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MIT researchers have developed a new material that's as strong as steel but as light as plastic.

It can be easily manufactured in large quantities, and the use cases range from lightweight coatings for cars and phones to building blocks for massive structures such as bridges,

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/02/06/mit-new-material-stronger-than-steel/6684075001/
Strong as steel? Under tension, compression and shear across a broad range on temperature? Ain’t holding my breath.
Let me know when I can get a role of filament to try on my Ender 3.
A bunch of idiots at MIT...
Sounds like Titanium. Stronger than steel, light as plastic. What’s it cost?
Neat. They made polymer sheets like graphite. Another cool material is metallic glass (otherwise known as amorphous metal). That material type looks quite promising also.
Looks like Ford can make the F150 beds from this material once it's commercialized. Aluminum is for beer cans.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Strong as steel? Under tension, compression and shear across a broad range on temperature? Ain’t holding my breath.


And what grade of steel? A36 structural steel? 4130 at Rc30-35? 5160H at RC 48? M4 at Rc 62? smile

Composites were supposedly going to replace everything 20 years ago...except for their nasty habit of spectacular failures... smile
Rearden Metal?
Made from oil? It'll be a no go when Biden shuts down the last of the oil wells.
About those bridges - plastics are notorious for breaking down in the sun. Do the bridge warranties go past 3 years?
Originally Posted by SockPuppet
Rearden Metal?




How many have seen a Rearden Steel Plant?😁
Sounds like carbon fiber.
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Looks like Ford can make the F150 beds from this material once it's commercialized. Aluminum is for beer cans.


I bought a F350 when the 2017 trucks were on the lot. Went with a new 2016 instead because the 2017 had an aluminum bed. Don't want anything to do with that crap.
Graphene has been around for a while.
Any guesses on how long it will take for the means to creat this wonder material to make it to China?
They been building UFOs outta that schit forever.
Better source than the McNews

https://news.mit.edu/2022/polymer-lightweight-material-2d-0202

The researchers found that the new material’s elastic modulus — a measure of how much force it takes to deform a material — is between four and six times greater than that of bulletproof glass. They also found that its yield strength, or how much force it takes to break the material, is twice that of steel, even though the material has only about one-sixth the density of steel.

Even if it's not one-for-one replacement the uses could be revolutionary.
Every bridge in the Northeast should have bridges made out of this .

I wonder how many Chinese National research" students" helped in this study.
Made from oil...
Originally Posted by Stammster
Sounds like Titanium. Stronger than steel, light as plastic. What’s it cost?


Or a variant of carbon fiber (aka Kevlar).

Stupid USAToday writer is too ignorant to capture any salient/useful information... ask the right questions etc.

Cost is ALWAYS critical.

I was working on a uni-body car design of injection molded HDPE in the back of my mind 3-4 years ago... I could honestly claim it to be "Stronger than a steel car, cheaper to build, made from "green" recyclables... yada yada..."

But throw a match on it in a crash... oops.

ALL materials have a chink in their armor.
How long before they start making turbine fan blades from this stuff?
Here comes a "New Lite Weight" rifle..
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
How long before they start making turbine fan blades from this stuff?


New GE engines have carbon fiber blades for the 787, they did not survive the bird test until they put steel on the leading edges.



Cost is ALWAYS critical


Makes me wonder why it is talked about as structural in building,
But as a coating on cars?

It would be perfect to build body/frame components.
Unless, like your idea, fire.
Well if they make a bridge out of plastic, will it sag under hot sun in the summer. You will be then driving over a roller coaster for a bridge. UV rays of the sun break down plastics.
It’ll be interesting to see where it goes. It’s been a while now, since the determination has been made that polymers could be created that would have any physical properties desired. It looks like this might be moving us further down that road. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes.
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck



Cost is ALWAYS critical


Makes me wonder why it is talked about as structural in building,
But as a coating on cars?

It would be perfect to build body/frame components.
Unless, like your idea, fire.



The article says it's "cheap to manufacture", but didn't define "cheap".
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I'm curious about the UV resistance. Many plastics fall apart in a few years in the sun.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
How long before they start making turbine fan blades from this stuff?


