Iranian submarine 'forces' the USS Florida to the surface, from the Daily Wire this morning. So how does that work? I know nothing of naval matters, but there is a clear pattern here ever since the USS Pueblo....incident after incident, the Navy seems to capitulate to aggressive foreign actors. A few years ago a Navy armed patrol boat surrendered and were boarded by ragheads in armed water ski boats...for the world to see. A Navy surveillance plane was 'forced' to land on a Chinese base. The USS Cole is a coin toss, but the fact remains, a Zodiac took a US warship off the board for 2 years. Just a few examples of many, but it seems there is a pattern here.
Real war is scary. Endless training is easier.
Iranian submarine 'forces' the USS Florida to the surface, from the Daily Wire this morning. So how does that work? I know nothing of naval matters, but there is a clear pattern here ever since the USS Pueblo....incident after incident, the Navy seems to capitulate to aggressive foreign actors. A few years ago a Navy armed patrol boat surrendered and were boarded by ragheads in armed water ski boats...for the world to see. A Navy surveillance plane was 'forced' to land on a Chinese base. The USS Cole is a coin toss, but the fact remains, a Zodiac took a US warship off the board for 2 years. Just a few examples of many, but it seems there is a pattern here.
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The Navy, just like other forces will fight if they are permitted to.
All the armed forces have been seriously degraded.
Take into account the senior commanders and the CIC.
I don't pretend to know anything about strategy and tactics, but take for instance that surveillance plane...that plane HAS to be a treasure trove of electronic secrets, so you just land it on a Chinese airfield? Nobody is asking the crew to start shooting, they weren't equipped or trained for that...but rather than land the aircraft intact on an enemy field...couldn't they bail out and let the plane fall into the sea or something to deny the Chinese the ability to study our technology?
Unless...somebody really really smart wanted the Chinese to study the plane's gear?
You mean, like any of Houston_2, Plumdumbs or Lostinhells buds In the WH?
I don't pretend to know anything about strategy and tactics, but take for instance that surveillance plane...that plane HAS to be a treasure trove of electronic secrets, so you just land it on a Chinese airfield? Nobody is asking the crew to start shooting, they weren't equipped or trained for that...but rather than land the aircraft intact on an enemy field...couldn't they bail out and let the plane fall into the sea or something to deny the Chinese the ability to study our technology?
Unless...somebody really really smart wanted the Chinese to study the plane's gear?
Biden got paid to land the plane in China.
It will be interesting to see how trannies and women react to combat stress. I’m not saying they’ll fail, I’m just pointing out that its something we’ve never really tried before. We already had a destroyer involved in a collision because two women junior officers were in a cat fight and basically weren’t speaking. Will one get sunk by a Chinese missile at some point for similar reasons?
It will be interesting to see how trannies and women react to combat stress. I’m not saying they’ll fail, I’m just pointing out that its something we’ve never really tried before. We already had a destroyer involved in a collision because two women junior officers were in a cat fight and basically weren’t speaking. Will one get sunk by a Chinese missile at some point for similar reasons?
I haven't heard about this. Link, please?
There is no question that we are a much weaker nation than we were 30 years ago but that’s ultimately what happens when an empire spreads itself too thin!
We are trying to project power into every corner of the world while we’re unable to successfully protect our own country from foreign invaders. We project power but it’s an act anymore…
Yes, swabbies will fight- - - - -but they'll probably be fighting each other over who gets to pork the fat boy who drops the soap in the shower!
It will be interesting to see how trannies and women react to combat stress. I’m not saying they’ll fail, I’m just pointing out that its something we’ve never really tried before. We already had a destroyer involved in a collision because two women junior officers were in a cat fight and basically weren’t speaking. Will one get sunk by a Chinese missile at some point for similar reasons?
I haven't heard about this. Link, please?
Neither of those discuss a pi$$ing match between female sailors - that's what I was asking about.
They will probably have to have an inclusivity parade first!
I hope our carriers are as invulnerable as I’ve been told.
Hell, any American military with a trigger needs permission. They have a phone attached to the trigger with a higher up on the other end.
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
The strength of a Nation is equal to its strength of character plus its resolve.
