Ya'll knew this thread was coming. I can't narrow it down to any one guitarist. Not in any order Stevie Ray Vaughn Paul Gilbert Michael Angelo Bateo Zakk Wylde Brian Carroll (Buckethead) Steve Vai Joe Satriani Jimi Hendrix Billy Gibbons Eddie Vanhalen and a lot more I probably can't think of right now.
Michael Schenker from UFO fame Just listened to their live album “Strangers in the Night” album. Might be the greatest live performance ever of any rock band.
Michael Schenker from UFO fame Just listened to their live album “Strangers in the Night” album. Might be the greatest live performance ever of any rock band.
I forgot about Michael Schenker and his brother Rudolf.
Keith Richard invented more iconic riffs while in a coma having his blood transfused than likely everyone else on that list combined. It shouldn't be just about musical masturbation. Somebody has to write the songs too. And he's been playing them for sixty years as well.
“The worst thing for me was that Stevie Ray had been sober for three years and was at his peak. When he played that night, he had all of us standing mere with our jaws dropped. I mean, Robert Cray and Jimmie Vaughan and Buddy Guy were just watching in awe. There was no one better than him on this planet. Really unbelievable,” Eric Clapton said.
“The worst thing for me was that Stevie Ray had been sober for three years and was at his peak. When he played that night, he had all of us standing mere with our jaws dropped. I mean, Robert Cray and Jimmie Vaughan and Buddy Guy were just watching in awe. There was no one better than him on this planet. Really unbelievable,” Eric Clapton said.
I agree that SRV was at the top of the list and it sucks that he finally cleaned up and we lost him to schitty fate. I imagine the great music we missed out on if he hadn't lived longer.
Ya'll knew this thread was coming. I can't narrow it down to any one guitarist. Not in any order Stevie Ray Vaughn Paul Gilbert Michael Angelo Bateo Zakk Wylde Brian Carroll (Buckethead) Steve Vai Joe Satriani Jimi Hendrix Billy Gibbons Eddie Vanhalen and a lot more I probably can't think of right now.
I’ll add Duane Allman to that list as a 5 star candidate and honorable mention to Alvin Lee.
Clapton was one of the best, but you have to see who he looked up to Hell he quit cream to join The Band... Robbie Robertson Duane Allman JJ cale. Nobody beats David Gilmore for me, other than Duane
A great one that never gets mentioned on lists like this is J. Mascis of Dinosaur Jr. I think he gets forgotten because they never had much commercial success, and his singing voice is so bad. But the guy is a monster on guitar.
Ya'll knew this thread was coming. I can't narrow it down to any one guitarist. Not in any order Stevie Ray Vaughn Paul Gilbert Michael Angelo Bateo Zakk Wylde Brian Carroll (Buckethead) Steve Vai Joe Satriani Jimi Hendrix Billy Gibbons Eddie Vanhalen and a lot more I probably can't think of right now.
Off the top.. These 2.
Next?
Eric Clapton Jeff Beck Keith Richard Jimmy Page Duane Allman
Certainly a qualifying performance that always comes to my mind. Plus he wrote a song about writing a song, pure genius! Since the question was asked about Rock/Blues, Peter Green should be considered.
Greats in another genre also come to mind. Chet Atkins was incredible and made it look easy. And a really off the wall to some folks is Roy Clark (think Hee Haw). Roy could have gone in any direction he wanted with guitar. Just a thought.
Bob Dylan said once that “all my songs are his”, in reference to how he felt about Hendrix covering some of his songs. The only guitarist I can think of who can truly honor Hendrix by covering HIS songs, is SRV.
I think of this^ often. He was extremely good @20, & just better right before he got killed. How much better would he have gotten.? He & Clapton about the same age & recorded Layla together, & look how Clopton rose afterwards. I'd say Duane could have followed every step, or led some of the time.
SRV the best at covering Hendrix? One of the few that could IMO. Most that played Hendrix couldn't come close, & it was known quickly that it wasn't Hendrix playing when the song was playing on the radio. I have to listen closely to try and decide, is it Jimmy or Stevie? SRV sounds better to me, but thinking a lot of his advantage might have been more modern recording gear. ??
Hendrix was asked the question by Guitar Player magazine who was the best guitar player. He said Phil Keaggy.
I believe ha also said the Billy Gibbons was his ‘favorite to listen to’, at some point.
Both were incredibly good at manipulating feedback. Gibbons prob even more effectively. Which might have been at the root of Hendrix’s appreciation of his playing.
Artfully & sonically ‘controlling’ feedback is like bull-riding.
