He just got out of the hospital and called me, they worked on his legs all night.
6 major bite wounds, says he's never had such pain.
He'd headed to see a girlfriend south of Tampa, took her out to dinner at a high-end restaurant.
Matradee was leading them to their table when the attack occurred. The Pit belonged to another customer, he came out from under a table and attacked him in the middle of the dining room.
Totally unprovoked, never saw it coming.
The restaurant had permitted the customer to bring his mutt in.
Paramedics hauled him to the emergency room from the restaurant.
Schits gonna go down, that restaurant and the dog owner are gonna be feeling some pain next......in their pockets.
A guy here in town has a couple big dogs in his shop. A customer mentioned how friendly they were. The dog owner said he kept 2 million in liability insurance on them just incase they one day decide not to be so nice. The insurance came about from a venue that he takes his dogs to that was not welcoming to dogs.
Sorry about your friend. Hope he recovers quickly.
Wow , crazy deal attacked inside a restaurant , hopefully this will lead to ''NO DOGS ALLOWED"...
All it takes is a flimsily piece of paper to say "support dog" or something of that nature and businesses must accommodate the owner and dog. No breed restrictions, no mandatory training, nothing. Not saying that's what happened here, just a way people get around "Dogs Not Allowed" signs.
Wow , crazy deal attacked inside a restaurant , hopefully this will lead to ''NO DOGS ALLOWED"...
All it takes is a flimsily piece of paper to say "support dog" or something of that nature and businesses must accommodate the owner and dog. No breed restrictions, no mandatory training, nothing. Not saying that's what happened here, just a way people get around "Dogs Not Allowed" signs.
I read all time conflicting info on what businesses can allow and disallow in re service and pretend service dogs. I wonder if a business made them sign a waiver saying the dog owner was responsible for any and all damages incurred would be allowed by law? Lots of barristers on here. Curious as to your input.
Gee I wish a dog would attack me in a fancy restaurant! That guy is set for life. I guess my lack of fear of dogs is based in my earlier years training dogs to attack. I learned a lot about how not to get hurt. I do have a few dog created scars but hell I never got hundreds of thousands of dollars for them. How lucky can you get!
He'd headed to see a girlfriend south of Tampa, took her out to dinner at a high-end restaurant.
Matradee was leading them to their table when the attack occurred. The Pit belonged to another customer, he came out from under a table and attacked him in the middle of the dining room.
Totally unprovoked, never saw it coming.
The restaurant had permitted the customer to bring his mutt in.
Like a steakhouse or 'Latin Cuisine' high end restaurant?! Who the hell lets a pit hide under a table?????
Everyone is sue happy, real winners are the [bleep] lawyers. Watching TV last night and there about 10 ads for ambulance chasers and one for a hot tub sale. I carry a 3 million personal liability umbrella policy and am scared to leave the house for fear of being sued to the poor house by some slick dick attorney. Troubling times!
1. People don't leave their fuggin' dogs at home any more. They treat them like children that they have to cart everywhere with them. 2. Because they don't leave their fuggin' dogs at home, they expect everyone else to accommodate them so they don't have leave the dog in the hot car etc., etc.
I own 4 pointing dogs and have never sucked a cock in my life, don't intend to. I think I'll sue you. Farmers and ranchers on the other hand................
Cat people are puzzies. But no I am smart enough to know a 70 pound Catahoula has no place in a restaurant or Walmart. The feed store no problem. People are stupid, sticking their hands in a dogs face, why do they do that? The dog can smell what you had for dinner the night before from 50 feet. The dog can also tell if you are afraid, don't like dogs or are a piece of [bleep]. So no reason to allow a dog in general public, especially a restaurant where the dogs nose is filled with many different food aroma's and the noise of strangers talking.
I hope the dog is at the pound on death row. And so it goes, another pit bull story.
it should be. but its owners fault not dogs. Thats the shame of it all. owners almost all the time are the issue and the dog has to pay the price. Owner should be put down so to speak
I hope the dog is at the pound on death row. And so it goes, another pit bull story.
it should be. but its owners fault not dogs. Thats the shame of it all. owners almost all the time are the issue and the dog has to pay the price. Owner should be put down so to speak
Yeah a dog coming out of no where from under a table and trying to kill someone isn’t on the dog at all perfectly normal dog behavior
I hope the dog is at the pound on death row. And so it goes, another pit bull story.
it should be. but its owners fault not dogs. Thats the shame of it all. owners almost all the time are the issue and the dog has to pay the price. Owner should be put down so to speak
Yeah a dog coming out of no where from under a table and trying to kill someone isn’t on the dog at all perfectly normal dog behavior
lol. the victim provoked the poor harmless pitbull to try and kill him and mangle his legs. Im sure he deserved it. God bless pitbulls!!
Ddid you know Pitbulls were originally bred to nurse babies in their cribs while the mothers worked outside the home?
WTF? What kind of restaurant allows dogs in the dining room? Seems really odd. No way would that fly in any restaurant I've been in. Even McDonalds doesn't allow dogs in the dining area. Maybe the pitbull-owning patron is the restaurant-owner's BIL? Regardless, that dog's owner should pay a heavy price for being so stupid. The restaurant controls access to that space, so the liability will be joint and several.
A very nice neighbor of mine owns pitbulls. She says they are wonderful dogs, and are just misunderstood by society. But, she walks the dogs before sunrise to avoid meeting other dog-walkers because they are so dog aggressive. They'd drag her across the road to attack someone's dog. I know dog-aggressive is different from people-aggressive, but there are plenty of wonderful dog breeds that are neither dog- nor people-aggressive, so why even go there? Seems so dumb.
Everyone is sue happy, real winners are the [bleep] lawyers. Watching TV last night and there about 10 ads for ambulance chasers and one for a hot tub sale. I carry a 3 million personal liability umbrella policy and am scared to leave the house for fear of being sued to the poor house by some slick dick attorney. Troubling times!
Yeah, it makes much more sense that my friend foot his own hospital and ambulance bills for being stupid enough to dine in a seafood restaurant at a local Yacht Club.
Just digging in on the poor pitbull owner and have found he owns a waterfront home in Florida and another home in Boston Massachusetts. Poor guy probably has a lot of bills to pay.
Both the restaurant manager and the dog owner apologized repeatedly while the paramedics were working with his wounds in the restaurant dining room.
My buddy should be able to pay his bills, feed himself and buy the meds he now needs just fine from those kind sentiments and apologies until he's able to return to work.
BTW, anyone ever point out to you that you're one dumb sum'of a bitch?
It was likely a "Service Dog" ya right Fake service dog..
Restaurant is saying that they don't have any idea if it was a service dog. They just allowed him to bring the dog into the restaurant because that's how they roll.
I generally don’t support suing because it’s been used and abused too many times but there are times when suing someone is the RIGHT course of action. This sounds to me like one of those times. The dog owner is responsible for keeping his dog under control while in the public square and the restaurant has a responsibility to all their customers to provide reasonable measures that to protect their dining customers from preventable dangers….like an unrestrained pit bull having the run of the restaurant.
I hope your friend recovers fully and I hope that between the dog owner and the restaurant he’s compensated appropriately. I’m sure that this won’t go to court as the insurance companies will likely negotiate a settlement.
It was likely a "Service Dog" ya right Fake service dog..
Restaurant is saying that they don't have any idea if it was a service dog. They just allowed him to bring the dog into the restaurant because that's how they roll.
WTF? What kind of restaurant allows dogs in the dining room? Seems really odd. No way would that fly in any restaurant I've been in. Even McDonalds doesn't allow dogs in the dining area. Maybe the pitbull-owning patron is the restaurant-owner's BIL? Regardless, that dog's owner should pay a heavy price for being so stupid. The restaurant controls access to that space, so the liability will be joint and several.
A very nice neighbor of mine owns pitbulls. She says they are wonderful dogs, and are just misunderstood by society. But, she walks the dogs before sunrise to avoid meeting other dog-walkers because they are so dog aggressive. They'd drag her across the road to attack someone's dog. I know dog-aggressive is different from people-aggressive, but there are plenty of wonderful dog breeds that are neither dog- nor people-aggressive, so why even go there? Seems so dumb.
Lowes gets all kinds of dogs, and sometimes I see dogs in the grocery store. But I have never seen a dog in a restaurant. Obviously, even good doggies will take a crap, or will wee wee. Of course in 99 percent of restaurants, dogs are forbidden. Probably against the rules of the health dept., and obviously against the rules of common sense.
Everyone is sue happy, real winners are the [bleep] lawyers. Watching TV last night and there about 10 ads for ambulance chasers and one for a hot tub sale. I carry a 3 million personal liability umbrella policy and am scared to leave the house for fear of being sued to the poor house by some slick dick attorney. Troubling times!
Isn’t the point of an umbrella policy to protect you in the event of a lawsuit? So why are you so scared?
He sent me a snapshot of the dog owners drivers license.
He lives in a in a nice waterfront home off Sanibel Island. He'll be cash fat with good lawyers, so will the restaurant.
The dog owner will be insured for liability through his homeowners policy. The restaurant will be insured for their liability. It doesn't matter how good the insurance attorneys are. They will pay but will first lowball an offer and probably try to pawn off the liability on each other.
He needs a good injury attorney that isn't real eager to settle and move on. The case is won. The only questions are how much is paid and what percent of the blame each party gets. Since the bitten party didn't provoke the dog it sounds like 100% of the damages will be paid.
"Just digging in on the poor pitbull owner and have found he owns a waterfront home in Florida and another home in Boston Massachusetts."
A Florida Yankee! We get them around here, they like to have a third home in the Blue Ridge Mountains, they are notorious for being know it all jerks. Plus this one is rich. He probably got the restaurant owner to break the rules for him about dogs in the restaurant. That sounds like a Florida Yankee.
Your friend needs to sue them into the middle of next week. This kind of case is exactly what the civil court system is for.
JeffA: I am a dog lover. During my professional career though I was bitten 27 times (in 29 years) by dogs. The worst and most painful was when a biker scums (no offense Paul Barnard) pitbull got hold of my ankle before I could kill it. Thankfully I had on "Wellington" style boots and that protected my ankle from more tissue damage than was done. Sadly I must conclude and endorse that "pitbull dogs" should NOT be allowed to breed. They should be rid of from society in 10 -12 years then - and small people would no longer be so severely maimed/killed by them (let alone the harm they do to other dogs). I hope your friend recovers fully and is recompensed accordingly. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
WTF? What kind of restaurant allows dogs in the dining room? Seems really odd. No way would that fly in any restaurant I've been in. Even McDonalds doesn't allow dogs in the dining area. Maybe the pitbull-owning patron is the restaurant-owner's BIL? Regardless, that dog's owner should pay a heavy price for being so stupid. The restaurant controls access to that space, so the liability will be joint and several.
A very nice neighbor of mine owns pitbulls. She says they are wonderful dogs, and are just misunderstood by society. But, she walks the dogs before sunrise to avoid meeting other dog-walkers because they are so dog aggressive. They'd drag her across the road to attack someone's dog. I know dog-aggressive is different from people-aggressive, but there are plenty of wonderful dog breeds that are neither dog- nor people-aggressive, so why even go there? Seems so dumb.
Lowes gets all kinds of dogs, and sometimes I see dogs in the grocery store. But I have never seen a dog in a restaurant. Obviously, even good doggies will take a crap, or will wee wee. Of course in 99 percent of restaurants, dogs are forbidden. Probably against the rules of the health dept., and obviously against the rules of common sense.
You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs. Restaurants CAN NOT refuse entrance of a service dog, the fine is $10k per occurrence IIRC. Also there is no paperwork or registration signifying that a dog is a service dog, the manager of the facility can ask the dog's handler two questions. Is it a service dog, what service does the dog perform. They can not question the handler as to the nature of their disability.
I love dogs but pits are just not needed as dangerous as they can become out of nowhere. Any breed can just lose it but pits do more damage than most and seem to be much more unpredictable. YMMV
It's pretty common to see dogs in about every conceivable place of business in Florida.
Ya can't leave them in a vehicle due to the extreme heat.
I see them often in outdoor dining areas of restaurants, there are bowls of water for pets sitting around a lot of places too.
The grocery store dogs bother me more than anywhere else due to sanitary issues.
I took my dog into a Home Depot once. He's waited me out in the truck there many times during the winter months but it wasn't winter, it was hot and I figured he'd like to know what was so special about this place anyway being I go there so often.
So I leashed him up and in we went.
If any dog has ever pissed anywhere, my dogs gonna smell it and throw down. I don't think there's a corner on any shelf in Home Depot that hasn't been tagged by some dog. It was like 'clean up' on isle 7...8...9...10.
I got outta there as quick as I could, he ain't never going back.
Looking at the restaurants website under FAQ's it states they are dog friendly but all dogs must be on a leash and under the control of their owners at all times.
The dog wasn't leashed and obviously not under control.
Restaurant failed to enforce its own policy on the leash requirement. Not good for the restaurant.....
There us a huge difference between making the liable insurance companies compensate you for your expenses and losses.
Attempting to get rich due to a unintentionally issue is entire other thing.
Hear hear! Driving a new Benz doesn't fix future physical or mental health issues. May not hurt, but some folks have a pesky/frustrating thing called a conscience.
WTF? What kind of restaurant allows dogs in the dining room? Seems really odd. No way would that fly in any restaurant I've been in. Even McDonalds doesn't allow dogs in the dining area. Maybe the pitbull-owning patron is the restaurant-owner's BIL? Regardless, that dog's owner should pay a heavy price for being stupid. The restaurant controls access to that space, so the liability will be joint and several.
A very nice neighbor of mine owns pitbulls. She says they are wonderful dogs, and are just misunderstood by society. But, she walks the dogs before sunrise to avoid meeting other dog-walkers because they are so dog aggressive. They'd drag her across the road to attack someone's dog. I know dog-aggressive is different from people-aggressive, but there are plenty of wonderful dog breeds that are neither dog- nor people-aggressive, so why even go there? Seems so dumb.
Lowes gets all kinds of dogs, and sometimes I see dogs in the grocery store. But I have never seen a dog in a restaurant. Obviously, even good doggies will take a crap, or will wee wee. Of course in 99 percent of restaurants, dogs are forbidden. Probably against the rules of the health dept., and obviously against the rules of common sense.
About a year ago at a Texas Road House, we saw the people in the booth across from us had a medium size dog that stayed under their booth the entire time. I don't remember the breed, but it was a none aggressive breed. It was well behaved, but I was still surprised as well.
Pay his medical? That's total BS. They owe him a lot more than his medical expenses. I would also try to get the restaurant to change its "dog-friendly" policy and get the pitbull owner to agree to euthanize the dog and never own another one.
If the restaurant and owner agree to pay the medical they’ve admitted responsibility and additional damages are assessed after he’s recuperated. Accepting pain and suffering damages too early and you generally relinquish any future claims to additional pain and suffering should he suffer complications during his recovery.
Any chance the restaurant had CCTV? Would help his case immensely.
They could have, might be a few cell phone videos on social media too. The restaurant was packed, sumbuddys bound to have shot video of the aftermath and maybe even the dog at some point.
It’s not really relevant to what happened but I can’t understand the mentality of wanting to bring a dog to a restaurant with you.
When I go out to dinner I want to relax and spend time with my family. Having to constantly think about a dog and holding a fork in one hand and a grubby leash in the other while it stares at the food and drools isn’t my idea of a good time.
"You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs."
Interesting argument, but the ADA does not authorize a person to bring a dangerous dog into a place of a business, nor require a business to admit such onto its premises. Unless the owner is legally disabled, and the dog is specifically trained to assist with that disability, no way is it entitled access to the dining room of a restaurant.
Plus, when a business allows the public to access its property for the purposes of making a profit, that business has a heightened duty to assure the safety of its customers. This dog attack is a major fail by the restaurant in that regard.
My guess is that the owner is not legally disabled and made up a BS story that the dog is a service animal, and the restaurant bought the story at face value without putting any thought into it.
Hopefully the dog has already been tested for rabies/euthanized.
It’s not really relevant to what happened but I can’t understand the mentality of wanting to bring a dog to a restaurant with you.
