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Did We Provoke Putin’s War in Ukraine?
He must be like 100 years old by now?
Originally Posted by OldHat
He must be like 100 years old by now?

He's 84, yet still has his finger on the pulse of world events better than 99% of the pundits out there.
"Whatever we may think of Putin, he is no Stalin. He has not murdered millions or created a gulag archipelago. Nor is he “irrational,” as some pundits rail. He does not want a war with us, which would be worse than ruinous to us both.

Putin is a Russian nationalist, …"

This is the reason that he has to be destroyed by the NWO/Satanist/homosexual/pervert/banker/corporation cabal.

President Trump is also a nationalist.

Both of these leaders interfere with the globalists and their plans for a NWO with the Satanist/homosexual/pervert/banker/corporations in charge of every facet of our human existence.
he might be 100 but he is right and is smarter than anybody running the show now
Pat Buchanan ran in '92 and '96, against HW Bush...I can't help but wonder where we would be today had he won. Even back then the Davos/NWO gang probably would have him shot.
Originally Posted by flintlocke
Pat Buchanan ran in '92 and '96, against HW Bush...I can't help but wonder where we would be today had he won. Even back then the Davos/NWO gang probably would have him shot.

Yep. I was writing him in the late 1980s encouraging him to run for president, and he wrote back. I still have his responses somewhere. I then met and had a conversation with him at a fund raising dinner. Naturally, he had my vote whenever he ran. He made a bad mistake in his VP pick, though, when he ran as an independent.
Originally Posted by rte
"Whatever we may think of Putin, he is no Stalin. He has not murdered millions or created a gulag archipelago. Nor is he “irrational,” as some pundits rail. He does not want a war with us, which would be worse than ruinous to us both.

Putin is a Russian nationalist, …"

This is the reason that he has to be destroyed by the NWO/Satanist/homosexual/pervert/banker/corporation cabal.

President Trump is also a nationalist.

Both of these leaders interfere with the globalists and their plans for a NWO with the Satanist/homosexual/pervert/banker/corporations in charge of every facet of our human existence.



Yep
Of course we provoked this. Lately Everytime oil hits 100+/- a barrel Putin attacks a country.

Stop the liberals...
the real hawkeye: The answer is NO!
JFC!
That thread header of yours is THE most ridiculous, idiotic and imbecilic thing I have ever read on this site!
And I have been reading ridiculous, idiotic and imbecilic things on this site for right at 2 decades now!
If you contend "we" (the citizens and politicians of the United States of America) caused the communist now known as "puddin head" putin to assemble his armies and air forces and intelligence forces and then to invade the Ukraine you are just off in bizzarro land - and, I fear, YOU may NOT know your way back.
Sheesh!
puddin head putin is to blame, 100%, for this unwarranted and unnecessary (and murderous!) attack on the Ukraine!
PERIOD - no matter what any burnt out bureaucrat, washed up politician, may burp up.
DOUBLE sheesh.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by rem141r
he might be 100 but he is right and is smarter than anybody running the show now

Plus 1
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by rem141r
he might be 100 but he is right and is smarter than anybody running the show now

Plus 1

+2
I am ashamed I didn't vote for Buchanan when I had the chance.
Originally Posted by jfruser
I am ashamed I didn't vote for Buchanan when I had the chance.



I did in the primary.
Pat due the world a favor and die already
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
the real hawkeye: The answer is NO!
JFC!
That thread header of yours is THE most ridiculous, idiotic and imbecilic thing I have ever read on this site!
And I have been reading ridiculous, idiotic and imbecilic things on this site for right at 2 decades now!
If you contend "we" (the citizens and politicians of the United States of America) caused the communist now known as "puddin head" putin to assemble his armies and air forces and intelligence forces and then to invade the Ukraine you are just off in bizzarro land - and, I fear, YOU may NOT know your way back.
Sheesh!
puddin head putin is to blame, 100%, for this unwarranted and unnecessary (and murderous!) attack on the Ukraine!
PERIOD - no matter what any burnt out bureaucrat, washed up politician, may burp up.
DOUBLE sheesh.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy


Sit down, dummy.
Originally Posted by nealglen37
Pat due the world a favor and die already


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Originally Posted by nealglen37
Pat due the world a favor and die already

Let's see. Been a member for well over a decade, but few posts. I think we have another deep state plant, folks. And a very poor speller, besides. The deep state is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.

Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).

Ukraine's NATO membership was a ruse. Putin attacked Crimea in 2014 to regain a critical sea port to the free world (also why the commies took Poland and the Baltic States), and suffered no negative consequences. Lesson learned. Keep doing more until the political and economic repercussions become unbearable.

China is watching. Closely.
Originally Posted by kappa8
Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.

Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).

Ukraine's NATO membership was a ruse. Putin attacked Crimea in 2014 to regain a critical sea port to the free world (also why the commies took Poland and the Baltic States), and suffered no negative consequences. Lesson learned. Keep doing more until the political and economic repercussions become unbearable.

China is watching. Closely.



Uh...no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KudntsVcMPM
Originally Posted by RAS
Originally Posted by jfruser
I am ashamed I didn't vote for Buchanan when I had the chance.



I did in the primary.


