Just watch Marie on FOX and have concluded I need some help understanding.

Can some explain the difference between the Nazi Gestapo and the FBI ?

The FBI raided Mara Lago.

The Nazi gestapos raided the US Capital.

Seriously confused Dimmicrap.

I know you guys dont care much for history but. The National Socialist movement of 1930s Germany was all about the enslavement of Capitalism. Adolf closed down labor unions, took their bank accounts the put their leaders in prison. Next he established the "German Labor Front. This is how he controlled industry. Next he went after all political opponents. They were put in prison. He took over banking and education. Parents did not complain out of fear of prison. I hope some of you noticed just how much the Democrat Party is using Nazi tactics.

We can debate this as much as you want. How do you connect right wing Americans with National Socialist of Germany. Think before you answer. I am pretty sure you dont know much about the National Socialist German Workers Party (nazi).

jdm, I think p-wee is stopped in his tracks. If he isn't he should be.

He dosnt seem to want the debate. Maybe another time.

I concede, I was only half right and half ass.
I also respect, all of your concerns and responses.

- Thank you!

Always been some confusion over here about the subject. !930s Germany had a number of political parties. Only 3 were contenders. Two Socialist Parties and the Communist Party. So Socialist on the right and Communist on the left. The Socialist had its thugs called brown shirts while the Communist had its thugs called antifa. They carry the same flag today that they carried in Germany. There was no far right like in America. This has confused Americans thinking right wing in 1930s Germany was the same as right wing in the USA. Next is lazy people that lump the National Socialist of Germany with the Fascist of Italy. They are kissing cousins but not the same thing. Fascism was the brain child of an Italian name Geovanni Gentile. This was the man that helped Mussolini establish the first Fascist state in Italy. Best to study the men then look at what they did. Mussolini was the editor of 4 Socialist publications but got disenchanted with Socialism. Mussolini also hated Capitalism but considered Capitalist useful. He called Fascism the marriage of state and corporate. He did this with state established and controlled labor unions. Government boot on the neck of industry. Both the National Socialist and Fascist controlled labor. Fascism is a Socialist system with a very thin Capitalist veneer. There is a lot more to this like Hitler established a state car company (volkswagon). Italy didnt hate Jews ect. Hitler was a lunatic where Mussolini not so much. Study the man then look at what they did. This is a quicky. Hope is clears some confusion.

There NSDAP was as far right as anything in the US today. Further right, in several ways.

When it becomes common knowledge that UPTHEPOLE is the latest username that notorious troll LARRY ROOT is using, most folks will recognize him for what he is.

For anyone who wants to know what kind of guy Larry Root really is, I'd suggest reading the thread that jwgibson started in 2014.

Everything the National Socialist Party did was in reaction to the near takeover of Germany by the very same brand of international communism that's in the process of doing the same in the US right now. People make the mistake of starting their history of Nazi Germany with Hitler. He, his party, and his party's policies, were a reaction to something that took place prior.

Not so. The Nazi Party embraced central economic planning, which is a leftist concept in the American plane of reference. There is no analog to American conservatism in the European frame of reference.

The Road to Serfdom by Fredrich A. Hayek would be a good read for you.

Yes, it is so.

If you think I haven't read shabbos goy Hayek, think again.

Think what you like.

I agree. His hate of Jews go to what happened with the Bolshevik revolution. He saw Bolshevik in every Jew.

Exactly. Hitler hated commies. Commies we're taking over, just like in America right now. They'll succeed this time I'm afraid.

Shhhh...

No one tell Jag there's a difference between a nazi and a Bolshevik.

Facts are facts, and whether they are liked isn't relevant.

I don't think they will, at least not for long.

Eventually the revolting behavior of Jews will be too much for normal people to stand, just like it has been everywhere else in history they've tried to settle.

That true statement stands on its own.

If you try and look at the political spectrum in a circular fashion rather than a linear affair, you'll understand the far right and far left are pretty similar. They both crave more control of the citizenry.