Gibbons is/was so good at it, he can stay on one ‘note’ at hit like 4 different harmonics with it, in like a 10 second bull-ride. Crazy technique.
I never felt Hendrix was that good. Don't understand the folowing. Always seemed sloppy to me.
I understand that. And like someone mentioned earlier, it had a lot to do with the sound-tech at the time. What he was doing was ground-breaking. And if you start getting into Music Theory, it was pushing savant/genius for a mere “Rock N Roll electric guitar player”. I have some history as a concert cellist. That doesn’t make me an expert on music theory, nor my opinion more qualified than anyone else’s, or what pleases one’s ears. But Hendrix was doing things musically that were above and beyond, in his genre. Or anyone else’s for that matter. Incredibly gifted.
When Hendrix was really pushing it and on his A-game, he’d be losing half the audience. You can see it in the crowd In the clip Bin posted - guy plugging his ears, folks sitting there with sour faces staring. Not uncommon. Some small margin of them were literally dumbstruck. But the larger amount didn’t like it. Then there were the few that just grooved like hell! Hahahaha. I love all that old footage. It’s amazing. Live at Monterey was a great one. You have his peers of the time in the audience doing the same thing - staring, jaws dropped. Sure, they were all kinds of fuggged up on drugs, but they were hearing a New Sound, to be sure. And we’re getting their little minds blown. Lol
Don't do all that internet posting stuff. Google Phil Keaggy. Should be lots out there. Most real players are very familiar with him from the late 70's and 80's. He went the Christian music route and and faded from the national spotlight. I saw him him concert once with just him and a acoustic and electric guitar in a small venue I believe in Siloam Springs, AR. He flat out blew me away. Interestingly, there were some real good local players from the Tulsa area, KC, etc. We were just mesmerized. As far as I know he's still alive and playing.
I saw the Winters Brothers play together on stage in Germany at a concert with the Stones, Little Feat, George Benson, and a few others. The Winters were kind of frenetic on stage and a little crazy looking, but their guitar playing that day was equal to anyone . George Benson wasn't half bad on a guitar either...
I have long been a Jerry Garcia fan. If you watch closely, he was not noodling but rather playing very complex stuff. Regardless of who you may think is the best, there are a few times when you may see someone play so well you realize you are in the presence of a channeling and that is pretty special. Did anyone mention John Mayer?
Ya'll knew this thread was coming. I can't narrow it down to any one guitarist. Not in any order Stevie Ray Vaughn Paul Gilbert Michael Angelo Bateo Zakk Wylde Brian Carroll (Buckethead) Steve Vai Joe Satriani Jimi Hendrix Billy Gibbons Eddie Vanhalen and a lot more I probably can't think of right now.
I’ll add Duane Allman to that list as a 5 star candidate and honorable mention to Alvin Lee.
Of Those still alive: 1. Joe Bonamassa 2. Clapton 3. Kenny Wayne Shepherd 4. Billy Gibbons 5. Robert Cray 6.Angus Young 7. Eric Johnson Honorable Mention: Jimmy Vaughan. As he taught SRV how to play.
Of those that are gone:
1.SRV. Hands down. He had no equal. 2. B.B. King 3. Duane Allmand 4. Toy Caldwell. Original lead guitarist for Marshall Tucker Band. 5. Jimi Hendrix 6. Tie between Albert Collins & Steve Gaines of Lynyrd Skynyrd fame. 7. Honorable Mention: Robert Johnson, Leadbelly, & Howling Wolf. They more or less invented the Blues.
Those of you that mentioned Kieth Richards have evidently never played a guitar. Biggest hack that ever lived. 😬
A lot of the old school guitarists mentioned- probably because the majority of us are a bunch of old guys...
Should we start a thread about some of the new talent coming up to look forward to? I would put John Mayer in that group.... a lot of these guys are only going to get better...
I don't think I could put him in with the really big dogs, or maybe.
But not often mentioned in these conversations in Steve Lukather(Toto). Right there with Eddie VH on the Mike Jackson tracts but not getting the attention. Damn good. Longest running member with Ringo's Al Star Band.
George Harrison... I'm just a listener, not a player. So I don't know, even though I do hear miss licks & pregnant pauses from time to time. But some top player list have GH way up there. Not that he did anything all that fancy, but played perfectly whenever he played. Making him great? Or just playing it safe?
Keith Richard invented more iconic riffs while in a coma having his blood transfused than likely everyone else on that list combined. It shouldn't be just about musical masturbation. Somebody has to write the songs too. And he's been playing them for sixty years as well.
And right alongside him Ronnie Wood is no slouch when compared to anybody you can name. Strictly as a player, may be better than Richards.
