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Supreme Court just handed Biden admin biggest blow yet to federal vaccine mandate for businesses
It took them long enough.

Let's go Brandon !
About freakin' TIME....
Still left it in place for the health care industry. Not a complete win
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Still left it in place for the health care industry. Not a complete win


Going to be ruff have to learn/speak Honduran just to get medical help.
Poor old Joe
Originally Posted by hanco
Poor old Joe

He's old and senile but far from poor.
Anyone that thinks this is a win, well, remember that when you've got caregivers that can't or barely speak English.

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So they threw healthcare workers under the bus.
My wife has been taking PT since Jan 2 getting tested. She was in line and her boss called and told her she didnā€™t have to.
Getting results back after you already needed a new test...

Itā€™s still FUBAR it went to SCOTUS .

Iā€™m sure obama has another back door he will be testing.
Originally Posted by goalie
Anyone that thinks this is a win, well, remember that when you've got caregivers that can't or barely speak English.

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EXACTLY
These socialists are incrementalists . They moved the ball hugely to the left.
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab. About half of the guys at my station haven't and said they won't take it and if it's required we will just find other jobs. If its mandated for us good luck when you call 911!
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So, mandates are constitutional, just canā€™t use OSHA to enforce them.

This will eventually bit us in the ass.
Will have to read more on the decision but I think youā€™re exactly right Steve
I feel for the amHealth Care workers. They shouldnā€™t have to get jabbed.
"The Solicitor General does not dispute that OSHA is limited to regulating ā€œwork-related dangers.ā€ Response Brief for OSHA in No. 21A244 etc., p. 45 (OSHA Response). She instead argues that the risk of contracting COVIDā€“19 qualifies as such a danger. We cannot agree. Although COVIDā€“ 19 is a risk that occurs in many workplaces, it is not an occupational hazard in most. COVIDā€“19 can and does spread at home, in schools, during sporting events, and everywhere else that people gather. That kind of universal risk is no different from the day-to-day dangers that all face from crime, air pollution, or any number of communicable diseases. Permitting OSHA to regulate the hazards of daily lifeā€”simply because most Americans have jobs and face those same risks while on the clockā€”would significantly expand OSHAā€™s regulatory authority without clear congressional authorization"
Originally Posted by org_Rogue_Hunter
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Still left it in place for the health care industry. Not a complete win

Going to be ruff have to learn/speak Honduran just to get medical help.
That's the way it always goes when government takes over healthcare.
Roberts and Kavanaugh sided with the libs on the medical mandate.
Voting Rights Now!
Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch and Barrett dissented on the healthcare workers mandate. So Chief Justice Benedict Roberts once again shafted America and Kavanaugh joined him.

Thomas and Alito each wrote dissents with the others joining them in their dissents.

Biden v. Missouri
Originally Posted by Morewood
Roberts and Kavanaugh sided with the libs on the medical mandate.


Now Kavanaugh can quit looking over his shoulder for another Ballsy Ford and Robertā€™s can breath a sigh of relieve, allowing him to keep his illegality adopted children and forget about Epstein island for awhile. Well until the next big ruling to come.
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..
Amazing how the 3 Liberals staunchly follow the party line over and over again regardless of legalities, while there are always conservatives that bend.
Originally Posted by Redneck
About freakin' TIME....
It takes time to hear all the evidence and make an intelligent decision. I'm sure that all 9 knew before it started how they would vote but it's necessary to put on a show.
Originally Posted by JeffP
My wife has been taking PT since Jan 2 getting tested. She was in line and her boss called and told her she didnā€™t have to.
Getting results back after you already needed a new test...

Itā€™s still FUBAR it went to SCOTUS .

Iā€™m sure obama has another back door he will be testing.



The back door leaves s lot of interpretation open , but figure about anyone would fit
Kenneth
Sucks for the Med Community and us! Only going to be the vaxxed seeing people and spreading their virus everywhere
Originally Posted by steve4102
So, mandates are constitutional, just canā€™t use OSHA to enforce them.

