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Posted By: johnw The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
It was everywhere in the mid 70s. Purportedly designed by Brit Gerald Holtom, in 1958, for the nuclear disarmament movement, some argue that it has older and darker symbology

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But does it have any real meaning? I've heard it associated with satanism, nazism, and all sorts of evil.
It is sometimes called the cross of Nero.

In our community, which is also the hometown of Ronald W. Reagan, it has seen an amazing resurgence in use. It is popping up on business roofs, barn sides, gates, porches, pastures, and windows everywhere, in various LED colors.

My wife thinks they are cool, and I agree, with the caveat that I am suspicious of new age symbolism.

The resurgence seems to be a local thing, and she found out on a doctors visit this morning that a Local RN is making and selling the LED peace signs. Said nurse was selling them at the local farmer's market, but was being heckled and harassed until she stopped.

Is this an innocent symbol of cold war ant-nuke idealism? Or is it something darker?

Opinions appreciated. Preaching? Not so much. please take it elsewhere...
Posted By: High_Noon Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Posted By: jnyork Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Track of the American Chicken.
Posted By: johnw Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Awesome...

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Gotta keep our heads til this peace craze blows over...
Posted By: Mike78 Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
This has always been good enough for me.

I don't need any other symbol and I don't need this one in rainbow colors, blue lines, black lines or whatever your individual identity politics might be.


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Posted By: the_shootist Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
It's an inverted cross.
The swastika is a broken cross.

Not preachin' - - - - - - yet. grin
Posted By: Nollij Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
I have always preferred the version below. It's interesting that it's making a local resurgence. I'm sure it has to be a hate symbol of some sort like the Gadsden Flag. Who knows anymore.



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Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Peace is great...assuming the other side does the same thing. Often walking away from a gun fight only gets you shot in the back.
Posted By: Pugs Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
I'm old school grin a BUFF and Haight-Ashbury circa 1968 would have solved some problems. Damn hippies.

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Posted By: pullit Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Have not thought about the old peace sign for years. Did not understand how "love" became "luv" either
There's nothing more peaceful than a graveyard full of your enemies!

"Kill 'em all- - - - - -let God sort 'em out!"
Originally Posted by johnw
It was everywhere in the mid 70s. Purportedly designed by Brit Gerald Holtom, in 1958, for the nuclear disarmament movement, some argue that it has older and darker symbology

[Linked Image from toppun.com]

But does it have any real meaning? I've heard it associated with satanism, nazism, and all sorts of evil.
It is sometimes called the cross of Nero.

In our community, which is also the hometown of Ronald W. Reagan, it has seen an amazing resurgence in use. It is popping up on business roofs, barn sides, gates, porches, pastures, and windows everywhere, in various LED colors.

My wife thinks they are cool, and I agree, with the caveat that I am suspicious of new age symbolism.

The resurgence seems to be a local thing, and she found out on a doctors visit this morning that a Local RN is making and selling the LED peace signs. Said nurse was selling them at the local farmer's market, but was being heckled and harassed until she stopped.

Is this an innocent symbol of cold war ant-nuke idealism? Or is it something darker?

Opinions appreciated. Preaching? Not so much. please take it elsewhere...


I've heard it called a "peace sign" in the US but I had one on my 1966 Gibson EB2 bass guitar and in those days it was called a "Ban the Bomb" sticker so maybe there is a transitional aspect to it like most things where the original intent is railroaded and re instituted, I don't know!
Posted By: flintlocke Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
I don't have a clue as to the resurgence of the symbol, but it was looked at with some disgust by my veteran peers in the '70's. I don't think any of us could be said to be 'pro-war'...but on the other hand, those who openly flouted the symbol seemed to be the hippy types, college kids going on their parents dime, not really anybody we respected or took seriously. It was rightly also associated with the cannabis crowd. As far as the anti nuke sentiment went....that feeling was universal and required no symbol. I've never in my life met anybody who was pro-nuke...but most people with an IQ over 25 watts, understood the need for nukes to maintain that balance of peace that 'mutually assured destruction' guaranteed. If the peacenik disarmament bunch had got their way back then, I wonder what language we would be speaking now? Russian? Chinese?
In any event I'm curious what the symbol means now...nukes are obsolete except for Islamic psychopaths, EMP's are the weapon of the future.
Posted By: kwg020 Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by flintlocke
I don't have a clue as to the resurgence of the symbol, but it was looked at with some disgust by my veteran peers in the '70's. I don't think any of us could be said to be 'pro-war'...but on the other hand, those who openly flouted the symbol seemed to be the hippy types, college kids going on their parents dime, not really anybody we respected or took seriously. It was rightly also associated with the cannabis crowd. As far as the anti nuke sentiment went....that feeling was universal and required no symbol. I've never in my life met anybody who was pro-nuke...but most people with an IQ over 25 watts, understood the need for nukes to maintain that balance of peace that 'mutually assured destruction' guaranteed. If the peacenik disarmament bunch had got their way back then, I wonder what language we would be speaking now? Russian? Chinese?
In any event I'm curious what the symbol means now...nukes are obsolete except for Islamic psychopaths, EMP's are the weapon of the future.