When I go out to dinner I want to relax and spend time with my family. Having to constantly think about a dog and holding a fork in one hand and a grubby leash in the other while it stares at the food and drools isn’t my idea of a good time.
That’s because you are responsible and think things through. Unfortunately most people are selfish and DGAF. I’d never bring a dog or any other animal to a public restaurant. No reason unless blind or handicapped IMO.
"You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs."
The ADA does not authorize a person to bring a dangerous dog into a place of a business, nor require a business to admit such onto its premises. Unless the owner is blind, and the dog is a certified seeing-eye dog, no way is it entitled to access to the dining room of a restaurant.
Plus, when a business allows the public to access to its property for the purposes of making a profit, that business has a heightened duty to assure the safety of its customers. This situation is a major fail by the restaurant.
And, hopefully the dog has already been euthanized and tested for rabies.
JMHO
That definitely wasn't a service dog, it had no business being in that restaurant. The law requires that a service dog has a collar or a harness on and is controlled by a leash at all times. The law also doesn't limit access to only a guide dog. A young woman brought her service dog into Planet Fitness with her while I was working out, it was one of the best behaved dog I've ever seen. He'd lay on the floor next to the treadmill while his master was doing her workout, you could walk right next to the dog and he wouldn't acknowledge your presence. I don't know what Florida laws are considering dangerous animals, the dog in this case should be a canidate for the needle. This ESA schidt has gotten totally out of hand. It's caused issues for people who trully need a service dog to assist them with their daily needs.
Where Service Animals Are Allowed Under the ADA, State and local governments, businesses, and nonprofit organizations that serve the public generally must allow service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas of the facility where the public is allowed to go. For example, in a hospital it usually would be inappropriate to exclude a service animal from areas such as patient rooms, clinics, cafeterias, or examination rooms. However, it may be appropriate to exclude a service animal from operating rooms or burn units where the animal’s presence may compromise a sterile environment.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
Keep the F'in dog at home, working, or in the truck! Dogs don't need to be in Walmart, or the "feed store", for that matter! They have their times - and places. In amongst the general public is neither the time, nor the place.
EVERYBODY'S dog is "well behaved" - until they aren't.
I doubt the dog owner is worth much more than the tires on his house.
Most pit owners arent. Mostly gang bangers and white trash
There's a surprising number of moneyed people that own a pitbull. Why? No idea. Is it a status symbol? No idea. But I see them in upper middle class to upper class areas where I live and it just blows my mind.
I freely admit that some of the nicest dogs I have ever met were pitbulls. But the reason I met them is because they had attacked people or animals, and by the time I came across them, they had settled down. These pitbulls came from good homes and had not been aggressive before, until they were. Walking timebombs is my observation having investigated a few hundred dog bites or aggressive incidents over 10 years.
I was at Lowes a month or so ago. Some clown had a decent size dog in the store, it lunged towards me, the owner held it on the leash. I remember thinking that 9MM would be loud inside the store.
I love my dog, but I will not bring it to anybody's house and do not want your pot licker at my house. I could never understand the need for a full grown man to carry a yapping little dog around in stores or restaurants.
I could take my dog anywhere because I am smart enough not to own a fugging Pit Bull. Stupid SOB's think their bad ass dog is cool. I wouldn't own a dog that would bite someone. I would kill that SOB myself. Real men don't need a mean dog. They speak softly and carry a big gun. My dog is well mannered and wouldn't bite no matter what.
Sorry about your friend. I hope he bankrupts the dog owner and the restaurant. It's the only way [bleep] will ever change.
He sent me a snapshot of the dog owners drivers license.
He lives in a in a nice waterfront home off Sanibel Island. He'll be cash fat with good lawyers, so will the restaurant.
The dog owner will be insured for liability through his homeowners policy. The restaurant will be insured for their liability. It doesn't matter how good the insurance attorneys are. They will pay but will first lowball an offer and probably try to pawn off the liability on each other.
He needs a good injury attorney that isn't real eager to settle and move on. The case is won. The only questions are how much is paid and what percent of the blame each party gets. Since the bitten party didn't provoke the dog it sounds like 100% of the damages will be paid.
Good summary. As Aces pointed out, this will never go to trial. A settlement will be forthcoming. The victim will be compensated for his losses and his pain. His lawyer will take a third of it. FWIW, there is no amount of money I’d take to let a Pit gnaw on my legs. Whatever he gets, he will have earned it the hard way. He’ll probably have a permanent painful limp. No thanks.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
A pit bull lunges out from under a table and starts viciously attacking a man who is taken by surprise and he is not a "man"?? Because the dog was able to injure him before anyone could stop him? Are you familiar with pit bulls?
I don't ever recall you making a stupid statement before this one but out of curiosity I'm going to look back.
Dude will probably have PTSD flashbacks every time he walks by a table with a tablecloth covering. Never know what lurks behind! 😳
In all seriousness, getting attacked by a dangerous animal can probably mess up a guy’s head. And likely create some interesting nightmares, too. Not all wounds are visible.
I could take my dog anywhere because I am smart enough not to own a fugging Pit Bull. Stupid SOB's think their bad ass dog is cool. I wouldn't own a dog that would bite someone. I would kill that SOB myself. Real men don't need a mean dog. They speak softly and carry a big gun. My dog is well mannered and wouldn't bite no matter what.
Sorry about your friend. I hope he bankrupts the dog owner and the restaurant. It's the only way [bleep] will ever change.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
A pit bull lunges out from under a table and starts viciously attacking a man who is taken by surprise and he is not a "man"?? Because the dog was able to injure him before anyone could stop him? Are you familiar with pit bulls?
I don't ever recall you making a stupid statement before this one but out of curiosity I'm going to look back.
Keep the F'in dog at home, working, or in the truck! Dogs don't need to be in Walmart, or the "feed store", for that matter! They have their times - and places. In amongst the general public is neither the time, nor the place.
EVERYBODY'S dog is "well behaved" - until they aren't.
I like dogs. Even the pits & pit/mixes I have personally met. Never had a problem, but there were one or two I didn't trust whole-heartedly mostly because we were strangers to each other.
But you ain't wrong! The Doxie and Lab mix stay in the truck, tho the seatbelts have gotten expensive a couple times. The last couple, at least, pure vindictiveness at being left.
"You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs."
Well, I’ve never heard of a pit bull as an officially trained service animal. In fact, they’re specifically banned in many states from being used as such. Most of these arseholes just buy a jacket off Ebay and slap it on their mutt since the ADA regulations are terribly written. Free plane ride and hotels for mutley so they don’t have to pay kennel fees. I watched one of these so called “service dogs”. take a giant schitt in Home Depot one day. The owner basically ran off when I asked him about cleaning it up.
I’m 100% confident that Jeff A’s friends attack was not a real service dog.
"You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs."
Well, I’ve never heard of a pit bull as an officially trained service animal. In fact, they’re specifically banned in many states from being used as such. Most of these arseholes just buy a jacket off Ebay and slap it on their mutt since the ADA regulations are terribly written. Free plane ride and hotels for mutley so they don’t have to pay kennel fees. I watched one of these so called “service dogs”. take a giant schitt in Home Depot one day. The owner basically ran off when I asked him about cleaning it up.
I’m 100% confident that Jeff A’s friends attack was not a real service dog.
Ditto. You want a real service dog, you have a Lab or GR, or a couple others.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
A pit bull lunges out from under a table and starts viciously attacking a man who is taken by surprise and he is not a "man"?? Because the dog was able to injure him before anyone could stop him? Are you familiar with pit bulls?
I don't ever recall you making a stupid statement before this one but out of curiosity I'm going to look back.
Don't pay him too much mind. Trump scared him off.
I looked back a little and on 3-18-21 and post #15912022 on the thread 'Another Friendly Pit Bull Story' indicates he has owned quite a few pit bull catch dogs and knows exactly what they are capable of.
Damn…. Completely random, I’m sorry about your friend.
I’m currently on the road with two dogs, I carry an extra key and leave ‘em in the locked truck with the AC running when I’m in a place of business. Only thing I worry about is the car stalling out or some do-gooder calling the Cops about ‘dogs in a hot car’. I figure ain’t too many car thieves goons break into a car with barking dogs in it.
"You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs. Restaurants CAN NOT refuse entrance of a service dog, the fine is $10k per occurrence IIRC. Also there is no paperwork or registration signifying that a dog is a service dog, the manager of the facility can ask the dog's handler two questions. Is it a service dog, what service does the dog perform. They can not question the handler as to the nature of their disability."
Very interesting AJ300Mag. I had no idea the laws were so hard-core.
So the Florida Yankee walked past the restaurant manager with a pit bull and said "It is a service dog" [wink wink]. And the manager said "Sure, welcome aboard" [wink wink].
A Veternarian we had almost always sedated pit bulls, rotties, Doberman’s and shepherds before he gave them any care. His bottom line was that you cant’ trust the breeds no matter how nice and friendly they were in the home.
Neighbor just got one from a rescue. He was friendly to me when the neighbor and dog were by his side and i did pet him no problem. Issue is the guy has a hanging pull rope and the dog likes to jump up and pull and tug. That behavior is in bred as fighting dogs. He don’t like someone and it’s all over.. thinking of carrying when i walk or ride my bike past his house.
Idunno if I can post most of them, 4 of them are high on the inside of his thighs like the mutt was going for his junk. The hospital gown don't cover to much, there's alot showin'. lol.
He needs me to bring him pants when I go too get him, his were shredded, first by the dog then by the Paramedics.
I think I'll forget and make him come home in his cute hospital gown.
We're working on getting video from the restaurant, the dog attack will be interesting but my buddy went into a rage and threw a table and a chair across the dining room, that'll be the good part.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
You can't be serious. The shock factor alone of having a vicious dog come out from under a table and attack you in a place you would least expect it, would put any person at a huge disadvantage from the start. Now you throw a pitbull into that scenario and it's twice as bad.
"You might want to read up on what the ADA says about service dogs. Restaurants CAN NOT refuse entrance of a service dog, the fine is $10k per occurrence IIRC. Also there is no paperwork or registration signifying that a dog is a service dog, the manager of the facility can ask the dog's handler two questions. Is it a service dog, what service does the dog perform. They can not question the handler as to the nature of their disability."
Very interesting AJ300Mag. I had no idea the laws were so hard-core.
So the Florida Yankee walked past the restaurant manager with a pit bull and said "It is a service dog" [wink wink]. And the manager said "Sure, welcome aboard" [wink wink].
It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. The owner of the dog is in for a major financial loss due to his ignorance...
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
That’s gotta qualify for the stupidest post of the year award.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
A pit bull lunges out from under a table and starts viciously attacking a man who is taken by surprise and he is not a "man"?? Because the dog was able to injure him before anyone could stop him? Are you familiar with pit bulls?
I don't ever recall you making a stupid statement before this one but out of curiosity I'm going to look back.
Don't pay him too much mind. Trump scared him off.
I looked back a little and on 3-18-21 and post #15912022 on the thread 'Another Friendly Pit Bull Story' indicates he has owned quite a few pit bull catch dogs and knows exactly what they are capable of.
I'm very familiar with pitbulls and would rather deal with them than a person trying to kill me. Help is always a good thing, but if your waiting for someone to help or save you, your a sad excuse for a man. I hope your buddy makes it out of this ordeal fine. No one deserves to be a chew toy.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
So its his friends fault? Would love to see you in a situation where a pit comes out of no where and locks onto your leg
Bottom line, its a chit breed, always has been. They cant be trusted and for damn sure shouldnt be out in public settings. We all know those damn things arent wired right and the numbers dont lie. Pits kill, thats what they do. Hopefully the dude comes out fine and gets rich off the dumbass who chose to bring that fuggin thing into a restaurant
Wasn’t there a video of someone being attacked in a restaurant? Could have sworn I saw that somewhere. Problem is I didn’t watch it. Could it be a coincidence that 2 people were attacked unprovoked in a restaurant?
Maybe it wasn’t on this site, but damn sure remember it.
Trained service dogs are necessary. Usually a Lab, Golden retriever, German Shepard or Standard size Poodle. They go through extensive training that is very expensive. Emotional support dogs are not service dogs, not even close. You can easily tell the difference. Most Emotional support dogs are a joke. Pitt Bulls are neither. They are killers, ticking time bombs. They have the potential to go off at any time.
What if the OP's friend was walking to his table with a young child and the pitt launched from under the table and hit the child. This would probably be a story about a funeral instead of a visit to the ER.
I witnessed a pet tore in half by two pitt bulls. It happens quick. They dug under the fenced yard they were in. They were loose roaming the neighborhood. A child doesn't a chance against a pitt bull. I have 4 young grandchildren. I would just as soon shoot a pitt bull as look at one.
Keeping you and your family safe is your main responsibility as a man. Your friend needs to man up. If you can't defend yourself against a dog, you damn sure can't defend yourself against a person.
So its his friends fault? Would love to see you in a situation where a pit comes out of no where and locks onto your leg
He is a Pit Bull aficionado. A lot of them look at things differently than most people do. It does no good to ask them to keep their dog home or pay the damages.
That is why I just kill them when they show up on our place. A scoped rifle is necessary in my neighborhood if you have livestock. I can only imagine the distress the western ranchers feel with Canadian wolves being turned loose.
I certainly don't like nor trust pitbulls. I'd be fine if they went extinct. I think they're dangerous and serve no useful purpose. But...some people feel the same way about guns.
You see dogs in every kind of business around here, from restaurants to building supplies to feed stores. Personally, I think it’s stupid to drag a dog around everywhere. I’m not a “pet parent “ or a “doggie daddy “ I’m a dog owner. I’ve probably owned around 50 dogs, mostly hounds, some retrievers and bird dogs. I don’t feel compelled to take a dog anywhere except dog events, hunting or training. People are getting more stupid all the time about their dogs.
I certainly don't like nor trust pitfalls. I'd be fine if they went extinct. I think they're dangerous and serve no useful purpose. But...some people feel the same way about guns.
That is true. A lot of people are against a lot of different things. But the Pit Bull has a brain and can act on his own. That is a huge difference.
You see dogs in every kind of business around here, from restaurants to building supplies to feed stores. Personally, I think it’s stupid to drag a dog around everywhere. I’m not a “pet parent “ or a “doggie daddy “ I’m a dog owner. I’ve probably owned around 50 dogs, mostly hounds, some retrievers and bird dogs. I don’t feel compelled to take a dog anywhere except dog events, hunting or training. People are getting more stupid all the time about their dogs.
I was making a stopover in either Portland or Seattle on one of our trips to Alaska on Alaska Air. There was a family on their way to vacation in Hawaii with a big unhappy dog in a crate. I can't imagine taking a baby on a pleasure trip like that much less a dog.
If I'm looking for a place to spend the night while traveling a NO PETS sign is where I'll pull in.
I had this almost exact thing happen to me. Pit came from nowhere and was not expecting to be attacked but I was just fortunate enough to be carrying slightly weighty vehicle control parts. After clunking the pits head with bolts etcetera sticking out the bottom he turned around retreated. I backed up back to my vehicle without turning my back to him.
I think the reason this is so concerning is most of us have some level of situational awareness. Not so much when relaxing in a nice restaurant.
I hope your friend sues the living daylights out of the dog owner, as a public service. Take his house, car, boat and 401K. Talk to the local DA about bringing charges of reckless endangerment.
People need to be aware that having an aggressive dog in public is a liability that could destroy them.
I certainly don't like nor trust pitbulls. I'd be fine if they went extinct. I think they're dangerous and serve no useful purpose. But...some people feel the same way about guns.
I certainly don't like nor trust pitbulls. I'd be fine if they went extinct. I think they're dangerous and serve no useful purpose. But...some people feel the same way about guns.
Its been done before on here and is still an absolutely ridiculous comparison. A gun will not kill you. A person will or a pitbull on its own free will. A gun isnt a living, breathing, thinking thing. Its a tool. Nothing more
I just looked up Florida law. Pit bulls are allowed as service dogs in Florida. However they must be controlled at all times, either by verbal command, or by leash and harness.
