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A Wisconsin judge has decided � in a fight over families' access to milk from cows they own � that Americans "do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow."

The ruling comes from Circuit Court Judge Patrick J. Fiedler in a court battle involving a number of families who owned their own cows, but boarded them on a single farm.

The judge said the arrangement is a "dairy farm" and, therefore, is subject to the rules and regulations of the state of Wisconsin.

"It's always a surprise when a judge says you don't have the fundamental right to consume the foods of your choice," said Pete Kennedy, president of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, which worked on the case on behalf of the farmers and the owners of the milk-producing cows.

The judge's original ruling came in a consolidation of two cases that presented similar situations: Cows being maintained and milked on farms for the benefit of non-resident owners. He refused to grant a summary judgment declaring such arrangements legitimate, deciding instead to favor the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection, which opposed them.

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"Plaintiffs argue that they have a fundamental right to possess, use and enjoy their property and therefore have a fundamental right to own a cow, or a heard (sic) of cows, and to use their cow(s) in a manner that does not cause harm to third parties. They argue that they have a fundamental right to privacy to consume the food of their choice for themselves and their families and therefore have a fundamental right to consume unpasteurized milk from their cows," the judge wrote.

Bunk, he concluded.

"They do not simply own a cow that they board at a farm. Instead, plaintiffs operate a dairy farm. If plaintiffs want to continue to operate their dairy farm then they must do so in a way that complies with the laws of Wisconsin."

He cited an earlier consent decree involving one of the farm locations, which had been accused of being the source of a "Campylobachter jejuni infection" and said there are state reasons to require standards and licenses.

Identifying the cases as the "Grassway plaintiffs" and the "Zinniker plaintiffs," the judge said both were in violation of state rules and regulations.

It was, however, when the plaintiffs petitioned the judge for a "clarification" of his order that he let fly his judicial temperament.

"The court denied plaintiffs' motion for summary judgment, which means the following:

"(1) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow or a diary (sic) herd;
"(2) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow;
"(3) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to board their cow at the farm of a farmer;
"(4) no, the Zinniker plaintiffs' private contract does not fall outside the scope of the state's police power;
"(5) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume the foods of their choice; and
"(6) no, the DATCP did not act in an ultra vires manner because it had jurisdiction to regulate the Zinniker plaintiffs' conduct."

"It is clear from their motion to clarify that the plaintiffs still fail to recognize that they are not merely attempting to enforce their 'right' to own a cow and board it at a farm. Instead, plaintiffs operate a dairy farm," he wrote.

Kennedy said the ruling is outlandish.

"Here you have a situation where a group of people, a couple of individuals, boarded their cows which they wholly owned, with Zinniker farms, and paid them a fee for the boarding."

He continued, "The judge said people have no fundamental right to acquire, possess and use your own property."

The dispute is part of a larger battle going on between private interests and state and federal regulators over just exactly who makes the decision on the difference between a privately held asset and a commercial producer.

The Los Angeles Times recently profiled a case in which prosecutors had arrested the owner of a health food market and two others on charges of allegedly illegally producing unpasteurized dairy products.

The arrests of James Cecil Stewart, Sharon Ann Palmer and Eugenie Bloch just a few weeks ago advanced the government's crackdown on the sale of so-called raw dairy products.

But Fiedler's arguments weren't unique.

Attorneys for the federal government have argued in a lawsuit still pending in federal court in Iowa that individuals have no "fundamental right" to obtain their food of choice.

The brief was filed early in 2010 in support of a motion to dismiss a lawsuit filed by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund over the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's ban on the interstate sale of raw milk.

"There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds," states the document signed by U.S. Attorney Stephanie Rose, assistant Martha [bleep] and Roger Gural, trial attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice.

"Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish," the government has argued.

WND has reported several times on fed crackdowns on producers of raw milk for friends and neighbors, including when agents arrived to inspect a private property belonging to Dan Allgyer in Pennsylvania at 5 a.m.

The Iowa case alleges the federal restrictions on raw milk are a violation of the U.S. Constitution, according to a report at Natural News.

