Judge Kleeh, a Donald Trump appoint... the Northern District of West Virginia.

Watch the Drumbeat start - "Easy Access to Guns"

But then that is what 'Shall not be infringed' means......

A federal judge in Virginia on May 11, 2023 also ruled that 18 to 20 year olds had the right to purchase a handgun under the 2nd amendment, but nothing has change in Virginia or any other state that I know of. I suspect this ruling will be ignored also.

Yeah, the left only raises mobs to empower decisions with which they agree. This will be kept quiet.

Let 'em say what they want because they'd say it anyway.
If someone's old enough to fight for this country, they're old enough to buy a handgun.

Yep, the Founders wanted a wide distribution of firearms, the better to deter tyranny.

Old men from their Ivory Towers want to ban 18-20 aged people from buying a firearm....or a beer but think nothing of sending the youngsters off to die in a country that's not worth a pile of dog s hit!! We need a RECKONING!!

The left does not respect or follow the Constitution. It's past time conservatives understood that.

This law was so stupid, and it's great that it's overturned.

When I was 19, I got my NYS permit to purchase, own, and carry handguns concealed. In NYS, you need that permit to do any of the above. When it arrived in the mail, I went right to the local gun shop and tried to buy my first handgun (a stainless Ruger Speed Six), but was told that it was against Federal law for them to sell one to me. However, I was informed, Federal law didn't prohibit me from receiving one as a gift.

The gun store owner, therefore, arranged for one of his salesman (who also happened to be a cop) to purchase it and give it to me as a gift. I also gave that man a commensurate gift of cash. No law against exchanging gifts, after all, LOL.

It's nice that young people don't have to go through these types of methods to get around that stupid law anymore.

The very definition of a strawman purchase...

A Washington State SC ruling on the subject turning down the right for buying handguns under 21 included a desenting opinion. The Judge pointed out many things including the surprising number of 14 year olds earning the Medal of Honor.

Lots of things were different in the old days. Fathers routinely bought guns and handed them to kids. Kids hunted alone regardless of the legal technicalities. Shucks, kids HAD fathers. That itself was pretty different.

I remember one kid, 15 at the time, who saved his grass cutting money and bought a 700 BDL 30-06. Negotiated the deal himself and his dad picked it up for him. He wishes he still had that gun….. Times were different. 🫤

Our 20 year old daughter and her fiancée both want to buy handguns.

They work, pay taxes, make the payments on their cars, phones, house(they are remodeling). He is registered with the selective service. And would be draft eligible.
They don't drink, or use any drugs.



Why in the hell can't these two buy guns?


They are "Better Citizens" than most.

They may have changed the definition since then, but at the time, at least, it wasn't a straw purchase unless the end recipient was otherwise unqualified to own or possess a handgun.

You might be "misremembering" those details. I grew up in NY and could not get a permit until I was 21.

The definition of straw purchase:

It doesn't matter why the person is legally unable to buy it. It might be age or a criminal record or maybe citizenship.

I got my N.Y. state pistol permit when I was 19 years old as well, back in 1975...

Yes, I remember when they changed the definition to that, but forty years ago, you had to be legally ineligible to own/possess it as a condition for it being an illegal straw purchase.

Yep, definitely not misremembering. I remember it quite clearly.

You must be quite a bit older then. I'm 68.

You are going to need some serious proof to claim that. There have been arguments like yours for a long time... all are legally discredited.A parent or guardian can buy guns for their kids and that is absolutely not a straw man purchase.

It was (is) at the discretion of the county judge in NY. They may issue them at 18, but most don’t. I remember a kid who was a student of mine getting his permit at 18, but his father had to buy his pistol for him. The judge cited the fact that he was an Eagle Scout in approving the permit.

In '83 I was on my second FFL and started my third version in '85. I distinctly remember the concept of straw purchasers from the beginning. It was not until the late '90s that a major push was made about chasing them. The more recent ruling on the Glock fiasco which went against the uncle/nephew team did not change the law, it simply relied upon the facts and law as it existed.

I am not challenging the basic story. I believe you. But I know the law did not change. Just the basic understanding by the general public as it was clarified.

Abramski

Agreed. It was clarified at some point later by court decisions. Prior to that, it was only applied in cases where the end recipient was legally barred from possession, and that was how the law was explained to anyone who, at that time, asked an attorney or police authority about it.

As long as no money exchanges hands?

Regardless, the law is now null and void, which is great, and as it should be. What part of Shall Not Be Infringed didn't they get to start with?