You can bet Mr Sailboat/Pit Bull guy is all lawyered up already.
Probably but even his lawyer(s) have to be thinking about how to minimize the payout because the dog owner will be paying something, for sure.
He owns property (probably mortgaged) so he probably has personal liability coverage. The restaurant surely has coverage. They will pay. Here's hoping the victims attorney is not quick to settle. What happened is not defensible and when I was investigating accidents and wrongful deaths I always thought it a good thing when the guilty party "lawyered up". A good lawyer will tell you that you don't have a leg to stand on and we better get ready to pay.
I certainly don't like nor trust pitbulls. I'd be fine if they went extinct. I think they're dangerous and serve no useful purpose. But...some people feel the same way about guns.
I find pit bulls far less of an overall danger than the idiots that vote for Biden and still support him. Pit bulls do server a useful purpose but keep on with your fear and ignorance, It becomes you.
I hope the dog is at the pound on death row. And so it goes, another pit bull story.
it should be. but its owners fault not dogs. Thats the shame of it all. owners almost all the time are the issue and the dog has to pay the price. Owner should be put down so to speak
Yeah a dog coming out of no where from under a table and trying to kill someone isn’t on the dog at all perfectly normal dog behavior
So is bringing a dog into a large group of people, food everywhere, noises of strangers talking might not have scared the dog to the point of attacking. Was the dog hiding under the table because he was scared? Why wasn't the dog on a lead? I feel it would be legitimate to train big mean dogs to sniff out leftist scum for use in the coming purge. Remember when it comes, chaos caused by your hero Biden, there will be no one to protect you. No one.
[quote=johnn] So you like the fluffy little worthless dogs, interesting says a lot about you. Still liking your vote for Biden?
I like good hunting dogs. Have owned several. Did not vote for Biden, H. Clinton, Obama, Kerry, Gore, B. Clinton, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter, McGovern, but I've shot more pit bulls than I can keep count of. Rural ghetto dogs. Also Chow dogs, Huskies, anything that chases cattle.
[quote=johnn] So you like the fluffy little worthless dogs, interesting says a lot about you. Still liking your vote for Biden?
I like good hunting dogs. Have owned several. Did not vote for Biden, H. Clinton, Obama, Kerry, Gore, B. Clinton, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter, McGovern, but I've shot more pit bulls than I can keep count of. Rural ghetto dogs. Also Chow dogs, Huskies, anything that chases cattle.
That post was not meant for you Hastings. I have shot more than my share of Pit bulls. As for dogs that chase cattle my latest Catahoula actually was very useful in getting some cows in a trailer last time I had to catch some that got out and she definitely was chasing them. Tired them out and kept them in place for me. Thank God! Muddy hell it was.
I certainly don't like nor trust pitbulls. I'd be fine if they went extinct. I think they're dangerous and serve no useful purpose. But...some people feel the same way about guns.
I find pit bulls far less of an overall danger than the idiots that vote for Biden and still support him. Pit bulls do server a useful purpose but keep on with your fear and ignorance, It becomes you.
Perhaps you could enlighten us on the useful purpose of Pitbull dogs.
Everyone is sue happy, real winners are the [bleep] lawyers. Watching TV last night and there about 10 ads for ambulance chasers and one for a hot tub sale. I carry a 3 million personal liability umbrella policy and am scared to leave the house for fear of being sued to the poor house by some slick dick attorney. Troubling times!
STFU.... If you caused someone pain then they deserve to sue you. Get a fugking life
Pit bulls make great catch dogs for hogs and cattle. But you have to be willing to weed through (kill) the one's with a bad attitude. My wife is a animal lover and has been bit 3 times by dogs that required a hospital visit. A cocker spaniel damn near put her eye out, a Doberman Pinscher bit her beautiful titties and a catahoula leopard hound chewed the shirt out of her. Our old pit bull pretty much saved her life when it jumped on him and she could finally get to her shotgun. Dogs aren't kids but you sure can get attached to them.
Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and most stink.
Signed,
Dog Lover
Like Jim said earlier in this thread. There is a big difference between dog owners and dog people.
"Dog people" are the stupid fugcks that bring their mutt's into businesses and apparently high end restaurants and the dorks that carry the little musky bait yappers around in their purse.
The Good I got him home. He's walking and feeling little pain. But he's doped up on pain pills. The restaurant has video and I should be getting a copy.
The Bad All the wounds look alot the same, the upper and lower K9s sunk in deep enough that all the front teeth between them also penetrated his skin. The 4 bites on his upper inside thighs and one high on the outside, all show about a half inch or so of tearing.
The tearing may have been due to him beating the dog in the head as it was attacking. There is one bite on the back of his left calf that's just a good, deep solid bite with no tearing.
Dark bruising is developing around the bites.
I have pics but due to the possibility of litigation I'm not going to post them, I took down the related pics I posted earlier too.
I just learned a guy I know bought half interest in this restaurant last year. I've had business dealings with him before, he's a investor, real estate and such.
He's the biggest shyster you'd ever meet in your life. Screws everybody he can whenever possible. He's the type that gets broke, defaults on real estate deals then sues the bank for loaning him the money. When you pull him up on the counties clerk of courts site his legal records are pages long.
His frivolous law suits go on and on.
I swear what I'm about to say is true, it's all online, I'd post links but being this could go into litigation I don’t dare. If I even mentioned the guys name or place of business, he'd file a law suit, beyond any doubt.
Two years ago he approached a dog that was tied to a post in front of a grocery store.
He tried to pet it and bit him.
He sued the schit out of the grocery store and the dogs owner.
How ironic can it get?
I could go on, his list of law suits on the county site are all but endless.
The guys a total POS.
The Ugly My friend has had other medical expenses recently. His deductibles are all paid up for the year. He just wants this behind him. He doesn't want to pursue reimbursement for anything. Doesn't want the hassles involved with collection. Just wants to drop it.
I like dogs, but never understood the fixation people have with owning aggressive dogs. And they all claim they are wonderful.
Always wanted to go shoot hyenas, maybe exporting pit bulls to Africa and see how they fare against hyenas would be interesting.
So you like the fluffy little worthless dogs, interesting says a lot about you. Still liking your vote for Biden?
How long you been retarded? Stoopid fooking troll. You have pit bulls? You need to be put down like the piece of schit that you are. And yer worthless fooking dawgs need to be drug behind a ATV.
The Good I got him home. He's walking and feeling little pain. But he's doped up on pain pills. The restaurant has video and I should be getting a copy.
The Bad All the wounds look alot the same, the upper and lower K9s sunk in deep enough that all the front teeth between them also penetrated his skin. The 4 bites on his upper inside thighs and one high on the outside, all show about a half inch or so of tearing.
The tearing may have been due to him beating the dog in the head as it was attacking. There is one bite on the back of his left calf that's just a good, deep solid bite with no tearing.
Dark bruising is developing around the bites.
I have pics but due to the possibility of litigation I'm not going to post them, I took down the related pics I posted earlier too.
I just learned a guy I know bought half interest in this restaurant last year. I've had business dealings with him before, he's a investor, real estate and such.
He's the biggest shyster you'd ever meet in your life. Screws everybody he can whenever possible. He's the type that gets broke, defaults on real estate deals then sues the bank for loaning him the money. When you pull him up on the counties clerk of courts site his legal records are pages long.
His frivolous law suits go on and on.
I swear what I'm about to say is true, it's all online, I'd post links but being this could go into litigation I don’t dare. If I even mentioned the guys name or place of business, he'd file a law suit, beyond any doubt.
Two years ago he approached a dog that was tied to a post in front of a grocery store.
He tried to pet it and bit him.
He sued the schit out of the grocery store and the dogs owner.
How ironic can it get?
I could go on, his list of law suits on the county site are all but endless.
The guys a total POS.
The Ugly My friend has had other medical expenses recently. His deductibles are all paid up for the year. He just wants this behind him. He doesn't want to pursue reimbursement for anything. Doesn't want the hassles involved with collection. Just wants to drop it.
I'm not a fan of all the frivolous law suits that have been taking place over the years but IMO, this one is completely justified.
Your bud is medicated. Give him time and the anger will seep back in and oh how ironic it would be for the shyster to get his ass sued off. Just don't let him sign anything while doped up! lol
So you like the fluffy little worthless dogs, interesting says a lot about you.
After having owned probably too many running hounds and tree hounds over the years as well as some retrievers (all of which were pretty good actual working dogs) my only dog is a “fluffy, little” ten pound papillon. I guess you’d consider that a worthless dog and I wonder what you think that says about me? I think it says I’m a bit smarter than someone who keeps a big useless dog with all the attendant expense, inconvenience and exposure to liability that entails because, having not much in the way of actual accomplishment in their lives their whole identity and self-image is tied up in their big aggressive dog and the jacked up diesel pickup that never tows anything or goes off the road.
The Good I got him home. He's walking and feeling little pain. But he's doped up on pain pills. The restaurant has video and I should be getting a copy.
The Bad All the wounds look alot the same, the upper and lower K9s sunk in deep enough that all the front teeth between them also penetrated his skin. The 4 bites on his upper inside thighs and one high on the outside, all show about a half inch or so of tearing.
The tearing may have been due to him beating the dog in the head as it was attacking. There is one bite on the back of his left calf that's just a good, deep solid bite with no tearing.
Dark bruising is developing around the bites.
I have pics but due to the possibility of litigation I'm not going to post them, I took down the related pics I posted earlier too.
I just learned a guy I know bought half interest in this restaurant last year. I've had business dealings with him before, he's a investor, real estate and such.
He's the biggest shyster you'd ever meet in your life. Screws everybody he can whenever possible. He's the type that gets broke, defaults on real estate deals then sues the bank for loaning him the money. When you pull him up on the counties clerk of courts site his legal records are pages long.
His frivolous law suits go on and on.
I swear what I'm about to say is true, it's all online, I'd post links but being this could go into litigation I don’t dare. If I even mentioned the guys name or place of business, he'd file a law suit, beyond any doubt.
Two years ago he approached a dog that was tied to a post in front of a grocery store.
He tried to pet it and bit him.
He sued the schit out of the grocery store and the dogs owner.
How ironic can it get?
I could go on, his list of law suits on the county site are all but endless.
The guys a total POS.
The Ugly My friend has had other medical expenses recently. His deductibles are all paid up for the year. He just wants this behind him. He doesn't want to pursue reimbursement for anything. Doesn't want the hassles involved with collection. Just wants to drop it.
I'm not a fan of all the frivolous law suits that have been taking place over the years but IMO, this one is completely justified.
Your bud is medicated. Give him time and the anger will seep back in and oh how ironic it would be for the shyster to get his ass sued off. Just don't let him sign anything while doped up! lol
Try appealing to him that lawsuits like this are necessary to make changes. He can give the money away if he wants but he could very likely help prevent such an attack again if the settlement is large enough to attract attention.
The Ugly My friend has had other medical expenses recently. His deductibles are all paid up for the year. He just wants this behind him. He doesn't want to pursue reimbursement for anything. Doesn't want the hassles involved with collection. Just wants to drop it.
Your friend sounds like a standup guy.
But…. will the dog owner be charged with anything at all, held liable by the law?
Also, what if your friend experiences long term complications including chronic pain?
I ain’t a proponent of lawsuits either but this case seems egregious.
Try appealing to him that lawsuits like this are necessary to make changes. He can give the money away if he wants but he could very likely help prevent such an attack again if the settlement is large enough to attract attention.
At the very minimum, teach other businesses to not allow pets into a place where people are eating. I don't keep pets in the house because of hair and I don't want other peoples pet hair in my F'n food when I'm eating out either.
The Ugly My friend has had other medical expenses recently. His deductibles are all paid up for the year. He just wants this behind him. He doesn't want to pursue reimbursement for anything. Doesn't want the hassles involved with collection. Just wants to drop it.
Try appealing to him that lawsuits like this are necessary to make changes. He can give the money away if he wants but he could very likely help prevent such an attack again if the settlement is large enough to attract attention.
At the very minimum, teach other businesses to not allow pets into a place where people are eating. I don't keep pets in the house because of hair and I don't want other peoples pet hair in my F'n food when I'm eating out either.
Try appealing to him that lawsuits like this are necessary to make changes. He can give the money away if he wants but he could very likely help prevent such an attack again if the settlement is large enough to attract attention.
At the very minimum, teach other businesses to not allow pets into a place where people are eating. I don't keep pets in the house because of hair and I don't want other peoples pet hair in my F'n food when I'm eating out either.
But…. will the dog owner be charged with anything at all, held liable by the law?
Also, what if your friend experiences long term complications including chronic pain?
I ain’t a proponent of lawsuits either but this case seems egregious.
Law enforcement wasn't involved when the incident occurred but the hospital made it mandatory that animal control was informed.
The required forms were filled out there at the hospital and filed.
Animal Control in turn transferred the case to the county the dog owner lives in, that's all still in the works.
Any potential laws broken or anything like that will go down in his home county.
He got the verification of Rabies vaccination that he'd requested from the dog owner last night.
He'd had the dog vaccinated yesterday, he wasn't current when he attacked my friend. He tried to bluff his way passed the date on the paperwork but when confronted said he'd not been vaccinated since he adopted him as a rescue dog in 2021.
He was also informed by the Vet that vaccinated him that the dog has Heartworms. So the dude has done zero pet maintenance since he acquired the dog. He's looking into having his dog euthanized.
His county Animal Control should be moving swiftly, the dog will have to be quarantined for 10 days for observation due to lack of rabies vaccination.
This pissed my buddy off enough that today he's decided to seek legal advice.
There are good dogs and there are bad dogs. I love my dogs but I refuse to anthropomorphize them. That stuff is for weak minded people and the writers at Disney. Bad dogs that don't listen or will not take training or are just plain dumb may get a bullet to the back of the head. I don't care how old they are.
My Dad always said: "Life's too short to own bad dogs."
Good dog, bad dog, it doesn't matter you are responsible for your dog. The pit bulls owner needs to be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder and a host of other charges. Sorry or money doesn't cut it.
Had dogs all my life. They were always with me outdoors. They were never with me in any place of business. I left them at home. Pretty sure that was normal etiquette until the last 20 year or so.
I find pit bulls far less of an overall danger than the idiots that vote for Biden and still support him. Pit bulls do server a useful purpose but keep on with your fear and ignorance, It becomes you.
I am at the top of the list of people who despise BS lawsuits.
However your friend has a very good case and he needs to sue them to the fullest extent of the law. Although pit bulls may be used as "support dogs" in Florida, this was not a support dog. The dog owner knew it, and the restaurant manager knew it.
They need to pay all medical plus a big chunk for pain and suffering, start at $50 Grand and maybe $100 grand.
Goldstein and Shylock get $33 Grand, your buddy walks away with $66 grand.
When my brother was a kid, he was mauled pretty bad by a neighborhood German Shepherd. Turned his rump and the back of his upper thigh into hamburger. He was in the hospital for weeks. He got $10,000.00 in the settlement.
PS The cop who responded to the 911 call saw my brother's injury and volunteered to go over to that house and shoot the dog personally. My father told him not to, but her being put down was in the settlement.
His doctor wants him to get vaccinated for Rabies.
The first dose of the vaccine should be administered within the first 24 hours after exposure.
If symptoms begin before it's determined if the dog had rabies the vaccine is no longer helpful in preventing rabies and it can be deadly.
He wanted to wait out the 10 day quarantine but has no control over if or when that may start.
It's a slim chance, but Humans Can Host Heartworms
'Most' heartworm microfilariae die on their way through the skin. Even 'if' they do get into your blood somehow, heartworms can't mature and will eventually die off. In 'most' cases, heartworms in humans aren't a serious problem 'unless' they cause pain, discomfort, and other noticeable symptoms.
It's documented that the dog has Heartworms. The Rabies status is unknown but according to the owner there were no signs.
His Rabies vaccination was almost 2 years out of date.
They need to pay all medical plus a big chunk for pain and suffering, start at $50 Grand and maybe $100 grand. .
You can bet that the guy’s medical/hospitalization carrier will be going after the dog owner and the restaurant owner to get compensated for what this little adventure cost them.