I get it that white guys like the Gucci blues (Joe Bonermassage) but Samantha Fish?
Hendrix was a genius ala John Coltrane.
SRV was a coked out Texan that took all the cool schidt Hendrix did and blended it with Albert King and threw in some of his own cool stuff and you can’t help but notice what an absolute terror he was on an old beat to schidt partscaster.
This is the most gross misstatement seen so far on the Campfire. Utter nonsense.
Remember when you wrote, that you had stable of talented students pass through your gates, that were better guitar players, than Prince. .. and couldn't provide a single example. D
You are full of it - making stuff up - and never asked for such an example - and they are rife. Prince was mediocre at best - relied on his appearance and gimmicks to carry his act - and demonstrated his lacking guitar technique and inventiveness every time he picked at it. Go back and look - I cited the video with Lenny Kravitz as in your face evidence of Price's dearth of chops.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
I don't think I could put him in with the really big dogs, or maybe.
But not often mentioned in these conversations in Steve Lukather(Toto). Right there with Eddie VH on the Mike Jackson tracts but not getting the attention. Damn good. Longest running member with Ringo's Al Star Band.
George Harrison... I'm just a listener, not a player. So I don't know, even though I do hear miss licks & pregnant pauses from time to time. But some top player list have GH way up there. Not that he did anything all that fancy, but played perfectly whenever he played. Making him great? Or just playing it safe?
Eddie VanHalen once said he wished he could take lessons from Steve Lukather.. Lukather has played on over 1500 albums as a Studio guy.. Journeyman for sure.
This is the most gross misstatement seen so far on the Campfire. Utter nonsense.
No. He's on it. Hendrix was a pioneer and an experimenter, much like Coltrane. Go look at the interview I posted with Billy Cox a couple weeks ago.
I would agree that Hendrix was a pioneer and experimenter - but not in the sense of melodic, rhythmic and harmonic invention that enables one to break new ground in a musical sense. His was primarily with electronic gimmicks that enabled him to produce "new and different' effects not used and combined as extensively by other guitar players - over driven amplifiers, wah-wah, feedback, fuzz distortion, univibe, etc.. Intellectual development in actual musical knowledge and proficiency is an entirely different realm - thus my OP.
I would not challenge others views of Hendrix as an experimenter and big figure in his type of rock. I do not put great stock in the analysis by Billy Cox - a reasonably successful bass player - in that he has traded on the name and reputation of Hendrix and ridden his insider "knowledge" for gain since the 1980s or before. Hendrix seems very important to him in that regard.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
I get it that white guys like the Gucci blues (Joe Bonermassage) but Samantha Fish?
Hendrix was a genius ala John Coltrane.
SRV was a coked out Texan that took all the cool schidt Hendrix did and blended it with Albert King and threw in some of his own cool stuff and you can’t help but notice what an absolute terror he was on an old beat to schidt partscaster.
Samantha Fish?
Down boys.
She learned the Blues from the Mississippi hill country legends.
The blues came from two sources: Mississippi Delta and Mississippi Hill Country.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number?
Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
If you have read my posts, you know full well that i do not believe that creativity is defined by the factors you list here. You don't get to pretend that a person said something and then try to build a case on a false premise. The acquisition of skills, knowledge and understanding does not bind a true learner - those things liberate one to better understand and appreciate even the most simple origins of creative endeavor.. Why not give it a try.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
Didn't attack you, dude. But, since you decided to be a total ignorant dick..
You sure used a lot of words to prove your ignorant, pompous fugkery.
I get it that white guys like the Gucci blues (Joe Bonermassage) but Samantha Fish?
Hendrix was a genius ala John Coltrane.
SRV was a coked out Texan that took all the cool schidt Hendrix did and blended it with Albert King and threw in some of his own cool stuff and you can’t help but notice what an absolute terror he was on an old beat to schidt partscaster.
Samantha Fish?
Down boys.
She learned the Blues from the Mississippi hill country legends.
The blues came from two sources: Mississippi Delta and Mississippi Hill Country.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
Didn't attack you, dude. But, since you decided to be a total ignorant dick.. You sure used a lot of words to prove your ignorant, pompous fugkery.
There you go again with the name-calling and ad hominem attacks - middle school stuff.. Some days I like to write a bunch - good exercise for the brain and vocabulary - stay active, you know?
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
Didn't attack you, dude. But, since you decided to be a total ignorant dick.. You sure used a lot of words to prove your ignorant, pompous fugkery.
There you go again with the name-calling and ad hominem attacks - middle school stuff.. Some days I like to write a bunch - good exercise for the brain and vocabulary - stay active, you know?
