While its a nice gesture donating the hunt there aint a game animal on the face of the earth that I would consider paying anything remotely close to $300k plus to hunt!!!
The license bought and then donated was for one of the very best mule deer areas in our country. It was purchased at the SLC Hunt Expo, Utah hunting expo.
There’s gotta be a parallel somewhere about the fall of the Roman Empire and paying $310,000 for a DEER HUNT.
It’s most definitely a wonderful gesture and I raise my hat to the gentleman that donated it to the Veteran but I don’t see any deer being worth that kind of money….but I also don’t post pictures and lies about deer I didn’t shoot so maybe I don’t place enough value on deer. 😳
While its a nice gesture donating the hunt there aint a game animal on the face of the earth that I would consider paying anything remotely close to $300k plus to hunt!!!
There’s gotta be a parallel somewhere about the fall of the Roman Empire and paying $310,000 for a DEER HUNT.
It’s most definitely a wonderful gesture and I raise my hat to the gentleman that donated it to the Veteran but I don’t see any deer being worth that kind of money….but I also don’t post pictures and lies about deer I didn’t shoot so maybe I don’t place enough value on deer. 😳
you have totally missed the concept of paying that kind of money for a hunt....bob
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
If you pay that kind of money for a hunt, you deserve to be scammed.
You have an knack for always taking the dumbschiet view on things.
Congradulations?
The money generated from aution tags goes back into wildlife programs that help all hunters.
That's why hunters with resources spend so much on those auction tags.
Most also stoke their own ego by taking an animal on the tag but it's pretty cool of that guy to give the hunt to the Vet.
Originally Posted by shootem
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
Charitable contribution.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
He got a deer. He has to give the IRS a hindquarter.
If it were a true good gesture nobody would know about it.
Why?
He bought the tag at a very public auction and the hunts on AI get a lot of publicity.
We don't know what if anything else the guy does for charity but this example is one that would be hard to hide and draws good publicity for the auction hunts and veteran issues.
I'm glad for the veteran, I hope he enjoyed that hunt!!
About the declared value of the hunt: even an auctioned tag (Texas Bighorn Society) for a desert bighorn sheep in west Texas goes from $100k - $150k over the past couple of decades (auction/raffle). I don't know what the few, lucky ranchers who get a tag sell theirs for, probably about the same price.
I for one certainly applaud the premise of this whole deal, though I am cautious as to what or who the donated funds went to. I tend to distrust some of the big vendors at the SLC Hunt Expo. Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife, in particular. I have zero clue if they were involved in this situation or not.
Antelope Island is well known for its huge deer and I’d love a crack at one. Good on the lucky hunter.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
Take a running leap a$$hole. The IRS has a way with rules that isn’t always moral. The charitable contribution was the dollars paid for the hunt. The hunt was then given to the vet. Good for him. The question I put out is real.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
Take a running leap [bleep]. The IRS has a way with rules that isn’t always moral. The charitable contribution was the dollars paid for the hunt. The hunt was the given to the vet. Good for him. The question I put out is real.
Your "concern" over tax laws is duly noted.
Maybe you can turn your grandma in over not filing a 1099 on that sofa she sold on EBay?
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
Take a running leap [bleep]. The IRS has a way with rules that isn’t always moral. The charitable contribution was the dollars paid for the hunt. The hunt was the given to the vet. Good for him. The question I put out is real.
Your "concern" over tax laws is duly noted.
Maybe you can turn your grandma in over not filing a 1099 on that sofa she sold on EBay?
And I always wondered why so many posters treated you like a turd. My bad.
Take a running leap [bleep]. The IRS has a way with rules that isn’t always moral. The charitable contribution was the dollars paid for the hunt. The hunt was the given to the vet. Good for him. The question I put out is real.
Your "concern" over tax laws is duly noted.
Maybe you can turn your grandma in over not filing a 1099 on that sofa she sold on EBay?
And I always wondered why so many posters treated you like a turd. My bad.
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
While its a nice gesture donating the hunt there aint a game animal on the face of the earth that I would consider paying anything remotely close to $300k plus to hunt!!!
But have been to the Henry's in Utah...probably the #2 trophy buck deer unit in Utah
Same with free range Bison......You have to be a young hunter to draw either tag...
Prob takes 18-20+ years unless you're real lucky...
Last mountain range in the lower 48 to be surveyed & mapped
In one of Idaho's best trophy hunts, the drawing odds are 1%. Since there's no point system, a kid or an old fart like me have the same odds of drawing.