Lets see... pitbull rescue dog... owner isn't responsible enough to get said dog a rabies vax.... yeah I would say a law suite is the appropriate course of action.... fuggin people.
Lets see... pitbull rescue dog... owner isn't responsible enough to get said dog a rabies vax.... yeah I would say a law suite is the appropriate course of action.... fuggin people.
One thing I have pondered when I see these dumb fugk, pet friendly restaurants is how they can be covered under insurance.
Most full time dog kennel/care places cannot get insurance if they allow pit or pit mix dogs. I don't see how the fugk these restaurants can get insurance coverage that allows every type of dog into the facility.
Lets see... pitbull rescue dog... owner isn't responsible enough to get said dog a rabies vax.... yeah I would say a law suite is the appropriate course of action.... fuggin people.
One thing I have pondered when I see these dumb fugk, pet friendly restaurants is how they can be covered under insurance.
Most full time dog kennel/care places cannot get insurance if they allow pit or pit mix dogs. I don't see how the fugk these restaurants can get insurance coverage that allows every type of dog into the facility.
If they can, it's only because the insurance company hasn't lost enough money over it yet.
Lets see... pitbull rescue dog... owner isn't responsible enough to get said dog a rabies vax.... yeah I would say a law suite is the appropriate course of action.... fuggin people.
One thing I have pondered when I see these dumb fugk, pet friendly restaurants is how they can be covered under insurance.
Most full time dog kennel/care places cannot get insurance if they allow pit or pit mix dogs. I don't see how the fugk these restaurants can get insurance coverage that allows every type of dog into the facility.
If they can, it's only because the insurance company hasn't lost enough money over it yet.
I would bet the owner has to eat every penny the incident costs.
And that's if the plaintiff and their attorneys were nice. Which they never are.
The rabies vaccination protocol for situations like this is not the ordeal that it once was. He would be wise to follow his doctor’s advice.
Just wait till they make all rabies vaccines combo rabies/COVID-19.
That's not the problem. The problem is that many future vaccines will use mRNA technology.
The real dystopian future is a future where many therapies will become mRNA based. mRNA coops your body to produce a foreign protein(spike protein in the case of covid), but this could be any protein they want. Proteins are the machinery of life.
The rabies vaccination protocol for situations like this is not the ordeal that it once was. He would be wise to follow his doctor’s advice.
Just wait till they make all rabies vaccines combo rabies/COVID-19.
Last year for my annual physical, the doctor recommended I get a tetanus shot, hadn't had one in a decade or two.
I was more than a bit skeptical. Wondering if they might slip "a little something extra" into it.
I'm 70, and I've decided on no more injections for me. My primary care doctor gets exasperated when I tell her "hell no" to flu, shingles, pneumonia, tetanus, and most of all COVID 19, but she and my wife are friends so she keeps me on and the only reason I keep her on is to authorize prescriptions.
This damn COVID 19 vaccination frenzy is suspicious to say the least. And I'm afraid they'll slip it in to other injections. You can't get a straight tetanus vaccine any more without the diphtheria and whooping cough.
If that dog was vaccinated for rabies 2 years ago I wouldn't worry about that. But I would sue the pants off both the restaurant and the owner and the restaurant employee that let Fido into the place.
The real dystopian future is a future where many therapies will become mRNA based. mRNA coops your body to produce a foreign protein(spike protein in the case of covid), but this could be any protein they want. Proteins are the machinery of life.
One thing I have pondered when I see these dumb fugk, pet friendly restaurants is how they can be covered under insurance.
Speaking of insurance, the dog owner's home insurer undoubtedly asked him if he had a dog that had ever bitten anybody before.
Wouldn't it be interesting if he lied to his insurance company about that.
I have USAA homeowners and personal liability coverage that follows me away from home. They never asked about animals and animal bites or attacks are not excluded. About the only things excluded are vehicle accidents and intentional injuries inflicted on another. I could accidently shoot someone or wreck a boat and homeowners would cover it. Same for an unruly dog.
There are many, many good pitbull-type dogs out there who live their whole lives without ever harming anyone. There are many, although a much smaller number, less than 1%, who do things like this.
To me, it's not worth the risk.
Any dog can bite. Any large dog can maim or kill a human. But the odds are much lower of that happening with a non-pittie dog.
Here are a few things I've become aware of due to this incident.
ADA, the American Disability Act states this.
When entering a privately owned public place of business, Service Dogs cannot be denied entrance.
A business owner can legally ask only two questions. 1. Is this a service dog? 2. What service does he provide.
That's it, end of story. No verification has to be provided of any sort.
Dog People lie.
They just claim their mutt is a service dog if it is or not.
So in this case, the owner of the restaurant was confronted with the question of, 'was this a service dog'?
His reply was, we have no way of actually knowing so we allow all dogs.
They didn't ask.
I'd think if they did ask if the dog was a service dog before it was allowed on the premises, even if they were lied to, it'd be a sign of them doing the best they legally could to provide a safe environment for their customers.
Service dogs are highly trained and are very unlikely to bite. Most service dogs stay completely focused on their owner and their needs, not on surrounding activities or individuals.
Florida is the second highest state in the nation for dog bite insurance claims.
60% of these claims involve Pit Bulls. 80% involve unneutered dogs.
The historical dog bite insurance settlement average is $30K to $50K. High insurance settlements settlements involving nerve damage and requiring plastic surgery have ran as high as $87K.
In this case, if such a settlement was pursued and awarded, even if it was all cash 'outta pocket' it'd be meaningless for this dog owner. Equally for the victim, he don't need cash, these are not motivational numbers.
This isn't about money.
He's royally pissed that the guy wasn't taking proper care of his dog and now it's potentially going to be euthanized because of this incident. He has dogs of his own that he does take care of.
He'd rather punch the guy in the face than collect any of his money.
One thing I have pondered when I see these dumb fugk, pet friendly restaurants is how they can be covered under insurance.
Speaking of insurance, the dog owner's home insurer undoubtedly asked him if he had a dog that had ever bitten anybody before.
Wouldn't it be interesting if he lied to his insurance company about that.
I have USAA homeowners and personal liability coverage that follows me away from home. They never asked about animals and animal bites or attacks are not excluded. About the only things excluded are vehicle accidents and intentional injuries inflicted on another. I could accidently shoot someone or wreck a boat and homeowners would cover it. Same for an unruly dog.
My Umbrella policy required much information regarding our dogs. Homeowners[both are Farm Bureau] doesn't inquire.
Sue the owner, restaurant and any other parties with a liability exposure. You are not looking to cash in, but this will cause more lawsuits against the responsible party, the dog owner. Restaurant will likely sue him as soon as they are filed against. Definitely if they feel they are losing business due to the exposure of the incident. He needs to get buried in litigation, and lose to where he is afraid to ever have a dog again.
If I were the plaintiff, cash would be the least of my reasons. Behavior modification and future risk mitigation would be up there. And maybe making dumbasz dog boy hurt as much as possible. Gonna take a lot to teach someone like that a damn thing.
Sue the owner, restaurant and any other parties with a liability exposure. You are not looking to cash in, but this will cause more lawsuits against the responsible party, the dog owner. Restaurant will likely sue him as soon as they are filed against. Definitely if they feel they are losing business due to the exposure of the incident. He needs to get buried in litigation, and lose to where he is afraid to ever have a dog again.
If I were the plaintiff, cash would be the least of my reasons. Behavior modification and future risk mitigation would be up there. And maybe making dumbasz dog boy hurt as much as possible. Gonna take a lot to teach someone like that a damn thing.
Correct, but the money would be nice too, considering the pain and disability even if the disability is temporary..
There are many, many good pitbull-type dogs out there who live their whole lives without ever harming anyone. There are many, although a much smaller number, less than 1%, who do things like this.
To me, it's not worth the risk.
Any dog can bite. Any large dog can maim or kill a human. But the odds are much lower of that happening with a non-pittie dog.
I would say it's more like 1% who never do any harm and 99% that need a bullet. Pit Bulls maim and kill more than all other dog breeds combined. Just look up the stats sometime. Oh, and I don't give a rip if the offending dogs just looked like Pits.
There are many, many good pitbull-type dogs out there who live their whole lives without ever harming anyone. There are many, although a much smaller number, less than 1%, who do things like this.
To me, it's not worth the risk.
Any dog can bite. Any large dog can maim or kill a human. But the odds are much lower of that happening with a non-pittie dog.
I would say it's more like 1% who never do any harm and 99% that need a bullet. Pit Bulls maim and kill more than all other dog breeds combined. Just look up the stats sometime. Oh, and I don't give a rip if the offending dogs just looked like Pits.
Some simple statistical analysis based upon ten minutes of research on readily-available sources. According to the National Canine Research Council:
There are approximately 90 million domesticated dogs in the US at any given time. About 6% (5.4 million) of them are pit bull-type dogs.
There are around 800,000 reported dog bites annually that require medical care. That means that 0.89% of dogs seriously bite someone each year. It's actually a bit lower than that, since some dogs will be repeat offenders, but we're going for big picture view here, not a research paper.
Pit bulls are recorded as the biting dog in about 22.5% of bites. So they are overrepresented by a factor of 3.75. In other words, a pit bull type of dog is 3.75 times more likely to be involved in a recordable bite than all other dogs as a whole. Hence my statement that owning one is not worth the increased risk.
3.75 x 0.89 = 3.3% of pit bulls, worst case (which we know is high) are involved in a bite each year.
"Pit bulls" have very short average life spans, because so many are euthanized in shelters, and a high percentage of them die young from lack of vet care, neglect, poor living conditions, etc... The average estimated life span of a pit bull is only 4 years.
3.3% x 4 = 13.2% of pit bulls will be held responsible for a recorded bite over the course of their lives. But this is also too high, because many of the dogs involved in a bite that requires medical care are euthanized. Particularly with dogs identified as pit bulls. A pit bull is over 20X more likely to be "one and done" on a bite compared to a lab or collie.
Random DNA testing by breed advocacy organizations indicate that over half of dogs identified by shelter and animal control agencies as "pit bulls" are actually mixes from other dog breeds, primarily Boxer, Mastiff, French Bulldog, and Boston Terrier. Essentially, every short haired, brindle dog with a short snout is identified as a "pit bull" whether it is or not.
In all likelihood, the percentage of pit bulls that are responsible for a recorded serious dog bite is less than 10%, maybe lower than 5%.
If a dog has more than five years of history with no biting, odds are it will never bite someone, regardless of breed.
So my off the cuff guess was off by about 5%. Your's was off by about 94%.
Facts are pesky things sometimes.
As an aside, when I was 4 years old, I was mauled pretty badly by a relative's lab/weimaraner mix. Not two breeds known for their killing instincts on humans. Had my brother and uncle not intervened, who knows what the outcome would have been. The dog had shown past aggression to strangers, but had never attacked anyone. I needed 22 stitches to sew me back up.
While I was at the hospital, my uncle took care of the problem permanently.
My point is, any large dog can seriously injure or kill a human. Pit bull types are more likely than other breeds to do so.
But the vast majority of individual pit bulls don't.
There are many, many good pitbull-type dogs out there who live their whole lives without ever harming anyone. There are many, although a much smaller number, less than 1%, who do things like this.
To me, it's not worth the risk.
Any dog can bite. Any large dog can maim or kill a human. But the odds are much lower of that happening with a non-pittie dog.
I would say it's more like 1% who never do any harm and 99% that need a bullet. Pit Bulls maim and kill more than all other dog breeds combined. Just look up the stats sometime. Oh, and I don't give a rip if the offending dogs just looked like Pits.
Your not very knowledgeable about dogs and don't let facts get in the way of a good story. It's your dog you're responsible for it's actions same as your kids.
If I were the plaintiff, cash would be the least of my reasons. Behavior modification and future risk mitigation would be up there. And maybe making dumbasz dog boy hurt .
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I haven’t yet came across a pit bull owner that could rub two nickels together. I like the the behavior modification angle, a baseball bat to the head of the owner and a bullet for the dog would be appropriate.
Pit bulls are recorded as the biting dog in about 22.5% of bites. So they are overrepresented by a factor of 3.75.
That's a perfect lesson in how to lie with statistics. Pitbull bites are many times more likely to make it into a registry of bites because when they do bite, they do significantly more damage than most breeds kept as pets (which include untold millions of small dogs), and are thus many times more likely to require hospital treatment. It doesn't mean Pitbulls (particularly those owned by normal people, rather than by criminals or by participants in dog fighting) are any more likely to inappropriately bite a human being than is any other breed of dog.
Pit bulls are recorded as the biting dog in about 22.5% of bites. So they are overrepresented by a factor of 3.75.
That's a perfect lesson in how to lie with statistics. Pitbull bites are many times more likely to make into a registry of bites because when they do bite, they do significantly more damage than most breeds kept as pets (which include untold millions of small dogs), and are thus many times more likely to require hospital treatment. It doesn't mean Pitbulls (particularly those owned by normal people, rather than by criminals or by participants in dog fighting) are any more likely to inappropriately bite a human being than is any other breed of dog.
I don’t disagree. My point was to show how inaccurate the “99% of pit bulls deserve a bullet” type of thinking is.
Notice I always referred to “recorded bites” and not total bites.
Pit bulls are recorded as the biting dog in about 22.5% of bites. So they are overrepresented by a factor of 3.75.
That's a perfect lesson in how to lie with statistics. Pitbull bites are many times more likely to make into a registry of bites because when they do bite, they do significantly more damage than most breeds kept as pets (which include untold millions of small dogs), and are thus many times more likely to require hospital treatment. It doesn't mean Pitbulls (particularly those owned by normal people, rather than by criminals or by participants in dog fighting) are any more likely to inappropriately bite a human being than is any other breed of dog.
I don’t disagree. My point was to show how inaccurate the “99% of pit bulls deserve a bullet” type of thinking is.
Notice I always referred to “recorded bites” and not total bites.
Yeah, I generally agree with your points, but I was just showing how it's easy to misinterpret that particular statistic.
I haven’t yet came across a pit bull owner that could rub two nickels together.
There's some truth to that. One reason is that they are the anti-burglary choice of folks who can't afford an ADT service contract.
The last thing those people want is ADT sending the police to their residence when their kilo is being stolen.
Sadly, it was due to the publication of a particular book in 1984 that the sort you're referring to first became heavily interested in Pitbulls. Prior to that, it was mainly Southern, White, rural people who owned them.
PS The book was The World of Fighting Dogs, by Carl Semencic, who I used to personally know very well. He was big into traditional black powder shooting, and we often shot together at the range. As a result of his book, the ghetto popularity of the breed soared, and the problems associated with the breed today first appeared. Prior to that, the MSM wouldn't have known what you were talking about if you mentioned the breed Pitbull to them.
I haven’t yet came across a pit bull owner that could rub two nickels together.
There's some truth to that. One reason is that they are the anti-burglary choice of folks who can't afford an ADT service contract.
The last thing those people want is ADT sending the police to their residence when their kilo is being stolen.
Sadly, it was due to the publication of a particular book in 1984 that the sort you're referring to first became heavily interested in Pitbulls. Prior to that, it was mainly Southern, White, rural people who owned them.
PS The book was The World of Fighting Dogs, by Carl Semencic, who I used to personally know very well. He was big into traditional black powder shooting, and we often shot together at the range. As a result of his book, the ghetto popularity of the breed soared, and the problems associated with the breed today first appeared. Prior to that, the MSM wouldn't have known what you were talking about if you mentioned the breed Pitbull to them.
Interesting tidbit of info. I don’t remember ever seeing the breed growing up now that you mention it.
I have USAA homeowners and personal liability coverage that follows me away from home. They never asked about animals and animal bites or attacks are not excluded.
I have USAA homeowners too, and for the last three houses I've purchased, they for sure asked me if I had any dogs who had previously bitten someone. Each and every time.
Absolutely agree. And statistics can be confusing.
Lots of ways to look at things.
Like I said. They are more likely to kill someone or seriously hurt them than all other breeds combined. Let's make it 100% deserve a bullet, just to make sure.
