Well............

I have some old milsurps that when de-coppered/fouled I need to shoot half dozen or so shots to fill in potholes before usual accuracy resumes.

Other rifles I'll remove copper/fouling from time to time so gun shoots better.

Ive concerns that copper left in barrel has potentially corrosive fouling under copper that will pit bbl.

The guy can do as he wants, I'll do as I do.

Those gun patches aren't coming out blue/green for no reason.

I think the guy believes that we shoot rifles with "smart" barrels.

The bbl knows when to stop stripping bullet jacket material from bullet when striations? <tool surface damage and bore roughness> are filled in.

Did that paint ever dry?

I would like to know what is the metalergic makeup of copper jackets

Norm

Really?

This video proves that any idiot can make a video, whether or not he knows of what he speaks.

Anyone who shoots extensive amounts of ammo knows that barrels puke at some point due to copper fouling.

Sometimes it takes 50 rounds to severely foul a barrel. Sometimes it takes 500.

And he certainly knows nothing of the chemistry of barrel cleaning. He is surprised when ammonia eats a bronze brush?????

The only thing he says which is close to accurate, is that many barrels will shoot better fouled than when stripped to bare steel. My old 06 from forty years ago always threw the first shot from a clean bore. Clean it, fire two, go hunting!

Generally 95% copper, 5% zinc.

Swift A-Frames are pure copper jacket. But that is an exception.

He has a whole string of videos and I've learned some things I hadn't known before. Don't count him out just for this ridicules concept.

But yeah, he's full of shiit on this one.

I think, he's mostly full off himself.

I've stumbled on his videos a few times. I can't listen to him for more than a minute or so before he gets on my nerves.

Him and "The Real Gunsmith" are two peas in a pod.

This video seems to be making the rounds lately on the gun forums. Believe what you will.

As a joke??????

I have known this for years.

Old shooters are pretty smart.

One can clean a bore.... or one an remove ALL copper fouling and open up the pits and holes in bore and encourage more corrosion with the

harsh bore cleaner.



Get a bore light and learn something !!!!!

How many rounds does it take before there is so much copper (not carbon) layered in the barrel that a bullet can no longer travel through the restricted bore diameter and the gun explodes? A thousand? 5 million? Never?

I think this guy smoked too much dope in the 60s, maybe even took some mind altering drugs.

The real gem, at 6:01, you can't have a smooth barrel unless it is cold hammer-forged. Whenever you talk in absolutes, you open yourself up for real trouble. Calling copper fouling a *LIE* is a big mistake. In fact, anybody that would post this video thinking they are doing the shooting world a solid is myopic at best. He's discredited himself. But did he ever have credibility? Listening to him is like watching paint dry and he obviously loves the sound of his own voice.

His conclusion is simply wrong. A better conclusion would be "for my relatively low standards for precision, I can't shoot well enough with my rifle for copper fouling to be the limiting factor". For the old man shooting 1-2 MOA with a pencil barrel firing ten or twenty rounds a year, copper doesn't matter to him much.

For the PRS shooter, the Benchrest shooter, the F-Class shooter, or the heavy varmint hunter, copper fouling is a very real and very detrimental thing. Any idiot with a bore scope should be able to figure that part out.

Well, that's 14 minutes of my life I will never get back.

Complete waste of bandwidth.

Hope nobody is paying this guy.

What’s the best way to season my cast iron skillet?
…oops, sorry, wrong thread

Yeah……. That’s gotta be it.

No, his problem is, he vastly over-estimates the value of his opinions and the rest of the planet's interest in them.

This is the same ignorant dude who claimed he got lead poisoning while working in an indoor shooting range and it was all because of people shooting lead bullets. He was completely unaware his problems came from the lead styphnate in the primer and the piss poor ventilation in the range. Tune this dude out.

Other than the fact that I've cleaned a lot of it out of my rifles his example of the military not addressing copper fouling if in fact they don't doesn't take in to account the purpose of general issue military rifles. They're for shooting people and putting a lot of bullets toward them fast. They're not for shooting targets or varmints.