This will eventually bit us in the ass.


Real question is whether the Biden administration will take a page from Barry's playbook, ignore any SCOTUS ruling, and forge on. "It's for the children" dontcha know.
Iā€™ll need to read the verdict to get details, but if CMS can demand you get vaccinated because you are a hospital employee at a hospital that accepts Medicare, then why canā€™t they force PATIENTS who are on Medicare (or get Social Security, for that matter) to get vaccinated???
The decision makes no sense. OSHA can't mandate shots, but private hospitals can?

What the hell has happened to the SCOTUS????
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
The decision makes no sense. OSHA can't mandate shots, but private hospitals can?

What the hell has happened to the SCOTUS????

Civics 101
Originally Posted by Dinny
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..
If you guys chose to get it, then good enough. But to force it on people who donā€™t want it is Josef Mengele-type crap. Itā€™s clearly proven that the shots do NOT stop you from getting Covid, and itā€™s clearly proven that the shots do NOT stop you from spreading Covid. So since they clearly provide zero ā€œpreventionā€ regarding ā€˜gettingā€™ and ā€˜spreadingā€™ Covid, they should NOT be forced on anyone who doesnā€™t want emā€™.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
The decision makes no sense. OSHA can't mandate shots, but private hospitals can?

What the hell has happened to the SCOTUS????

Civics 101



Exactly
Originally Posted by goalie
Anyone that thinks this is a win, well, remember that when you've got caregivers that can't or barely speak English.

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there's enough of them now even before covid
He has been ass f u c ked by the courts so often it is unbelievable.
Anything regarding Hospitals and doctors refusing to treat patients due to "vaccination" status? I've read a lot about them turning away patients who need medical care because they refused the "vaccination."
Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab. About half of the guys at my station haven't and said they won't take it and if it's required we will just find other jobs. If its mandated for us good luck when you call 911!



Good for you, Stand strong Brother!
Originally Posted by High_Noon
Anything regarding Hospitals and doctors refusing to treat patients due to "vaccination" status? I've read a lot about them turning away patients who need medical care because they refused the "vaccination."



I'd have to spit some Beechnut in that dudes eye....
if they allow any exception to this rule, it means nothing. Does this mean that folks will have to be given their jobs back?
Originally Posted by Dinny
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..



My favorites are the ones who go on social media and brag about getting the Jab and then DIE from it, that's some pretty funny schit!
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Dinny
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..
If you guys chose to get it, then good enough. But to force it on people who donā€™t want it is Josef Mengele-type crap. Itā€™s clearly proven that the shots do NOT stop you from getting Covid, and itā€™s clearly proven that the shots do NOT stop you from spreading Covid. So since they clearly provide zero ā€œpreventionā€ regarding ā€˜gettingā€™ and ā€˜spreadingā€™ Covid, they should NOT be forced on anyone who doesnā€™t want emā€™.


Youā€™re making too much sense.....
Originally Posted by fburgtx
Iā€™ll need to read the verdict to get details, but if CMS can demand you get vaccinated because you are a hospital employee at a hospital that accepts Medicare, then why canā€™t they force PATIENTS who are on Medicare (or get Social Security, for that matter) to get vaccinated???

Wait for it.
Originally Posted by fburgtx
Iā€™ll need to read the verdict to get details, but if CMS can demand you get vaccinated because you are a hospital employee at a hospital that accepts Medicare, then why canā€™t they force PATIENTS who are on Medicare (or get Social Security, for that matter) to get vaccinated???

JUST WAIT ,,,, for unemployment benefits, SS benefits, Medicare/Medicaid benefits you will have to be vaccinated
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
if they allow any exception to this rule, it means nothing. Does this mean that folks will have to be given their jobs back?

No, but it means they ā€œcanā€ be hired back unvaccinated ā€œifā€ the company so chooses.
The supremes have limited the power of the executive branch and given power to an administrative agency. I havenā€™t read up on the decision but this is what Iā€™m reading from appearances.
Originally Posted by Dinny
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..