The federal attorneys want the case dismissed.

"The interest claimed by plaintiffs could be framed more narrowly as a right to 'provide themselves and their families with the foods of their own choice,'" the government document states. But the attorneys say that right doesn't exist.

"The FDA essentially believes that nobody has the right to choose what to eat or drink," said the Natural News site, which explains it covers topics that allow individuals to make positive changes in their health, environmental sensitivity and consumer choices.

"You are only 'allowed' to eat or drink what the FDA gives you permission to. There is no inherent right or God-given right to consume any foods from nature without the FDA's consent."

The Natural News report continued, "The state, in other words, may override your food decisions and deny you free access to the foods and beverages you wish to consume. And the state may do this for completely unscientific reasons � even just political reasons � all at their whim."

The report blames the aggressive campaign against raw milk on large commercial dairy interests, "because it threatens the commercial milk business."

The reason cannot be safety, the report said, since a report from the Weston A. Price Foundation revealed that from 1980 to 2005 there were 10 times more illnesses from pasteurized milk than from raw milk.

The federal government attorneys say the FDA's goal is to prevent disease, and that's why the "ban on the interstate sale of unpasteurized milk" was adopted.

The attorneys conceded that states ordinarily are expected to regulate intrastate activity but noted, "it is within HHS's authority � to institute an intrastate ban as well."

Natural News reported the ban could be seen as violating the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which leaves to states all powers not specifically designated in the Constitution for the federal body.


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So, If TRH has a few egg laying hens, he is not allowed to eat their eggs?
Originally Posted by stxhunter
So, If TRH has a few egg laying hens, he is not allowed to eat their eggs?



grinNope!! He's GOTTA give 'em to da black guy an da pick-up truck grin
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The interest claimed by plaintiffs could be framed more narrowly as a right to 'provide themselves and their families with the foods of their own choice,'" the government document states. But the attorneys say that right doesn't exist.

"The FDA essentially believes that nobody has the right to choose what to eat or drink," said the Natural News site, which explains it covers topics that allow individuals to make positive changes in their health, environmental sensitivity and consumer choices.

"You are only 'allowed' to eat or drink what the FDA gives you permission to. There is no inherent right or God-given right to consume any foods from nature without the FDA's consent."



We are pilgrims to nowhere and we have arrived.
The snowballing loss of freedoms in this country is staggering
in a just world , Judge Fiedler (who has probably never seen a live cow), would be run out of town on a rail, wearing tar and feathers.
This decision had to come from either the 9th circuit, or Wisconsin. No surprises there.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
This decision had to come from either the 9th circuit, or Wisconsin. No surprises there.
Amazing when tyranny comes right out in the open like that.
Not really, at least not in Wisconsin. The pervasiveness of socialist "thinking" in that state is unbelievable. The schools and universities are steeped in communist kool-aid, and the unions have run roughshod over the state and elections processes for decades.

It's amazing to me, now that I'm in Texas, to realize how bad it is up there.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Not really, at least not in Wisconsin. The pervasiveness of socialist "thinking" in that state is unbelievable. The schools and universities are steeped in communist kool-aid, and the unions have run roughshod over the state and elections processes for decades.

It's amazing to me, now that I'm in Texas, to realize how bad it is up there.
Exactly..

Doesn't surprise me in the least.. Won't be long before there will be government lists of 'permitted' foods to be sold in groceries.. And you WILL NOT be able to consume food you grow in your own garden.. You'll need a 'permit' and 'inspections' before you're 'allowed to consume'..


All I can say is - the bastids that show up at my garden to 'inspect' better be wearin' some serious flak jackets..
Originally Posted by Redneck


All I can say is - the bastids that show up at my garden to 'inspect' better be wearin' some serious flak jackets..


Exactly. This is one of those laws that are only gonna get enforced in selective areas, assuming it survives the appeals process.