[quote=marktheshark]While its a nice gesture donating the hunt there aint a game animal on the face of the earth that I would consider paying anything remotely close to $300k plus to hunt!!![/quote
whats crazier.....spending 300k for a deer hunt.....or the ability to grasp what this is all about....bob
A wealthy guy made a generous charitable donation and gave the spoils of it to someone he deemed worthy. Still, folks want to knock him for what he chooses to do with his money. Unbelievable.
A wealthy guy made a generous charitable donation and gave the spoils of it to someone he deemed worthy. Still, folks want to knock him for what he chooses to do with his money. Unbelievable.
Take a running leap [bleep]. The IRS has a way with rules that isn’t always moral. The charitable contribution was the dollars paid for the hunt. The hunt was the given to the vet. Good for him. The question I put out is real.
Your "concern" over tax laws is duly noted.
Maybe you can turn your grandma in over not filing a 1099 on that sofa she sold on EBay?
And I always wondered why so many posters treated you like a turd. My bad.
My tolerance for bullschiet is pretty low.
Now you know.
Congradulations?
You overvalue yourself. Low grade people tend to do that. But I yield the floor. You’re not worth any more of my time.
If you pay that kind of money for a hunt, you deserve to be scammed.
You have an knack for always taking the dumbschiet view on things.
Congradulations?
The money generated from aution tags goes back into wildlife programs that help all hunters.
That's why hunters with resources spend so much on those auction tags.
Most also stoke their own ego by taking an animal on the tag but it's pretty cool of that guy to give the hunt to the Vet.
Originally Posted by shootem
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
Charitable contribution.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
When I was this thread start, I was gonna try to explain the whole thing to the board morons, but I knew it would be lost on them
Habitat improvement from special tags like this (Governor’s tags as well) is why Utah grows big bulls and bucks
I'd take the 310K in cash and use 10K of it to go hunting several times.
He could have paid $5,000 for 60 wounded veterans to have nice guided hunts.
Then that money would have gone to the outfitters.
He wanted to make a charitable contribution to help wildlife because it's his money.
The guy does a couple of good things and the whiner crew at 24hr CF bitches and whines about how he does the good things.
Why don't you buy just one vet a $5000 hunt if that is what you think is right?
Dumbass, the Donor said he wanted to do something nice for a warrior.
If he just wanted to help wildlife he could have just made a charitable contribution to the states wildlife management team and that way the buck could have drawn more money being hunted by the next highest bidder.
The donor, Mike Schultz, is rumored to have made some backroom land swaps involving the Henefer Echo Wildlife Management Unit owned by the state and his adjacent Sawmill Ranch that benefited his ranch and screwed Utah hunters.
Damn this place is full of stupid mf'ers. Dude does a charity for a veteran and gets knocked for how he spends his money and somehow the eye r ess gets brought up, wtf?
A wealthy guy made a generous charitable donation and gave the spoils of it to someone he deemed worthy. Still, folks want to knock him for what he chooses to do with his money. Unbelievable.
It’s called envy.
I guess that gene skipped me. I’m glad as it isn’t a very good look.
I dont have a dog in this fight but will opine that there isn't a deer on earth worth $300k.
…and another that doesn’t get it
Wrong Moron. I understand the $$$ goes to conservation and habitat. Just saying no deer is worth that much. The guy could make a $300,000 donation every year and not even try for the deer. I am all about supporting conservation and habitat but no deer on its own is worth $300k.
I dont have a dog in this fight but will opine that there isn't a deer on earth worth $300k.
…and another that doesn’t get it
Wrong Moron. I understand the $$$ goes to conservation and habitat. Just saying no deer is worth that much. The guy could make a $300,000 donation every year and not even try for the deer. I am all about supporting conservation and habitat but no deer on its own is worth $300k.
Exactly! But the holier than thou forum phaggs like Burnsie, Camuglia, BobMT etc INSIST that we dont "understand" what its about! If as the buyer said he was trying to do something for a vet, that amount of scratch could have paid for alot more than one guy to go on a hunt!
The donor, Mike Schultz, is rumored to have made some backroom land swaps involving the Henefer Echo Wildlife Management Unit owned by the state and his adjacent Sawmill Ranch that benefited his ranch and screwed Utah hunters.
IF that is the case, I highly suspect SFW is involved somehow, as that seems like the kind of thing they’d be a part of. I don’t trust them, at all. They put on a good show, helping wildlife and hunting as a sport in general, but they’re a snake in the grass.