Your statement exceeds all others in this thread for stupidity.
Please elaborate on your profound statement.
I can't speak for Ringman, but I believe the big difference is that a rifle does not on its own decide to maim or kill someone. A dog can very well do that. Do not you agree?
A lot of people say that about AR-15s. Just sayin’….
Very true, but the AR 15 wont bolt out from under the table and maul you on its own.
As I've said before, a lot of people are against all sorts of things, but as Pat85 brought out, the dog can decide on his own to attack whereas an inanimate tool such as a firearm or axe or hammer or pitchfork cannot.
You don't have to use any stats if you just wake the fugg up and see that 99% of every serious dog attack involves a fugging Pit.
There are several problems with that statement. Firstly, it's far in excess of what is claimed by any reporting source on the subject. Secondly, what is claimed by said sources is usually contaminated by reports of non-Pitbulls (e.g., Boxers, Bulldogs, Mastiff mixes, and other mix breeds) as Pitbulls. Thirdly, the vast majority of dog bites go unreported, as they require no emergency room attention, and are simply treated, and/or an appointment is made with the family doctor.
Your statement exceeds all others in this thread for stupidity.
Please elaborate on your profound statement.
I can't speak for Ringman, but I believe the big difference is that a rifle does not on its own decide to maim or kill someone. A dog can very well do that. Do not you agree?
So…..are you saying that it’s impossible for people to control their dogs? That people are incapable of preventing a dog from attacking someone if it’s so inclined?
If that’s the case, then ALL dogs over thirty pounds should get a bullet to the head. There are examples where dogs of every larger breed (and mixed breeds of all kinds) have bitten, maimed, and killed people. As stated earlier, I was mauled severely by a 60ish pound lab/Weimaraner mix as a child. I guess all labs, all Weimaraners, and all mixed breeds with those genetics deserve a bullet?
That is similar to the logic that anti gunners use when they want to ban AR-15s - “maybe some people are responsible, but if the gun gets into the wrong hands….”.
The implications are twofold, of course. One is that gun owners are incapable of properly securing their firearms.
The second is that AR-15s are so deadly, they should all be destroyed to prevent misuse by a few.
I haven’t yet came across a pit bull owner that could rub two nickels together.
There's some truth to that. One reason is that they are the anti-burglary choice of folks who can't afford an ADT service contract.
The last thing those people want is ADT sending the police to their residence when their kilo is being stolen.
Sadly, it was due to the publication of a particular book in 1984 that the sort you're referring to first became heavily interested in Pitbulls. Prior to that, it was mainly Southern, White, rural people who owned them.
PS The book was The World of Fighting Dogs, by Carl Semencic, who I used to personally know very well. He was big into traditional black powder shooting, and we often shot together at the range. As a result of his book, the ghetto popularity of the breed soared, and the problems associated with the breed today first appeared. Prior to that, the MSM wouldn't have known what you were talking about if you mentioned the breed Pitbull to them.
He sounds like he would have been an interesting guy to meet.
What’s lost on a lot of people is that true fighting pits are the smaller dogs with heavy Terrier influence. Terrier’s tend to be dog on dog aggressive. They’re not ideal guard dogs. They’re smallish and specifically breed to be dog/small animal aggressive which is why you also read about attacks on children.
Most hood rats today seem to want the biggest “bully breed” pits that are heavy on bulldog genes. Due to those bulldog genes they tend to also be dumber less, athletic, lazy, and less aggressive.
There’s always exceptions. Especially with backyard breeders and garbage owners.
Again not necessarily relevant to the OP’s topic but most people here when they talk pits they have zero understanding of bloodlines, the range of characteristics between lines, or what they’re talking about.
It’s way too early for the victim to rule out any legal options. His healing may be slow and could become complicated. He can’t yet know how much medical care he’ll need, nor can he tell how complete his recovery will be. He may well have long term or permanent problems. His medical bills will keep coming in for a while.
Your statement exceeds all others in this thread for stupidity.
Please elaborate on your profound statement.
I can't speak for Ringman, but I believe the big difference is that a rifle does not on its own decide to maim or kill someone. A dog can very well do that. Do not you agree?
So…..are you saying that it’s impossible for people to control their dogs? That people are incapable of preventing a dog from attacking someone if it’s so inclined?
If that’s the case, then ALL dogs over thirty pounds should get a bullet to the head. There are examples where dogs of every larger breed (and mixed breeds of all kinds) have bitten, maimed, and killed people. As stated earlier, I was mauled severely by a 60ish pound lab/Weimaraner mix as a child. I guess all labs, all Weimaraners, and all mixed breeds with those genetics deserve a bullet?
That is similar to the logic that anti gunners use when they want to ban AR-15s - “maybe some people are responsible, but if the gun gets into the wrong hands….”.
The implications are twofold, of course. One is that gun owners are incapable of properly securing their firearms.
The second is that AR-15s are so deadly, they should all be destroyed to prevent misuse by a few.
I've owned quite a few dogs in my lifetime and I've never owned one that didn't occasionally get loose. It happens to almost everybody that owns dogs. If it is a non vicious dog no problem. When I hunted deer with hounds the nature of the sport ensures the dogs will be out of the control of the owner maybe even for days. That was a different time and now my state has trespass laws where it was once open range. We quit that kind of hunting years ago. Now Pits and their hybrids are used extensively in hog hunting around here and they are pretty vicious or they don't make it as hog dogs. Their nature is to bite and take down. I usually kill every pit that comes on our place but one day I picked up a 6 week old pup that somehow managed to get to our pasture unaccompanied. She was brindled and grew into a beautiful Pit bitch. One day she treed a squirrel and I shot it for a elderly lady that asked me to get her one. The dog went crazy when I got the squirrel before she did. She did not bite me but was jumping up on my shoulders trying to take the squirrel. She had a crazed look about her.
Well, Then My daughter had a baby daughter and they came for a visit and I could see the dog perk up and get into what I perceived to be an attack stance. I put her outside in the fenced yard from then on when kids were coming. The dog was wonderfully friendly with adults but if I read her correctly the little kids were about like that squirrel. Luckily she got out one day and I assume she was stolen because she would jump in a truck with anybody, so that was that.
Comparing a dangerous animal with an inanimate object is a poor analogy. I understand there are careless rifle owners just like there are careless dog owners but a rifle isn't going to dig out and go kill someone.
It’s way too early for the victim to rule out any legal options. His healing may be slow and could become complicated. He can’t yet know how much medical care he’ll need, nor can he tell how complete his recovery will be. He may well have long term or permanent problems. His medical bills will keep coming in for a while.
Florida law allows 4 years to file suit after the occurrence of such a incident.
If he doesn’t want/need the money he could donate it to the dog shelter
…or a Pitbull rescue. 😉
If it were me, any cash award would go towards having the ADA amended.
The Handicapped have to prove they're handicapped just to park their vehicles in those coveted, 'close to the door' parking spots with a special placard or license plate.
You nor I can drive a car down the road without a driver's license in our pocket supposedly proving we're capable of such a task.
A Service Dog isn't required anything that proves it's been trained to be a Service Dog?
WTF is up with that?
Very unfair to business owners and an obvious safety hazard for the public in general.
Here are a few things I've become aware of due to this incident.
ADA, the American Disability Act states this.
When entering a privately owned public place of business, Service Dogs cannot be denied entrance.
A business owner can legally ask only two questions. 1. Is this a service dog? 2. What service does he provide.
That's it, end of story. No verification has to be provided of any sort.
Dog People lie.
They just claim their mutt is a service dog if it is or not.
So in this case, the owner of the restaurant was confronted with the question of, 'was this a service dog'?
His reply was, we have no way of actually knowing so we allow all dogs.
They didn't ask.
I'd think if they did ask if the dog was a service dog before it was allowed on the premises, even if they were lied to, it'd be a sign of them doing the best they legally could to provide a safe environment for their customers.
Service dogs are highly trained and are very unlikely to bite. Most service dogs stay completely focused on their owner and their needs, not on surrounding activities or individuals.
Florida is the second highest state in the nation for dog bite insurance claims.
60% of these claims involve Pit Bulls. 80% involve unneutered dogs.
The historical dog bite insurance settlement average is $30K to $50K. High insurance settlements settlements involving nerve damage and requiring plastic surgery have ran as high as $87K.
In this case, if such a settlement was pursued and awarded, even if it was all cash 'outta pocket' it'd be meaningless for this dog owner. Equally for the victim, he don't need cash, these are not motivational numbers.
This isn't about money.
He's royally pissed that the guy wasn't taking proper care of his dog and now it's potentially going to be euthanized because of this incident. He has dogs of his own that he does take care of.
He'd rather punch the guy in the face than collect any of his money.
In this case, if such a settlement was pursued and awarded, even if it was all cash 'outta pocket' it'd be meaningless for this dog owner. Equally for the victim, he don't need cash, these are not motivational numbers.
This isn't about money.
He'd rather punch the guy in the face than collect any of his money.
He is stupid if he doesn't collect. Whether he needs it or not doesn't matter. If the dog owner is wealthy it doesn't matter. He has been badly injured by a dumbass decision to take a PIT BULL into a crowded restaurant.
He needs to be paid, and everyone could use a few extra dollars even if he gives it to a needy school kid.
The idiot that brought the dog needs to learn the consequences of stupid behavior even if the worst that happens is his insurance gets cancelled and his dog gets the needle.
You can't go beat up the dog owner, so now it is down to money. In our system anything gets reduced to money, even if your beautiful child gets mangled and killed. That is the only remedy the system has.
Sounds like your friend isn't too smart or isn't thinking straight if he lets this go for expenses only
Here are a few things I've become aware of due to this incident.
ADA, the American Disability Act states this.
When entering a privately owned public place of business, Service Dogs cannot be denied entrance.
A business owner can legally ask only two questions. 1. Is this a service dog? 2. What service does he provide.
That's it, end of story. No verification has to be provided of any sort.
Dog People lie.
I tell my help to ask what disability is the dog trained in. If they can’t answer or has to think about it then the owner is told take his dog and hit the road. Then I get bombarded with threats of lawsuits which never materialize because they are nothing but lying brokedick scumbags that can’t afford to board their dog while they go away.
He was probably some wealthy POS who spent a [bleep] ton of money there and they thought HE WAS SOMEBODY or the guy thinks he is somebody. F*** how many dog attacks does it take for businesses/people to figure out that Pitbulls are a health hazard? How many elderly people, kids and grown ass adults from their 20-50s have been killed and/or scarred for life? I hope your buddy heals up just like everyone else. I hope he does get financially set for life. I carry almost everywhere and a restaurant I would definitely be carrying. I know it would have been a tricky situation to get off a shot but damn. How did they get the dog to let go? What a [bleep] show. The restaurant is F'd if this was NOT a service dog. Putbills are "GREAT DOGS" according to their owners till they lose their Fing minds and aren't. The unfortunate thing is with many of them it is not a matter of if but when!
I doubt the dog owner is worth much more than the tires on his house.
The owner of the beast has a WATERFRONT HOME ON SANIBEL ISLAND.A quick Zillow search show most of the properties north of 500,000 Grand which isn't a whole lot. Others in the millions. Hopefully he hit the upper end of the homes. Be a nice place to live I am sure. Not for me but maybe the bitee!!
The funny thing is it wasn't Madison, WI it was in Beaver Dam about 35 miles NE of the cesspoop Madison. Unfortunately I live here but that ship is sailing in a bout a month!
Putbills are "GREAT DOGS" according to their owners till they lose their Fing minds and aren't. The unfortunate thing is with many of them it is not a matter of if but when!
You are right. The Pit puppy I found at the farm was a wonderful friendly dog that we kept in the house and treated like a member of the family with the exception that she was gated off from the bedrooms and bathrooms.
I was lucky that I got to experience her going crazed when I shot a squirrel and some weeks later I noticed real quick how she perked up when my daughter brought our baby grand daughter in one day. I truly believe she was going into attack mode when I grabbed her and put her out the door.
Dogs instinctively know how to kill. We had a half Lab/half Bassett Hound for 15 years. The only thing he ever killed was cats and only when they bothered his food, but he did it with one snap behind the skull.
Repeating: AR15s do not have a brain. They do not act on their own.
Their owners do, though.
You are a DUMBFUCK. The comparison is [bleep] STUPID at best. You are on a PRO 2ND AMENDMENT site and sound like a retarded lib. I don't give a flying [bleep] how many post you have,It just shows you don't have life outside your computer..TWAT
In that same 15 year period, how many Americans have been killed by an AR 15? That would be an interesting statistic.
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So there's nothing wrong with the logic of the liberals on guns ... they just don't have enough numbers to make their argument adequate?
I have no idea what this means.
My point is, the left rails against AR style firearms, as if they are used (by people) in every shooting in the U.S. I’ll bet more people have been killed by dogs in the last 15 years than by people using ARs.
In that same 15 year period, how many Americans have been killed by an AR 15? That would be an interesting statistic.
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So there's nothing wrong with the logic of the liberals on guns ... they just don't have enough numbers to make their argument adequate?
I have no idea what this means.
My point is, the left rails against AR style firearms, as if they are used (by people) in every shooting in the U.S. I’ll bet more people have been killed by dogs in the last 15 years than by people using ARs.
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Ahh. got it. Be honest, thats not how I first interpreted your tone.
And, Why Labs? Black Labs a problem somewhere I am not aware of?
The location they had seated the dog and its owner in the restaurant made it impossible to enter or exit the dining area without passing within reach of the dog. That's if you knew it was there to start with.
He just got out of the hospital and called me, they worked on his legs all night.
6 major bite wounds, says he's never had such pain.
He'd headed to see a girlfriend south of Tampa, took her out to dinner at a high-end restaurant.
Matradee was leading them to their table when the attack occurred. The Pit belonged to another customer, he came out from under a table and attacked him in the middle of the dining room.
Totally unprovoked, never saw it coming.
The restaurant had permitted the customer to bring his mutt in.
Paramedics hauled him to the emergency room from the restaurant.
Schits gonna go down, that restaurant and the dog owner are gonna be feeling some pain next......in their pockets.
Hopefully they get sued down to their skivvies. Might help others make the right decisions about where they take their pets.
Any dog owner with half a brain would be telling them to euthanize that dog and test it now.
A decent person would have taken that dog somewhere secluded and shot him. Pit Bull lovers are a different breed of people. Will defend the Pit breed against all evidence.
Any dog owner with half a brain would be telling them to euthanize that dog and test it now.
A decent person would have taken that dog somewhere secluded and shot him. Pit Bull lovers are a different breed of people. Will defend the Pit breed against all evidence.
No, dogs can be tested for rabies and that would remove the need for the guy to get all the shots, which would be the right thing to do. But they have to be euthanized first because the test requires brain tissue. So best to have it done where the testing would be done.
Plus, once a dog has proven you can't trust it by attacking someone, why on earth would a rational person not put it down?
No, dogs can be tested for rabies and that would remove the need for the guy to get all the shots, which would be the right thing to do. But they have to be euthanized first because the test requires brain tissue. So best to have it done where the testing would be done.
Plus, once a dog has proven you can't trust it by attacking someone, why on earth would a rational person not put it down?
All the testing, quarantine, euthanizing is in the hands of county government. We were starting into the weekend and knew we'd learn little til Monday at best.
Completely out of our hands, not much you can do.
This happened on the night of the 11th, I started this thread the next morning, the 12th.
The dog owner was not honest, and claimed the dog was current with his shots at the time of the incident so the ER didn't suggest the Rabies vax needed done.
Took a couple days to learn the truth on that.
The vax is best if it is done within 24hrs of the bite.
Once symptoms start to show that you've been infected, the vax is no longer effective.
So yesterday being at 4 days plus, and rolling into a weekend, he bit the bullet and went back to the ER to get vaxxed.
They said he should have came back immediately upon learning the dog was outta date on his shots.
I know the area where this dog lives, Racoons are common along the beaches there. This dog could have easily become infected recently without his owner having a clue.
No, dogs can be tested for rabies and that would remove the need for the guy to get all the shots, which would be the right thing to do. But they have to be euthanized first because the test requires brain tissue. So best to have it done where the testing would be done.