We know well the history of fallen “empires”and thought the USA was never an Empire we once had the strength of an Empire. We do no longer.
Neither of those discuss a pi$$ing match between female sailors - that's what I was asking about.
npr or wiki isn't going to explain it that way... but I recall reading a report that basically said the same thing that JoeBob and MontanaMarine mentioned. It's probably scrubbed off the internet now, but I think it was the First Officer and the Deck Watch, or whatever, both female...were later found to be sleeping with another senior male officer on the ship at the time, and refused to interact with each other.
Neither of those discuss a pi$$ing match between female sailors - that's what I was asking about.
npr or wiki isn't going to explain it that way... but I recall reading a report that basically said the same thing that JoeBob and MontanaMarine mentioned. It's probably scrubbed off the internet now, but I think it was the First Officer and the Deck Watch, or whatever, both female...were later found to be sleeping with another senior male officer on the ship at the time, and refused to interact with each other.
Gotcha. Thanks
Yes, swabbies will fight- - - - -but they'll probably be fighting each other over who gets to pork the fat boy who drops the soap in the shower!
I bet you advised D Eisenhower on military strategies, tell us about it.
They'll fight when the time comes... No way out at sea, no choice!
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Thanks Chief, for that very simple explanation...and those 25 years you gave us.
You mean, like any of Houston_2, Plumdumbs or Lostinhells buds In the WH?
Q predicted this.
You mean, like any of Houston_2, Plumdumbs or Lostinhells buds In the WH?
Q predicted this.
Agreed
Yes, swabbies will fight- - - - -but they'll probably be fighting each other over who gets to pork the fat boy who drops the soap in the shower!
My time in the Navy - I only know of 4 people that got caught doing homosexual acts in a hope of getting kicked out. This was during Don't Ask/Don't Tell.
Those 4 were all US Marines and it also happened just after we invaded Iraq. They were Farsi linguist students worried about fighting.
The only person here shoving anything up their ass - seems to be you, most repeatedly.
the story may, or may not be true. The one thing that is certain is the biden administration for the first time, told the world where a boomer was going to operate. Treason? I'd say so.
You have no idea what you are suggesting. I was on one of the ships in the group that left the Tonkin Gulf to go get the Pueblo when the Norks grabbed it. I can assure you that the group left expecting to go to war with them and not in a small way. The first thing I did was read as much of the communications as we had, and the was nothing about making a show. We went locked and loaded with enough firepower in the group assembled in a few hours to turn South Korea into an island if necessary.
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Dang, MAC! If you'd only had one more year!
Thanks for all that service.
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Well said Chief! 👍
Amazing. I recall the incident and was struck then that even at night and or bad weather an elite navy ship could let itself be contacted by a ship triple its size?
The amazing part is letters of censure? 7 sailors dead and that’s the end of the consequence? For this inept stupidity? Prayers to the families of the 7.
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The Navy will fight when the time comes.
It's sink or swim.
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You have no idea what you are suggesting. I was on one of the ships in the group that left the Tonkin Gulf to go get the Pueblo when the Norks grabbed it. I can assure you that the group left expecting to go to war with them and not in a small way. The first thing I did was read as much of the communications as we had, and the was nothing about making a show. We went locked and loaded with enough firepower in the group assembled in a few hours to turn South Korea into an island if necessary.
Nothing personal here at all, swabs will fight...with leadership. But the inescapable conclusion, after steaming 2,000 nm your task force did NOT get the Pueblo....it is a museum in North Korea to this day. You may have been locked and loaded with mucho firepower and deadly intentions, but like the Pueblo, your task force did not fire a shot. The only battle the USN has had since ww2, that I am aware of, in 1988 the Simpson fired 4 missiles into an Iranian gunboat.
You have no idea what you are suggesting. I was on one of the ships in the group that left the Tonkin Gulf to go get the Pueblo when the Norks grabbed it. I can assure you that the group left expecting to go to war with them and not in a small way. The first thing I did was read as much of the communications as we had, and the was nothing about making a show. We went locked and loaded with enough firepower in the group assembled in a few hours to turn South Korea into an island if necessary.