I never voted for a Bush in the primaries. Voted for Alan Keyes before it was cool to do that kind of thing. Always wondered why all the apologists and wokes didn’t get behind Alan. Not.
We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one.
Originally Posted by kappa8
Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.

Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).

Ukraine being allowed to enter NATO would be the biggest strategic defeat for Russia in its entire history. They'd lose access to their warm water ports.

You people are swallowing the propaganda from the same folks who lied to you about the 2020 election, COVID-19, the mRNA "vaccines," the inflation rate and its causes, and on and on and on. You will never learn. You are constantly being lied to. Figure out what our government and the MSM want you to believe, and you can assume pretty near the opposite is correct.

Originally Posted by Daveinjax
We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one.

This.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by kappa8
Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.

Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).

Ukraine being allowed to enter NATO would be the biggest strategic defeat for Russia in its entire history. They'd lose access to their warm water ports.

You people are swallowing the propaganda from the same folks who lied to you about the 2020 election, COVID-19, the mRNA "vaccines," the inflation rate and its causes, and on and on and on. You will never learn. You are constantly being lied to. Figure out what our government and the MSM want you to believe, and you can assume pretty near the opposite is correct.


The official narrative is always a lie. Whatever the truth is it’s never the one being pitched in the New York Times or on CNN/FOX
Originally Posted by funnybone

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Originally Posted by Daveinjax
We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one.

^^^^This is about as clear a synopsis as you will ever find^^^^
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by kappa8
Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.

Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).


You people are swallowing the propaganda from the same folks who lied to you about the 2020 election, COVID-19, the mRNA "vaccines," the inflation rate and its causes, and on and on and on. You will never learn. You are constantly being lied to. Figure out what our government and the MSM want you to believe, and you can assume pretty near the opposite is correct.



It's like déjà vu all over again.
What a pathetic joke Pat has become. In his “think piece” he questions why the former Warsaw Pact countries and former Soviet republics would want to join NATO and the EU. Then implies that Russia offers no ill will or bad intentions towards them. This is imbecilic at best and an outright lie in truth. The Russians have been very aggressive @ using their intelligence assets in these areas to stir up the ethnic Russian populations to create incidents and provocations. The FSB and others Russian groups activities in Poland aren’t very hard to see. Nor are the interference in Romania and its relationship with Moldavia very hard to see. This doesn’t even get into the perceived economic benefits most of these countries see from closer ties to the west.

Hey I can understand America First, and wanting to get out of international affairs. But you don’t need to outright lie to make a very strong case for doing so. The ineptitude of the CIA , and it’s congenital twin the DoS, over the last 30 years has been horrible for our country and its reputation.
Originally Posted by shootem
Voted for Alan Keyes before it was cool to do that kind of thing. Always wondered why all the apologists and wokes didn’t get behind Alan..


Proof that it is never really about race. Keyes ran against Obama for Illinois Senator seat. The half white Obama was pitched as the "African-American".
Originally Posted by Morewood
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^This.^
Pat Buchanan has been right about allot of things many times but has it made us any better off? All the talk has not helped and will not help. We've done what we were warned not to do by Dwight Eisenhower in that the military complex is control of this nation in ways it shouldn't be. I firmly believe that's one reason so many of the high ranking brass hated him so much. He cut their lucrative pensions short and didn't let them tell him what to do. How many dollars do you all think the Bush family has received because of their willingness to send our military everywhere in the world? The only two in my lifetime that go down that road were Reagan and Trump. There were some covert things done by them but we weren't the police force of the world.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one.

This.



Can't argue against that.
The idea that Nazism will resurrect and become a threat to Russia through Ukraine is bullshit. It is Putin' scaring his populace. Same as his use of the "The Great Patriotic" war to gin up emotions. I'm not saying Putin does not have security concerns. He does, but it ain't from Nazism. LOL
if, by "we," buchanan means a demented, liberal president and his naive, socialist handlers weakened the US in the eyes of corrupt dictators, then he is correct. otherwise ...
“ Well I told the Ukrainian President if you don’t Fire that Prosecutor We’ll be canceling your Foreign Aid Package.. “
“ I’m leaving in 6 Hours .. By God you know what he Did .. He Fired Him”
Press Core:
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

If you can get away with that it’s all open Ground ..
Originally Posted by kappa8
Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.

Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).

Ukraine's NATO membership was a ruse. Putin attacked Crimea in 2014 to regain a critical sea port to the free world (also why the commies took Poland and the Baltic States), and suffered no negative consequences. Lesson learned. Keep doing more until the political and economic repercussions become unbearable.

China is watching. Closely.

The US has been hellbent on isolating Russia and leveling all of the sanctions it can against Russia while encouraging Europe and China to do the same no matter what Russia does.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one.

Very well said.
Originally Posted by akrange
“ Well I told the Ukrainian President if you don’t Fire that Prosecutor We’ll be canceling your Foreign Aid Package.. “
“ I’m leaving in 6 Hours .. By God you know what he Did .. He Fired Him”
Press Core:
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

If you can get away with that it’s all open Ground ..




He accidentally said the quiet part out loud.
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76

The US has been hellbent on isolating Russia and leveling all of the sanctions it can against Russia while encouraging Europe and China to do the same no matter what Russia does.

Yep.
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