‘Dangerously defective’ pistol fires even if you don’t touch the trigger, lawsuit says Twenty plaintiffs named in the lawsuit became gunshot victims when their own Sig Sauer P320 Pistol fired unexpectedly, without the trigger ever being touched, according to the complaint representing the plaintiffs nationwide.
Nothing to do with Sigs but years ago I met my dad and his friend at a campsite to go hunting. When I got there, the friend had another friend who'd come along for the ride. This friend was doing some target shooting with a 9mm of some kind. I walked over to talk and he asked me if I wanted to shoot it. Sure. He inserted a mag and handed it to me with the slide back. I pushed the button to release the slide and when it went forward, it fired. My finger was nowhere near the trigger. I looked at him and he just said 'It does that sometimes'. The ignorant bastard had handed me a defective gun and hadn't bothered to tell me. It was a good thing I had it pointed down range.
In reading about the unintentional discharges (after the voluntary recall and upgrades) reported with the P320 I've always came to the conclusion that it was likely shooter stupidity/error.....that is until the one with the guy at the match whose gun fired while already in the holster--- not as it's being holstered. That one leaves me thinking that there may well be a problem with the gun. I own one, a P320 AXG, and have had no issues of any kind and I REALLY like the gun. However, I will NOT carry it with a round in the chamber. That means it's now relegated to the status of range gun only.
I have three P320's, one is an original model from when they first came out. Thousands of rounds downrange between them and no issues. With or without holsters.
I carry one of these pistols almost everyday, and have confidence in the design. They passed the DoD testing, thousands have been issued but we don't hear about our troops being wounded by their sidearms.
As far ad I've been able to determine the only ones that have been experiencing these issues are those that do not have the manual thumb safety--- something all the military 320s have. Most of the unintentional discharges are almost certainly due to improper holsters, poor gun handling, etc. However, the one that happened with the gentleman at the match is a different issue. The gun was already holstered and not being handled. So, yes, I do suspect that there may well be an issue with the P320 that makes it potentially dangerous....enough so that I will not carry mine with a round in the chamber, and is going to be sold.
Well, since you own two of them there must not be a problem. Glad it was all cleared up.
I don’t own a Sig but I do own a Remington 700 with the Walker trigger that would fire when the safety was disengaged. Tons of guys would declare that they ‘own one and never had a problem’ so there must not be an issue. But there is.
Do you *really* think that you owning a grand total of two handguns and not having any problems completely clears the entire issue? Or is it possible that only some of them have a problems? Or maybe you just haven’t had a problem *yet*? A sample size of 2 is pretty small.
As far ad I've been able to determine the only ones that have been experiencing these issues are those that do not have the manual thumb safety--- something all the military 320s have. Most of the unintentional discharges are almost certainly due to improper holsters, poor gun handling, etc. However, the one that happened with the gentleman at the match is a different issue. The gun was already holstered and not being handled. So, yes, I do suspect that there may well be an issue with the P320 that makes it potentially dangerous....enough so that I will not carry mine with a round in the chamber, and is going to be sold.
My m&p 40 did be for i fixed it had to get what was referred to me as the candy cane bent back into the proper arch. before the fix if the slide was moved from side to side or lateral movement was applied to slide it would fire with out pulling the tiger. and i found this before i even attempted to load a loaded mag in to brand new M&P 40 Vtac
I'll be the first to say competition shooters get used to a certain trigger and think they wanted demand it on a carry weapon and that's not always a great deal... whether this is related to the article or not I do not know I did not watch the video it's like using a bench rest trigger and a hunting rifle it's just not the wisest idea all the time..
Seems dubious to me. I have 2 Sig P320 X5 Legions that I shoot in competition (IDPA, USPSA etc.) and have thousands of rounds through them. In addition I know lots of other competition shooters who shoot them regularly. I've never heard of such a thing. I suppose it's possible such a problem exists, but I'm skeptical.
As far ad I've been able to determine the only ones that have been experiencing these issues are those that do not have the manual thumb safety--- something all the military 320s have. Most of the unintentional discharges are almost certainly due to improper holsters, poor gun handling, etc. However, the one that happened with the gentleman at the match is a different issue. The gun was already holstered and not being handled. So, yes, I do suspect that there may well be an issue with the P320 that makes it potentially dangerous....enough so that I will not carry mine with a round in the chamber, and is going to be sold.