There's a good many people in this region that spend 10's of thousands of dollars to go shoot at a whitetail deer I wouldn't myself, but I'm not them and they ain't me
The donor, Mike Schultz, is rumored to have made some backroom land swaps involving the Henefer Echo Wildlife Management Unit owned by the state and his adjacent Sawmill Ranch that benefited his ranch and screwed Utah hunters.
IF that is the case, I highly suspect SFW is involved somehow, as that seems like the kind of thing they’d be a part of. I don’t trust them, at all. They put on a good show, helping wildlife and hunting as a sport in general, but they’re a snake in the grass.
IIRC, Our state, TN, got caught trying to make some kind of a honey deal land swap with a big private investor. Chicken schit bastards.
[quote=marktheshark]While its a nice gesture donating the hunt there aint a game animal on the face of the earth that I would consider paying anything remotely close to $300k plus to hunt!!![/quote
whats crazier.....spending 300k for a deer hunt.....or the ability to grasp what this is all about....bob
I dont have a dog in this fight but will opine that there isn't a deer on earth worth $300k.
…and another that doesn’t get it
Wrong Moron. I understand the $$$ goes to conservation and habitat. Just saying no deer is worth that much. The guy could make a $300,000 donation every year and not even try for the deer. I am all about supporting conservation and habitat but no deer on its own is worth $300k.
Somethings worth is determined by what someone will pay for it.So yes that particular deer is worth 300k and probably more to the guy who shot it.
I dont have a dog in this fight but will opine that there isn't a deer on earth worth $300k.
…and another that doesn’t get it
Wrong Moron. I understand the $$$ goes to conservation and habitat. Just saying no deer is worth that much. The guy could make a $300,000 donation every year and not even try for the deer. I am all about supporting conservation and habitat but no deer on its own is worth $300k.
Exactly! But the holier than thou forum phaggs like Burnsie, Camuglia, BobMT etc INSIST that we dont "understand" what its about! If as the buyer said he was trying to do something for a vet, that amount of scratch could have paid for alot more than one guy to go on a hunt!
I dont have a dog in this fight but will opine that there isn't a deer on earth worth $300k.
…and another that doesn’t get it
Wrong Moron. I understand the $$$ goes to conservation and habitat. Just saying no deer is worth that much. The guy could make a $300,000 donation every year and not even try for the deer. I am all about supporting conservation and habitat but no deer on its own is worth $300k.
Exactly! But the holier than thou forum phaggs like Burnsie, Camuglia, BobMT etc INSIST that we dont "understand" what its about! If as the buyer said he was trying to do something for a vet, that amount of scratch could have paid for alot more than one guy to go on a hunt!
fetterman ...fettie as you like to be called .....its not all about the vet...its about the habitat and the vet is just a lucky participant....bob
If you don’t have many many many multiples of $310k you really aren’t qualified to say whether or not you’d spend that on a deer hunt.
I'm with Ralphie on this , those that can, should, those that can't shouldn't be envious... That being said, I am and have always have been an otc public land hunter... but certainly don't resent those that aren't
I might be off base but the issue with judging that kind of money being spent on something like that is that most folks don’t comprehend having that much expendable money. I know I can’t. I doubt that the guy that won the auction was even interested in the hunt. He was looking for a tax deduction. That’s what he got quick and easy. And he chose a deserving disabled vet as the beneficiary to it. Good on him. Congrats to the vet and all that helped pull it off. YMMV
I might be off base but the issue with judging that kind of money being spent on something like that is that most folks don’t comprehend having that much expendable money. I know I can’t. I doubt that the guy that won the auction was even interested in the hunt. He was looking for a tax deduction. That’s what he got quick and easy. And he chose a deserving disabled vet as the beneficiary to it. Good on him. Congrats to the vet and all that helped pull it off. YMMV
The donor, Mike Schultz, is rumored to have made some backroom land swaps involving the Henefer Echo Wildlife Management Unit owned by the state and his adjacent Sawmill Ranch that benefited his ranch and screwed Utah hunters.
IF that is the case, I highly suspect SFW is involved somehow, as that seems like the kind of thing they’d be a part of. I don’t trust them, at all. They put on a good show, helping wildlife and hunting as a sport in general, but they’re a snake in the grass.
Originally Posted by T_Inman
Originally Posted by GeorgeLa
The donor, Mike Schultz, is rumored to have made some backroom land swaps involving the Henefer Echo Wildlife Management Unit owned by the state and his adjacent Sawmill Ranch that benefited his ranch and screwed Utah hunters.
