exhausted out side) you'll never hear it. Just a thought, good luck. Bill. ๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ
Posted By: 5sdad Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Hope that it works out as well as possible, Richard.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Thanks all, with hindsight, we should have gone propane, and a generator.
Posted By: CashisKing Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Originally Posted by wabigoon
It's going to be a real mess.


Yes it is...

Depending on the "re-inspection" requirements... it might mean 2022 code compliance... that will be a big $$$ ouch.

Good luck.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
I'll have to talk with a live Hydro inspector to learn anything.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
I don't understand why they pulled the meter?
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
They will do that when the loop is in such a state of disrepair that it is a danger.
Posted By: ruffcutt Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/12/22
Originally Posted by GWPGUY
Evnin Wabi, how much time do ya spend up there??? Go propane heat, stove, fridge, 12volt water pump, and propane hot water. I believe that if your hooked up to the grid later there going to charge you delivery even if your not using power. Have a small back up generator away from the cabin in an enclosure or shed (exhausted out side) you'll never hear it. Just a thought, good luck. Bill. ๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

+1 Get off the grid if at all possible. Iโ€™m guessing to comply is going to end up big $ anyway.
Posted By: AZmark Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
I've worked over 30 yrs for a couple different utilities.

Yep, once a service is damaged and needs to be replaced it has to be replaced under current codes. Typically a 22kA rated service.
Typically the service is the responsibility of the property owner, the utility only owns the meter head placed in your service socket.
Most utilities aren't responsible for trees on your property falling on the line, or for a snow slide off your roof knocking out your meter
Most utilities will not reconnect to a service pole (if damaged) older than about 5 yrs, you have to replace the pole/service drop.
If a service is damaged they pull the meter to keep someone from reconnecting to it in a sub-standard manner....you know like okierigging or "other" type of rigging.
Posted By: RS308MX Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Originally Posted by wabigoon
I'll have to talk with a live Hydro inspector to learn anything.



The dead inspectors not being very helpful?
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Live as in, not a machine.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Live as in, not a machine.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
I don't understand why they pulled the meter?

it sounds less than accidental to me..
when you say "power lines torn down" did your neighbor observe a down tree? or just that the power lines were gone?
possabilities:
people are stealing copper wire like the did in the Zero years....
Sparkle Socks is playing games and has Hydro Quebec on leash..
continued speculation based upon the crazy chit that socialists are doing
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
I need to make some calls in the morning. Hopefully get ahold of the fellow that cut the wires.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Can you make a deal with that dirt floor hermit that lives on the island in the middle of the lake to do some handyman repairs for you?
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
"A man is born into trouble as sure as sparks fly upward." The Book of Job."

I'll do what I can.
Posted By: DMc Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
While you're there...., get some pics of the cabin so we can all oogle.
Posted By: 673 Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Don't you have a buddy that can go and take care of it for you?
Posted By: ironbender Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Originally Posted by 673
Don't you have a buddy that can go and take care of it for you?

What about that feller you was worried about last month?
Posted By: MarkWV Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Originally Posted by wabigoon
"A man is born into trouble as sure as sparks fly upward." The Book of Job."

I'll do what I can.


Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and he will establish your plans.
Proverbs 16:3
Posted By: coobie Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Originally Posted by wabigoon
I don't understand why they pulled the meter?
That should NOT have happened.They should just have cut the wire at the transformer and left your meter.
Posted By: Hammer2506 Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
What about your uncles brother Claude? He should be able to fix it.
Posted By: mike7mm08 Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Know nothing about your particular situation. But I know there is a big push in a lot of rural areas to go underground with all power. Perhaps the down line got them to take the preliminary steps to change service over to underground. Seasonal usage no need to hook anything back up, take everything that is not needed before the local methheads do. Or the local methheads took everything from square one and the power company knows nothing.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
I just called them again. We are stuck to replace the bent mask.

Then an inspection, but only for the new work. I'm still irritated about it all.

I'll ask our good friend for a recommendation on an electrician.

Thanks all.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Richard, a little clarification please.

Is it the line from your "pole" to the cabin, or external & to your pole.