Excellent Idea, make it someone else's problem.
Nope. Not going to make it someone else's problem. If sold, the potential issues will be fully disclosed and discussed with the new owner BEFORE selling.
Well, since you own two of them there must not be a problem. Glad it was all cleared up.
I don’t own a Sig but I do own a Remington 700 with the Walker trigger that would fire when the safety was disengaged. Tons of guys would declare that they ‘own one and never had a problem’ so there must not be an issue. But there is.
Do you *really* think that you owning a grand total of two handguns and not having any problems completely clears the entire issue? Or is it possible that only some of them have a problems? Or maybe you just haven’t had a problem *yet*? A sample size of 2 is pretty small.
Strange, the situations that made the Walker trigger infamous were not repeatable. Jack Belk traded what he had in place of a soul to slander the trigger.
AS in Audi 5000 ?... They were the hottest selling cars in their class... The media hit piece all but killed them... They claimed "Sudden Unexplained Acceleration with Demonic Power"... It was later exposed that they hired a Racing transmission builder to modify the trans valve body to launch the test car like a trans brake equipped drag race car... IIRC the Ford Taurus sales really took off after the Audi 5000 sales plummeted... I wonder if there was a connection ? lol... Had two of them 5000's,,, Made $$$ on both em... Much better built cars than the Taurus...
IIRC the "incendiary" device used was a model rocket engine and they had to leave the gas cap completely loose on the overfilled tank to spill the fuel... There were millions of these GM "square body" trucks on the road yet when this hit piece was made... I wonder how many folks traded up for a New P.U. after that story? lol...
As far ad I've been able to determine the only ones that have been experiencing these issues are those that do not have the manual thumb safety--- something all the military 320s have. Most of the unintentional discharges are almost certainly due to improper holsters, poor gun handling, etc. However, the one that happened with the gentleman at the match is a different issue. The gun was already holstered and not being handled. So, yes, I do suspect that there may well be an issue with the P320 that makes it potentially dangerous....enough so that I will not carry mine with a round in the chamber, and is going to be sold.
Excellent Idea, make it someone else's problem.
What problem? You previously stated that the problem was dumbasses playing with guns, so there is no problem to pass along.
As far ad I've been able to determine the only ones that have been experiencing these issues are those that do not have the manual thumb safety--- something all the military 320s have. Most of the unintentional discharges are almost certainly due to improper holsters, poor gun handling, etc. However, the one that happened with the gentleman at the match is a different issue. The gun was already holstered and not being handled. So, yes, I do suspect that there may well be an issue with the P320 that makes it potentially dangerous....enough so that I will not carry mine with a round in the chamber, and is going to be sold.
Excellent Idea, make it someone else's problem.
What problem? You previously stated that the problem was dumbasses playing with guns, so there is no problem to pass along.
Intent and the problem was dumbasses playing with guns, prove me wrong.
As far ad I've been able to determine the only ones that have been experiencing these issues are those that do not have the manual thumb safety--- something all the military 320s have. Most of the unintentional discharges are almost certainly due to improper holsters, poor gun handling, etc. However, the one that happened with the gentleman at the match is a different issue. The gun was already holstered and not being handled. So, yes, I do suspect that there may well be an issue with the P320 that makes it potentially dangerous....enough so that I will not carry mine with a round in the chamber, and is going to be sold.
Excellent Idea, make it someone else's problem.
What problem? You previously stated that the problem was dumbasses playing with guns, so there is no problem to pass along.
Maybe you should try reading what I previously wrote again. What I wrote was that I thought the cause was LIKELY shooter stupidity/error....that is UNTIL the incident with the guy at a match whose 320 fired while holstered.
BIG difference between what I wrote and what you apparently read.
Well, since you own two of them there must not be a problem. Glad it was all cleared up.
I don’t own a Sig but I do own a Remington 700 with the Walker trigger that would fire when the safety was disengaged. Tons of guys would declare that they ‘own one and never had a problem’ so there must not be an issue. But there is.
Do you *really* think that you owning a grand total of two handguns and not having any problems completely clears the entire issue? Or is it possible that only some of them have a problems? Or maybe you just haven’t had a problem *yet*? A sample size of 2 is pretty small.
Strange, the situations that made the Walker trigger infamous were not repeatable. Jack Belk traded what he had in place of a soul to slander the trigger.
