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Posted By: Geno67 Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Not paid every day to go fly her majesties most expensive fixed wing blow [bleep] upper flyer or had a clear vision of where we should be flying the US jets.

Looking for input from those who did it wrong and still took to the skies. What say ye lads?
Posted By: RiverRider Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Huh?
Posted By: DMc Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Huh x 2 ?
Posted By: RipSnort Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Originally Posted by DMc
Huh x 2 ?


The profile says he's a "geospatial engineer" and I believe him!


RS
Posted By: mbhunt Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Not a pureblood
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
no shots
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/avo/d/oxford-1963-beechcraft-musketeer-for/7464875444.html
Posted By: Limapapa Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
I feel more like I do now than I did when I came in here.
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Whiskey is yer friend. We need a like button.
Poor aviators end up at the bottom of a big smoking hole in the ground- - - -not in an internet chat room. Just WTF are you talking about?
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
https://stjoseph.craigslist.org/avo/d/maryville-kr2-project/7458153978.html

175 mph pocket rocket. Should not mix with whiskey.

Any of you rich dudes got a 2 place or better plane laying around that needs love? I'm really handy with tools.
Posted By: 160user Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Originally Posted by 160user
The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.


This ^^
Posted By: Crow hunter Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Well, I'm getting old, I'm definitely poor, and I'm an aviator. I still don't have any idea what the OP is asking.
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Well, I'm getting old, I'm definitely poor, and I'm an aviator. I still don't have any idea what the OP is asking.


Here's the burning question- - - -Are you a Phu Ken AV8'er?

ORIGIN OF THE WORD "AVIATOR"
This explains it all. Aviators come from a long line of a secret
society, formed around one thousand years ago. They are warriors, and
here is the proof! Ground pounders can read it and weep!

A little known fact is the origin of the word, "Aviator." In the immortal
words of Johnny Carson: "I did not know that."

Phu Khen (pronounced Foo Ken) 1169-? is considered by some to be the
most under-recognized military officer in history. Many have never heard
of his contributions to modern military warfare. The mission of this
secret society is to bring honor to the name of Phu Khen.

A 'Khen' was a subordinate to a 'Khan' (pronounced 'konn') in the
military structure of the Mongol hordes. Khan is Turkish for leader.
Most know of the great Genghis Khan, but little has been wri tten of his
chain of command.

Khen is also of Turkish origin. Although there is not a word in English
that adequately conveys the meaning. Roughly translated, it means, "One
who will do the impossible, while appearing unprepared and complaining
constantly."

Phu Khen was one of ten Khens that headed the divisions, or groups of
hordes, as they were known, of the Mongol Army serving under Genghis
Khan. His abilities came to light during the Mongols' raids on the
Turkistan city of Bohicaroo. Bohicans were fierce warriors and the city
was well fortified. The entire city was protected by huge walls and the
hordes were at a standoff with the Bohicans. Bohicaroo was well-stocked
and it would be difficult to wait them out. Genghis Khan assembled his
Khens and ordered each of them to develop a plan for penetrating the
defenses of Bohicaroo.

Operation Achieve Victory (AV) was born. All 10 divisions of Khens
submitted their plan. Afte r reviewing AV plans 1 thru 7 and finding them
all unworkable or ridiculous, Genghis Khan was understandably upset.

It was with much perspiration that Phu Khen submitted his idea, which
came to be known as AV 8. Upon seeing AV 8, Genghis was convinced this
was the perfect plan and gave his immediate approval. The plan was
beautifully simple. Phu Khen would arm his hordes to the teeth, load
them into catapults, and hurl them over the wall. The losses were
expected to be high, but hey, hordes were cheap! Those that survived the
flight would engage the enemy in combat. Those that did not? Well,
surely their flailing bodies would cause some damage.

The plan worked and the Bohicans were defeated. From that day on,
whenever the Mongol Army encountered an insurmountable enemy, Genghis
Khan would give the order, "Send some of Phu Khen's AV 8-ers."

This is believed, though not by anyone outside our secret society, to be
the true origin o f the word Aviator (AV 8-er).

Phu Khen's AV 8-ers were understandably an unruly mob, not likely to be
socially acceptable. Many were heavy drinkers and insomniacs. But when
nothing else would do, you could always count on an AV 8-er. A Phu Khen
Aviator. Denied, perhaps rightfully so, his place in history, Phu Khen
has been, nonetheless, immortalized in prose.

As the great poet Norman Lear never once said:
"There once was a man named Phu Khen,
Whose breakfast was whiskey and gin.
When e'er he'd fly, he'd give a mighty war cry:
Bend over, here it comes again."

Consider it an honor to be a Phu Khen Aviator. Wear the mantle proudly,
but speak of it cautiously. It is not always popular to be one of us.

You hear mystical references, often hushed whispers, to 'those Phu Khen
Aviators.' Do not let these things bother you. As with any secret
society, we go largely misunderstood, prohibited by our apathy from
explaining ou rselves.