Plus, once a dog has proven you can't trust it by attacking someone, why on earth would a rational person not put it down?
All the testing, quarantine, euthanizing is in the hands of county government. We were starting into the weekend and knew we'd learn little til Monday at best.
Completely out of our hands, not much you can do.
This happened on the night of the 11th, I started this thread the next morning, the 12th.
The dog owner was not honest, and claimed the dog was current with his shots at the time of the incident so the ER didn't suggest the Rabies vax needed done.
Took a couple days to learn the truth on that.
The vax is best if it is done within 24hrs of the bite.
Once symptoms start to show that you've been infected, the vax is no longer effective.
So yesterday being at 4 days plus, and rolling into a weekend, he bit the bullet and went back to the ER to get vaxxed.
They said he should have came back immediately upon learning the dog was outta date on his shots.
I know the area where this dog lives, Racoons are common along the beaches there. This dog could have easily become infected recently without his owner having a clue.
Screwed up, schitty deal all the way around.
They should have cut the freaking dogs head off right there and send it to the health dept
I was once concerned about rabies after being bitten by a Boxer.
I was at the dog park with my Pitbull, throwing a ball for him. An elderly man was there with his Boxer. His Boxer had no interest in playing fetch (he'd just stare at the ball his master would throw for him, but not go after it), but my dog loved repeatedly retrieving the ball and dropping it in front of me.
The old man walked up to my dog, and my dog dropped the ball in front of him, inviting him to pick it up and throw it, which he did. When my dog came back to him to drop it in front of him again, the Boxer, in a rage, tore into him (likely jealous at his getting attention from his master). The man and I rushed in to separate them, and in the process his Boxer bit me on my hand.
The man assured me his Boxer was up on his rabies shots, but I insisted on seeing his ID, recording his name and address, and wrote down the name of the vet his dog got his rabies shot from. I went to that vet and explained what happened, and they assured me the Boxer was up to date, so I didn't take it any further.
Well, I would see how that commitment to no jury went. Drag this POS into court. Make it hurt, a lot, and for as long as possible. Then take whatever pound of flesh in whatever form you can. He needs to be unable to ever forget this. Every liable party needs the same. It needs to affect policies, behaviors, and attitudes. There was irresponsible behavior by several parties here, and all need to learn a lesson from it. No peace, no quiet for those responsible u til they have suffered enough to learn, and then they get to pay heavy fees to cement the lesson. Not so the victim can be rich. More so the next time won’t come, and devour a helpless child or similar.
The Rabies shots have shown him the light, he's contacted his attorney.
Sailboat guy is being such a d$ck it strains credulity. Time to unleash the dogs of war as the saying goes.
On the plus side, rabid dogs usually show obvious signs of debility; spasms, seizures and partial paralysis. That and the fact that the vaccine is good for a number of years, we just insist on annual on account of they’re dogs not people.
Easy for me to say but I’d be surprised if the dog was rabid.
I would be taking pictures everyday to show how the bruising looks as well as the bites themselves. That would be good to show in front of the jury. The mental aspect of this attack has to be a big part as well. That dog owner needs his bell rung!
Well, I would see how that commitment to no jury went. Drag this POS into court. Make it hurt, a lot, and for as long as possible. Then take whatever pound of flesh in whatever form you can. He needs to be unable to ever forget this. Every liable party needs the same. It needs to affect policies, behaviors, and attitudes. There was irresponsible behavior by several parties here, and all need to learn a lesson from it. No peace, no quiet for those responsible u til they have suffered enough to learn, and then they get to pay heavy fees to cement the lesson. Not so the victim can be rich. More so the next time won’t come, and devour a helpless child or similar.
If they pay and kill the dog it is over. It is hard to bring something to trial if the accused pleads guilty which they will.
The insurance will pay and there will be no trial on that.
The hard part may be to force by court order the killing of the dog if he hides it and claims it got away. Hopefully the dog is in an impoundment facility already.
Well, I would see how that commitment to no jury went. Drag this POS into court. Make it hurt, a lot, and for as long as possible. Then take whatever pound of flesh in whatever form you can. He needs to be unable to ever forget this. Every liable party needs the same. It needs to affect policies, behaviors, and attitudes. There was irresponsible behavior by several parties here, and all need to learn a lesson from it. No peace, no quiet for those responsible u til they have suffered enough to learn, and then they get to pay heavy fees to cement the lesson. Not so the victim can be rich. More so the next time won’t come, and devour a helpless child or similar.
If they pay and kill the dog it is over. It is hard to bring something to trial if the accused pleads guilty which they will.
The insurance will pay and there will be no trial on that.
The hard part may be to force by court order the killing of the dog if he hides it and claims it got away. Hopefully the dog is in an impoundment facility already.
Hastings,
His post sounds an awful lot like "no justice, no peace" to me. An exercise in burn everything related to this one particular instance, simply because someone was bit. It's a pretty simple issue.
"And according to a vaccine insert from a duck embryo rabies vaccine produced by Eli Lilly and Co. in 1973, it was thought that bites from wild animals “more frequently are followed by the development of rabies than are the bites of domestic animals,” so 21 injections in the stomach (two doses daily for seven days, followed by one daily dose for seven days) were recommended."
So it was a maximum of 21 shots over 14 days, not a month. If it was a pet dog, just 14 shots total. I got the facts a little mixed up.
Coincidentally, the episode of Wanted Dead of Alive that I watched last night involved the Steve McQueen character (Josh Randall) hunting a thwarted bank robber in order to tell him that the dog that bit him as he was exiting town (during his escape) was rabid, and that there was a new treatment for it, if he could get to a doctor within a week.
The defect in the story was that he was already showing a lot of symptoms by the time Randall was able to convince him to be taken to the doctor, by which time I think it's too late.
Weird episode, because usually he doesn't try to help bank robbers and such.
Well, I would see how that commitment to no jury went. Drag this POS into court. Make it hurt, a lot, and for as long as possible. Then take whatever pound of flesh in whatever form you can. He needs to be unable to ever forget this. Every liable party needs the same. It needs to affect policies, behaviors, and attitudes. There was irresponsible behavior by several parties here, and all need to learn a lesson from it. No peace, no quiet for those responsible u til they have suffered enough to learn, and then they get to pay heavy fees to cement the lesson. Not so the victim can be rich. More so the next time won’t come, and devour a helpless child or similar.
If they pay and kill the dog it is over. It is hard to bring something to trial if the accused pleads guilty which they will.
The insurance will pay and there will be no trial on that.
The hard part may be to force by court order the killing of the dog if he hides it and claims it got away. Hopefully the dog is in an impoundment facility already.
Hastings,
His post sounds an awful lot like "no justice, no peace" to me. An exercise in burn everything related to this one particular instance, simply because someone was bit. It's a pretty simple issue.
It is a scorched earth attitude, I admit. My wife accuses me of being a descendant of Genghis Khan sometimes, the way I think. But it is not simply because someone was bit. It is because the entitled azzwhole thought it was ok to take his unpredictable and uncontrollable dog into a restaurant full of strangers, and the restaurant thought it was fine, too. A man being bit and needing rabies shots is bad enough, although not a societal catastrophe.
What is at issue is the dog owner’s attitude and actions, and what may result from such in the future if he is not dealt with. If it had been a small child, someone might be dead. This practice of having animals that are violent and unpredictable, and then being irresponsible enough to take them into public places, is the height of stupidity and should be life changing for those dumb enough to do it and become the cause of injury or death to undeserving people. Respect for others and shame for wrongdoing needs to be reinstalled in American society, and it won’t happen unless and until we make negative behavior and attitudes so costly and painful, idiots have no choice but to adapt.
JeffA, maybe I missed it but does your friend have an attorney yet? He damn well better get one if he doesn’t. He’s getting screwed by the minute. That dog should have been taken out of the scene straight to isolation. This is all BS. Lying owner, maybe it’ll be all right, I’ll be the nice guy “adult”, and on and on. He has so far made an absolute disaster of his future well being not to mention leaving the door open for this to happen again. The dog owner has no right to any humane consideration at all. He is to be pursued like a diseased jackal and driven into the ground. Your buddy needs someone to do that for him because he sure isn’t willing to do it himself. Frat boy is laughing his azz off in his beachfront while him and the ho do another line. If you really are his friend beat him down with the truth. Take this fool out. Attorneys enjoy the blood and he should too. Never, never let anyone do you wrong for a second. Especially like this. Go for the throat.
At this point there is much that I can't post about.
I've had to leave out some of the more outrageous parts.
There's little things too, like the Emergency Room Doctor first scolding him for not immediately coming for the Rabies vax after learning the dog wasn't current on it's shots.
Followed by another Doctor telling him they only had a small amount of Rabies vaccine in inventory and felt they should save it for someone the knew for sure they'd been infected, he was just a maybe.
Lots of stressful moments involved not to even mention his personal and work related issues. Just the length of time between shots, let alone his physical capabilities has effected a entire 3 weeks of scheduling.
JeffA, maybe I missed it but does your friend have an attorney yet? He damn well better get one if he doesn’t. He’s getting screwed by the minute. That dog should have been taken out of the scene straight to isolation. This is all BS. Lying owner, maybe it’ll be all right, I’ll be the nice guy “adult”, and on and on. He has so far made an absolute disaster of his future well being not to mention leaving the door open for this to happen again. The dog owner has no right to any humane consideration at all. He is to be pursued like a diseased jackal and driven into the ground. Your buddy needs someone to do that for him because he sure isn’t willing to do it himself. Frat boy is laughing his azz off in his beachfront while him and the ho do another line. If you really are his friend beat him down with the truth. Take this fool out. Attorneys enjoy the blood and he should too. Never, never let anyone do you wrong for a second. Especially like this. Go for the throat.
You are right about getting an attorney on it right away. There are witnesses stories and evidence to secure and assets to be frozen until insurance coverage can be determined.
Some FL restaurants do allow dogs, they are permitted to do so at their descretion, by law. It all started over service dogs, then the Europeans, that bring dogs everywhere, wanted the same discretion, has gone down hill since. But there is a direct line of legal responsibility for injury and damage. We, the wife and I, do not go into any restaurant that allows any dog, except a certified service dog, with a vest and papers. With exterior posted signs by the door.
Our veternarian years ago told me he didn’t trust Rotties, Doberman’s, Pits and German Sheperds He was a Veternarian in the Army and cared for the GS in Viet Nam. Just because they might be friendly to you once, doesnt’ mean they aren’t going to take a bite of your butt. Two different neighbors behind me have them. One is super obedient, the other is a 2 year old rescue. I have petted both dogs with the owner introducing me to them.
My issue is both guys have big hanging pull ropes the dogs jump and tug and swing. That just adds to their natural tendencies to bite and tear. I think I may have to start carrying the .45 when I walk around the block!!
I was at the Connecticut Police Canine Competition last year and several breeds were represented and watched the handler go for the bad guy all padded up.
Can’t imagine what your friend endured. Hope he heals fast and finds a good lawyer.
Why would anyone pay big bucks to go to an expensive restaurant that would allow any dog in the dining room? Much less a freaking killing machine!
Originally Posted by Rapier
Some FL restaurants do allow dogs, they are permitted to do so at their descretion, by law. It all started over service dogs, then the Europeans, that bring dogs everywhere, wanted the same discretion, has gone down hill since. But there is a direct line of legal responsibility for injury and damage. We, the wife and I, do not go into any restaurant that allows any dog, except a certified service dog, with a vest and papers. With exterior posted signs by the door.
All restaurants, every place of business in the USA has to permit service dogs.
A dog is a service dog if it's owner says so.
Any questions about either of those two facts will quickly be answered by reading the 'Americans with Disability Act'. (ADA)
He just got out of the hospital and called me, they worked on his legs all night.
6 major bite wounds, says he's never had such pain.
He'd headed to see a girlfriend south of Tampa, took her out to dinner at a high-end restaurant.
Matradee was leading them to their table when the attack occurred. The Pit belonged to another customer, he came out from under a table and attacked him in the middle of the dining room.
Totally unprovoked, never saw it coming.
The restaurant had permitted the customer to bring his mutt in.
Paramedics hauled him to the emergency room from the restaurant.
Schits gonna go down, that restaurant and the dog owner are gonna be feeling some pain next......in their pockets.
So many opportunities for money to temper the pain!
That pits back should have been busted with a baseball bat till he let go then continue to bash its head in along with the owners.
Tire iron right on the brain. Then he'd let go. But they weren't committed to killing the bastard, instead they wanted to "break it up". That'll work with some dogs, but not Pits.
They don't let go without a good "brain shampoo" once their kill instinct has kicked in. Other non-firearm option is to stab him in the heart.
Didn't look like a hood either, looked like a nice development with curb and sidewalks where someone should be able to walk their dog with out being attacked.
Didn't look like a hood either, looked like a nice development with curb and sidewalks where someone should be able to walk their dog with out being attacked.
Well, hoods can look different depending on the people in them. Locally we’ve had a surprising number of typical “hood” incidents in the newer developments.
What I see is a lot of vehicles in driveways and spilling out onto the street, a lot of adults in one house.
Interesting seeing a guy trigger folks putting out what he has allegedly done to some dogs. Might be he spices it up some on the net, just for the entertainment it brings. On the other hand, enemy working dogs are the enemy too, and get what they get. Dog bites me, it dies. That way it doesn’t bite a kid later.
Never got a hard on over it, but folks threatening to whip my azz for something that wasn’t their business, that always made me smile. Overconfidence is a bitch…
Interesting seeing a guy trigger folks putting out what he has allegedly done to some dogs. Might be he spices it up some on the net, just for the entertainment it brings. On the other hand, enemy working dogs are the enemy too, and get what they get. Dog bites me, it dies. That way it doesn’t bite a kid later.
Never got a hard on over it, but folks threatening to whip my azz for something that wasn’t their business, that always made me smile. Overconfidence is a bitch…
Someone kills my dog, intentionally. It's fughking real. An ass whooping ain't even in the equation. Much more serious. It's confidence....not over confidence.
Interesting seeing a guy trigger folks putting out what he has allegedly done to some dogs. Might be he spices it up some on the net, just for the entertainment it brings. On the other hand, enemy working dogs are the enemy too, and get what they get. Dog bites me, it dies. That way it doesn’t bite a kid later.
Never got a hard on over it, but folks threatening to whip my azz for something that wasn’t their business, that always made me smile. Overconfidence is a bitch…
Someone kills my dog, intentionally. It's fughking real. An ass whooping ain't even in the equation. Much more serious. It's confidence....not over confidence.
I've become quite attached to my Labradoodle I've had 2.5 years. he is the sweetest dog ever. No way he would be aggressive with anyone. If someone killed him, it would be like someone killing one of my kids. I figure I would kill the SOB and prison be damned.
Interesting seeing a guy trigger folks putting out what he has allegedly done to some dogs. Might be he spices it up some on the net, just for the entertainment it brings. On the other hand, enemy working dogs are the enemy too, and get what they get. Dog bites me, it dies. That way it doesn’t bite a kid later.
Never got a hard on over it, but folks threatening to whip my azz for something that wasn’t their business, that always made me smile. Overconfidence is a bitch…
Great.
I guess child molesters and serial killers aren't your business either.
Self admitted cruelty to animals deserves every fugging beat down he gets.
Overconfidence? My ass.
This place is full of sockpuppets, douche nozzles, and idiots. And those who stick up for them. Glad to know which you are.
Exactly, I saw a great dane in a grocery store the other day and people were fawning over it like it was so special to see in a store . Almost as tall as a shopping cart! PEOPLE ARE SICK AZZS
I'll shoot a dog in a heartbeat if it attacks someone. And don't give a damn if it's your dog or mine. People really need to keep their dogs on their property or on a leash while out in public. We have a little 25lb dog that travels everywhere with us and loves everyone. But it's on a leash whenever we're around people, I call it being respectful.
Anyone telling a guy they don’t know from Adam on the internet that they would whip him, kill him or whatever, as if it is an indisputable fact, simply outs themselves as at best, overconfident, or perhaps just a blowhard. There is always someone meaner, better or tougher. If you haven’t found them, it’s because you never looked that far.