It should be noted when discussing the Nazi party’s hatred for Jews that all of Europe hated Jews. The Germans just took it next level.

The idea that the Allies cared about anti-semitism in the 1930s and 1940s is laughable. That’s the whole reason they formed Israel. Nobody else wanted them, it was an inherently selfish action.

It should also be noted that the German high command revolutionized many things. One of those things that proved to be a failure was medicine. Their top doctors thought meth and cocaine were cure alls, a lot of Hitler’s decision making could have been influenced just a smidge. Toward the end of the Third Reich he was injected with speedballs on a regular basis.

But one doesn’t need to dive into the nuances that were the Third Reich. Any student of history can see what is happening in the United States today. Their coup was a success, and now they’re gonna start cleaning up.

I dunno man, look what's happened to Disney since the Jews took control. The masses still gobble that schit up. People are retards in general, I don't see much of a barrier to complete control by Jew commies.

It certainly isn't linear, but I don't see it as circular either. Probably a matrix is the best way to represent it. This simple example is relevant to the read Hayek guy above. It lacks axis labels on purpose.

Duly noted.

kwg

I see it a bit different. I see so many people turned off and they are just not engaged. My wife's family is a big example. They are so wrapped up in their little world they have put politics on auto pilot. They won't make the time for it. It's putting politics on auto pilot that got us here.

The only thing that has people engaged was the stolen election of 2020. THAT got their attention. It's my guess that at least 60% of Americans believe the election was stolen and that has them concerned. The other 40% either don't care or they are democRATs. The raid on Donald Trump's compound might have gotten a few more on board. I would like to think that was a wake up call to millions of Americans.

kwg

They are both state controlled national entities. One, communism owns controls and dictates the means of production and the collective, while the other although directing the means of production, allows for the concept of profit. In Germany, industry was still held by private entities, Krupp, Porsche, I.G. Farben, etc whilst in the communist world EVERYTHING is owned by the state. Both tell you want, when and where to go from cradle to grave. BTW, hatred of jews is a common factor throughout history. There is a reason for that, too. Incidentally, the "Philosopher" of the Nazis was a jew..

The below might brighten your mood. Almost every tentacle of International Jewry present in the US was also present in Weimer Germany and was just as deeply embedded.

The only significant difference I see at this point is that things aren't nearly as bad in the daly lives of most people in the US. This makes a good case for accelerationism, since things will have to get worse before they get better let's just make them worse ASAP.

The OP is a troll.

He wants to get you people in trouble.

While the Nazi party allowed private ownership of industry, there was a fellow by the name of Albert Speer who worked for Hitler. His directions to industry carried the force of law.

Uh-Huh

Speer''s command and control really didn't come into full play until the end of 43 almost to 44 when they knew it was over. Still, all these companies were allowed (and did) make a lot of profit. One of the reasons all of them survived the war and were able to make the transition back to normal, whereas practically NONE of the Soviet run industries were able to after the collapse in 91.

Speer was minister of armaments by 1942, but you're probably right about his power increasing as the Reich's desperation mounted.

My main contention is that the Nazi system only used free enterprise (if you could even call it that) much like the CCP does at present. It was just the other side of the totalitarian coin in that Hitler aspired to operate a command economy from day one.

There really isn’t a significant difference between Nazism, Communism and Progressive Fascism. They just use different lies to achieve the same goal, utopia. They want a one party state that they rule without constraints (like our Constitution) and through it control every aspect of society.

Agreed on the CCP comparison.

"The raid on Donald Trump's compound might have gotten a few more on board. I would like to think that was a wake up call to millions of Americans."

I doubt it very much. We're too busy watching TV shows and living the "good" life. Too many distractions. Jan 6, school shootings, loony tunes running over people, movie starts dying and dozen more things I can think of. I dropped cable, no antenna for the freebie stations and all the TV set is good for now is watching movies on DVDs. I got tired of the MSM lying to me every night.
PJ

That’s because the United States enabled them to do so.

