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chavez kicks our ambassador out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us
World tensions are getting worse by the day, Russia would like to re-kindle the cold-war, and we seemed to be bound and determined to put a half senile old man and a hockey mom in the highest office. That�s just great!


Phil
Yes, and a half arab Marxist would be a better choice? Get real.
So you are planning to vote Barry then? Trying to avoid another "failure of empathy" perhaps.....
I�m pretty much fed up with the whole damn bunch of them! Plan on re-registering as a decline to state, and let things fall where they will.



If you are concerned about the Russians and Chavez, you want McCain. Period.
Of course Chavez is making noise...oil prices are going down and he is totally dependent on oil income to support his internal policies and encourage other marxists in the region. The increase in world's commodity prices(grain,foodstuffs and metals) would cause him severe internal problems as he has instituted price controls and other methods. If oil prices were to drop into the $75 dollar a barrel range and other commodities prices were to remain where they are at or go higher his little Bolivarian socialist experiment would die a quick death.
Chavez is acting like a typical banana republic dictator and he has found a willing accomplice in Putin who is trying to improve Russia's situation at a time of perceived western vulnerability.
"half senile old man "?

I doubt that you know the man.
Watch him a bit. When he is answering questions, 'off the cuff', his answers are sharp. Even if you or I don't agree with the answers.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
World tensions are getting worse by the day, Russia would like to re-kindle the cold-war, and we seemed to be bound and determined to put a half senile old man and a hockey mom in the highest office. That�s just great!

Phil


Phil, I often thought that if all leaders of every country had real experience in a shooting war there would be a lot fewer wars started -- these are the guys who know how bad it is and would try hardest to avoid war.

Just sayin' that McCain was in a real shooting war, spent time as POW... I don't think he will lead your country into a war without thinking long and hard about it. I have seen no evidence that Obammy is able to think long and hard about anything -- the man is a walking sound bite.

I've also seen McCain interviewed (i.e. no possibility of just reading a cleverly-crafted speech from a teleprompter like Obammy) and McCain is far from senile -- he has exhibited a quick sharp wit many times.

'Tis true that he is no friend of the gun owners, but Palin is better and if that "senile old man" is unable to serve out his term she will...

As a watcher of American politics, I don't think McCain is the best his party could have put forward. However, I am totally amazed that Obammy is where he is! I do not understand how anybody can anybody look at his record and consider him a leader in any way...

John
Chavez is every bit the thug a young Che was. It's painfully obvious that just like Che, Hugo has got a man crush on Fidel
I hear some Venezuelans are feeling like they are akin to Georgians, they might want us to go in and partition off a couple of independent states for them.
Originally Posted by Blaine
If you are concerned about the Russians and Chavez, you want McCain. Period.

Amen!

Even if we indeed went into war with McCain, we'd at least beat the shiit out of our enemies even if they did the same to us.

The frikkin 'Magic negro' would probably invite them in to "talk" - and then capitulate - without firing a single shot!

Originally Posted by Barkoff
Chavez is every bit the thug a young Che was. It's painfully obvious that just like Che, Hugo has got a man crush on Fidel

The idea once floated by Pat robertson, to send a "SOG" team after him seems more and more reasonable - if it saves the US a war. wink
The reason that's never been done is it open up the whole validity of state sponsored assassination of political leaders. Like sending in a Spetnatz team to what our president. Right now we only have nut jibs for presidential assassins, and they have a mixed record. I doubt the secret service want to have to deal with pros.

You think we have annoying security now. Wait until there's a state sponsored assassination attempt.
Originally Posted by 1akhunter
I hear some Venezuelans are feeling like they are akin to Georgians, they might want us to go in and partition off a couple of independent states for them.


Interesting. Do you have a source?
Chavez nationalized radio stations to silence the opposition. A classic Marxist move.
Kinda funny that Chavez would threaten to stop selling us oil. It would do much more damage to his country than to ours.
I think he's planning to sell to China. We aren't the only market any more, and China is building tankers. Unless we plan on a blockade, he'll probably be fine. There's a ready market for oil all over the world. Oil, like money, has no national loyalties.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
I�m pretty much fed up with the whole damn bunch of them! Plan on re-registering as a decline to state, and let things fall where they will.


Phil, if you're willing to let things fall where they might, then why make any political comments at all? Or register to vote? If you truly don't give a shirt, just plop yourself down in front of the tube and accept what they tell you on the "news."

