Does anybody have a dumb down simplified version of what is expected to happen with the pistol and pistol brace laws? Or a link to look at this up?
In August the ATF intends to announce a point system to determine if any given braced "pistol" is a pistol or an SBR. From what we've seen of that point system, it looks like it's designed to designate almost all (if not literally all) braced pistols as SBRs, requiring a tax stamp.
Found this ..
https://youtu.be/afK-LNjZ9QA Pretty good explanation and example that I found
You have to hope the ATF agent agrees with you that the brace doesn't resemble a stock.
Or simply forget about them, and have what you like. Like there will be an ATF guy at some range in podunk anyway. Just make sure the damn thing hits where you point it, just in case some overzealous prick decides to make it an issue. These azzholes have gotten to this level precisely because they do not fear us. It’s time they were reacquainted with the concept that there are some things its best to leave alone. A guy hitting his targets with a sawed-off AR being one of them. There is no legitimacy left in this government at any level, why we attribute some to them confounds me.
Buddy of mine has one of those, has more trouble hitting anything with it than one would think. Especially when the guy busts balloons and pumpkins at 600m regularly with his .308 bolt gun. Seems like there is always something coming loose, or some other issue. If one needs an AR pistol, make sure you get a good one. A gun that isn’t accurate is worthless.
You have to hope the ATF agent agrees with you that the brace doesn't resemble a stock.
Yes the information I've been digging up this afternoon so much of it is actually based on opinion and interpretation of a gray area.
Yes I can see a great influx of SBR permit applications. 16-in barrels sold, and longer than normal muzzle devices pending welded in the future.
Or simply forget about them, and have what you like. Like there will be an ATF guy at some range in podunk anyway. Just make sure the damn thing hits where you point it, just in case some overzealous prick decides to make it an issue. These azzholes have gotten to this level precisely because they do not fear us. It’s time they were reacquainted with the concept that there are some things its best to leave alone. A guy hitting his targets with a sawed-off AR being one of them. There is no legitimacy left in this government at any level, why we attribute some to them confounds me.
Buddy of mine has one of those, has more trouble hitting anything with it than one would think. Especially when the guy busts balloons and pumpkins at 600m regularly with his .308 bolt gun. Seems like there is always something coming loose, or some other issue. If one needs an AR pistol, make sure you get a good one. A gun that isn’t accurate is worthless.
Can't disagree with any of that.
Kind of reminds one in history of what Hitler thought the German people should have and not have kind of changed with the day in the mood.
It's funny that the storm troopers don't come down hard on all those selling marijuana in certain states, but they'll be all over this.
They are currently legal…until the ATF says they aren’t….which is a flagrant violation of our constitution.
The real question is….What are you willing to do about it?
I just don't buy a barrel less than 16" in length!
Easy peasy!
I just don't buy a barrel less than 16" in length!
Easy peasy!
Well that's true statement. There's a variety of reasons people had shorter barrels. And when they were legally done and approved then they make new stuff up to make you a felony if you have it That's the BS part.
I just don't buy a barrel less than 16" in length!
Easy peasy!
Get the jab, mask up, social distance, and report your neighbors for not doing so. Easy peasy.
Good Gawd. When are you guys going to stop with this f****** s***??
Get it through your f****** heads. You're a criminal and they want to f****** kill you
Least long about 1986 you can keep what you had legally. Local kind of right they want to change the game so you cannot follow the rules...
Least long about 1986 you can keep what you had legally. Local kind of right they want to change the game so you cannot follow the rules...
There are no f****** rules for them. Only for you... So they can shove you in a box car.
I just don't buy a barrel less than 16" in length!
Easy peasy!
Just don't buy a gun!
Easy Peasy!
White men with guns are scwary....
We are the enemies being drilled into the minons heads.
Exploit that if the time ever comes.
Fear is a powerful emotion to be used against any enemy.
It's funny that the storm troopers don't come down hard on all those selling marijuana in certain states, but they'll be all over this.
Yep. Guns Bad. Marijuana Good. 😡😡😡
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
There are untold thousands out there right now. As stupid as they are, do they really intend on making them all walking felonies?
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
There are untold thousands out there right now. As stupid as they are, do they really intend on making them all walking felonies?
I really think they are that stupid and arrogant at this point. I
Honestly, how many ATF agents has the average 'gun guy' seen in person? You local.LEOs shouldn't give a sweet schitt, so..........
Yeah if you're in question if you got a pistol or an SBR just send it to him and they'll tell you LOL like you never see it again no matter what....
Personally, I am done worrying about their rules. If I feel like following a rule, I will. If I don’t, I won’t. The day some loser with nothing better to do decides to make an issue of some rule I ignored, to the point of me looking at time in prison or my rights stolen, will be the day the war begins for me. Once started, it won’t stop until I am dead or things change to suit me better. I am fine either way. Leave me alone, we all live to be old and wiser. Be a prick, get what comes to ya.
OldGrayWolf,
2 thumbs up !!
I hear you buddy, but somebody gotta tell them what waits if they keep pushing. I am in no way saying I want illegal stuff or anything else, just that I do as I please, and will do so as long as I live. Felonies have simply gotten too numerous and too silly for me to concern myself with trying to always be that good guy that does everything legal. I live my life, and a smart man will let me. Idiots will suffer. It’s worked for a few decades so far.
Here’s the points form the ATF has initially proposed. Final regulations are due in August 2022. The form will probably be tweaked a bit one way or another. With the zoo crew in charge today you can bet it will be more restricted. Very subjective points.