You are expected to always live down to the reputation of the Phu Khen
Aviator... a reputation cultivated for centuries, undaunted by scorn or
ridicule, unhindered by progress. So drink up, be crude, sleep late,
urinate in public, and get the job done.

When others are offended, you can revel in the knowledge that YOU are a
PHU KHEN AVIATOR!
Posted By: dennisinaz Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Spent the day flying a 75 year old cub, does that count?
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Not a pilot, just my Dad's co-pilot. Buy something exciting:

https://www.platinumfighters.com/fighters/
Posted By: Sharpsman Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
If I just had a J-3!
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Not a pilot, just my Dad's co-pilot. Buy something exciting:

https://www.platinumfighters.com/fighters/


Now we're getting somewhere. Your pop got an airframe layin aroun that needs some special attention?
I'm building an ultralight if that counts...
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Originally Posted by Geno67
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Not a pilot, just my Dad's co-pilot. Buy something exciting:

https://www.platinumfighters.com/fighters/


Now we're getting somewhere. Your pop got an airframe layin aroun that needs some special attention?


Unfortunately, no. He was building an RV-6 when he passed away years ago. Being an airline mechanic (A&P with his Radio License, Spartan School of Aviation), he restored a couple of Piper Tri-Pacers in a suburban two-car garage back in the late 1960's, they turned out beautiful. One was white with tan/black stripes, the other was white with red/black stripes.

Here's where you find affordable projects:

https://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php

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Posted By: bcp Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Quote
Any old poor aviators


Poor aviators don't get old.

smile

Bruce
Posted By: navlav8r Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Yep. One way or another, poor aviators get weeded out pretty quickly. 😊
Posted By: Pugs Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22


Run away. If you want a Mouse, or any other similar Beechcraft, join https://www.beechaeroclub.org/bac-visitors/ and get their pre-buy checklists.
Posted By: DMc Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/11/22
Betcha I've done something in a plane that not many here have had happen...
Expound..........please
Posted By: navlav8r Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/12/22
One night in ‘77 or ‘78 we had a flight student take his girlfriend out to one of the T-2s on the flight line. He opened the canopy and they got in. After a bit, doing what two young “twenty something’s” would be doing at midnight, one of the plane captains saw them, went out to the aircraft, banged on the side of the jet and told them they needed to get out.

Well the student yells out, “just a minute” 😁. The plane captain yelled at them again and got the same response. The aggravated plane captain went into the line shack and called security.

The Security guys got there and they pair were still going at it but got rudely interrupted. They arrested them both and within a couple of days, that student was gone, not to be seen again. 😳
Posted By: kwg020 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/12/22
Yea, yea, yea, fixed wings are gay !! Are you old enough ?? laugh



Posted By: g5m Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/12/22

Cheap to purchase. Might be real pricey since it's without logbooks. Better research that.


Originally Posted by 160user
The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.

Originally Posted by 160user
The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.

Stupid saying. Learn about weight and balance. Avgas weighs 6 pounds per gallon.
Posted By: DMc Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/12/22
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Expound..........please

Took a short flight entered into the pattern, looked down at the windsock and it had shifted 180 degrees in just 30 minutes.
Posted By: Pugs Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/12/22
Originally Posted by DMc
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Expound..........please

Took a short flight entered into the pattern, looked down at the windsock and it had shifted 180 degrees in just 30 minutes.


Sharp frontal passage. Seen it many times.
Posted By: william_iorg Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/12/22
I started flying basic aircraft. Aeronca 11AC and 7AC. Luscombe A Cessna 140's etc.
Made a good living flying and working on larger aircraft, never lost my love for basic aircraft.
The Beech Musketeer is a good buy, If you know an IA with a sense of humor. I used to be one of those guys. Keeps the poor boy flying and I learned a lot about people and airplanes. Those days are gone.
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/13/22
I've found a W10 Tailwind with the wings closed and all welding done for the fuselage/tailfeathers (frame). The kit is supposedly complete. Lycoming O-320-E2D "box of parts". All machine work done, cylinders overhauled, mags overhauled, all yellow tags & 8130's. All assembly required.

The current owner won't tell me what his bottom dollar is. His pop's project that went away when he passed. I think I hurt his feelings when I told him it was for sure worth scrap metal price.
Posted By: william_iorg Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/13/22
A friend in Albuquerque had a Tailwind hangard at Los Lunas Airpark.
It was pretty cramped. I never saw it land but Hap said it was easy to land with a less than 10mph crosswind.
150 mph cruise but high noise.
Lots of small pieces for that engine. An inventory before purchase would be nice.
No matter how cheap you get into it there are a lot of dollars ahead before the first flight and a Tailwind is almost unknown today.
Posted By: Geno67 Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/14/22
Indeed. They are fast, smooth, inexpensive and durable. A few known issues - relatively high stall speed, long landing roll and somewhat tight interior. Pretty sure I can work everything out but the cramped part with modern magic. You can still buy the kits and kit components new too.
Posted By: Tarkio Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/14/22


I tried to buy a musketeer years ago. Got to know the model. That is a heavy low-powered version. If it has the continental engine, avoid it like the plague.