Jeez, I hope the plaintiffs are going to appeal... ??
eek
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
in a just world , Judge Fiedler (who has probably never seen a live cow), would be run out of town on a rail, wearing tar and feathers.



yaknow Sam, I must be gettin older and more cranky


for I swear lately we've been reading from the same page shocked

am afraid if you find yourself in my neck of the woods I owe you a beer or three
Originally Posted by Redneck

All I can say is - the bastids that show up at my garden to 'inspect' better be wearin' some serious flak jackets..
+1
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Its getting closer each day...

Originally Posted by stxhunter
"A Wisconsin judge has decided � in a fight over families' access to milk from cows they own � that Americans "do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow."


No, no, no, no, no.

That's NOT what the judge said:

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FARM-TO-CONSUMER LEGAL DEFENSE FUND, et al vs. WISCONSIN DEPT OF AGRICULTURE, TRADE AND CONSUMER PROTECTION

DECISION AND ORDER ON PLAINTIFF�S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

August 12, 2011

http://www.ftcldf.org/docs/Grassway-Zinniker-decision-mot-4-dec-judg-00009770.PDF


When the judge was talking about "fundamental" right, he was talking about the question of whether the cow owners had a constitutional right. It matters as to the level of scrutiny the court brings to bear on the legal arguments.

Quote
Where application of a statutory classification adversely affects or interferes with a fundamental or inherent constitutional right, the as-applied classification is subject to strict scrutiny and the normal presumption of constitutionality will not apply.


In this case, the judge thought the cow owners were full of bull.

Quote
While the Plaintiffs have recited a plethora of cases involving a variety of constitutional rights, no case cited stands for the propositions that the Plaintiffs have asserted herein. Arguments unsupported by references to legal authority will not be considered.


And more bull:

Quote
Plaintiff�s arguments are nothing more than an attempt to misconstrue the issues in this case. They do not simply own a cow that they board at a farm. Instead, Plaintiffs operate a dairy farm. If Plaintiffs want to continue to operate their dairy farm then they must do so in a way that complies with the laws of Wisconsin.


The plaintiffs can still challenge the state of Wisconsin, but the court's review will be under "rational basis", rather than "strict scrutiny."


Lots of bull being flung in the air over this.
How long before they outlaw breast milk for babies.

Am I the only one here who has read the case?
Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
in a just world , Judge Fiedler (who has probably never seen a live cow), would be run out of town on a rail, wearing tar and feathers.



yaknow Sam, I must be gettin older and more cranky


for I swear lately we've been reading from the same page shocked

am afraid if you find yourself in my neck of the woods I owe you a beer or three


He'll just bitch about the temperature of the beer you buy for him. grins.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by DocRocket
This decision had to come from either the 9th circuit, or Wisconsin. No surprises there.
Amazing when tyranny comes right out in the open like that.


To me, not amazing at all. Courts and judges are members of the establishment. When was the last time the establishment was for liberty and freedom?
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"There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds," states the document signed by U.S. Attorney Stephanie Rose, assistant Martha [bleep] and Roger Gural, trial attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice.



Hoo boy! No historical tradition unless you count the entire history of the US before the FDA!
I just read the case. The plaintiffs are running a dairy farm operation, and selling milk through a store they own and manage, to "members" of the LLC that pay a "fee" to be members.

It's essentially a co-op arrangement with a private dairy herd owned and managed by the directors of the LLC and owners and managers of the store.

It's a for-profit dairy operation.

The judge's ruling to deny their motion for summary judgment is correct.

Please, everybody...

Read. The. Freaking. Case.

http://www.ftcldf.org/docs/Grassway-Zinniker-decision-mot-4-dec-judg-00009770.PDF

Knew I could count on you to read it.
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Knew I could count on you to read it.


Pretty damned clear, right off the get-go, what they are trying to do.

Hell, it's a motion for summary judgment dismissal.

This case is FAR from over.
Remember that the judge has to keep precedent in mind.

Think how dangerous it would be if the government let people do as they pleased with their own property.

Or with their own bodies.

Can't have that.
Originally Posted by DocRocket

It's amazing to me, now that I'm in Texas, to realize how bad it is up there.