New GE engines have carbon fiber blades for the 787, they did not survive the bird test until they put steel on the leading edges.


How ‘bout in the hot end? 😁
Carbon fiber is here already!
Disposal? Or one car for life?


If it is so good why is it a coating on cars?

There is something to be said for one good item instead of 10 disposable
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Looks like Ford can make the F150 beds from this material once it's commercialized. Aluminum is for beer cans.


Says a guy driving a clapped out, rusted 2016 Chevy
Originally Posted by pal
Sounds like carbon fiber.


I've heard people say it's cheaper to lay up $100 bills in resin than produce carbon fiber.
Don’t the make APcs, like the M113, out of aluminum? They make it thicker than steel, but still plenty strong for a pickup.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
How long before they start making turbine fan blades from this stuff?


New GE engines have carbon fiber blades for the 787, they did not survive the bird test until they put steel on the leading edges.


How ‘bout in the hot end? 😁


Pretty sure they were old fashioned metal smile
Originally Posted by kennyd
Disposal? Or one car for life?


If it is so good why is it a coating on cars?

There is something to be said for one good item instead of 10 disposable


It might be too flexible for a car door so they laminate it to another alloy.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by kennyd
Disposal? Or one car for life?


If it is so good why is it a coating on cars?

There is something to be said for one good item instead of 10 disposable


It might be too flexible for a car door so they laminate it to another alloy.


It's a high modulus material, so it's very stiff.

Think of a paint with the scratch resistance of steel. No more door dings.
If it turns out to be a world changing material, I'm sure the green Nazis will figure out how to ruin the party. Except in China, where they DGAF and they'll corner the market.
Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot
If it turns out to be a world changing material, I'm sure the green Nazis will figure out how to ruin the party. Except in China, where they DGAF and they'll corner the market.
It's made from oil. You know what they'll do with that. It would be fun, though, if they were fighting with this and as a result the world discovered what it takes to run electric cars.
If they could come up with something really like that for materials in bad conditions that will rust metal quickly. Would be awesome no rust lightweight and number one needs to be affordable
I wonder what the melting point is...
Here's the full article from Nature:

https://inf.news/en/science/58a6db9ad86d021d57f743d74c0df4a8.html

Couple of interesting quotes:

The final reaction, using commercially available cheap trimesoyl chloride and melamine as reaction raw materials, was carried out in a strong hydrogen bond acceptor solvent such as NMP, and the obtained yellow solid powder was named 2DPA-1 (Fig. 3a). It is worth mentioning that the reaction is carried out at room temperature and normal pressure, and the operation is simple and convenient. It only needs to simply mix and stir the reactants, even without strict anhydrous and oxygen-free operation. Easily scale up to tens of grams in the lab.

It appears cheap trimesoyl chloride and melamine might be ingredients in Kevlar and some nylons, such as the PA-6 family.


2DPA-1 is insoluble in conventional organic solvents and water, but is soluble in strong acid (trifluoroacetic acid, pK a = 0.3) to form a clear solution. Nanofilms can then be formed on flat substrates with a simple spin coating (Fig. 4a). These films are precisely adjustable in thickness and their size is limited only by the size of the spin coater. In addition, the films can also be easily transferred to different substrates (silicon wafers with microporous structures or copper foils with openings) (Fig. 4b), or repeatedly stacked to show clear and uniform interference colors ( Figure 4c). In order to better demonstrate the transferability of the film, the authors prepared and transferred a film with a diameter of 6 inches and a thickness of 7 nanometers. 4e). SEM and AFM studies revealed that these spin-coated films produced exceptionally flat surfaces (Fig. 4f), with roughness generally less than 1 nm, and even as low as 0.3 nm. This means that in the micrometer range, the difference between the highest and lowest points of the membrane is only about four molecular heights.

this two-dimensional film is expected to exhibit ultra-high mechanical properties and become a two-dimensional version of Kevlar. The authors used nanoindentation to measure a series of self-supporting nanofilms (Figure 7), and the average Young's modulus of the nanofilms was measured to be 12.7 GPa, which is much higher than that of conventional polymers (2-4 GPa). At the same time, the yield strength of the material is as high as 488 MPa, which is about twice that of conventional structural steel, and the specific strength is about twelve times (simulations show that the density of 2DPA-1 is 1/6 of that of steel).