It means nothing. When the last 1960's hippie dies I hope they forever bury that "peace" symbol with them.

kwg
Posted By: 7mmbuster Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
I’ve never heard of anything about the Peace Symbol, other than its obvious association with the hippie movement back in the 70s. That’s why I don’t really care for it.
Wikipedia has nothing about it as far as darkness or evil. They give its origin in the late 50s and the no nuke groups.
It’s still a fairly free country, and if it pleases you, have at it.
When did the Gadsden Flag become a hate symbol? mad Lord knows I really hate making liberals and snowflakes uncomfortable! grin
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Posted By: Tyrone Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
I think the peace sign picks up it's darkness and evil from the people who used it - Marxist scum!
Posted By: Nollij Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
I’ve never heard of anything about the Peace Symbol, other than its obvious association with the hippie movement back in the 70s. That’s why I don’t really care for it.
Wikipedia has nothing about it as far as darkness or evil. They give its origin in the late 50s and the no nuke groups.
It’s still a fairly free country, and if it pleases you, have at it.
When did the Gadsden Flag become a hate symbol? mad Lord knows I really hate making liberals and snowflakes uncomfortable! grin
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7mm, the commie left likes to push using the usual media channels that the Gadsden is a symbol of white supremacy and hate. It pisses me off.
Posted By: Jiveturkey Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by Mike78
This has always been good enough for me.

I don't need any other symbol and I don't need this one in rainbow colors, blue lines, black lines or whatever your individual identity politics might be.


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I agree
Posted By: RockyRaab Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
We should all demand that it be abolished and prohibited because it makes some people uncomfortable.

It'd serve the Left right.
Posted By: ledvm Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by flintlocke
I don't have a clue as to the resurgence of the symbol, but it was looked at with some disgust by my veteran peers in the '70's. I don't think any of us could be said to be 'pro-war'...but on the other hand, those who openly flouted the symbol seemed to be the hippy types, college kids going on their parents dime, not really anybody we respected or took seriously. It was rightly also associated with the cannabis crowd. As far as the anti nuke sentiment went....that feeling was universal and required no symbol. I've never in my life met anybody who was pro-nuke...but most people with an IQ over 25 watts, understood the need for nukes to maintain that balance of peace that 'mutually assured destruction' guaranteed. If the peacenik disarmament bunch had got their way back then, I wonder what language we would be speaking now? Russian? Chinese?
In any event I'm curious what the symbol means now...nukes are obsolete except for Islamic psychopaths, EMP's are the weapon of the future.


It means nothing. When the last 1960's hippie dies I hope they forever bury that "peace" symbol with them.

kwg


+1

I try hard to forget all that bull$hit in that era. Nothing good became of it.
Posted By: ironbender Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
We should all demand that it be abolished and prohibited because it makes some people uncomfortable.

It'd serve the Left right.

😁
Posted By: joken2 Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22

The first I remember seeing that 'Peace' sign/symbol used was back in the mid '60s in Chicago's Old Town district (back then Chicago's version of Greenwich Village and Haight-Ashbury).

If it was meant to be anything truly evil inspired I never knew or heard it.

Still see a lot of old timers like myself use the two finger "V" hand sign as a greeting and departing salutation.
Posted By: Pugs Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by joken2
Still see a lot of old timers like myself use the two finger "V" hand sign as a greeting and departing salutation.


Entirely different meaning for many of us.