Points Form
Here’s the points form the ATF has initially proposed. Final regulations are due in August 2022. The form will probably be tweaked a bit one way or another. With the zoo crew in charge today you can bet it will be more restricted. Very subjective points.
Points Form And you can be sure it'll be challenged in court hopefully, it'll come out like it should . Ruled against. But what me somewhat if the court lets that stand you can be sure they'll start applying a point system to all firearms and make it down there and possible for anything to pass
Yep. Until the barrel length gets moved below 16 inches. Or the adjustable butt stock becomes a no no. Or until you can only buy one a year. Or your magazines become felonies too.
Not letting them tell me how to live. I am not Rambo but I am not taking their schit either.
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
There are untold thousands out there right now. As stupid as they are, do they really intend on making them all walking felonies?
I really think they are that stupid and arrogant at this point. I
Honestly, how many ATF agents has the average 'gun guy' seen in person? You local.LEOs shouldn't give a sweet schitt, so..........
Good point(s).
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
Yeah, if the FFL sold it to you, with the brace on, and assured you it was legally just a pistol, well that's a Federal Firearms Licensee (essentially, an agent of the Federal Government), so you've done your due diligence, and that should be the end of it.
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
Yeah, if the FFL sold it to you, with the brace on, and assured you it was legally just a pistol, well that's a Federal Firearms Licensee (essentially, an agent of the Federal Government), so you've done your due diligence, and that should be the end of it.
A problem there is length, overall & barrel. You can, for example, have a barrel less than the 16” requirement but easily fail the 26” overall length. On the AR forum I think it was MontanaMan or MontanaMarine (?) did some measurements that showed an 11 1/2” or shorter barrel is required to meet the 26” overall requirement.
I’ve seen barrels up to 13.9” for sale from a dealer or manufacturer with the disclaimer a pistol lower required to mount the barrel on. But with the max overall length in effect that’s contradictory to what the atf appears to propose. Clear as mud right now. There are plenty of opinions around that make a reasonable argument the National Firearms Act of 1934 was never intended to include short barreled rifles. Without adding SBR to the mix none of this would be debated.
I look at it like this.. If you bought it when it was legal, then a person should be grandfathered in. Here some bastard comes along Willy nilly and with the stroke of a pen it’s illegal, Fuqk that.
Yeah, if the FFL sold it to you, with the brace on, and assured you it was legally just a pistol, well that's a Federal Firearms Licensee (essentially, an agent of the Federal Government), so you've done your due diligence, and that should be the end of it.
A problem there is length, overall & barrel. You can, for example, have a barrel less than the 16” requirement but easily fail the 26” overall length. On the AR forum I think it was MontanaMan or MontanaMarine (?) did some measurements that showed an 11 1/2” or shorter barrel is required to meet the 26” overall requirement.
I’ve seen barrels up to 13.9” for sale from a dealer or manufacturer with the disclaimer a pistol lower required to mount the barrel on. But with the max overall length in effect that’s contradictory to what the atf appears to propose. Clear as mud right now. There are plenty of opinions around that make a reasonable argument the National Firearms Act of 1934 was never intended to include short barreled rifles. Without adding SBR to the mix none of this would be debated.
It's all f****** bullschit anyway. All this measuring this barrel and that overall length. Designed to make you a criminal after the fact. F*** that.
I just don't buy a barrel less than 16" in length!
Easy peasy!
Compliance is the answer.
Exactly. It is most certainly infringement. Like the new Department of Regulated Speech; don’t argue the qualifications of the director. Argue the unconstitutionality of the department.
Here, don’t argue minutiae. Argue the illegality of the act.
There are plenty of opinions around that make a reasonable argument the National Firearms Act of 1934 was never intended to include short barreled rifles. Without adding SBR to the mix none of this would be debated.
Correct. At some point, someone slipped handguns into the types of firearms that would require a Federal tax to own, and the nation went nuts calling their Congressmen demanding they be removed. Congress obliged, and removed handguns, but forgot to remove SBRs and SBSs, as having already removed handguns from the list made leaving SBRs and SBSs on the list completely nonsensical. Handguns were placed on the list because they were concealable. The same rationale was used for putting SBRs and SBSs on the list. Removing handguns from the list should have also gotten SBRs and SBSs off the list, since they were on the list for the same reason, yet SBRs and SBSs are
less concealable than handguns. Utter nonsense. Someone just forgot to remove them along with handguns from the original list of firearms to require a Federal tax, and that's literally the only reason they remained on the list when it was voted on.
Just gave you a “like” to see what happens.
And you know some of them SOB's are hoping for the influx of SBR permits for the $$
Just think of AR pistol that they say is an SBR that's out there currently had to spend 200 bucks to keep it think of the amount of money that is.
And you know some of them SOB's are hoping for the influx of SBR permits for the $$
Just think of AR pistol that they say is an SBR that's out there currently had to spend 200 bucks to keep it think of the amount of money that is.
And 1 more reason to now have you on a list. F*** that.
And you know some of them SOB's are hoping for the influx of SBR permits for the $$
Just think of AR pistol that they say is an SBR that's out there currently had to spend 200 bucks to keep it think of the amount of money that is.
And 1 more reason to now have you on a list. F*** that.
Yes , so they know where to start "looking" and if you have a tax stamp something they also have the right to come in and look at everything else you have is my understanding. There's a reason some people have multiple safes in different places.