Notably, the material exhibited good puncture resistance during measurement and could withstand repeated failures without cracking. Whether punching holes on the edges of the membrane (Fig. 7b) or repeatedly piercing the membrane during the measurement (Fig. 7c–d) did not affect its mechanical performance. This property has not been observed in common 2D materials such as graphene.

It was found that the addition of a small amount of 2D polymer was sufficient to significantly improve the mechanical properties of the fibers. For example, 6.9% volume fraction of 2DPA-1 increases the Young's modulus of PC fibers by 72%; at the same time, the tensile strength also increases from 110 MPa to 185 MPa (Fig. 8c).

So, yea, it's kind of an exciting material.....
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Here's the full article from Nature:

https://inf.news/en/science/58a6db9ad86d021d57f743d74c0df4a8.html

Couple of interesting quotes:

The final reaction, using commercially available cheap trimesoyl chloride and melamine as reaction raw materials, was carried out in a strong hydrogen bond acceptor solvent such as NMP, and the obtained yellow solid powder was named 2DPA-1 (Fig. 3a). It is worth mentioning that the reaction is carried out at room temperature and normal pressure, and the operation is simple and convenient. It only needs to simply mix and stir the reactants, even without strict anhydrous and oxygen-free operation. Easily scale up to tens of grams in the lab.

It appears cheap trimesoyl chloride and melamine might be ingredients in Kevlar and some nylons, such as the PA-6 family.


2DPA-1 is insoluble in conventional organic solvents and water, but is soluble in strong acid (trifluoroacetic acid, pK a = 0.3) to form a clear solution. Nanofilms can then be formed on flat substrates with a simple spin coating (Fig. 4a). These films are precisely adjustable in thickness and their size is limited only by the size of the spin coater. In addition, the films can also be easily transferred to different substrates (silicon wafers with microporous structures or copper foils with openings) (Fig. 4b), or repeatedly stacked to show clear and uniform interference colors ( Figure 4c). In order to better demonstrate the transferability of the film, the authors prepared and transferred a film with a diameter of 6 inches and a thickness of 7 nanometers. 4e). SEM and AFM studies revealed that these spin-coated films produced exceptionally flat surfaces (Fig. 4f), with roughness generally less than 1 nm, and even as low as 0.3 nm. This means that in the micrometer range, the difference between the highest and lowest points of the membrane is only about four molecular heights.

this two-dimensional film is expected to exhibit ultra-high mechanical properties and become a two-dimensional version of Kevlar. The authors used nanoindentation to measure a series of self-supporting nanofilms (Figure 7), and the average Young's modulus of the nanofilms was measured to be 12.7 GPa, which is much higher than that of conventional polymers (2-4 GPa). At the same time, the yield strength of the material is as high as 488 MPa, which is about twice that of conventional structural steel, and the specific strength is about twelve times (simulations show that the density of 2DPA-1 is 1/6 of that of steel).

Notably, the material exhibited good puncture resistance during measurement and could withstand repeated failures without cracking. Whether punching holes on the edges of the membrane (Fig. 7b) or repeatedly piercing the membrane during the measurement (Fig. 7c–d) did not affect its mechanical performance. This property has not been observed in common 2D materials such as graphene.

It was found that the addition of a small amount of 2D polymer was sufficient to significantly improve the mechanical properties of the fibers. For example, 6.9% volume fraction of 2DPA-1 increases the Young's modulus of PC fibers by 72%; at the same time, the tensile strength also increases from 110 MPa to 185 MPa (Fig. 8c).

So, yea, it's kind of an exciting material.....