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
Didn't attack you, dude. But, since you decided to be a total ignorant dick..
You sure used a lot of words to prove your ignorant, pompous fugkery.
This is the most gross misstatement seen so far on the Campfire. Utter nonsense.
Not trying to jump on a scrum, pick a bone, or question your musical background/theory knowledge, nor your personal tastes - sincerely. But, maybe you haven’t listened to much Hendrix, besides the obligatory stuff? Or maybe you have… Hard for me see your take on this congruously. But, that’s cool. I’d also edit to ask - what was your primary instrument? Assuming you are or were a musician/performer, as well as a student of theory.
No problems - and I do understand why it can be hard to "see my take" . But - it is informed and studied - and that post about Hendrix/Coltrane came across to me as I characterized it.
Having taught hundreds of HS and college kids in the 1960s and 1970s, Hendrix was constantly brought up to me and I honored the student interest and enthusiasm by listening to what they brought - hours of it - just about all of every album. I have said NOTHING negative about Hendrix music here. I did take the time to explain the main thrust of his innovation, aside from some unique renditions of some "songs", which was his ventures into use of electronic-aided gadgetry - guitar/amp/effects, etc..
Coltrane's artistry was deep with melodic/harmonic/rhythmic improvisation and innovation based on extensive musical technique and development - and involved with other GREAT musicians. Thus - my statement about the poster's comparison - not at all about Hendrix playing.
To answer your question, in short, I have studied and played the following - bass, piano/keyboards/synthesizer, all reed woodwinds and flute - and have been a student and teacher of music theory, composer/arranger for all sorts of music, and conductor/performer - in normal symphonic and small orchestral and band formats, jazz groups small and large, pop and rock in my younger years, and what has become my favorite - worship music. It is a bunch - I am old. Such lengthy and deep endeavors tend to bring discernment.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
Didn't attack you, dude. But, since you decided to be a total ignorant dick..
You sure used a lot of words to prove your ignorant, pompous fugkery.
It’s ok if CCCC doesn’t get it. Too many years in college trying to make music into a math equation when you play the Flugelhorn will do that to ya! Hold into the treble clef!
You can do the evasive "ha", nope" and "lmfao" all you wish (kinda like Kamala cackling), and like most who get caught without evidence, you resort to snide ad hominem attacks - but your hole gets deeper.
Why not provide us with some musical theory analytical evidence of the evolution of Coltrane's improvisational journey and growth - why not provide some of your analysis of his uses of germ motive and thematic invention over a given harmonic structure, or cite the practice materials he used to develop his fingering technique and articulation?
Then, do the same using your knowledge of Hendrix. Do you have such skill and knowledge - because folks who study such performers do.
My original comment on your post is based on such comparisons. What you posted above causes you to come across as a phony dilettante who has definite preferences and opinions (which is just fine) but no substance to support them. Does the above sound like a flugelhorn?
The beauty of music is that you don't have to know anything about it to make it, which has a tendency to piss off a classically trained theory snob such as yourself.
My understanding of music theory has nothing to do with my statement and you know it, yet here you are using big university words and comparing me to Kamala Harris. WTF?
Since when is creativity defined to bars on a sheet of paper? Is that like crayon books and paint by number? Wonder how Leonardo, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Matisse, Renoir, Boticelli would ponder of that.
Read it again - my post said nothing about a sheet of paper - musical creativity begins in the mind and is made manifest to others ears in performance and also in written form, for those who know how to read. The more highly developed the musical skills, knowledge and understanding, and refinement of one's ear, the more one is able to discern and discriminate among types of music artists.
You are correct - many others, including me, have been able to make music without knowing much of anything about it. But even with such naive enjoyment, some choose to study, and practice and dig deeper into the art. I know someone who got started as a stupid kid picking at a keyboard and pursued such development for more than 70 years. Your post seems to paint such striving and development as some sort of detriment.
You know absolutely nothing about my musical training, performance and preferences - which have extended to all forms of the art - but you are so ignorant and defensive as to call one a "classically trained theory snob " and pretend that I am pissed. Rarely if ever do I become pissed - but at times I am tempted to expose a defensive pretender..
You are compared with Kamala because your little snide reactions and inanities here smack of the same stuff as her ridiculous cackle when confronted with something beyond her ken. Do you still feel like pretending to understand something you do not?
Didn't attack you, dude. But, since you decided to be a total ignorant dick..
You sure used a lot of words to prove your ignorant, pompous fugkery.
It's his calling card.
Try this - you know nothing.
You come on a friendly thread and totally fugk it up and then can't STFU. Why do you continue to insist on pissing all over yourself?