Get a bore scope and learn much more.

Smokepole,

I think you nailed it.

He's a legend in his own mind....

Idaho [bleep]

You have not learned a thing . I doubt you have a borescope !!

cisco is stupid

YouTube apparently is because he has 160,000 idiots following him.

Back in the 60's I basically shot out the barrel of my .243 at around 2300 rounds.. Oh yeah, it would tighten up to around 2 in groups after firing a few rounds through the scrubbed barrel. But the main reason the barrel went was because I didn't keep it clean in the first place

Aren’t most military rifle bbls chrome lined to mitigate all fouling and wear??

To be honest, I wouldn't expect more than 2300 rounds on a .243 Winchester anyway. I've seen them go faster than that.

I have a Bore Scope. This rifle is a tang safety Ruger Varmint and is flawless on the outside, positively pristine. A bore light shows a nice shiny bore. A Bore Scope tells a different story.

Copper-fouling is “A Thing”. The bbl pictured is now destined for tomato stake duty.

Interesting question. Assuming that could actually happen, I’d expect pressure to damage the gun before it actually did happen. If it can’t happen, then there is obviously a point where the copper fouling stops.

Long winded babbling old goat doesn't know half what he thinks he does.

It can’t happen. He uses the drywall analogy to explain this.

As a matter of fact. I bought a Teslong shortly after introduction to the shooting community, several years ago. Very educational.

And yes, I have seen a couple of my own rifles lose accuracy due to copper fouling. A 264 Win got to the point the first three would still print under an inch. But #9 through 12 would go into five inches. A new barrel from PacNor restored the accuracy the rifle had when factory new.

Of course that was after 2500 rounds down the barrel.

Another was a 340 Wea purchased used with an unknown round count. Absolutely abysmal accuracy. Shoot ten rounds, and spend an hour with Sweets getting the Copper out again. PacNor cured that one too.

The guy in the OP video reminds me of my Dad. Very experienced hunter. Killed a bunch of game every year with his Remington 760 in 30-06. But did not really know crap about ballistics or rifle performance.

He loved his 30-06 with factory loads but despised the 308 for its short range and inefficiency.

He criticized my purchase of a 25-06, and my buddy's 270. "Because they are so fast the bullet will just pencil through without time to expand."

Like the OP, Dad was blissfully unaware of what he did not know. But what he thought he knew, he knew for certain fact.

I'm not too anal about cleaning a bore. I AM anal about accuracy.

I'll shoot my rifles until I notice accuracy dropping off, then I'll scrub the bore really well with a good solvent until I get clean patches.

Mostly I'm removing the carbon buildup, but I'm also removing copper in the process. I figure that's good enough, and my rifles go back to the accuracy I'm accustomed to.

Some people play chess when the game is really checkers. If your bore is dirty, it's carbon and copper. Clean it. Shoot some more...

On the flip side, if you never let your bore get heavily fouled, it is very easy and quick to clean with no scrubbing required.

He's a good example of a mansplainer.


Mansplaining is a pejorative term meaning (of a man) "to comment on or explain something to a woman in a condescending, overconfident, and often inaccurate or oversimplified manner". Author Rebecca Solnit ascribed the phenomenon to a combination of "overconfidence and cluelessness". Lily Rothman, of The Atlantic, defined it as "explaining without regard to the fact that the explainee knows more than the explainer, often done by a man to a woman".

In its original use, mansplaining differed from other forms of condescension in that it was said to be rooted in the assumption that a man is likely to be more knowledgeable than a woman. However, it has come to be used more broadly, often applied when a man takes a condescending tone in an explanation to anyone, regardless of the age or gender of the intended recipients: a "man 'splaining" can be delivered to any audience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansplaining

CLP is marginally effective?

