I posted a thread earlier that got polluted with idiotic innuendo. This is a clean pictorial of how quick a few Grizzlies can consume a full sized bull elk. If you think that Alaska has all the big bears, you might want to think again...
They do look big. I was talking to a fellow hunter yesterday about the local grizzly population around here, he said he saw one burying a carcass about 8 years ago in a logging block. He went back in there for a look, and it had a black bear buried, he said he wasn't sure if the grizzly had killed the black bear or not.
Here are before and after pictures that show the power of a grizzly and how little anything, including a tree, will slow him down. Notice the trees in the foreground when the elk was first buried and how they aren't there anymore...
They do look big. I was talking to a fellow hunter yesterday about the local grizzly population around here, he said he saw one burying a carcass about 8 years ago in a logging block. He went back in there for a look, and it had a black bear buried, he said he wasn't sure if the grizzly had killed the black bear or not.
I posted a thread earlier that got polluted with idiotic innuendo. This is a clean pictorial of how quick a few Grizzlies can consume a full sized bull elk. If you think that Alaska has all the big bears, you might want to think again...
I put a camera on an elk cow here and just getting ravens and mag pies. Have yet to get a griz on a game camera
I bet you all in that country are careful. It probably wouldn’t be good to walk up on one, startle him or her. Do you walk out at night to a hunting spot?? What about a kill after dark?? The only thing down here that concerns is walking up on a big feral pig sow with babies. I put an arrow in a piglet once, bitch went crazy. I wear a sidearm just for that, probably couldn’t hit cshit, but maybe the noise will scare them..
I bet you all in that country are careful. It probably wouldn’t be good to walk up on one, startle him or her. Do you walk out at night to a hunting spot? I wear a sidearm just for that, probably couldn’t hit cshit, but maybe the noise will scare them..
I do wear a revolver and bear spray, but when you look at the size of that bear, you lose confidence in the gun and never had any confidence in the bear spray..
I bet you all in that country are careful. It probably wouldn’t be good to walk up on one, startle him or her. Do you walk out at night to a hunting spot? I wear a sidearm just for that, probably couldn’t hit cshit, but maybe the noise will scare them..
I do wear a revolver and bear spray, but when you look at the size of that bear, you lose confidence in the gun and never had any confidence in the bear spray..
No kidding.
The walking sticks with bells attached that REI sells to the granola/yogurt/Subaru/armpit hair crowd kinda cracks me up.
What you need is a good pair of Nikes, and a hiking companion with flip flops.
Awesome pictures of some big bears….even for Montana.jk. 👍
They are awe inspiring when encountered in their natural habitat and just about anything you carry for a firearm seems small. I do love having the wild places that they inhabit and without those top tiered predators those places wouldn’t be wild.
Looks like moose hunting on the Kenai Peninsula! Big brown bears are every where. I love hunting in wild country. All wilderness has grizzly bears. Trees and brush and mountains are not wilderness with out the big bears.
They do look big. I was talking to a fellow hunter yesterday about the local grizzly population around here, he said he saw one burying a carcass about 8 years ago in a logging block. He went back in there for a look, and it had a black bear buried, he said he wasn't sure if the grizzly had killed the black bear or not.
I'm sure you know that they will.
One of the comments below that youtube vid:
"You should always carry pepper spray and wear a bell when in bear country. You can tell the kind of bear by examining their poop. Black bear poop contains twigs and berries. Grizzly bear poop smells like pepper spray and contains little bells."
They do look big. I was talking to a fellow hunter yesterday about the local grizzly population around here, he said he saw one burying a carcass about 8 years ago in a logging block. He went back in there for a look, and it had a black bear buried, he said he wasn't sure if the grizzly had killed the black bear or not.
I'm sure you know that they will.
One of the comments below that youtube vid:
"You should always carry pepper spray and wear a bell when in bear country. You can tell the kind of bear by examining their poop. Black bear poop contains twigs and berries. Grizzly bear poop smells like pepper spray and contains little bells."
Also helps if you are adept at climbing trees. If the bears climbs after you, it's a black bear; if it tears the tree down to get you it's a grizzly.
I bet you all in that country are careful. It probably wouldn’t be good to walk up on one, startle him or her. Do you walk out at night to a hunting spot? I wear a sidearm just for that, probably couldn’t hit cshit, but maybe the noise will scare them..
