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Yes, and thousands of sailors signed anti deployment pledges (thousands more did not) in the early 70's, Coral Sea, Kitty Hawk, Constellation and of course the famous 'million dollar paint scraper' in the reduction gears of the Enterprise. By any other name it would have been a mass mutiny. It turns out (speaking as a vet) the war was a sham and a waste...but, they did take the oath of enlistment...and later broke it.

The decision not to start WWIII was made by LBJ. He gave them a WWII piece of junk and some crypto gear that was of no use to them or anyone else in exchange for return of the crew. The value of the bargain to either side is debatable. At the time, I was also serving on a WWII piece of junk. It was of virtually no worth. It's main value was that it had been overhauled to manage a little more speed for the express purpose of keeping up with the Enterprise during flight ops. As was demonstrated, when the Pueblo was grabbed, the only thing that could stay with the Enterprise was 4 of it's most important assets for protection.

re the Florida. Those subs are a lot bigger then you suspect and the gulf is particularly shallow there. SSGN boats are often used in a manner that puts them on display like the SSNs as opposed to SSBNs. The Red Sea has little deep water and that's why the SSGNs there and are on the surface there transiting shallow waters. I have participated in a number of ASW tests and you may be assured that any nuke boat is more than capable of remaining undetected if it chooses to. Something as trivial as a gunboat is not going to make one do anything is chooses not to. There is a reason why the bulk of our nuclear deterrence is vested in those boats and will remain so until someone demonstrates that they can find and track them. Just like the Navy is an integrated force that is designed to designate specific units to specific tasks, it is also integrated to the tasks of the other branches.

How the civilian leadership chooses to use it is a wholly separate concept.

Well said. The OP is just BS. But what do I know. I only served 24 years. Last duty station was TRF Banger.

The Treason ..

Mallet giving the Chineses Heads Up 24/7 ..

If he ain’t Mr. Pudd’n Bagel Factory is ..

We’ve been Play’d ..

You just can’t Handle the Truth ..

How many times have our elected officials sent troops to an area as a show of force and then tied their hands behind their backs with excessive rules of engagement?

Dumb question...

They'll kick aaassss and take no prisoners...

You don't know a damn thing about naval warfare or anything else. The USN sends vessels into every area of international waters and the Gulf is international waters. I swear I have come across morons in my day but you take the cake.

Wow. Question, are you aware of another Navy that wants to challenge or bang heads with the US Navy? Has there been a willing country that wanted to test our Navy? No there hasn't. Our Navy is quite capable. All the antennas, radars and launchers on our ships actually work unlike say...Russia. Their stuff is just for show, it doesn't work. They have radars that don't emit a danged thing. You know why? Because there aren't even cables or wave guides running to them.

Of course our Navy will fight. It is all too much like a video game for them not too. Pretty sure our BMD's are the only ships that can shoot ICBM's and satellites...in space.

The Ukrainians sank the Russian flagship of the Baltic.

Enough said.

It's gotta be that way when you have 25 year old Lieutenants.

Regarding the story about Iranian navy forcing the sub to surface....first, listen to Mac, he knows what he's talking about....

Second, 5th fleet commented on the alleged incident...no boats where in the straight that day or recently.

It's bs.

Mac, thank you for your service...

So you haven't a clue? What navel warfare edicts would put a valuable submarine into a relatively shallow and narrow area in a very dangerous part of the world and make it a habit of surfacing, especially in the strait of Hormuz? Mac I really question anything you say about your experience in the Navy. Now yes I do know the US Navy goes anywhere it likes but sending a submarine into the Persian Gulf and exposing it reeks of blithering idiocy.

Guess you weren't on the USS KIDD DD661 when she steamed into the Inchon harbor where she could bring direct gunfire on hidden shore battery emplacements. This action put the KIDD directly under the guns of the Norks and the KIDD took casualties. My dad was on the #1 gun mount and took shrapnel in his legs from a shell burst. He wasn't alone, others got wounded also.

Dad was also on the KIDD's rifle squad and participated in evacuating American, English and French citizens from Formosa islands during the first communist crisis that occurred there after the Korean War. Going ashore in small boats, often at night and going inland to the various plantation homes and getting those families to safety ahead of the communist forces occasionally resulted in skirmishes between the U.S. forces and the red soldiers and guerillas. Dad was issued an M1 Carbine and liked the lightweight and firepower. To say the USN wasn't involved in battle since WWII is either ignorance or blatantly ignoring facts.

Nice bit on ships in Viet Nam and agent orange

https://www.vetshq.com/u-s-navy-coast-guard-ships-in-vietnam/

And on combat

https://www.vietnamwar50th.com/assets/1/7/U.S._Navy_in_Vietnam.pdf

How do you think they get into the Persian Gulf then? Are you suggesting they are air-lifted? How do you think they get through the Suez Canal, Bosphorous, Bab Al Mandel etc..? You should keep to worrying about your Cheeto supply from going stale and leave the submarining to the experts. You just don't make sense. Especially if you think Iran forced a damned thing on a nuclear sub.

You have got to be one of the most blissfully ignorant idiots on the fire! Since time immemorial nations have put weapons on display the show their would be opponents that this is the power to destroy you or defend you. It is one of the perks that the people running countries retain to themselves. They oft times even use those perks well in fact.

An SSGN carries almost 200 nuclear capable missiles with a range of 1000 miles and it can disappear into undetectability and stay there for months. The cobra in the bathtub is not so worrisome as the one that disappeared into the garden. The consideration that there is a bunch of SSBNs with much more fearsome weaponry lurking god knows where. is not a small part of why those SSGNs are often on display. That is no small part of what they are designed for.

Lol. 🙃

The USN has been putting subs into the Persian Gulf for decades MORON. If you don't understand that then you are just flat out a card carrying IDIOT.

There is a line in a movie that says "Never go full retard." You just went FULL RETARD! You seem hellbent on going through life STUCK ON STUPID! Your ignorance and idiocy appear to be boundless. I don't know what you do, or did, for a living but you were never in the USN and you simply do not have any validity to make a comment on it. Go away Child, you bore me.