I had a thought, is de-fund the police a program to get rid of cops, that for the most part, believe in the Constitution so they can be replaced with Marxists that will obey orders when the time is ripe to disarm us? Consider the damage from what this policy has done there has to be a long term objective in play.

Szumi

I say defund the crooks.

Defund and abolish the police.

All they do is brutalize and murder good folks. The individual is responsible for their own safety.

Plenty of stupid to go around.

Move to a country that is like this, then come back in 5 yrs and tell us all how it worked out.

Articles in the news, citizens in the worst cities want the police around. Just today the news talked about Austin and Baltimore and interviewed a lady from Baltimore, needless to say she wants the police there.

If I was a cop in those cities, I’d hang back, no need to rush for the call. I think stupid should hurt.

Judge Dredd would streamline the judicial system

Sort of.

The "defund" agenda and the "stand down" agenda is designed to piss off those that took the Oath and took it seriously, forcing them to quit or retire. Very similar to what Obama did to the US Military.

Once these "Patriots" are gone and crime is totally out of control, "they" will increase the budget, hire new employees, employees that fall in line with their agenda, having an army of Socialists/Marxists patrolling the streets ready, willing and able to violate your rights without batting an eye.

What a stupid thing to say

From the onset of all of those agendas I have seen that as one component of a general onslaught attempted by the cabal that has been trying to undermine our sustaining values and systems. They knew that any such "defunding" would not happen to any significant degree in the overall, but it would generate news and would rile up some idiots - keep the fire burning. Most here know the several other component actions/agendas.

Obviously, there have been some results - police retiring, quitting the job and moving to a more desirable jurisdiction, etc.. However, I do not see those effects in reaction primarily to the threat of the "defunding" demands, but rather due to the overall mess created by the combo of agendas affecting the legal and enforcement situation.

Edited to note that Steve 4102 addressed a key factor earlier.

Defund the Karens that make everything illegal.

Best idea yet or tie them a street light in Chicago at night.

No.

Defunding was a local government response to Liberals of all colors, though primarily BLM supporter’s calling for an adjustment both in police presence and their tactics dealing with blacks…

Their desire was to see massive budgets cut out of police agencies, especially the ‘action teams’ like Gang Enforcement, Vice, and Fast Response Units that worked the inner city black neighborhoods.

The demand was for the massive cut savings of police to be redistributed to social services that would pay that money into ‘cherry picked’ pet organizations that were allegedly going to help improve quality of life for blacks, and reduce overall feelings of police targeting people of color for criminal activity.

It didn’t work…anywhere. Within 6-7 months of defunding the police agencies. These Liberal governments were attempting to claw back the money cut because crime, especially murder and assaults went through the ceiling.

Unfortunately, hundreds if not thousands of the better cops either retired or quit these defunded police agencies and went to work for other smaller departments or Sheriff departments.

Now, most large metro police agencies need to hire new officers, but the reputation of what these local governments did to their police has left a stench in the air and a lot of new, potential recruits aren’t interested in working for these agencies for fear of no government and District Attorneys supporting their police efforts.

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Not the brightest of ideas.

I would argue that it was sold to naive grassroot lefties in the way that Beave laid forth but that the people doing the selling had more sinister plans such as those described by steve4102

There are a few places that need defunding. There are a few places that need some more help.

I like the idea.

How could that be done?

It’s not an either or proposition. The idea that we have to defund the police makes sense if anyone has tried to affect change with their local “law enforcement”. They (police departments) absolutely will NOT entertain any suggestions from the people they serve to better improve their “services”. They vigorously resist any attempts by those that employ them to submit to citizen oversight or increased accountability. They continuously exempt themselves from the laws they endorse and they hold themselves ABOVE the law. The paradigm shift that we’re now dealing with has the cops acting like we work for them and WE have absolutely NO input on their conduct. Big city departments are hotbeds of political activism with activists masquerading as cops while pushing their political agendas while they’re on duty. The faqqots, lesbians, illiterate minorities and recovering lifelong dorks are the bulk of city “cops”. Those losers, by virtue of their job title, are actively “getting even” with white people by unequal and often illegal application of the law.

I’ve been saying for more than 20 years that we need a top to bottom overhaul of the abortion that we call “law enforcement” or “criminal justice”. The us versus them attitude that they’ve perpetuated has backfired on “them”. The reality is that WE don’t NEED them….they NEED us if they want to keep cashing their paychecks.