Rhythm, Malcom Young. For lead (& rhythm), John Frusciante.
Given “best” could be many things, there are many “great” guitarists, but these two for their shear volume of work, both over decades, both listenable and interesting and of course, successful.
You come on a friendly thread and totally fugk it up and then can't STFU. Why do you continue to insist on pissing all over yourself?
What a poor sensitive soul you must be - you discount a guy's other posts on the theme of guitar players, but simply can't stand it - ruins your thread - when he disagrees with a useless comparison and gives rationale. Dear, dear fragile soul - please don't be ruined. Do you have pablum for breakfast?
You come on a friendly thread and totally fugk it up and then can't STFU. Why do you continue to insist on pissing all over yourself?
What a poor sensitive soul you must be - you discount a guy's other posts on the theme of guitar players, but simply can't stand it - ruins your thread - when he disagrees with a useless comparison and gives rationale. Dear, dear fragile soul - please don't be ruined. Do you have pablum for breakfast?
It's not my thread, you ignorant old fugk. Do the world a solid. Go crawl in a ditch and shoot yourself in the head.
NOT saying he's in the stratosphere of the all time best, but check out Lukas Nelson. He's Willie's son. He is a rare talent for his age group on the guitar.
Problem with him is he is a one trick pony. Saw him live back in 2006, he does put on a good show. I wish I had his energy.
Saw Yngwie perform at the Dallas Vintage Guitar Show about 10 years ago. He was great, but he had his amplifiers cranked up so Load it was almost unbearable. Even for and old deaf fart like me. Never understood why some performers crank their amps up like that. Totally ruins the show.
Problem with him is he is a one trick pony. Saw him live back in 2006, he does put on a good show. I wish I had his energy.
Saw Yngwie perform at the Dallas Vintage Guitar Show about 10 years ago. He was great, but he had his amplifiers cranked up so Load it was almost unbearable. Even for and old deaf fart like me. Never understood why some performers crank their amps up like that. Totally ruins the show.
I read an article in some music magazine many years ago that so many performers are deaf from playing on stage with their amplifiers cranked up and their speakers right next to them that they have gone basically deaf. They can't tell the speakers were way too loud for normal folks. The article suggested talking to the sound people at the concert if the sound level is too loud for your ears- you can bet you aren't the only one feeling that way....
You come on a friendly thread and totally fugk it up and then can't STFU. Why do you continue to insist on pissing all over yourself?
What a poor sensitive soul you must be - you discount a guy's other posts on the theme of guitar players, but simply can't stand it - ruins your thread - when he disagrees with a useless comparison and gives rationale. Dear, dear fragile soul - please don't be ruined. Do you have pablum for breakfast?
It's not my thread, you ignorant old fugk. Do the world a solid. Go crawl in a ditch and shoot yourself in the head.
Dirt, you seem to have a bent for name-calling and ordering folks to do nasty stuff - in your posts, your ill will is exceeded only by your vulgarity.
You come on a friendly thread and totally fugk it up and then can't STFU. Why do you continue to insist on pissing all over yourself?
What a poor sensitive soul you must be - you discount a guy's other posts on the theme of guitar players, but simply can't stand it - ruins your thread - when he disagrees with a useless comparison and gives rationale. Dear, dear fragile soul - please don't be ruined. Do you have pablum for breakfast?
It's not my thread, you ignorant old fugk. Do the world a solid. Go crawl in a ditch and shoot yourself in the head.
Dirt, you seem to have a bent for name-calling and ordering folks to do nasty stuff - in your posts, your ill will is exceeded only by your vulgarity.
FOAD, you pompous old jackass. You just can't get a clue.
[/quote cccc] Dirt, you seem to have a bent for name-calling and ordering folks to do nasty stuff - in your posts, your ill will is exceeded only by your vulgarity. [/quote]
[/quote Dirt] FOAD, you pompous old jackass. You just can't get a clue.[/quote]
[/quote cccc] No clues needed in your case - your sad state and degraded thinking are stamped on your forehead and in all of your nasty posts. You must be such a happy and satisfied person.[/quote]
- - - -It's not my thread, you ignorant old fugk. Do the world a solid. Go crawl in a ditch and shoot yourself in the head.
Dirt, you seem to have a bent for name-calling and ordering folks to do nasty stuff - in your posts, your ill will is exceeded only by your vulgarity.
FOAD, you pompous old jackass. You just can't get a clue.[/quote] No clues needed in your case - your sad state and degraded thinking are stamped on your forehead and in all of your nasty posts. You must be such a happy and satisfied person. [/quote]
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