But don't cop the attitude that you're somehow superior because you think you're above it all. All that attitude shows is how far underneath it all you actually are.
Originally Posted by Tod
The reason that's never been done is it open up the whole validity of state sponsored assassination of political leaders. Like sending in a Spetnatz team to what our president. Right now we only have nut jibs for presidential assassins, and they have a mixed record. I doubt the secret service want to have to deal with pros.

You think we have annoying security now. Wait until there's a state sponsored assassination attempt.


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Exactly, if we can get to their political leaders, they can get to ours.
I don't think it would be a quick change for him to make up the difference in losing the US and selling to China.
Since Chavez kicked out all the experts and nationalized the oil industry his production is FALLING. Less production and falling prices...OUCH! And switching to selling to China would be more difficult than you think.
Darn it, things are looking bad. I suspect any good "Community Organizer", could handle it !!!! ho ho ho
countries jostling for position is new?

good grief.

it's NEVER been different.

chavez is toast in a year or two no matter how many boat shows and air shows he sponsors ...

NEW YORK (AP) -- Citgo will be allowed to pull 250,000 barrels of oil from the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve because of its inability to secure enough crude in the aftermath of Hurricane Gustav.

Venezuela's government-controlled Citgo Petroleum Corporation said Tuesday that supplies to its refinery in Lake Charles were cut off when the Calcasieu Ship Channel closed.

The U.S. Energy Department granted the request late Tuesday, so far the only request for fuel from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

The reserve is an emergency depot maintained by the Energy Department and can hold as much as 727 million barrels of oil in salt caverns along the Gulf of Mexico.

Citgo=Venezuela....WTF...go tell them to pound sand.
Any wonder why all those terrorist countries want BO to win? They KNOW that they will not get any resistance from Barry "No Juevos" OsamaObamma! He'll challenge them to a game of tiddly winks to settle issues!

greyghost fence walkers always fall off! BO would sell us out to the Useless Nations in a NY second if given the chance! You need an optirectomy!
We are sitting on undrilled oil, depending on the likes of chavez to sell us his oil. I keep saying, folks won't pull their head out, until gas goes to 10.00 a gallon.
News Flash: from the nyt

Democrats embrace offshore drilling
After decades of opposition, $4 a gallon gasoline has rewritten the political equation on Capitol Hill.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/28268524.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUJ

I'm sure they always did embrace drilling, they were just misundstood.
I think it's time to bring most of our military home and prepair for a big fight. We are too spread out.MAybe it's time to revive the militia concept and train young boys/men to shoot.
All we have to do is ignore Venezuela and let it decline all by itself. The 'soft diplomacy' that the Fourth Fleet seems to be emphasizing is the correct method. Let the Russians and Venezuelans practice all they want.
So the US starts drilling ANWAR and off shore, retrofit our cars and trucks to Natural Gas, stop buying oil from Chavez, or the middle east except at the prices WE want to pay. I really doubt the Russians or even the Chinese will prop them up for long.

Where do you guy's come up with all this BS, some one doesn't agree with you and all of a sudden they have and attitude? Some one publicly say�s their fed up with the way the Republican Party has been operating.. And all of a sudden I get a statement like this;

"But don't cop the attitude that you're somehow superior because you think you're above it all. All that attitude shows is how far underneath it all you actually are".


Rocky-Rabb, I�d say it�s you that needs your [bleep] head examined!


Phil
Originally Posted by Greyghost

Where do you guy's come up with all this BS, some one doesn't agree with you and all of a sudden they have and attitude? Some one publicly say�s their fed up with the way the Republican Party has been operating.. And all of a sudden I get a statement like this;

"But don't cop the attitude that you're somehow superior because you think you're above it all. All that attitude shows is how far underneath it all you actually are".


Rocky-Rabb, I�d say it�s you that needs your [bleep] head examined!


Phil


me too Phil. You seem to have a serious attitude problem.
Well to each their own.

All you follow-bees, just keep on your path.



Phil
Originally Posted by watch4bear
We are sitting on undrilled oil, depending on the likes of chavez to sell us his oil. I keep saying, folks won't pull their head out, until gas goes to 10.00 a gallon.


Companies won't drill unless they can make a profit. If oil costs more to drill and refine than it can be sold for, it isn't going to happen. Oil companies aren't in the business to provide cheap oil. They are in the business to make a profit.

A lot of the wells capped here in Montana are because you can't make money drilling unless gas is over $4 a gallon.

I doesn't matter one bit how much oil there is. It only matters how much it costs to get it, process it and sell it. If you can't do that at a profit, no one is going to do it.
hey phil, why don't ya just go down a buy a tankful of Citgo gas?
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