Nothing personal here at all, swabs will fight...with leadership. But the inescapable conclusion, after steaming 2,000 nm your task force did NOT get the Pueblo....it is a museum in North Korea to this day. You may have been locked and loaded with mucho firepower and deadly intentions, but like the Pueblo, your task force did not fire a shot. The only battle the USN has had since ww2, that I am aware of, in 1988 the Simpson fired 4 missiles into an Iranian gunboat.
The USN had a very active role in both the Korean War and the Taiwan Strait Crisis x2 shortly after the Korean War. And again in the Vietnam War, both offshore and running gunships inland up riverways.
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Okay then why would we put a US submarine in such a vulnerable position?
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AxRWb2jE...1e3A/s1600/Strait_of_Ormuz_GeoGarage.png
MOGC...The brown water navy in Nam were bad ass warriors (not Kerry) to the core ...NOBODY would suggest otherwise. I'm no naval historian but using the internet as a source, no matter how you phrase the search terms, the blue water Navy, with the exception of the Simpson noted above, has not been in action since ww2. Delivering naval artillery barrages from offshore does not really meet the definition of battle...where the protagonists are shooting at each other. Yes, the Navy has been in some high tension trouble spots around the world...but not in a battle.
Did not our USN sailors disable ships to the point they could not leave California and proceed with their orders to go to Vietnam? As in serious sabotage?
This could all be Avoided if we just stop trading with China..
Estimates say the Chinese Economy would last 4 Weeks..
Funny How Nobody has ventured the idea with the Dragon Breathing on our Fleet ..
Sure it wouldn’t be Fun but losing the Fleet and the Prestige Associated with that would be the End of the American Experience..
We ain’t going Hot with Them ..
Did not our USN sailors disable ships to the point they could not leave California and proceed with their orders to go to Vietnam? As in serious sabotage?
Yes, and thousands of sailors signed anti deployment pledges (thousands more did not) in the early 70's, Coral Sea, Kitty Hawk, Constellation and of course the famous 'million dollar paint scraper' in the reduction gears of the Enterprise. By any other name it would have been a mass mutiny. It turns out (speaking as a vet) the war was a sham and a waste...but, they did take the oath of enlistment...and later broke it.
Nothing personal here at all, swabs will fight...with leadership. But the inescapable conclusion, after steaming 2,000 nm your task force did NOT get the Pueblo....it is a museum in North Korea to this day. You may have been locked and loaded with mucho firepower and deadly intentions, but like the Pueblo, your task force did not fire a shot. The only battle the USN has had since ww2, that I am aware of, in 1988 the Simpson fired 4 missiles into an Iranian gunboat.
The decision not to start WWIII was made by LBJ. He gave them a WWII piece of junk and some crypto gear that was of no use to them or anyone else in exchange for return of the crew. The value of the bargain to either side is debatable. At the time, I was also serving on a WWII piece of junk. It was of virtually no worth. It's main value was that it had been overhauled to manage a little more speed for the express purpose of keeping up with the Enterprise during flight ops. As was demonstrated, when the Pueblo was grabbed, the only thing that could stay with the Enterprise was 4 of it's most important assets for protection.
re the Florida. Those subs are a lot bigger then you suspect and the gulf is particularly shallow there. SSGN boats are often used in a manner that puts them on display like the SSNs as opposed to SSBNs. The Red Sea has little deep water and that's why the SSGNs there and are on the surface there transiting shallow waters. I have participated in a number of ASW tests and you may be assured that any nuke boat is more than capable of remaining undetected if it chooses to. Something as trivial as a gunboat is not going to make one do anything is chooses not to. There is a reason why the bulk of our nuclear deterrence is vested in those boats and will remain so until someone demonstrates that they can find and track them. Just like the Navy is an integrated force that is designed to designate specific units to specific tasks, it is also integrated to the tasks of the other branches.
How the civilian leadership chooses to use it is a wholly separate concept.
The strength of a Nation is equal to its strength of character plus its resolve.
We know well the history of fallen “empires”and thought the USA was never an Empire we once had the strength of an Empire. We do no longer.
Well said. The OP is just BS. But what do I know. I only served 24 years. Last duty station was TRF Banger.
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How many times have our elected officials sent troops to an area as a show of force and then tied their hands behind their backs with excessive rules of engagement?