It has very little to do with whether the person is a good guy or not. Seen some nice guys get hammered by some bona fide POS’s. And vice versa. You hating a guy doesn’t make him weak or stupid, and won’t guarantee anything but clouding your own judgment. Well, that and you making bold claims on the internet…
Anyone telling a guy they don’t know from Adam on the internet that they would whip him, kill him or whatever, as if it is an indisputable fact, simply outs themselves as at best, overconfident, or perhaps just a blowhard. There is always someone meaner, better or tougher. If you haven’t found them, it’s because you never looked that far.
It has very little to do with whether the person is a good guy or not. Seen some nice guys get hammered by some bona fide POS’s. And vice versa. You hating a guy doesn’t make him weak or stupid, and won’t guarantee anything but clouding your own judgment. Well, that and you making bold claims on the internet…
Anyone telling a guy they don’t know from Adam on the internet that they would whip him, kill him or whatever, as if it is an indisputable fact, simply outs themselves as at best, overconfident, or perhaps just a blowhard. There is always someone meaner, better or tougher. If you haven’t found them, it’s because you never looked that far.
It has very little to do with whether the person is a good guy or not. Seen some nice guys get hammered by some bona fide POS’s. And vice versa. You hating a guy doesn’t make him weak or stupid, and won’t guarantee anything but clouding your own judgment. Well, that and you making bold claims on the internet…
Anyone telling a guy they don’t know from Adam on the internet that they would whip him, kill him or whatever, as if it is an indisputable fact, simply outs themselves as at best, overconfident, or perhaps just a blowhard. There is always someone meaner, better or tougher. If you haven’t found them, it’s because you never looked that far.
It has very little to do with whether the person is a good guy or not. Seen some nice guys get hammered by some bona fide POS’s. And vice versa. You hating a guy doesn’t make him weak or stupid, and won’t guarantee anything but clouding your own judgment. Well, that and you making bold claims on the internet…
Anyone telling a guy they don’t know from Adam on the internet that they would whip him, kill him or whatever, as if it is an indisputable fact, simply outs themselves as at best, overconfident, or perhaps just a blowhard. There is always someone meaner, better or tougher. If you haven’t found them, it’s because you never looked that far.
It has very little to do with whether the person is a good guy or not. Seen some nice guys get hammered by some bona fide POS’s. And vice versa. You hating a guy doesn’t make him weak or stupid, and won’t guarantee anything but clouding your own judgment. Well, that and you making bold claims on the internet…
Anyone telling a guy they don’t know from Adam on the internet that they would whip him, kill him or whatever, as if it is an indisputable fact, simply outs themselves as at best, overconfident, or perhaps just a blowhard. There is always someone meaner, better or tougher. If you haven’t found them, it’s because you never looked that far.
It has very little to do with whether the person is a good guy or not. Seen some nice guys get hammered by some bona fide POS’s. And vice versa. You hating a guy doesn’t make him weak or stupid, and won’t guarantee anything but clouding your own judgment. Well, that and you making bold claims on the internet…
I don’t try anyone. I do what I need to when they make it necessary, that has always worked out for me. Starting the trouble never pays.
Your dog bites me or mine, it dies. You want to double down and get stupid about that, we will deal with that as the separate issue it is. As long as your dog is nice, I tip my hat, say nice pup, and keep going. No problem. Probably never be an issue, because I have no intention of ever being in California, and your dog is probably not a biter. Sounds like a good thing for all concerned.
I have a good dog myself, love him to death. I also fenced and gated the yard so he could run it without any worries about getting himself in trouble. Folks need to understand that a dog is a dog, not a human, and look out for the pet with that in mind. Don’t put the animal in positions that it is ill-equipped to handle. And don’t place it at the same level of importance as your children, because its not. Putting it up there is a good way to seriously jack up the rest of your life.
I don’t try anyone. I do what I need to when they make it necessary, that has always worked out for me. Starting the trouble never pays.
Your dog bites me or mine, it dies. You want to double down and get stupid about that, we will deal with that as the separate issue it is. As long as your dog is nice, I tip my hat, say nice pup, and keep going. No problem. Probably never be an issue, because I have no intention of ever being in California, and your dog is probably not a biter. Sounds like a good thing for all concerned.
I have a good dog myself, love him to death. I also fenced and gated the yard so he could run it without any worries about getting himself in trouble. Folks need to understand that a dog is a dog, not a human, and look out for the pet with that in mind. Don’t put the animal in positions that it is ill-equipped to handle. And don’t place it at the same level of importance as your children, because its not. Putting it up there is a good way to seriously jack up the rest of your life.
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
Interesting seeing a guy trigger folks putting out what he has allegedly done to some dogs. Might be he spices it up some on the net, just for the entertainment it brings. On the other hand, enemy working dogs are the enemy too, and get what they get. Dog bites me, it dies. That way it doesn’t bite a kid later.
Never got a hard on over it, but folks threatening to whip my azz for something that wasn’t their business, that always made me smile. Overconfidence is a bitch…
Someone kills my dog, intentionally. It's fughking real. An ass whooping ain't even in the equation. Much more serious. It's confidence....not over confidence.
I've become quite attached to my Labradoodle I've had 2.5 years. he is the sweetest dog ever. No way he would be aggressive with anyone. If someone killed him, it would be like someone killing one of my kids. I figure I would kill the SOB and prison be damned.
You appear to be one complex human being there, parson. Lots to ponder in that one short paragraph. Sort of an evangelical/John Wick thing. 🤔
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
For the OP friend, he needs to sue for medical expenses (past, ongoing, and future), pain and suffering, lost wages, and punitive damages. If his opening offer to settle is less than a million, he's aiming too low. Have him document everything in exquisite detail.
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
The defense lawyers will use this thread as evidence when someone has to plug your vicious mutt and then you when you get froggy.
I’ve been attacked and seriously injured twice by big dogs when I was a kid, I ain’t getting bit again. I prefer smaller dogs up to heeler size, probably due to my history with attacks. I don’t hate big dogs just extra cautious around them.
I do prefer large women however, by a country mile!!
I’ve been attacked and seriously injured twice by big dogs when I was a kid, I ain’t getting bit again. I prefer smaller dogs up to heeler size, probably due to my history with attacks. I don’t hate big dogs just extra cautious around them.
I do prefer large women however, by a country mile!!
Be cautious, though. Women can be very unpredictable. 😳
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
Do you keep your dogs on your property. Do your dogs go onto cattle or sheep pastures and chase livestock? Killing someone over what your errant dog does would be a pretty risky undertaking. If a man has shot your dog he most likely is holding a rifle and has proven he knows how to shoot. I've probably shot 200 Pits and Pit hybrids on my place in 35 years. Killed 5 one day. They are naturally catch dogs and go after cattle and one year they killed all our fawns, everyone of them.
My 13 year old daughter went out in the yard with her .243W and shot the neighbors Dalmatian that was actively killing her chickens, This after their Rottweiler killed her 4H goats.
If you want your dog safe, keep him home and don't come over here brandishing firearms.
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
Do you keep your dogs on your property. Do your dogs go onto cattle or sheep pastures and chase livestock? Killing someone over what your errant dog does would be a pretty risky undertaking. If a man has shot your dog he most likely is holding a rifle and has proven he knows how to shoot. I've probably shot 200 Pits and Pit hybrids on my place in 35 years. Killed 5 one day. They are naturally catch dogs and go after cattle and one year they killed all our fawns, everyone of them.
My 13 year old daughter went out in the yard with her .243W and shot the neighbors Dalmatian that was actively killing her chickens, This after their Rottweiler killed her 4H goats.
If you want your dog safe, keep him home and don't come over here brandishing firearms.
I was just fixing to put something similar to this. quickest way to make me shoot someone's dog is for them to [bleep] with my livelihood which would be livestock.. I don't want to ever have to shoot anybody's dog. but if they make it necessary.... and then the owner's dumb enough to threaten me it's not going to work out well..
I had to cap a pit that squared up with me about three weeks ago.
Originally Posted by HoosierHawk
A lot of people say that about AR-15s.
Just sayin’….
Apples and oranges. One is an inanimate object that requires manipulation and intent by a human. The other an animated lifeform that operates autonomously with its own brain function and instincts. One can be reasoned with. The other not so much.
I’ve been attacked and seriously injured twice by big dogs when I was a kid, I ain’t getting bit again. I prefer smaller dogs up to heeler size, probably due to my history with attacks. I don’t hate big dogs just extra cautious around them.
I do prefer large women however, by a country mile!!
Be cautious, though. Women can be very unpredictable. 😳
That’s few, but ime fat chicks have fewer snakes in their heads.
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
The defense lawyers will use this thread as evidence when someone has to plug your vicious mutt and then you when you get froggy.
Prosecutors could look at it, and say it was premeditated should Sal kill someone over his dog.
You got that right. If my dog bit you I would kill it myself if you didn't and pay for whatever damages it did. Just seems like something any decent grown man would do.
Then again, I know what a woman is and the difference between dogs and babies. Seems more and more people are struggling with that as every day passes.
You got that right. If my dog bit you I would kill it myself if you didn't and pay for whatever damages it did. Just seems like something any decent grown man would do.
Then again, I know what a woman is and the difference between dogs and babies. Seems more and more people are struggling with that as every day passes.
I would do the same.
But the discussion has turned to throwing dogs out of a moving vehicle and killing it. And getting a hard on about killing dogs.
It ain't about defending yourself after those statements.
But the Fire, being the Fire, it'll get twisted 9 ways to Sunday.
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
You got that right. If my dog bit you I would kill it myself if you didn't and pay for whatever damages it did. Just seems like something any decent grown man would do.
Then again, I know what a woman is and the difference between dogs and babies. Seems more and more people are struggling with that as every day passes.
I would do the same.
But the discussion has turned to throwing dogs out of a moving vehicle and killing it. And getting a hard on about killing dogs.
It ain't about defending yourself after those statements.
But the Fire, being the Fire, it'll get twisted 9 ways to Sunday.
Gotcha. I have so many people on mental ignore that I guess I miss some of the twists. I was still stuck on the restaurant-pitbull situation.
I’m 100 percent with, shoot my dog without a good reason would get you in trouble to whatever extent it took to make it right. I absolutely understand dogs on your place, I’ve had this happen and have watched them in a scope, if they would have even looked at my cattle they wouldn’t take another step, killing a dog any dog is a unsettling thing. I hunted in E.Texas years ago, Black folk in country all had pit cross dogs running everywhere, only took a couple of times seeing deer running with tongues hanging out trying to get away from pack of dogs for us to make our mind up to shoot them all, we also made our mind up to shoot our way out of there if confronted by locals when they head all the shooting and whining from dogs, you do what is right no matter what happens.
I would never consider shooting a dog that bit me if I invaded its space or approached it in a manner that might have threatened it. It’s still a dog and doesn’t know a stranger’s intentions.
Friend of mine got a call from a neighbor one day. The friend's dog had gotten into the neighbor's chicken coop and killed every one of his hens. Said dog was now locked inside the coop and the neighbor asked what the owner was going to do about it.
It was a short conversation. Friend walked over to the neighbor's property, shot his dog, dragged the carcass away and paid for every one of those hens.
Honor was restored, and there was no chicken-schidt argument over it.
My brother shot four of five dogs that were chasing his cattle. The cattle were worth about $1000 each, and there was 40-50 being stampeded.They were mixed breed dogs that belonged to a neighbor that lived a mile away. The fifth dog escaped to the owner/neighbor. Brother drove over to the neighbor to tell him what happened. The fifth dog was in the neighbors yard. After hearing my brother explain what happened, the neighbor said kill that one also. My brother got his mini 14 and made it five for five.
I’d never shoot a dog over chickens. But I have over one attacking a bottle calf.
done that one.. right in front of the owner..
had an orphan calf in a crowd. one day sitting in the shop and I could hear this calf start squalling a bit figured the dumbass had its head stuck between the boards.. so I went out the door of the shop and just happened to be carrying a little P22 . and I could see the calf was bucking up and down in the crowd knew something was wrong so I immediately took off running. got there open the gate and there was a very large dog ( Alaskan Malamute ) and I don't remember if I shot four or five times or emptied the clip but I killed the son of a bitch it had the calf by the throat.. when I turned around to exit the corral the owner was standing right there. I first thought here comes a lawsuit in a court battle but the first words out of the lady's mouth was 'sir I am so sorry Terry (her hubby) would have done the same" she just asked that if I would dispose of the dog and return the collar and I did.. I did find out later another neighbor had already had a small issue with that dog chasing calves..
I guess I ran right past the lady and never seen her because she could have been just on the other side of some outbuildings coming up the driveway she had apparently been trying to catch the dog for about a half a mile of the distance they lived from us.. I think the whole situation was quite a shock to both of us at the time..
I’d never shoot a dog over chickens. But I have over one attacking a bottle calf.
What is the difference? A dog off his owners property killing or chasing domestic animals, or fawns, or people gets shot.
Even with the owner watching.
Louisiana law specifically allows this and exempts the killer of the dog from any criminal or civil liability.
As a matter of fact Louisiana does not have a leash law but makes it a violation of Louisiana law to allow a dog to enter the property of another person.
I’d never shoot a dog over chickens. But I have over one attacking a bottle calf.
What is the difference? A dog off his owners property killing or chasing domestic animals, or fawns, or people gets shot.
Even with the owner watching.
Louisiana law specifically allows this and exempts the killer of the dog from any criminal or civil liability.
As a matter of fact Louisiana does not have a leash law but makes it a violation of Louisiana law to allow a dog to enter the property of another person.
I’d never shoot a dog over chickens. But I have over one attacking a bottle calf.
What is the difference? A dog off his owners property killing or chasing domestic animals, or fawns, or people gets shot.
Even with the owner watching.
Louisiana law specifically allows this and exempts the killer of the dog from any criminal or civil liability.
As a matter of fact Louisiana does not have a leash law but makes it a violation of Louisiana law to allow a dog to enter the property of another person.
I do believe most everybody here with the exception of maybe two completely understand having to shoot a dog that is doing or attempting to do livestock damage. the gray area here in my opinion deals with hunting dogs now generally to most always a hunting dog passing through with no threat to livestock but they can get the livestock stirred up and cause issues. this is why most farmers and cattlemen are not a fan of hunting dogs just running through without permission.. yes I know there's only so much that I can do to control the dog that's a whole different issue. personally I'm not into shooting the hunting dogs but I am into chewing your ass out if you are deeply into the property that you do not have permission to be on.
IMO dog bites are somewhat subjective was it a small dog that's just kind of nippy or even like a healer that's a little bit nippy or was it a vicious bite and why and what location property wise was the victim and dog when it happened.. I've got a dog I am very attached to you I would absolutely feel like a couple of these guys of somebody shot the dog for no reason it would be a lot of problems. but also if my dog was doing something he should not like chasing cattle and he come up shot I would be heartbroken but would be understanding..
and I will be the first to admit just to stray Pitbull walking across the property is in grave danger... whether he did much or not.. but I don't exactly just have 20 acres I have several hundred acres in continuous tracks..
fortunately in my geographical location we do not have very much issues with this..
This is a long story, grew up in Bethany, Ok, until 14, then moved to Texas. Dad trained cutting horses part time, he had a beautiful Black gilding that stood 16 hands on our 10 acres, our place and place across road was covered in Blackjack trees, we had stables boarding others horses, I was seven years old and my job was to keep horses road and tame. I remember my dad coming in and was covered in blood, said he had to cut Blackie out of barbwire and horse was all cut up, said there was whole pack of dogs had Blackie down working on him, dad shot them off with pistol and got him to house. Dad called dog pound and before long pickups started showing up with men and shotguns, they went into woods across road and man, shooting, yelling, yipping, for a seven year old this was like the old west !! Anyway they started dragging dogs out from terriers to shepherds, about 10 or 12 altogether, funny thing was several men were bleeding all over, daddy told me they got scared in them trees , dogs running everywhere and them blasting away, damn what a sight, felt sorry for them, but funny too, this was in 1962 , Dale Robinson place was just down the road, good times.