What is your point?
Thw Healthcare system just got screwed.
Originally Posted by IZH27
The supremes have limited the power of the executive branch and given power to an administrative agency. I havenā€™t read up on the decision but this is what Iā€™m reading from appearances.

No.
Originally Posted by Morewood
Roberts and Kavanaugh sided with the libs on the medical mandate.


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Biden KNEW that was unconstitutional.

He even said it was before he did it.

That shows you in black and white that liberals will subvert the Constitution to push their agenda.

Fug Joe Biden. Fug 'em all. Short and tall.
I don't call that a win, our healthcare system will suffer from this supreme court decision. I feel for the residents in nursing homes. I am totally against vaccine mandates or any mandates by employers and government.
Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by Dinny
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..



My favorites are the ones who go on social media and brag about getting the Jab and then DIE from it, that's some pretty funny schit!


works both ways.......bob
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Biden KNEW that was unconstitutional.

He even said it was before he did it.

That shows you in black and white that liberals will subvert the Constitution to push their agenda.

Fug Joe Biden. Fug 'em all. Short and tall.


Same Biden/obama game plan with the eviction mandate. The left doesnā€™t care about the constitution or individual rights.
Duke16: Indeed china joe and his ho took it up the ass, TWICE, today!
He-he.
The filibuster reaming then the S.C.O.T.U.S. reaming certainly had to hurt that old geezers anus.
And it couldn't have happened to a more worthy recipient.
He-he.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Duke16: Indeed china joe and his ho took it up the ass, TWICE, today!
He-he.
The filibuster reaming then the S.C.O.T.U.S. reaming certainly had to hurt that old geezers anus.
And it couldn't have happened to a more worthy recipient.
He-he.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
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LMAO
The wise Latina is a damn retard. Another FBHO mistake.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Duke16: Indeed china joe and his ho took it up the ass, TWICE, today!
He-he.
The filibuster reaming then the S.C.O.T.U.S. reaming certainly had to hurt that old geezers anus.
And it couldn't have happened to a more worthy recipient.
He-he.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy


Biden didn't even know it and the Ho didn't even feel it.
Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab. About half of the guys at my station haven't and said they won't take it and if it's required we will just find other jobs. If its mandated for us good luck when you call 911!






Good for you.

Fugk Pedo Joe.
Originally Posted by Dinny
I've worked EMS for the last 20+ years and all of the men in my station are vaccinated. We live comfortable worry-free lives and still haven't grown a third eye. An ounce of prevention..

You should all be fired on the spot if by now you think this so called vaccine is working.
Originally Posted by Pretorian814
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Duke16: Indeed china joe and his ho took it up the ass, TWICE, today!
He-he.
The filibuster reaming then the S.C.O.T.U.S. reaming certainly had to hurt that old geezers anus.
And it couldn't have happened to a more worthy recipient.
He-he.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy


Biden didn't even know it and the Ho didn't even feel it.

laugh laugh laugh
Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right
Originally Posted by High_Noon
Anything regarding Hospitals and doctors refusing to treat patients due to "vaccination" status? I've read a lot about them turning away patients who need medical care because they refused the "vaccination."


I'd have to spit some Beechnut in that dudes eye....


It happens all too often
Originally Posted by Gringo Loco
So they threw healthcare workers under the bus.


Yep. As a helicopter EMS pilot, this may leave me unemployed. My 401k says I canā€™t retire yetā€¦

John
Originally Posted by goalie
Anyone that thinks this is a win, well, remember that when you've got caregivers that can't or barely speak English.

šŸ˜‰


I agree.
Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab.


Honest question.

Has your time spent in EMS influenced your decision to not take the shot ?
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by Morewood
Roberts and Kavanaugh sided with the libs on the medical mandate.


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Tucker Carlson, with millions watching his show, just said, "With no help from Kavanaugh, that cringing little liberal".