Option 1 is your responsibility & option 2 is their responsibility !

Don't understand them pulling the meter.

Just thought of something else.

With the weather we've been experiencing (snow, ice, slush), if wouldn't surprise me if the transformer blew.

If their transformer blew, causing your issues, it is their problem to fix.
Posted By: JeffA Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
[Linked Image from hartlandelectric.com]

Originally Posted by New_2_99s

If their transformer blew, causing your issues, it is their problem to fix.


WTF

How could a transformer issue have fckall to do with a POS mast getting bent?
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Thanks Jeff - great illustration of what I mentioned above.

Background - in 2011 I was managing our local ski hill. In March, right before spring break, we had an ice storm, that took out Hydro Ones transformer, that sat atop of a pole, owned by the ski hill.

Hydro 1 boss dude tells me I have to authorize them to remove & replace the pole, at our cost.

I look from the guy, to the still smoldering pole & the burnt up transformer, shake my head & ask - "So you're telling me, that we must pay you to replace our pole, that your transformer burnt" ?

Yep.

Ah, I don't think so, get me a manager on your cell & I'm going to ask him, exactly the same thing.

Guy wanders back to the crew, don't know whether he called anybody, comes back 5 minutes later & says they'll handle it.

As they're working away, another hydro 1 guy (Ski hill member) wanders past, casually smoking a cigarette, flicks his eyes to round the corner of the building.

I go back into the Chalet through the side door & exit the front door to meet him on the deck.

He tells me "good on you, you have no idea how many times we intimidate people into paying, for what should be our responsibility" !

Mighta bought him a beer or 3 the following weekend.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Originally Posted by JeffA
Originally Posted by New_2_99s

If their transformer blew, causing your issues, it is their problem to fix.


WTF

How could a transformer issue have fckall to do with a POS mast getting bent?


No idea, that's why I was asking for clarification !

Why would a bent mast, render the system inoperable ?
Originally Posted by JeffA
[Linked Image from hartlandelectric.com]

Originally Posted by New_2_99s

If their transformer blew, causing your issues, it is their problem to fix.


WTF

How could a transformer issue have fckall to do with a POS mast getting bent?


so what happens if you have one(or several) private poles between the utility pole and your mast/drop?
POS is at the pole disconnect switch?
or the meter?
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Thanks Jeff - great illustration of what I mentioned above.

Background - in 2011 I was managing our local ski hill. In March, right before spring break, we had an ice storm, that took out Hydro Ones transformer, that sat atop of a pole, owned by the ski hill.

Hydro 1 boss dude tells me I have to authorize them to remove & replace the pole, at our cost.

I look from the guy, to the still smoldering pole & the burnt up transformer, shake my head & ask - "So you're telling me, that we must pay you to replace our pole, that your transformer burnt" ?

Yep.

Ah, I don't think so, get me a manager on your cell & I'm going to ask him, exactly the same thing.

Guy wanders back to the crew, don't know whether he called anybody, comes back 5 minutes later & says they'll handle it.

As they're working away, another hydro 1 guy (Ski hill member) wanders past, casually smoking a cigarette, flicks his eyes to round the corner of the building.

I go back into the Chalet through the side door & exit the front door to meet him on the deck.

He tells me "good on you, you have no idea how many times we intimidate people into paying, for what should be our responsibility" !

Mighta bought him a beer or 3 the following weekend.


I don't understand this BS. It's not like they're on commission.
Posted By: JeffA Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Just reference the illustration, it defines what a pole and a mast are.
Posted By: kkahmann Re: Trouble with the cabin. - 01/13/22
Had a tree down on my line which bent the mast above the meter box. I got lucky in that it didnโ€™t tear up the meter box itself. I went to wholesalers in Thunder Bay and bought a new mast with cable and installed it myself. When finished I called for an inspection and then the inspecter called Ontario Hydro to come and hook it up. Inspected only in this neighborhood once a week so that was the longest wait. This occurred in the early 2000โ€™s and out of pocket expense was only about $130.
Youโ€™ll prolly have to call an electrician Richard but itโ€™s not that big a job.
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