You may want to change your 24HCF profile to reflect your relocation. wink
Read the f'kin' order of dismissal of their motion for summary judgment.

It's even written in plain English.
Originally Posted by tjm10025


All I really need to know, is whether this list came from the judge, or the plaintiffs:

Quote

"(1) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow or a diary (sic) herd;
"(2) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow;
"(3) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to board their cow at the farm of a farmer;
"(4) no, the Zinniker plaintiffs' private contract does not fall outside the scope of the state's police power;
"(5) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume the foods of their choice; and
"(6) no, the DATCP did not act in an ultra vires manner because it had jurisdiction to regulate the Zinniker plaintiffs' conduct."


So, will you let me be lazy, and just tell me? Please.

Scott
Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
in a just world , Judge Fiedler (who has probably never seen a live cow), would be run out of town on a rail, wearing tar and feathers.



yaknow Sam, I must be gettin older and more cranky


for I swear lately we've been reading from the same page shocked

am afraid if you find yourself in my neck of the woods I owe you a beer or three


It is not that we are getting 'cranky', but as we age, we find it difficult to suffer fools with anything resembling grace. laugh
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Am I the only one here who has read the case?


reading that schiet, as opposed to reading and understanding what it all means, can be two different things. Most of us are not lawyers, and are not versed in the subtle nuances of legalese bullscheit.
Sam;

It's in plain English. Read it.
Originally Posted by Scott_Thornley
Originally Posted by tjm10025


All I really need to know, is whether this list came from the judge, or the plaintiffs:

Quote

"(1) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow or a diary (sic) herd;
"(2) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow;
"(3) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to board their cow at the farm of a farmer;
"(4) no, the Zinniker plaintiffs' private contract does not fall outside the scope of the state's police power;
"(5) no, plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume the foods of their choice; and
"(6) no, the DATCP did not act in an ultra vires manner because it had jurisdiction to regulate the Zinniker plaintiffs' conduct."


So, will you let me be lazy, and just tell me? Please.

Scott


Those quotes were taken out of context in the decision.

If you want to know who said what and why...READ THE DECISION.

Being lazy here means you are not getting the truth of the decision.

The judge was right. They were trying to get around the law requiring a dairy license and it backfired.

The case certainly isn't over, just round one, but it doesn't look good for the Plaintiff's as the judge went to great detail explaining WHY he denied the Motion for Summary Judgement.

No one is saying that you can't eat your own food, drink your own milk, choose your own diet. All of the claims that the owners had about not being able to drink their own milk are covered in the existing laws and administrative codes as ALLOWING just that. The Judge, in his ruling mentions that when he QUOTES the laws.

So, someone comes up with the story in order to stir the pot, misrepresenting what the Judge was actually ruling on.

Ed
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Sam;

It's in plain English. Read it.


Basically, the Plaintiffs tried an end-run around the dairy laws, got caught selling milk illegally, lost their license, tried to reorganize under a scheme to allow "members" to own a cow, board it at this farm, and get raw milk products from "thier" cow.

The law specifically defines who can do that, and the Plaintiffs didn't meet the definition, and a bunch of people in the community (35+) got sick and wound up in the hospital with a Campylobacter infection from consuming the raw milk.

So, the State stepped in, shut the operation down, the Plaintiff's sued, beginning with a Request for Summary Judgement and it got shot down.

Here we are.

Ed
still, it is no reason to not tar and feather the judge. laugh

I still bet the SOB could not tell a cow from a horse, and is using a version of "what is the definition of "is" to micro finesse his decision.

.......and I did read the entire 27 pages. I maintain that other than being written in the English language, it is in no ways 'plain'.
Crap like that is written by lawyers, for lawyers, and to convince the rest of us that only lawyers can do that sort of BS.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
still, it is no reason to not tar and feather the judge. laugh

I still bet the SOB could not tell a cow from a horse, and is using a version of "what is the definition of "is" to micro finesse his decision.