I do wear a revolver and bear spray, but when you look at the size of that bear, you lose confidence in the gun and never had any confidence in the bear spray..
That’s the same batunka ass all the Kardashians pay a cosmetic surgeon to give them.
I saw some game cam pics a couple of weeks ago of a water hole on Buck ridge near the First Yellow Mule which is just a few miles South of Big Sky resort. In 2 days, 7 different grizzlies and 2 black bears went to this water hole. No shortage of bears around.
I bet you all in that country are careful. It probably wouldn’t be good to walk up on one, startle him or her. Do you walk out at night to a hunting spot? I wear a sidearm just for that, probably couldn’t hit cshit, but maybe the noise will scare them..
I do wear a revolver and bear spray, but when you look at the size of that bear, you lose confidence in the gun and never had any confidence in the bear spray..
That’s the same batunka ass all the Kardashians pay a cosmetic surgeon to give them.
This has been an interesting thread--partly because of the comments on grizzly bear size.
The biggest Montana weighed on a certified scale in front of witnesses went 1018 pounds, no doubt in the fall, when they tend to be fattest. But around 15-20 years ago some of the bear researchers with the state game department trapped and tranquilized one in the spring--which bottomed out the 800-pound portable scale they used in the mountains. I wouldn't be surprised if that bear wouldn't have weighed more than 1018 pounds in the fall.
Like Shrap I was born and raised here (in fact we was a year behind me at Bozeman Senior High School), and run into a bunch of grizzlies over the decades, some in Glacier and Yellowstone Parks. Luckily none has been aggressive. Have run into others in Canada, in Alberta, British Columbia and Northwest and Nunavut Territories. In fact saw 10 on a horsepack caribou, elk and moose hunt in northern BC--and a big one tried to come in on my guide and me as we were cutting up my moose. Luckily, the bear realized we were ready--but was on the remnants of the bull when we packed out on the nearby trail two days later. He was the biggest I've seen outside of Alaska--though dunno if he weighed over 1000 pounds.
The two biggest I've seen in Alaska were both on Kodiak Island, where I've done three fishing and one hunting trip, but the interior bear I took in 2009 was big enough that both my guide (a bigger and younger guy) had to expend considerable effort to roll the bear over for skinning.
This has been an interesting thread--partly because of the comments on grizzly bear size.
The biggest Montana weighed on a certified scale in front of witnesses went 1018 pounds, no doubt in the fall, when they tend to be fattest. But around 15-20 years ago some of the bear researchers with the state game department trapped and tranquilized one in the spring--which bottomed out the 800-pound portable scale they used in the mountains. I wouldn't be surprised if that bear wouldn't have weighed more than 1018 pounds in the fall.
Like Shrap I was born and raised here (in fact we was a year behind me at Bozeman Senior High School), and run into a bunch of grizzlies over the decades, some in Glacier and Yellowstone Parks. Luckily none has been aggressive. Have run into others in Canada, in Alberta, British Columbia and Northwest and Nunavut Territories. In fact saw 10 on a horsepack caribou, elk and moose hunt in northern BC--and a big one tried to come in on my guide and me as we were cutting up my moose. Luckily, the bear realized we were ready--but was on the remnants of the bull when we packed out on the nearby trail two days later. He was the biggest I've seen outside of Alaska--though dunno if he weighed over 1000 pounds.
Well Lost Trail laughed at the 600 pound guesstimate, what would you guess he weighs?
This has been an interesting thread--partly because of the comments on grizzly bear size.
The biggest Montana weighed on a certified scale in front of witnesses went 1018 pounds, no doubt in the fall, when they tend to be fattest. But around 15-20 years ago some of the bear researchers with the state game department trapped and tranquilized one in the spring--which bottomed out the 800-pound portable scale they used in the mountains. I wouldn't be surprised if that bear wouldn't have weighed more than 1018 pounds in the fall.
Like Shrap I was born and raised here (in fact we was a year behind me at Bozeman Senior High School), and run into a bunch of grizzlies over the decades, some in Glacier and Yellowstone Parks. Luckily none has been aggressive. Have run into others in Canada, in Alberta, British Columbia and Northwest and Nunavut Territories. In fact saw 10 on a horsepack caribou, elk and moose hunt in northern BC--and a big one tried to come in on my guide and me as we were cutting up my moose. Luckily, the bear realized we were ready--but was on the remnants of the bull when we packed out on the nearby trail two days later. He was the biggest I've seen outside of Alaska--though dunno if he weighed over 1000 pounds.
