158 Years Ago Today - 24hourcampfire

April 10, 1865: General Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to General Ulysses S. Grant, effectively ending the Civil War.

It ain’t today yet.

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158 years ago.....

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

It ain’t today yet.

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Please see the thread about TN and time zones.

It's "today" somewhere..........just like 5 O'clock.

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

It ain’t today yet.
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Originally Posted by Brazos

158 years ago.....

not everyone is a math scholar or can read time, like all ya'll... this is the campfire, where even the smooth brains get to talk.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

April 10, 1865: General Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to General Ulysses S. Grant, effectively ending the “War of Northern aggression “.

Fify….

Wasn't a damn thing 'civil' about it!!

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April 10th has a a lot of meaning for me, mother passed and cousin was killed in Vietnam , didn’t know about day of surrender.

It weren’t today yet for me.

Now it is.

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Lee surrendered but there are a lot of rebels still out there which we need to be thankful for as you know the war of northern aggression is resuming..mb

Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob

Lee surrendered but there are a lot of rebels still out there which we need to be thankful for as you know the war of northern aggression is resuming..mb

Sure, and lots of slaves and slave owners around…

"damyankee" is still one word. Two of my cousins walked 40 miles to enlist in the Army of Tennessee. At least one of them survived the war. I found his name in the Dickson county property tax records from the 1890's. My great grandmother lived in Nashville during "reconstruction" and told me about the atrocities the soldiers from Ft. Negley committed during their occupation.

Originally Posted by Brazos

158 years ago.....

You're right. I'll edit it.

Lee said “I would rather die a thousand deaths”

The biggest Confederate army under Johnston surrendered later near Durham, NC. Since Lincoln was killed it had to be unconditional. Bad news for the South. Inexplicably Johnston became fast friends with Sherman and died a few days after him from getting ill in the rain at Sherman's funeral. Lee was an old idiot elite planter with zero strategy for outlasting Yankee aggression. He didn't have to win. Not losing would have been easy.

If wouldn’t have Fired General Flynn History would have been Much Much Different..

Ole Johnny Reb still doesn't get that he lost that war.

Originally Posted by GunGeek

Ole Johnny Reb still doesn't get that he lost that war.

You got somethin against us Johnny’s

Originally Posted by Angus55

April 10th has a a lot of meaning for me, mother passed and cousin was killed in Vietnam , didn’t know about day of surrender.

A sad day in our history.

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

It ain’t today yet.

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Typical leftist, never let the details get in the way of a narrative and look to divide along gender or racial lines at every opportunity.

Nothing civil about it.

Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

It ain’t today yet.

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Typical leftist, never let the details get in the way of a narrative and look to divide along gender or racial lines at every opportunity.

Typical leftist, jumping to conclusions about other people, making false accusations, and showing his ass in the process.

Plus, too uptight to have a sense of humor.

Easy there, Karen.

Might be time to pick up your kids from the Montessori school.

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Originally Posted by Pharmseller

Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

It ain’t today yet.

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Typical leftist, never let the details get in the way of a narrative and look to divide along gender or racial lines at every opportunity.

Typical leftist, jumping to conclusions about other people, making false accusations, and showing his ass in the process.

Plus, too uptight to have a sense of humor.

Easy there, Karen.

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I could have been more articulate but I wasn’t talking about you..

When you quote a fella and make a statement, logic suggests you’re talking about that fella.

Keep in mind that, to the OP, it was today.

It just wasn’t today to me.

If I owe you an apology please consider such as extended.

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Lee signed some papers but the spirit still lives monuments be gone or not

Originally Posted by slowmover12

A sad day in our history.

Extremely sad day.

If the South had won, how long would slavery have persisted?

I know, it wasn’t about slavery, but answer the question.

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Originally Posted by earlybrd

Lee signed some papers but the spirit still lives monuments be gone or not

honest question.....the spirit of what?....are the bad feelings/blood still prevalent today with the majority or just a few...bob

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

If the South had won, how long would slavery have persisted?

I know, it wasn’t about slavery, but answer the question.

Not much longer. Mechanization was on the way. Plantation slavery was inefficient and costly. Maintaining an army, or barn full, of expensive farm animals required a lot of money and effort. No disrespect, but the reality of the matter was economic. It made those people valuable as chattel. They were cared for accordingly. $700 to $1,000 or more per head just to purchase in dollars of the day, not adjusted for inflation. Lincoln's war destroyed the plantation system depriving the South, and former slaves, a peaceful, humane transition. It is unpopular to consider respectful, even warm bonds of familial affection between the "owners" and the "owned" existed, but it was a mutual engagement of give and take to produce livelihood for both parties. The war destroyed the engine of commerce, the know how and sharing that left devastation and resentment that bred hatred and poverty right up until now.

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Originally Posted by Pharmseller

If the South had won, how long would slavery have persisted?

I know, it wasn’t about slavery, but answer the question.

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I had a great 8th grade history teacher, Coach Campbell. He taught our class like a college course. You took notes, you did not use the book much. He taught us one of the sad things about the civil war was that it would not have been too many years when slavery would cost as much or more than hiring people. Which is how agriculture was conducted for many years after the war. Slavery would have became economically unfeasible as well as morally unexceptible. Less than a hundred years later mechanical devices like cotton pickers put a lot of people out of that type of work.

Even without all the theories I think there could have been a negotiated ending to slavery without the resorting to civil war if that was really what the federals really wanted.

You fellas need to take in consideration the devastating impact of the Boll Weevil on the cotton industry! The weevil all but collapsed c production as it marched across the cotton belt putting hundreds of thousands of laborers and farmers out of work. This as much or more than mechanization pushed large populations north and west. You can follow my family as they move across the South to Texas trying to escape the weevil.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

April 10, 1865: General Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to General Ulysses S. Grant, effectively ending the Civil War.

Actually, General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox Courthouse, Virginia on Sunday, April 9th, 1865, not April 10th. This was not the end of the war as Lee only surrendered his immediate command, not the entire Confederate military. Having said that, it was the major Confederate army in the east and without it there was little hope of the Confederacy surviving. The last Confederate military department, the Trans-Mississippi Department was surrendered at Galveston, Texas on 02 June 1865 (negotiated at New Orleans 26 May, but not signed until 02 June by Lt. Gen. Edmund Kirby-Smith at Galveston).