My dad adhered to a rule: a dog bite is a one and done affair no questions. His rationale being a dog that bites has crossed a line and cannot be trusted again.
My dad adhered to a rule: a dog bite is a one and done affair no questions. His rationale being a dog that bites has crossed a line and cannot be trusted again.
This is where I am at ^^^^^^ ... I have had outdoor dogs over the years. And my dogs used to visit the neighbors and their dogs. Neighbors always got along with my dogs. But, I always told them, if there was any issue, shoot the dog. There is no dog worth having neighbor problems over. Especially a bite. Love my dogs. But they are just that, a dog.
Had a fully trained, expensive for me, pointing chocolate lab, 4 years old and pretty good on upland birds. Coming home from a quail hunt in Kansas my hunting partner reached into the back seat to pet him and got his hand bit. Dropped the friend at the first hospital we came to and took the dog to the vet clinic we had passed on the way into the town, had him put down. No need to wait until we got home and prolong the inevitable, my rule is bite once and your done.
Not surprising that the same people who think their dog is equal to a human also think they can just punch a man’s ticket or teach him the error of his ways because they feel like it. Because anyone they are mad at is frozen in place and helpless, I guess. And, of course, the law wouldn’t have anything to say about it either, assuming things went like they expected…
Not surprising that the same people who think their dog is equal to a human also think they can just punch a man’s ticket or teach him the error of his ways because they feel like it. Because anyone they are mad at is frozen in place and helpless, I guess. And, of course, the law wouldn’t have anything to say about it either, assuming things went like they expected…
Wonder what the law says about cruelty to animals?
Any animals you have to kill ought to have a quick and painless death.
My high school ag teacher told a story one time about an old man that had some hogs. Some neighbor's 3 or 4 mutts got into the pen and killed a couple and chewed up others. Old man drove around till he found the dogs and shot them in the neighbor's yard. Then he hung them on the fence posts like you would a coyote. The cops paid the old man a visit after that.
Some years ago some pits living next door to my brother. After being acquainted for about 3 years they dug under the fence and came over for lunch. They ripped off an ear and large portion of one side of his face.
I dropped by for a visit after bro was released from the hospital. Day 2 and I hopped in the p’up to run an errand. His home is about 100 yds from the road and as I slowed down the pack of pits swarmed my truck. Windows were only partially open, so I stopped. They were fascinated by my Colt Woodsman. It barked at the 3 times and there were no survivors.
Put them in the truck bed and fed them to some gators.
Some years ago some pits living next door to my brother. After being acquainted for about 3 years they dug under the fence and came over for lunch. They ripped off an ear and large portion of one side of his face.
I dropped by for a visit after bro was released from the hospital. Day 2 and I hopped in the p’up to run an errand. His home is about 100 yds from the road and as I slowed down the pack of pits swarmed my truck. Windows were only partially open, so I stopped. They were fascinated by my Colt Woodsman. It barked at the 3 times and there were no survivors.
Put them in the truck bed and fed them to some gators.
Some years ago some pits living next door to my brother. After being acquainted for about 3 years they dug under the fence and came over for lunch. They ripped off an ear and large portion of one side of his face.
I dropped by for a visit after bro was released from the hospital. Day 2 and I hopped in the p’up to run an errand. His home is about 100 yds from the road and as I slowed down the pack of pits swarmed my truck. Windows were only partially open, so I stopped. They were fascinated by my Colt Woodsman. It barked at the 3 times and there were no survivors.
Put them in the truck bed and fed them to some gators.
Holy crap! Was your brother scarred up from that ordeal?
Some years ago some pits living next door to my brother. After being acquainted for about 3 years they dug under the fence and came over for lunch. They ripped off an ear and large portion of one side of his face.
I dropped by for a visit after bro was released from the hospital. Day 2 and I hopped in the p’up to run an errand. His home is about 100 yds from the road and as I slowed down the pack of pits swarmed my truck. Windows were only partially open, so I stopped. They were fascinated by my Colt Woodsman. It barked at the 3 times and there were no survivors.
Put them in the truck bed and fed them to some gators.
Not surprising that the same people who think their dog is equal to a human also think they can just punch a man’s ticket or teach him the error of his ways because they feel like it. Because anyone they are mad at is frozen in place and helpless, I guess. And, of course, the law wouldn’t have anything to say about it either, assuming things went like they expected…
Wonder what the law says about cruelty to animals?
Any animals you have to kill ought to have a quick and painless death.
You are just another suckpuppet.
[bleep] off.
Hmmm. Animals deserve a quick and painless death. (I agree, by the way, and damn near everything I have ever killed has dropped in its tracks. That goes for EVERY dog of mine and most others.) But someone you are all emotionally worked up about deserves a beating with a pipe or their head cut off. Or maybe just taught the error of their ways in some violent manner. If you can get it done, of course. And that is an if, whether you believe it or not. Name calling online is a world away from giving out a beatdown. And we all watched you ask for a location, get one and an invite, and then crawfish as fast as you could, still calling names and spewing schit. Easy to be an azzwhole on the internet. Not as easy on the street. But I bet you know that.
Not surprising that the same people who think their dog is equal to a human also think they can just punch a man’s ticket or teach him the error of his ways because they feel like it. Because anyone they are mad at is frozen in place and helpless, I guess. And, of course, the law wouldn’t have anything to say about it either, assuming things went like they expected…
Wonder what the law says about cruelty to animals?
Any animals you have to kill ought to have a quick and painless death.
You are just another suckpuppet.
[bleep] off.
Hmmm. Animals deserve a quick and painless death. (I agree, by the way, and damn near everything I have ever killed has dropped in its tracks. That goes for EVERY dog of mine and most others.) But someone you are all emotionally worked up about deserves a beating with a pipe or their head cut off. Or maybe just taught the error of their ways in some violent manner. If you can get it done, of course. And that is an if, whether you believe it or not. Name calling online is a world away from giving out a beatdown. And we all watched you ask for a location, get one and an invite, and then crawfish as fast as you could, still calling names and spewing schit. Easy to be an azzwhole on the internet. Not as easy on the street. But I bet you know that.
Not surprising that the same people who think their dog is equal to a human also think they can just punch a man’s ticket or teach him the error of his ways because they feel like it. Because anyone they are mad at is frozen in place and helpless, I guess. And, of course, the law wouldn’t have anything to say about it either, assuming things went like they expected…
Wonder what the law says about cruelty to animals?
Any animals you have to kill ought to have a quick and painless death.
You are just another suckpuppet.
[bleep] off.
Hmmm. Animals deserve a quick and painless death. (I agree, by the way, and damn near everything I have ever killed has dropped in its tracks. That goes for EVERY dog of mine and most others.) But someone you are all emotionally worked up about deserves a beating with a pipe or their head cut off. Or maybe just taught the error of their ways in some violent manner. If you can get it done, of course. And that is an if, whether you believe it or not. Name calling online is a world away from giving out a beatdown. And we all watched you ask for a location, get one and an invite, and then crawfish as fast as you could, still calling names and spewing schit. Easy to be an azzwhole on the internet. Not as easy on the street. But I bet you know that.
Oh, calling you a sockpuppet offends you?
Lets see... You join years ago and try to make your bones in the other forums. Then go dormant for 7 years....Then all of the sudden, this year you post hundreds of posts in the Campfire, where you never ventured before... LOL.
Yep, I call 'em as I see 'em. Smells like Larry Root to me. No photos. Nothing but bluster and gaslighting. If not Larry Root, or Maser, or Stoolhead...(They are the top 3 trolls here)..then some other douche that's been banned multiple times, but can't get a life of their own.
Don't agree with me?
How about you post up some photos showing us all how wrong I am..?
Holy crap! Was your brother scarred up from that ordeal?
If I owned those dogs I woulda shot them myself.
Scarred? Oh yeah. The right side of his face was pealed back but not entirely removed, top of his right ear gone. Cleaned up, reattached and he healed better than expected. Some damage to the neurological network, a bit of droop here and there. 40 years +/- has made the damage less than obvious.
Hunts, I multitask fairly well, but driving and tossing pits on the highway is above my skill set. I like the idea nonetheless.
Any links to a news story proving this story is real and not fantasy? I googled Tampa restaurant dog attack and got zilch.
Once the litigation process is over I'll post the details.
I'll even let you know how much it cost the Pit owner to take his known problemed breed dog into a crowded public place.
I did post a couple photos but you'd had to been quick to see them. Had them up and back down in a flash.
No media or law enforcement were called to the scene, the attack occurred, my friend went directly to the ER and the dog owner put his mutt in his car and left.
Animal Control in the county the attack occurred in and in the Pit owners home county mandatorily became involved due to either hospital policy or possibly law once he was emitted in the ER.
There is/was video recorded by the restaurants security cameras that I was teased with being able to obtain but the restaurant chose not to share that after the fact, much like the Pit owner hid the dog from Animal Control for Rabies observation.
Pretty obvious reasons why they'd both do that with the liabilities involved.
There were plenty of witnesses and the Pit owner produced ID at the scene which was photographed and even sent bogus Rabies vaccination info after the fact but it's all in the hands of Lawyers now.
I will say this, a National law firm that employs 831 attorneys and is ranked 63rd in the United States didn't hesitate to take the case.
Of course it'd never gone into litigation if my friend didn't have to go through getting vaccinated for Rabies due to the owner refusing to let Animals Control observed his unvaccinated Pitbull for Rabies.
That stupid move got himself and the restaurant tangled up in a undefendable liability law suit.
I highly doubt anyone here could “teach me the error of my ways”, many have tried.
Thanks for the early morning humor though.
LOL.
Well, Dog Killer,... Another delusional post from you. What a surprise.
If you've done all you say you've done you must be an old bastard.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Hells yeah on the video. Johnnyloco dog killer since 1974 when I threw a hunting dog that bit me outta da truck bed onto the highway!
I bet I’ve killed 500 dogs to include enemy working dogs.
Gives me a hard on !
But if I saw you kill a dog by throwing it out of a moving vehicle, I'd still slap a hair lip on you.
Just another blowhard sockpuppet.
But I'll afford you the same courtesy of viewing any photos you may post of your exceptional exploits and outdoor adventures.... But we all know we'd be here a long time waiting for that.
I’m not young but I’m as good once as I ever was…Sissy
Sissy. Yeah, that's me. You know me well.
Say, the Bandera Co. sheriff there is an old running buddy of mine.
If you've killed 500 dogs, as you say, and even thrown them out of moving vehicles, maybe Ol' Dan ought to look into any cases of animal cruelty, or dog killing cases they may have, past or present?
Forget the sheriff. Go deal with it yourself as you were so eager to do before you had a location and an invite. No sense adding snitch to your already growing list of deficiencies. Or better yet, stop your blustering and name calling, and go do something productive. Never seen such immature behavior from old men as around here. WTF.
I will say this, a National law firm that employs 831 attorneys and is ranked 63rd in the United States didn't hesitate to take the case.
Of course they didn’t hesitate, the restaurant more than likely has 1,000,000 liability insurance policy. They’re not banking on the pit owner having two nickels to rub together.
Fans, huh? You shouldn’t show so much about yourself. It’s unbecoming. But funny.
I remember someone way back in second grade telling me something similar after I pissed them off. Something like, “nobody likes you, anyway”. My friends and I laughed and laughed. Thanks for the memory.
Are you gonna call him or just sit there and look stupid? Let me know where he wants to meet.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
I’m not young but I’m as good once as I ever was…Sissy
Sissy. Yeah, that's me. You know me well.
Say, the Bandera Co. sheriff there is an old running buddy of mine.
If you've killed 500 dogs, as you say, and even thrown them out of moving vehicles, maybe Ol' Dan ought to look into any cases of animal cruelty, or dog killing cases they may have, past or present?
Threw the dog outta da truck in Alabama in about 1973, killed the majority of my dogs on military missions, and in Bandera county, I was the guy with the blue plastic swimming pool in my truck bed to throw the dogs in and disposed of them per the Sheriff’s orders.
Yep, sit there and look stupid…I’m sure of it
Tell him he might wanna Check with ole “Secret Squirrel”(got shot with a 44 mag in the vest) or JM Clements (AF Dog Handler), or the Game warden (AF dog handler) before he meets me. He might wanna check with an ole Sheriff that toted a Ruger Mini-14 in his truck (too funny), the one that showed up the majority of the times I called.
You sure hold dangerous dogs in high regard Mr. Puss Nutts. You have an affectionate attitude toward meth lab dogs Mr Puss Nutts. You sure seem to not know the laws of at large dogs in Bandera County Mr. Puss Nutts
Threw the dog outta da truck in Alabama in about 1973, killed the majority of my dogs on military missions, and in Bandera county, I was the guy with the blue plastic swimming pool in my truck bed to throw the dogs in and disposed of them per the Sheriff’s orders.
Yep, sit there and look stupid…I’m sure of it
Tell him he might wanna Check with ole “Secret Squirrel”(got shot with a 44 mag in the vest) or JM Clements (AF Dog Handler), or the Game warden (AF dog handler) before he meets me. He might wanna check with an ole Sheriff that toted a Ruger Mini-14 in his truck (too funny), the one that showed up the majority of the times I called.
You sure hold dangerous dogs in high regard Mr. Puss Nutts. You have an affectionate attitude toward meth lab dogs Mr Puss Nutts. You sure seem to not know the laws of at large dogs in Bandera County Mr. Puss Nutts
LOL.
You and your sockpuppet defender keep going with justifying what you posted your own self, as well as changing your story, gaslighting, projecting, and lying.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Hells yeah on the video. Johnnyloco dog killer since 1974 when I threw a hunting dog that bit me outta da truck bed onto the highway!
I bet I’ve killed 500 dogs to include enemy working dogs.
Gives me a hard on !
More and more interesting, but still horseshit. I rank stolen valor right up there with animal cruelty on the scum scale.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
You sure hold dangerous dogs in high regard Mr. Puss Nutts. You have an affectionate attitude toward meth lab dogs Mr Puss Nutts. You sure seem to not know the laws of at large dogs in Bandera County Mr. Puss Nutts
There you are lyin'. Again.
I don't hold dangerous dogs in high regard, and have defended myself and my property/livestock from them many times in the past.
But I didn't throw them out of a moving vehicle, or get a hard on when having to put down a dog. Those are YOUR words, dumbass. Own them.
I've shot 2 dogs that were harassing my cattle and another one that was trying to kill a calf. Didn't think twice about it. I was running purebred Angus at the time so their worth was at least 3x of commercial cattle. Had to put my cousins heeler down that attacked his show sheep. I've had hunting and cattle dogs my whole life. I think when you experience life and death on the farm on a regular basis, these things like having to put down a dog becomes easier.
I ain’t double talking, dufus. I do and say what I do, and I mean it when I say or do it. I get a hard on about many things and fugging up a bad dog is one of them
The “Stolen Valor” thang is even funnier.
I did think you were just gonna look stupid pansy ass
I ain’t double talking, dufus. I do and say what I do, and I mean it when I say or do it. I get a hard on about many things and fugging up a bad dog is one of them
Yeah. Tell us again about you not double talking... First it was 1974. Now it's 1973 in a different state.
Don't worry. The statute of limitations is up on that one... LOL.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Threw the dog outta da truck in Alabama in about 1973,
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Johnnyloco dog killer since 1974 when I threw a hunting dog that bit me outta da truck bed onto the highway!
Your name calling is about on a 2nd grade level. You need to step up your game with that, being as a continue to rub sand into your little cunny.
Probably rubbed sand in your momma’s cunny. So I’m off a year, long time ago pansy.
The only crime in any of my civil dog terminations is the dog owners. I just do what I had to do. Funny, only one owner wanted to be a bad ass and by the time animal control and the sheriff got through with him, he declared it “weren't his dog” after all.
Sal - I consider you one of the "good guys" BUT when it comes down to animal vs. human welfare - animals come in a distant second place. No matter whose critters.
No.
It s not even negotiable. They kill my dog,...the are gonna risk death. With everything I can throw at them.
So if your dog attacked someones child unprovoked and it got popped, youre going after them?
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