Well Lost Trail laughed at the 600 pound guesstimate, what would you guess he weighs?
An old timer and friend of mine told me story 20 years ago and I thought I would share it with you guys.
Many years before he told me this story, a man that went hunting about 2 hours from where I live, went hunting on his own and without a partner. Well he did not return from his hunt and a few days later a search party went to look for him but they could not find him, so they gave up.
A week later my friend went moose hunting in the same area on his own, he was an expert hunter and knew his way around the bush. Anyway a couple of hours into the hunt he came across an area that looked pretty disturbed, like you would see in an area where moose were fighting and at the same time he smelled the definite order of rotting flesh.
He was looking around and noticed a pile of leaves, dirt and debris typical when you come across an animal that had been buried by a bear, so he went a little closer to have a look wondering if it was a buried moose or elk.
While he walked towards it he noticed a boot sticking out of the pile of debris which struck him as odd and a few steps more he saw that the boot was attached to a meatless tibia and fibula and the rest covered by the leaves and dirt.
Needless to say he got the %#$* out of there ASAP. He told me that he was never more scared in his life and that on the way out his head was on a swivel. We did not have cell phones back then and there was really no rush to call the police anyway. When he got home he called the RCMP and told them he found the man. He took them back to the area, sure enough it was him, the missing guy. They took his remains out and he did get a proper burial.
I hunt in grizz country, and a grizz is the only animal that makes me nervous, except for bull moose when I bow hunt them during the rut and calling them in really close.
I have the highest respect for all bears, I have seen them first hand doing things that takes incredible strength and that is truly remarkable. One bear came at me up a tree once, he was in my tree stand in a few seconds and I was 20 feet up. Where I hunt its pretty thick bush, and you do not get to see them coming from a long way off.
I never go into grizz country unless I am properly armed and always on FULL ALERT.
This has been an interesting thread--partly because of the comments on grizzly bear size.
The biggest Montana weighed on a certified scale in front of witnesses went 1018 pounds, no doubt in the fall, when they tend to be fattest. But around 15-20 years ago some of the bear researchers with the state game department trapped and tranquilized one in the spring--which bottomed out the 800-pound portable scale they used in the mountains. I wouldn't be surprised if that bear wouldn't have weighed more than 1018 pounds in the fall.
Like Shrap I was born and raised here (in fact we was a year behind me at Bozeman Senior High School), and run into a bunch of grizzlies over the decades, some in Glacier and Yellowstone Parks. Luckily none has been aggressive. Have run into others in Canada, in Alberta, British Columbia and Northwest and Nunavut Territories. In fact saw 10 on a horsepack caribou, elk and moose hunt in northern BC--and a big one tried to come in on my guide and me as we were cutting up my moose. Luckily, the bear realized we were ready--but was on the remnants of the bull when we packed out on the nearby trail two days later. He was the biggest I've seen outside of Alaska--though dunno if he weighed over 1000 pounds.
Well Lost Trail laughed at the 600 pound guesstimate, what would you guess he weighs?
This has been an interesting thread--partly because of the comments on grizzly bear size.
The biggest Montana weighed on a certified scale in front of witnesses went 1018 pounds, no doubt in the fall, when they tend to be fattest. But around 15-20 years ago some of the bear researchers with the state game department trapped and tranquilized one in the spring--which bottomed out the 800-pound portable scale they used in the mountains. I wouldn't be surprised if that bear wouldn't have weighed more than 1018 pounds in the fall.
Like Shrap I was born and raised here (in fact we was a year behind me at Bozeman Senior High School), and run into a bunch of grizzlies over the decades, some in Glacier and Yellowstone Parks. Luckily none has been aggressive. Have run into others in Canada, in Alberta, British Columbia and Northwest and Nunavut Territories. In fact saw 10 on a horsepack caribou, elk and moose hunt in northern BC--and a big one tried to come in on my guide and me as we were cutting up my moose. Luckily, the bear realized we were ready--but was on the remnants of the bull when we packed out on the nearby trail two days later. He was the biggest I've seen outside of Alaska--though dunno if he weighed over 1000 pounds.
Well Lost Trail laughed at the 600 pound guesstimate, what would you guess he weighs?