What a trainwreck.
Originally Posted by SCRUBS
Originally Posted by goalie
Anyone that thinks this is a win, well, remember that when you've got caregivers that can't or barely speak English.

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I agree.



Oh, and wrap your mind around this:

You can be currently COVID positive and still work.

But if you HAD COVID and recovered, but youā€™re unvaccinated, you canā€™t.

Think about how fuucking absurd that is.
Biden's approval rating is lower than the temperature of dry ice.
The bad thing with the Medical Professionals, having to take the jab is, they see the bull schit first hand everyday.
Originally Posted by 284LUVR
Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab.


Honest question.

Has your time spent in EMS influenced your decision to not take the shot ?



100% here...along with a handful of immediate family members in the medical field.

Last numbers I was aware of showed less than 40% of our Fire Department has taken the ā€œvaccineā€. Ainā€™t happening...
Originally Posted by 284LUVR
Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab.


Honest question.

Has your time spent in EMS influenced your decision to not take the shot ?


My experience with patients has influenced my decision. I have seen some nursing facility/elderly patients with Covid that only knew they had it because of constant testing and I have seen some relatively healthy people have a hard time with it. Since the shot has been approved and stuck in a bunch of people I have seen no difference in patients with no shot and patients with multiple shots as far as Covid symptoms. Both are sick, both go to the hospital, most live and some of both die. The chances of a relatively healthy person being killed by Covid is very small but I have seen a couple patients with no seizure history start having seizures after their covid shot, one of my buddies moms took the shot and the next morning a blood clot put her in the hospital and one of the guys on my shift took his first one and his arm swelled up so big he has to go to the hospital and missed shift for almost 2 weeks. I know that's just a few people out of all the locals that have taken the shot but I feel like I have better odds dealing with Covid IF I catch it rather than intentionally rolling the dice with the shot and hoping I'm not one of the ones with a bad reaction. I'm in no way anti vax but this particular one just feels like a government approved big pharma money grab without a care for the peoples best interest or long term consequences so I'm not take it and neither are my wife and kids.
Originally Posted by joshf303
Originally Posted by 284LUVR
Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
I have worked in EMS for almost 20 years now and I won't be taking the jab.


Honest question.

Has your time spent in EMS influenced your decision to not take the shot ?



100% here...along with a handful of immediate family members in the medical field.

Last numbers I was aware of showed less than 40% of our Fire Department has taken the ā€œvaccineā€. Ainā€™t happening...


Care to tell what influenced your decision coming from your area of employment ?

Thanks.
We need to stop calling the shot a vaccine.

Itā€™s a therapeutic at best, and not as good as ivermectin and hydroxychloraquine.

IMO. šŸ˜‰
https://gab.com/WayoftheWorld/posts/107620234570223319
I'm no longer mystified; but remain somewhat amazed at many people's dedication to ignorance. Had a person admonish me for advocating covid vaccinations the day after his sister in law's funeral. She had died of covid and statistically wouldn't have if she'd been vaccinated.

Anyone with internet access can find valid studies showing that the ivermectin and vitamin route has helped in very very few instances. Mainly third world countries where internal parasites and vitamin deficiencies are common - not the USA. They help by addressing those issues, not by actually addressing covid. For most, they are likely counterproductive.

People in the USA sometimes improve after taking those treatments; but they are improving in spite of not because of.

If you really want to get a real world idea, find out the percentage of the people in your local hospital or cemetery who died of covid and were fully vaccinated vs. not. It isn't even close. Your odds of being hospitalized and dying are much higher if you are unvaccinated.

Finally, as to the scotus decision, it went like most who follow scotus predicted. The net result from it - in most situations - will be the granting of a lot of religious exemptions to people with no religious beliefs. Employers will have to due to staffing shortages. As a result, there will be more patients infected. It just is what it is.

To the EMS person, I'm aware of several deaths directly resulting from a person being infected by an EMT while in an ambulance. If the deceased people's families were aware, that person and their employer would both be bankrupt and reviled by now.
Originally Posted by Rangersedge
I'm no longer mystified; but remain somewhat amazed at many people's dedication to ignorance.