Did the article say they were idiots at MIT?
lolol
If viable, this could fundamentally transform many industries. What happens when your car only weighs a fraction of its current weight? Will that make batteries more viable as car power sources? Sadly the ccp has almost certainly already stolen this or it could IMO give us a significant military advantage. This is actually an exciting prospect.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Here's the full article from Nature:

https://inf.news/en/science/58a6db9ad86d021d57f743d74c0df4a8.html

Couple of interesting quotes:

The final reaction, using commercially available cheap trimesoyl chloride and melamine as reaction raw materials, was carried out in a strong hydrogen bond acceptor solvent such as NMP, and the obtained yellow solid powder was named 2DPA-1 (Fig. 3a). It is worth mentioning that the reaction is carried out at room temperature and normal pressure, and the operation is simple and convenient. It only needs to simply mix and stir the reactants, even without strict anhydrous and oxygen-free operation. Easily scale up to tens of grams in the lab.

It appears cheap trimesoyl chloride and melamine might be ingredients in Kevlar and some nylons, such as the PA-6 family.


2DPA-1 is insoluble in conventional organic solvents and water, but is soluble in strong acid (trifluoroacetic acid, pK a = 0.3) to form a clear solution. Nanofilms can then be formed on flat substrates with a simple spin coating (Fig. 4a). These films are precisely adjustable in thickness and their size is limited only by the size of the spin coater. In addition, the films can also be easily transferred to different substrates (silicon wafers with microporous structures or copper foils with openings) (Fig. 4b), or repeatedly stacked to show clear and uniform interference colors ( Figure 4c). In order to better demonstrate the transferability of the film, the authors prepared and transferred a film with a diameter of 6 inches and a thickness of 7 nanometers. 4e). SEM and AFM studies revealed that these spin-coated films produced exceptionally flat surfaces (Fig. 4f), with roughness generally less than 1 nm, and even as low as 0.3 nm. This means that in the micrometer range, the difference between the highest and lowest points of the membrane is only about four molecular heights.

this two-dimensional film is expected to exhibit ultra-high mechanical properties and become a two-dimensional version of Kevlar. The authors used nanoindentation to measure a series of self-supporting nanofilms (Figure 7), and the average Young's modulus of the nanofilms was measured to be 12.7 GPa, which is much higher than that of conventional polymers (2-4 GPa). At the same time, the yield strength of the material is as high as 488 MPa, which is about twice that of conventional structural steel, and the specific strength is about twelve times (simulations show that the density of 2DPA-1 is 1/6 of that of steel).

Notably, the material exhibited good puncture resistance during measurement and could withstand repeated failures without cracking. Whether punching holes on the edges of the membrane (Fig. 7b) or repeatedly piercing the membrane during the measurement (Fig. 7c–d) did not affect its mechanical performance. This property has not been observed in common 2D materials such as graphene.

It was found that the addition of a small amount of 2D polymer was sufficient to significantly improve the mechanical properties of the fibers. For example, 6.9% volume fraction of 2DPA-1 increases the Young's modulus of PC fibers by 72%; at the same time, the tensile strength also increases from 110 MPa to 185 MPa (Fig. 8c).

So, yea, it's kind of an exciting material.....


Thanks...

Real math/science... not USA mumbo jumbo.
Originally Posted by SockPuppet
Rearden Metal?

It’ll hold up a train!
Does this sound like Ice, the bulding material in Clarke's "The City and the Stars"? Strong and cheap enough to make a city that covered the Earth.
Originally Posted by oldtrapper
If viable, this could fundamentally transform many industries. What happens when your car only weighs a fraction of its current weight? Will that make batteries more viable as car power sources? Sadly the ccp has almost certainly already stolen this or it could IMO give us a significant military advantage. This is actually an exciting prospect.
It's entirely possible that Chinese researchers working for MIT invented it and China got it before MIT did. A lot of US inventions have been made by Chinese students and professors in our colleges.
My best guess is it's something like this, but 7x to 10x stronger, depending on how you measure it




But if they can figure out how to mimic the same process with something like this, then maybe you can have your cities in the sky:

Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by oldtrapper
If viable, this could fundamentally transform many industries. What happens when your car only weighs a fraction of its current weight? Will that make batteries more viable as car power sources? Sadly the ccp has almost certainly already stolen this or it could IMO give us a significant military advantage. This is actually an exciting prospect.
It's entirely possible that Chinese researchers working for MIT invented it and China got it before MIT did. A lot of US inventions have been made by Chinese students and professors in our colleges.


China's significantly behind us in the materials research and production. The best stuff in made right here in the USA, followed by France.
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