If those bastards don’t want to listen to the people that employ them and pay their salaries, if those bastards want to keep looking down on us because we don’t have badges to hide our bad behavior behind then I couldn’t care less what happens to them. If they want to run roughshod over us and our Constitutional rights then they are destructive to our domestic tranquility, they are not keeping the PEACE, they no longer SERVE and PROTECT. They’re quite efficient at tazing, handcuffing and pepper spraying parents in a school parking lot while the parents standby helplessly as their children are being murdered. The cops were such cowards in Uvalde that they themselves aided and abetted the murderer through their cowardly inaction against the murderer and their abusive detainment of the parents…..is that the type of dogshit departments that we really need to fund? When they’re really needed they’re too frightened to do anything but God forbid you don’t wear a mask in the Walmart or you attend church when they tell you that you aren’t allowed to go to church. The cops have become less concerned with upholding their oath to the Constitution and more concerned with carrying out the political agenda of anti-American politicians.

So…yeah…if they are not interested in improving then sh.itcan all their asses. The decent ones can be rehired down the road once this bullshit is figured out once and for all!

Ya bastards! All of'em! Kid murderers too!

Oh don't be such a baby.

Seems like everyone has forgotten that speech Obama made talking about needing a private police/military force just as well equipped and well funded as the military and police are. They've been setting up these dominos for a long time.

That's what we need though. We need a Federal police force. That's the only way there will be oversight, reform, and accountability.

Abolish local police and start over!

Yeah because the FBI and ATF are so well managed and utilized.....facepalm.

Exactly!

Oh, you're a troll. Got it.

The fbi is the premier law enforcement agency in the world, sir!

I say give the leftists what they want. Defund the police in every city that voted for Biden.

Every county also, for that matter.

A lot of people are going to have to experience the leftist utopia to get their brains deschitted.

We don't need to see Stalinist Russia 2.0 to know how that ends.

Well YOU don’t, and I don’t, but it seems hard to deny that people in big cities need to see more clearly the consequences of their votes

If there are no cops or investigators there will be no one to investigate voter fraud. Pretty much all of the above except just to violate peoples Constitutional rights. At least for now. Sooner than later there will be no conservative Supreme Court members and they will have a complete re writing of what is "Constitutional". Then they will get "officers" (union thugs) that will do the political left's bidding. But, the political left needs complete control of the voting process to get the right justices. The last thing they want is some honest rogue cop or investigator screwing it up for them. That is not a chance they want to take.

kwg

According to jackson, The fbi is the premier law enforcement agency in the world, sir!

Obviously he is not paying attention to what's going on. FBI admin is nothing more than a bunch of liars and that's come out in the congressional hearings.

I guess Biden to you is the best thing to happen to this country.

The Addled have the Steering Wheel..

You make the Hard Choice do nothing and Jungle Book or as our Old Friend Baghdad Bob would say ..

Death to America ..


You can’t Hide ..

The Insane Clown Posse Cum’n for what they don’t have Now ..

Yes. It's what tyrannical regimes have always done.

Bullish;t!!!

You don't let a child play with matches just to teach them how dangerous fire can be.

While i agree with alot of this, defunding cant be the answer. Imagine america with no police force for just a sec. No way that works anywhere

So you don’t see the difference between adult voters and children?

Hmmmm…. Paternalism isn’t a Conservative trait, hint…

It won't cause them to look like Russia. It will be Haiti circa 1791.

There are multiple sides to the push.

Those who live in Schmidt holes and feel the police have mistreated them.

Stop and frisk works.
But what is the percentage of stops to arrests?
How many are frisked that aren't bad.
How long would it take for anyone to build resentment if it was happening to you?

I'm a bit of an independent a-hole. One stop for a paper work check was all it took
to set me off. To the point I have actually sought one out, to let them see me turn around and then chase me. They had left, fortunately.


Another side to it is more sinister.
It's the legal reform, funding elections for DAs that won't prosecute.
Why do they care about a DA in some city of 30k?

Civil unrest.
Black vs White
Alphabet soup creatures.
Increasing the welfare class
Attacking the Church, and/or the basic principles taught there that allow humans to
live together peacefully.



It is almost impossible to establish a communist/socialist government in a peaceful,
prosperous society. We have been trending that way for decades,they have been
working it for almost a century. The point has come to make the final push.

Poor, cold, hungry, scared?
"We can give you a utopia where you are equal to Bill Gates)