The rest of your post is a great example of ignorance.

For the first time in history - the effectiveness of a medical procedure is being blamed on those who have not taken it. People who don't have a disease are being blamed for others having it who have a vaccine against it.
Originally Posted by Rangersedge
Employers will have to due to staffing shortages. As a result, there will be more patients infected. It just is what it is.



Even the CDC is starting to admit the ā€œvaccineā€ which itā€™s not does not help against catching or transmitting the virus, only helping folks (who likely have significant co-morbidities) recover. So given that please elaborate on the ā€œmore patients infectedā€? Seriously, good luck because you are dead wrong.
Originally Posted by Rangersedge
I'm no longer mystified; but remain somewhat amazed at many people's dedication to ignorance. Had a person admonish me for advocating covid vaccinations the day after his sister in law's funeral. She had died of covid and statistically wouldn't have if she'd been vaccinated.

Anyone with internet access can find valid studies showing that the ivermectin and vitamin route has helped in very very few instances. Mainly third world countries where internal parasites and vitamin deficiencies are common - not the USA. They help by addressing those issues, not by actually addressing covid. For most, they are likely counterproductive.

People in the USA sometimes improve after taking those treatments; but they are improving in spite of not because of.

If you really want to get a real world idea, find out the percentage of the people in your local hospital or cemetery who died of covid and were fully vaccinated vs. not. It isn't even close. Your odds of being hospitalized and dying are much higher if you are unvaccinated.

Finally, as to the scotus decision, it went like most who follow scotus predicted. The net result from it - in most situations - will be the granting of a lot of religious exemptions to people with no religious beliefs. Employers will have to due to staffing shortages. As a result, there will be more patients infected. It just is what it is.

To the EMS person, I'm aware of several deaths directly resulting from a person being infected by an EMT while in an ambulance. If the deceased people's families were aware, that person and their employer would both be bankrupt and reviled by now.




I congratulate you on the depths of your indoctrination.

Unfortunately, the data sets you have been programmed with are incorrect. Rather than bore you with facts, I know how threatening they can be, take a look at peer reviewed data regarding deaths and vaccinations from Israel and the UK. There are plenty to choose from if you don't like the first 20 or so. And you might want to read about the use of Ivermectin as both a prophylaxes and treatment in India. Again, there are plenty of peer reviewed studies to choose from.

Best of luck to you!
Originally Posted by Rangersedge

To the EMS person, I'm aware of several deaths directly resulting from a person being infected by an EMT while in an ambulance. If the deceased people's families were aware, that person and their employer would both be bankrupt and reviled by now.


You are absolutely full of $hit! Ems has been in N95 for all patients and full PPE for anyone with suspected Covid. I have personally saw deaths listed as covid when the person died of other reasons but tested positive recently for covid. My mom died of End Stage Renal Disease when dialysis no longer worked for her. She was listed as a covid death because she had tested positive a couple weeks earlier when she was tested for an outpatient procedure. She was also one of the lucky ones that didn't have any covid symptoms.
No. I am not; but I can't share details and you know that if you are actually in health care.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Duke16: Indeed china joe and his ho took it up the ass, TWICE, today!
He-he.
The filibuster reaming then the S.C.O.T.U.S. reaming certainly had to hurt that old geezers anus.
And it couldn't have happened to a more worthy recipient.
He-he.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy






They are not going to get the filibuster removal passed. Scummer can shove that up his bung.

"The SC ruling establishes the precedent that vaxx mandates are legally permissible for certain groups of people. This is ultimately a victory for tyrants, as it is just the thin end of the wedge. That the SC even thought it had the authority to decide this question is an outrage."

Yep.
The SC allowed the Health Care worker mandate for those institutions that accept Federal money.

They have been using this strong arm tactic on state and local governments since forever. Legal drinking age, education standards, housing projects for businesses that accepted Federal money, etc. itā€™s nothing new.
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