How about this guy. “I clean my barrel after 15 rounds”
Another innanet guru. LOL

This guy is right, to a point. A little copper smeared over barrel steel can tighten up groups. His blanket statement is the problem. I have a rifle I worked up loads for and shot it quite a lot before I did a deep cleaning with copper solvent. It would shoot 1/2 inch at 100 yards with my load. After I cleaned 90% of the copper from the bore, the groups opened up to 1 1/2 inches, and took 20 or 30 shots before they started to tighten up. BUT.....There is such a thing as copper fouling and can do the opposite. I have a couple milsurp Rifles with so much copper fouling that I still can't get it all out after 10 attempts. They got better after I cleaned them, so I let well enough alone. The key to this is "how much is too much?".... every rifle is different and has a different history..

Just because your old doesn't mean you are right.
This vid is a prime example of it in many areas.
Dude thinks he is the ultimate know all..




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Idaho ,

You are plenty good at barrel changing..................cleaning, well not so good.

Exactly, how many rounds of 220 swift, or 257 Wea, or 264 Win mag, or 340 Wea do you imagine a guy can put through a barrel before it needs replacing?

Ever heard of "alligator skin"? Ever seen it through a bore scope?

Get back to us after you have worn out a barrel or two.

Apparently you don't even shoot enough that you have ever seen a barrel puke from copper fouling, nor seen accuracy restored after copper removal.

As a bore cleaner? Yes. About the same as Hoppe's 9.

I have both on the shelf for occasional use. And often use either as a final wipe after cleaning with an actual copper remover, then a wash with Birchwood Casey's Gun Scrubber.

Hoppe's or CLP are great for barrels which do not break 2400 FPS. For those shooting over 3400 fps, not so much.

I wonder what the guy in the OP would say about JB bore paste? "Oh the horror"!

I started loading for my Sako, 26" bbl .264 in 1970 . I loaded 140 Gr Nosler partitions....for a hunt in the Yukon.

I loaded 1-1/2 - 2 grains IMR 3450??? past max . That is where she shot the best. That is my hunting load . Now I shot a lot at lesser velocities

...to find the best load. Old equipment.... mounted a 2.5 X 8 B&L scope in Kuharsky mounts. Killed Fannin Sheep , Moose , Caribou on that hunt

Grizz too. Killed a few deer also. Bore is still good . That scope and mount is still being used today on a Sako .300 H&H.

I have , I am sure, many more rifles than you....and a little bit of experience.

I have used Pacnor BBLS on custom rifles never shot one out, with the exception, of Marlin Sakos chambered in .222.....the micro-grove rifling

was replaced with Harry McGowen BBLs. I bought several Marlins cheap as I knew the BBls were junk.

I don't ruin BBLs by cleaning.

Now piss around all you want..... I am done.

Adios

Barrel cleaning is much like stock finishing, everyone's got their own method and thinks theirs is the best. There'll never be agreement on either subject. Gotta go pop another batch of popcorn, y'all take care now.

I am a believer in a thorough cleaning pretty much after every use on all my guns except one.

The only gun that I never clean the copper fouling is my trusty 702 plinkster. I have probably about 3000-4000 rounds through this gun and never have done a deep cleaning what so ever, and day before yesterday I shot the head off of a dove that was sitting on a branch 35-40yds away with Winchester bulk ammo.

Possibly IMR 4350?!

Some day you might try Magnum, IMR 7828, Retumbo, H 1000, RL 25, 26, or 33, or Mag Pro in that 264. Any of which is much better suited to the case capacity of the 264, especially with 140 gr bullets. The 140 partition being the worst of the bunch for creating over pressure situations.

I like Magnum with the 130 gr accubond at 3300 fps

Like you, I have never damaged a barrel by cleaning it.

It matters little what one has killed or how many. What matters is the shooting.

5 years to put 2500 rounds through the 264, ten years for the 7 STW. Like you, I have never damaged a barrel by cleaning it. I have shot out a few. Cleaning does not create scorched throats, eroded lands, extended freebore, and alligator skin.

Why do shooters lengthen COAL over time "Chasing the lands"?