Dumb question...
They'll kick aaassss and take no prisoners...
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Okay then why would we put a US submarine in such a vulnerable position?
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AxRWb2jE...1e3A/s1600/Strait_of_Ormuz_GeoGarage.pngYou don't know a damn thing about naval warfare or anything else. The USN sends vessels into every area of international waters and the Gulf is international waters. I swear I have come across morons in my day but you take the cake.
MOGC...The brown water navy in Nam were bad ass warriors (not Kerry) to the core ...NOBODY would suggest otherwise. I'm no naval historian but using the internet as a source, no matter how you phrase the search terms, the blue water Navy, with the exception of the Simpson noted above, has not been in action since ww2. Delivering naval artillery barrages from offshore does not really meet the definition of battle...where the protagonists are shooting at each other. Yes, the Navy has been in some high tension trouble spots around the world...but not in a battle.
Wow. Question, are you aware of another Navy that wants to challenge or bang heads with the US Navy? Has there been a willing country that wanted to test our Navy? No there hasn't. Our Navy is quite capable. All the antennas, radars and launchers on our ships actually work unlike say...Russia. Their stuff is just for show, it doesn't work. They have radars that don't emit a danged thing. You know why? Because there aren't even cables or wave guides running to them.
Of course our Navy will fight. It is all too much like a video game for them not too. Pretty sure our BMD's are the only ships that can shoot ICBM's and satellites...in space.
MOGC...The brown water navy in Nam were bad ass warriors (not Kerry) to the core ...NOBODY would suggest otherwise. I'm no naval historian but using the internet as a source, no matter how you phrase the search terms, the blue water Navy, with the exception of the Simpson noted above, has not been in action since ww2. Delivering naval artillery barrages from offshore does not really meet the definition of battle...where the protagonists are shooting at each other. Yes, the Navy has been in some high tension trouble spots around the world...but not in a battle.
Wow. Question, are you aware of another Navy that wants to challenge or bang heads with the US Navy? Has there been a willing country that wanted to test our Navy? No there hasn't. Our Navy is quite capable. All the antennas, radars and launchers on our ships actually work unlike say...Russia. Their stuff is just for show, it doesn't work. They have radars that don't emit a danged thing. You know why? Because there aren't even cables or wave guides running to them.
Of course our Navy will fight. It is all too much like a video game for them not too. Pretty sure our BMD's are the only ships that can shoot ICBM's and satellites...in space.
The Ukrainians sank the Russian flagship of the Baltic.
Enough said.
Hell, any American military with a trigger needs permission. They have a phone attached to the trigger with a higher up on the other end.
It's gotta be that way when you have 25 year old Lieutenants.
Regarding the story about Iranian navy forcing the sub to surface....first, listen to Mac, he knows what he's talking about....
Second, 5th fleet commented on the alleged incident...no boats where in the straight that day or recently.
It's bs.
Mac, thank you for your service...
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Okay then why would we put a US submarine in such a vulnerable position?
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AxRWb2jE...1e3A/s1600/Strait_of_Ormuz_GeoGarage.pngYou don't know a damn thing about naval warfare or anything else. The USN sends vessels into every area of international waters and the Gulf is international waters. I swear I have come across morons in my day but you take the cake.
So you haven't a clue? What navel warfare edicts would put a valuable submarine into a relatively shallow and narrow area in a very dangerous part of the world and make it a habit of surfacing, especially in the strait of Hormuz? Mac I really question anything you say about your experience in the Navy. Now yes I do know the US Navy goes anywhere it likes but sending a submarine into the Persian Gulf and exposing it reeks of blithering idiocy.
MOGC...The brown water navy in Nam were bad ass warriors (not Kerry) to the core ...NOBODY would suggest otherwise. I'm no naval historian but using the internet as a source, no matter how you phrase the search terms, the blue water Navy, with the exception of the Simpson noted above, has not been in action since ww2. Delivering naval artillery barrages from offshore does not really meet the definition of battle...where the protagonists are shooting at each other. Yes, the Navy has been in some high tension trouble spots around the world...but not in a battle.