That’s the only reason.

All manufacturing by Japan and Germany throughout the war was 100% dictated and managed by their government.

Jim is our Contrarian voice.

kwg

German industry had the infrastructure to transition to a market economy after the war ended because they profit motive was preserved throughout the existence of the Third Reich. There were a lot of people (including stockholders) who made a lot of money through privately held stock. Prior to late 1943, orders were placed for war materiel just like we do here and it was really up the these firms to allocate production/profit (The Arms of Krupp is an excellent source) to fulfill these orders. IT was only after 43' when Speer's power really set in and they completely directed manufacturing and not before. He even told Himmler and his favorite badass Heydrich, he needed the slave labor and not the death camps.

And due to the Neonazis in US govt?

That does not work here. It will get a lot of information put out. The Campfire is not Twitter.

This is a great visual.

kwg

Are you a boomer and did you go to a public school?

You can make a discussion complicated or you can keep it simple. Things are best understood if kept simple. The things listed are all tyranny. It does not matter what shade of tyranny it is. It is still tyranny.

Simpletons do need to simplify complex things for sure.

So what kind of person needs to complicate everything? Maybe someone trying to convince others he is smart? Life is only as complicated as you make it. Tyranny is not complicated. We can dissect hundreds of times. Fill pages with words describing it. It is unchanged with all the effort. It is just tyranny. Many times we are so concerned with the pieces we loose sight of the whole.

I remember a quote from a famous German historian:

"Had Hitler died in 1938, he would be remembered as one the the greatest leaders of the 20th century."

As would have Il Duce.

And you're one of the biggest douche bags of the 21st Century.

The gestapo were honest

If grasshoppers carried .44s the birds wouldn't mess with them.

What they tell people to justify the evil that they do is irrelevant lies. What is important is that they want absolute power and don’t respect liberty.

The Dems are working to establish a one party state that they rule without the constraints of an opposition party or the constitution. The reason Dems are in favor of unlimited illegal immigration and are directing the illegals to Red states is that they want to turn Red states into hard blue states like they did to California. If they can turn Texas or Florida to the dark side Republicans wouldn’t have a chance of winning a presidential election. Turning Red states Blue would turn the Congress blue and give the Dems control of Congress almost 100% of the time. They also plan to gain control of the Senate by creating 2 new Dem states with 4 d mm Dem senators. The constitution restrains the Federal government and Dems plan to remove this constraint by packing the Supreme Court with enough fanatical progressive justices so that they will never lose a Supreme Court decision. This is the progressive fascist utopia and shows that we can never trust Dems with the future of our country.

Would you like to discuss the National Socialist movement of 1930s Germany. I will teach you all about Nazism. Just to give you a hint the National Socialist of Germany and the Fascist of Italy are kissing cousins but not the same thing.

Been reading P Weed's posts for 20 years.

Sarcasm has trouble coming through in print sometimes, but even I could see it here.

However you want to describe it the end result is the same. Washington has devolved into a Marxist hellhole. It has its private army. The Capitol police now roam around the world doing their bidding. The agencies protect the Marxist movement and we have allowed it.

Has anyone here watched " Babylon Berlin" on Netflix?

Easy: the GESTAPO wore uber-kool leather coats and no minorities...

Dont matter dipschit Warrry Wooot..

You thread to try and build sockpuppet cred is moot now for you.
Since you got 86,d yesterday.

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Bricktop will be by your place in a bit to splain it to ya.......

Eventually.

While I get what you are saying, let me throw this out for the record. The Speer example you use was during a complete and total war time economy. Pre war Nazi Germany did in-fact run on private business, unlike the Soviet Union that had total State control in war or peace. Let us also acknowledge that even in the United States, our switch to a war time economy was directed by the government and government contracts here at home. Ford made bombers, Rock-o-la made carbines. Food was rationed . etc. etc.

Is Col. Klink back????????

Please, PLEASE give us the name of this "famous German historian".