IF that is the case, I highly suspect SFW is involved somehow, as that seems like the kind of thing they’d be a part of. I don’t trust them, at all. They put on a good show, helping wildlife and hunting as a sport in general, but they’re a snake in the grass.
I need to dig for more details. But yeah, Utah DNR surely was involved. And the state legislature as well. Convenient that Mike Schultz is a fairly large land developer AND a state legislator.
Lots of questionable stuff the legislature has done in the name of wildlife. Combining public land into Consolidated Wildlife Management Units (which allows the private landowner to set his own seasons) and screwing hunters out of access to public lands is a big one.
Kind of like when I was drooling over a Holland and Holland double rifle and a coworker asked why in the world anyone would spent that kind of scratch for a gun. I said “you know what I would do if I could afford one”? “What”, he said”. I said “I’d buy a matched pair”.
If you pay that kind of money for a hunt, you deserve to be scammed.
You have an knack for always taking the dumbschiet view on things.
Congradulations?
The money generated from aution tags goes back into wildlife programs that help all hunters.
That's why hunters with resources spend so much on those auction tags.
Most also stoke their own ego by taking an animal on the tag but it's pretty cool of that guy to give the hunt to the Vet.
Originally Posted by shootem
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
Charitable contribution.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
When I was this thread start, I was gonna try to explain the whole thing to the board morons, but I knew it would be lost on them
Habitat improvement from special tags like this (Governor’s tags as well) is why Utah grows big bulls and bucks
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by JeffA
It all depends on how deep your pot of gold might be.
If you pay that kind of money for a hunt, you deserve to be scammed.
You have an knack for always taking the dumbschiet view on things.
Congradulations?
The money generated from aution tags goes back into wildlife programs that help all hunters.
That's why hunters with resources spend so much on those auction tags.
Most also stoke their own ego by taking an animal on the tag but it's pretty cool of that guy to give the hunt to the Vet.
Originally Posted by shootem
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
Charitable contribution.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
When I was this thread start, I was gonna try to explain the whole thing to the board morons, but I knew it would be lost on them
Habitat improvement from special tags like this (Governor’s tags as well) is why Utah grows big bulls and bucks
Issuing fewer licenses than a lot of western states and not having thousands of wolves play much bigger role than GOV tag revenue.
If you pay that kind of money for a hunt, you deserve to be scammed.
You have an knack for always taking the dumbschiet view on things.
Congradulations?
The money generated from aution tags goes back into wildlife programs that help all hunters.
That's why hunters with resources spend so much on those auction tags.
Most also stoke their own ego by taking an animal on the tag but it's pretty cool of that guy to give the hunt to the Vet.
Originally Posted by shootem
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
Charitable contribution.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
When I was this thread start, I was gonna try to explain the whole thing to the board morons, but I knew it would be lost on them
Habitat improvement from special tags like this (Governor’s tags as well) is why Utah grows big bulls and bucks
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by JeffA
It all depends on how deep your pot of gold might be.
If you pay that kind of money for a hunt, you deserve to be scammed.
You have an knack for always taking the dumbschiet view on things.
Congradulations?
The money generated from aution tags goes back into wildlife programs that help all hunters.
That's why hunters with resources spend so much on those auction tags.
Most also stoke their own ego by taking an animal on the tag but it's pretty cool of that guy to give the hunt to the Vet.
Originally Posted by shootem
So does the veteran have to pay the IRS for this windfall he received. All the paper lines up. Documented cost, transfer of wealth, recipient accepted and benefited. ???????
Charitable contribution.
Your interest in making sure the tax laws are followed by a disabled vet is duly noted.
When I was this thread start, I was gonna try to explain the whole thing to the board morons, but I knew it would be lost on them
Habitat improvement from special tags like this (Governor’s tags as well) is why Utah grows big bulls and bucks
Issuing fewer licenses than a lot of western states and not having thousands of wolves play much bigger role than GOV tag revenue.
I dont have a dog in this fight but will opine that there isn't a deer on earth worth $300k.
…and another that doesn’t get it
Wrong Moron. I understand the $$$ goes to conservation and habitat. Just saying no deer is worth that much. The guy could make a $300,000 donation every year and not even try for the deer. I am all about supporting conservation and habitat but no deer on its own is worth $300k.
Exactly! But the holier than thou forum phaggs like Burnsie, Camuglia, BobMT etc INSIST that we dont "understand" what its about! If as the buyer said he was trying to do something for a vet, that amount of scratch could have paid for alot more than one guy to go on a hunt!