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Just like the Swastika, any symbol means to the artist exactly what he intends it to mean. And to the beholder it means whatever his training has taught him to believe.

The Swastika was not invented in 1930s Germany.

In various forms the Swastika has been a symbol of good luck and fortune across continents for millenia. It can even be found woven into Native American fabrics dating before European influence came to America.
Posted By: CashisKing Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
I find no offense in the "Peace" symbol.

I find no offense in someone wearing the "Star of David" on a necklace... or a tombstone.

I find no offense in someone wearing the "Cross of Jesus" on a necklace... or a tombstone.

People however LOOK FOR REASONS to hate.

My wife and I wear very little jewelry other than wedding band.

As as sidebar... an old instructor once told me... any symbol worn as a necklace... makes for an excellent aiming point on the enemy.
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by Pugs
I'm old school grin a BUFF and Haight-Ashbury circa 1968 would have solved some problems. Damn hippies.

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The God of Thunder.

They may have misspelled part of it. Maybe "Pieces through superior firepower"?
I just ordered a T shirt with a B-52 "peace" sign on it. The caption reads "Give peace a chance- - - -if that doesn't work send in the BUF's" Okinawa 1970-72- - - -B-52 D models!
Posted By: AJ300MAG Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
I just ordered a T shirt with a B-52 "peace" sign on it. The caption reads "Give peace a chance- - - -if that doesn't work send in the BUF's" Okinawa 1970-72- - - -B-52 D models!

Peace is Our Profession, War is Just Our Hobby!

Nuke em Till They Glow...
"SAC sucks- - - - -but a suck for SAC is a blow for freedom!"
Posted By: Violator22 Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Boy this conversation just brought out the old SAC farts, I hear enough about SAC from Dad, keep it up AJ300MAG. laugh
Posted By: 358WCF Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
It's very close the the 4th Panzer Division divional sign in 1940.
Posted By: AJ300MAG Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
"SAC sucks- - - - -but a suck for SAC is a blow for freedom!"

BUFs suck their way through the sky, tankers blow. But hey, we got to pass gas and got away with it!
Posted By: AJ300MAG Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by Violator22
Boy this conversation just brought out the old SAC farts, I hear enough about SAC from Dad, keep it up AJ300MAG. laugh

Hey Les! How the heck are you doing? Twas up to your old stompin ground this past fall. I had a midrange prone match at the oscadoo range, got up their early so drove around Wurthless to kill some time. All of the barracks are gone now, they've torn down a lot of base housing. Kalitta Air has taken over the majority of the flightline buildings.
Good to hear you're back in Michigan, say HI to your dad for me!
Posted By: bcp Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Petroglyphs.

https://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/vantageRock.html

https://yakimamission.wordpress.com...n-the-ginko-petrified-forest-state-park/

smile

Bruce
Posted By: Violator22 Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/03/22
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Originally Posted by Violator22
Boy this conversation just brought out the old SAC farts, I hear enough about SAC from Dad, keep it up AJ300MAG. laugh

Hey Les! How the heck are you doing? Twas up to your old stompin ground this past fall. I had a midrange prone match at the oscadoo range, got up their early so drove around Wurthless to kill some time. All of the barracks are gone now, they've torn down a lot of base housing. Kalitta Air has taken over the majority of the flightline buildings.
Good to hear you're back in Michigan, say HI to your dad for me!


Will do, I can honestly say, I do not remember it being so damned cold. LOL
Posted By: navlav8r Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/04/22
Originally Posted by Nollij
I have always preferred the version below. It's interesting that it's making a local resurgence. I'm sure it has to be a hate symbol of some sort like the Gadsden Flag. Who knows anymore.



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There you go! I can live with that one. 😊
Posted By: BOWHUNR Re: The 1970s Peace Sign? - 02/04/22
Originally Posted by the_shootist
It's an inverted cross.
The swastika is a broken cross.

Not preachin' - - - - - - yet. grin


That's what I have been told.
LOL, inside of every gook is an American trying to get out.
Originally Posted by BOWHUNR
Originally Posted by the_shootist
It's an inverted cross.
The swastika is a broken cross.

Not preachin' - - - - - - yet. grin


That's what I have been told.


Might be some merit to the inverted cross, but as noted earlier the swastika predates the Christian cross by millennia
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