In the late '80s biologists were studying bears in the area around the NW corner of Glacier Park, both sides of the border, for three years. There was an especially large male in the area, mostly on the B.C. side, which they never succeeded in trapping, but sometimes saw and quite often found and measured his tracks. They claimed that with the experience they had, they were able to judge autumn weight pretty closely by track dimensions, and estimated this one at very close to 1100 pounds. One day a biologist was watching a black bear which three days earlier had been trapped, weighed and otherwise probed, then tagged. It weighd 440 pounds. While watching, the huge grizzly rushed from the timber and killed the black and proceedede to devour it. The biologist said the grizzly had nearly the black's whole head in it's mouth.
The big guy was not normally known to cause problems, but the hunting outfitter in the area kept a messy camp and had been warned by BC conservation to clean it up. One evening he and some clients crossed the border (illegally), spent some time at the Northern Lights saloon in Polebridge. When they returned to camp the big griz was there eating trash, the outfitter gut shot it, probably hoping it would wander off before dying and thus avoiding scrutiny on himself; but leaving a wounded, huge grizzly wandering the woods during hunting season. A few days later the group returned to Polebridge, got drunk, and one of them told other patrons the story; as a result, BC conservation investigated, fined him and he forfeited the hunting/guiding license, for which he reportedly paid $1.5 million Canadian dollars. I don't remember the exchange rate at the time.
A large black grizzly was caught during that study period which was weighed at 880 lbs, but I don't remember what time of year.
The biggest I ever encountered in that general area was, according to FWP, around 750lbs fall fat.
How do they know? What method are they using for estimation? They could have 3,000 or more, maybe. Unless..
Alaska was using a method developed and used for Montana bear pop studies - admittedly not a good fit but all they had until they figured out how to do it more accurately. (And got the funding for it- always important)
Set up bait stations with barbed wire hair snatchers arounbd it, then DNA the suckers. Over a 3 or 4 year period of "capture and recapture" of the samples, they could make a far better estimate of the bear population.
We wound up with almost twice as many bears as with originally used Montana methodology. I'm thinking Montana probably is doing the same DNA-based method now, but don't know.
We've had some big ones in Eastern Idaho. Idmilton got a big griz on tral cam at his blackbear bait a few years back. Iirc they had shot and skinned out a 350ish pound black bear and left the carcas near the bait. They were headed back to the bait a day or 2 later and something had carried the 350 carcas quite a ways down the trail. They went and checked their cams and it was a huge grizzly. I think it wasn't too far up the hill just east of rigby. If he sees this hopefully he can tell the story for us correctly.
How do they know? What method are they using for estimation? They could have 3,000 or more, maybe. Unless..
Alaska was using a method developed and used for Montana bear pop studies - admittedly not a good fit but all they had until they figured out how to do it more accurately. (And got the funding for it- always important)
Set up bait stations with barbed wire hair snatchers arounbd it, then DNA the suckers. Over a 3 or 4 year period of "capture and recapture" of the samples, they could make a far better estimate of the bear population.
We wound up with almost twice as many bears as with originally used Montana methodology. I'm thinking Montana probably is doing the same DNA-based method now, but don't know.
So they could be right.
It was far better than using a no longer valid model with different parameters than the KP!
las - At least 10 years ago I heard that Montana used the same barbed wire hair snatcher/DNA gathering technique in a rather limited area around Glacier National Park and likewise found they had twice as many grizzlies as previously estimated. They tried to get a federal grant to expand the study to all of northwestern MT, but were turned down. The biologist who told me this suspected the reason was that it would provide data supporting re-opening grizzly hunting, something the DC politicians/political hacks were against.
My favorite line about grizzlies came out of a Sackett novel. Tell, I think it was, opined that it was amazing how filled up a country could get with just you and a griz in it.
I bet you all in that country are careful. It probably wouldn’t be good to walk up on one, startle him or her. Do you walk out at night to a hunting spot? I wear a sidearm just for that, probably couldn’t hit cshit, but maybe the noise will scare them..
I do wear a revolver and bear spray, but when you look at the size of that bear, you lose confidence in the gun and never had any confidence in the bear spray..
No kidding.
The walking sticks with bells attached that REI sells to the granola/yogurt/Subaru/armpit hair crowd kinda cracks me up.
What you need is a good pair of Nikes, and a hiking companion with flip flops.
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