Guess you weren't on the USS KIDD DD661 when she steamed into the Inchon harbor where she could bring direct gunfire on hidden shore battery emplacements. This action put the KIDD directly under the guns of the Norks and the KIDD took casualties. My dad was on the #1 gun mount and took shrapnel in his legs from a shell burst. He wasn't alone, others got wounded also.
Dad was also on the KIDD's rifle squad and participated in evacuating American, English and French citizens from Formosa islands during the first communist crisis that occurred there after the Korean War. Going ashore in small boats, often at night and going inland to the various plantation homes and getting those families to safety ahead of the communist forces occasionally resulted in skirmishes between the U.S. forces and the red soldiers and guerillas. Dad was issued an M1 Carbine and liked the lightweight and firepower. To say the USN wasn't involved in battle since WWII is either ignorance or blatantly ignoring facts.
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Okay then why would we put a US submarine in such a vulnerable position?
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AxRWb2jE...1e3A/s1600/Strait_of_Ormuz_GeoGarage.pngYou don't know a damn thing about naval warfare or anything else. The USN sends vessels into every area of international waters and the Gulf is international waters. I swear I have come across morons in my day but you take the cake.
So you haven't a clue? What navel warfare edicts would put a valuable submarine into a relatively shallow and narrow area in a very dangerous part of the world and make it a habit of surfacing, especially in the strait of Hormuz? Mac I really question anything you say about your experience in the Navy. Now yes I do know the US Navy goes anywhere it likes but sending a submarine into the Persian Gulf and exposing it reeks of blithering idiocy.
How do you think they get into the Persian Gulf then? Are you suggesting they are air-lifted? How do you think they get through the Suez Canal, Bosphorous, Bab Al Mandel etc..? You should keep to worrying about your Cheeto supply from going stale and leave the submarining to the experts. You just don't make sense. Especially if you think Iran forced a damned thing on a nuclear sub.
So you haven't a clue? What navel warfare edicts would put a valuable submarine into a relatively shallow and narrow area in a very dangerous part of the world and make it a habit of surfacing, especially in the strait of Hormuz? Mac I really question anything you say about your experience in the Navy. Now yes I do know the US Navy goes anywhere it likes but sending a submarine into the Persian Gulf and exposing it reeks of blithering idiocy.
You have got to be one of the most blissfully ignorant idiots on the fire! Since time immemorial nations have put weapons on display the show their would be opponents that this is the power to destroy you or defend you. It is one of the perks that the people running countries retain to themselves. They oft times even use those perks well in fact.
An SSGN carries almost 200 nuclear capable missiles with a range of 1000 miles and it can disappear into undetectability and stay there for months. The cobra in the bathtub is not so worrisome as the one that disappeared into the garden. The consideration that there is a bunch of SSBNs with much more fearsome weaponry lurking god knows where. is not a small part of why those SSGNs are often on display. That is no small part of what they are designed for.
I want to point one thing about the topic the OP lists, US submarines always surface before going through Hormuz as a protocol. They DO NOT transit the strait submerged. There is NO way any Iranian vessel forced one of our nuclear subs to do anything. The sub was approaching the strait submerged and then surfaced as part of the normal transit routine and Iran is running around claiming they "forced" it to do what it was already going to do.
But Hey, what the hell do I know? I only served in the USN for more than 25 years as a navigation specialist. I'm sure many of the members here that have never been in the USN, never plotted a course and have never been underway on the ocean know a lot more about it than this retired navy chief does.
Lol. 🙃
So you haven't a clue? What navel warfare edicts would put a valuable submarine into a relatively shallow and narrow area in a very dangerous part of the world and make it a habit of surfacing, especially in the strait of Hormuz? Mac I really question anything you say about your experience in the Navy. Now yes I do know the US Navy goes anywhere it likes but sending a submarine into the Persian Gulf and exposing it reeks of blithering idiocy.
The USN has been putting subs into the Persian Gulf for decades
MORON. If you don't understand that then you are just flat out a card carrying
IDIOT.There is a line in a movie that says "Never go full retard." You just went
FULL RETARD! You seem hellbent on going through life
STUCK ON STUPID! Your ignorance and idiocy appear to be boundless. I don't know what you do, or did, for a living but you were never in the USN and you simply do not have any validity to make a comment on it. Go away Child, you bore me.