They are hell for stout. Have a tendency to be dropped in on approach so you want to watch the top of wing above where landing gear attaches for dimples from hard landings.
Posted By: g5m Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/14/22
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Well, I'm getting old, I'm definitely poor, and I'm an aviator. I still don't have any idea what the OP is asking.


Here's the burning question- - - -Are you a Phu Ken AV8'er?

ORIGIN OF THE WORD "AVIATOR"
This explains it all. Aviators come from a long line of a secret
society, formed around one thousand years ago. They are warriors, and
here is the proof! Ground pounders can read it and weep!

A little known fact is the origin of the word, "Aviator." In the immortal
words of Johnny Carson: "I did not know that."

Phu Khen (pronounced Foo Ken) 1169-? is considered by some to be the
most under-recognized military officer in history. Many have never heard
of his contributions to modern military warfare. The mission of this
secret society is to bring honor to the name of Phu Khen.

A 'Khen' was a subordinate to a 'Khan' (pronounced 'konn') in the
military structure of the Mongol hordes. Khan is Turkish for leader.
Most know of the great Genghis Khan, but little has been wri tten of his
chain of command.

Khen is also of Turkish origin. Although there is not a word in English
that adequately conveys the meaning. Roughly translated, it means, "One
who will do the impossible, while appearing unprepared and complaining
constantly."

Phu Khen was one of ten Khens that headed the divisions, or groups of
hordes, as they were known, of the Mongol Army serving under Genghis
Khan. His abilities came to light during the Mongols' raids on the
Turkistan city of Bohicaroo. Bohicans were fierce warriors and the city
was well fortified. The entire city was protected by huge walls and the
hordes were at a standoff with the Bohicans. Bohicaroo was well-stocked
and it would be difficult to wait them out. Genghis Khan assembled his
Khens and ordered each of them to develop a plan for penetrating the
defenses of Bohicaroo.

Operation Achieve Victory (AV) was born. All 10 divisions of Khens
submitted their plan. Afte r reviewing AV plans 1 thru 7 and finding them
all unworkable or ridiculous, Genghis Khan was understandably upset.

It was with much perspiration that Phu Khen submitted his idea, which
came to be known as AV 8. Upon seeing AV 8, Genghis was convinced this
was the perfect plan and gave his immediate approval. The plan was
beautifully simple. Phu Khen would arm his hordes to the teeth, load
them into catapults, and hurl them over the wall. The losses were
expected to be high, but hey, hordes were cheap! Those that survived the
flight would engage the enemy in combat. Those that did not? Well,
surely their flailing bodies would cause some damage.

The plan worked and the Bohicans were defeated. From that day on,
whenever the Mongol Army encountered an insurmountable enemy, Genghis
Khan would give the order, "Send some of Phu Khen's AV 8-ers."

This is believed, though not by anyone outside our secret society, to be
the true origin o f the word Aviator (AV 8-er).

Phu Khen's AV 8-ers were understandably an unruly mob, not likely to be
socially acceptable. Many were heavy drinkers and insomniacs. But when
nothing else would do, you could always count on an AV 8-er. A Phu Khen
Aviator. Denied, perhaps rightfully so, his place in history, Phu Khen
has been, nonetheless, immortalized in prose.

As the great poet Norman Lear never once said:
"There once was a man named Phu Khen,
Whose breakfast was whiskey and gin.
When e'er he'd fly, he'd give a mighty war cry:
Bend over, here it comes again."

Consider it an honor to be a Phu Khen Aviator. Wear the mantle proudly,
but speak of it cautiously. It is not always popular to be one of us.

You hear mystical references, often hushed whispers, to 'those Phu Khen
Aviators.' Do not let these things bother you. As with any secret
society, we go largely misunderstood, prohibited by our apathy from
explaining ou rselves.

You are expected to always live down to the reputation of the Phu Khen
Aviator... a reputation cultivated for centuries, undaunted by scorn or
ridicule, unhindered by progress. So drink up, be crude, sleep late,
urinate in public, and get the job done.

When others are offended, you can revel in the knowledge that YOU are a
PHU KHEN AVIATOR!



Thank you for that post!!

Amazing historical research.

Posted By: RockyRaab Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/14/22
It's a "shaggy dog"story - defined as a long and involved tale leading up to a pun.
Posted By: william_iorg Re: Any old poor aviators - 04/14/22
The 150hp Model was under powered but flew well enough. The 180hp model felt better.
The aircraft is heavy and feels comfortable. Parts are expensive. Most started life in the Beech Aero Clubs and had good care. In the early '80' s when we began to see them third and fourth owner they were rough and expensive to Annual.. the fuel injection on the 180's was beginning to be a problem by then. The plain lifter Lycoming is a good engine.

The R Models began to give trouble with main gear actuators and the evenrude power packs. I would not recommend an R Model or the early Piper Arrows for the same reason.

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