I'm up for tarrin' & featherin' some judges, but this one knows that the fat lady ain't sung yet, so he covered his bases pretty well. laugh

Yeah, it's some kinda purty legalese he used, but they didn't offer a "reach-around" so he slapped 'em!

Ed
Wreckers, hoarders, and kulaks! How dare they claim a right to drink their own cow's milk.
Steve;

Read the dismissal. wink
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Sam;

It's in plain English. Read it.


Basically, the Plaintiffs tried an end-run around the dairy laws, got caught selling milk illegally, lost their license, tried to reorganize under a scheme to allow "members" to own a cow, board it at this farm, and get raw milk products from "thier" cow.

The law specifically defines who can do that, and the Plaintiffs didn't meet the definition, and a bunch of people in the community (35+) got sick and wound up in the hospital with a Campylobacter infection from consuming the raw milk.

So, the State stepped in, shut the operation down, the Plaintiff's sued, beginning with a Request for Summary Judgement and it got shot down.

Here we are.

Ed


Exactly.
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Am I the only one here who has read the case?


Yes - because government should have no role in regulating food. And when I say that crying about "safety" won't change my mind.
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Steve;

Read the dismissal. wink


scammers, fraud artists....and kulaks.
<laughing>
Has it occurred to our lawyers who are present that our government has overstepped itself and no longer derives its power from the consent of the governed but by force and intimidation. Hence it fails the test for being a legitimate government due to the tyranny it perpetrates on its own people when it micromanages their lives, their choices, and their personal wealth in violation of our constitution, bill of rights, and God given human rights. Therefore, for me, the rule of law no longer governs and this country's governmental power goes unchecked everywhere. So, I personally feel particularly disenfranchised from any equality of law that is supposed to exist and as such do not consider myself to be subject to all of this bull$h!t at all. No doubt others may hold different opinions, however, for the present, this is how I view things at this time. Law....Government....Bull$h!t are all the same thing to me and I don't support any of them.

Flower Child
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Knew I could count on you to read it.
So long as they're not advertising it as pasteurized milk, what business is it of any level of government? Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?

Originally Posted by Flower_Child
Therefore, for me, the rule of law no longer governs and this country's governmental power goes unchecked everywhere.


Put down the blunt.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.

And if you'd read the decision, instead of relying on a bozo-written blog off the internet, you'd have been able to follow.
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.
While liberties vary from place to place, human rights do not. They are the same wherever you go.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.
While liberties vary from place to place, human rights do not. They are the same wherever you go.


Have a look at the word I put in bold from your post.

Purchase implies sale. Sale implies commerce.

You can argue, fairly, that you have a human right to drink raw, contaminated milk. You also have a human right to eat rotten, fly-blown meat.

You may NOT argue fairly that you have a human right to sell it to others, or a human right to buy it in a commercial establishment.

But you know all this from law school. You're just being a dick.
Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Steve;

Read the dismissal. wink


scammers, fraud artists....and kulaks.


I was trying to remember the name for the collectivists... kulaks. nice!
Time for them to use herd shares instead.

Using herd shares, the consumer owns the cows and pays service & boarding fees to a farmer who tends the animals.
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by DocRocket

It's amazing to me, now that I'm in Texas, to realize how bad it is up there.


You may want to change your 24HCF profile to reflect your relocation. wink


Just did, amigo. Thanks for the reminder!
Originally Posted by tjm10025
Have a look at the word I put in bold from your post.

Purchase implies sale. Sale implies commerce.

You can argue, fairly, that you have a human right to drink raw, contaminated milk. You also have a human right to eat rotten, fly-blown meat.

You may NOT argue fairly that you have a human right to sell it to others, or a human right to buy it in a commercial establishment.

But you know all this from law school. You're just being a dick.


Thanks for simplifying it for us. laugh
I believe the case in a nutshell is that the plaintiffs were trying to get around the law that you can't buy raw milk though farmers can use it for their own consumption.
who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk
Originally Posted by tjm10025
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.
While liberties vary from place to place, human rights do not. They are the same wherever you go.


Have a look at the word I put in bold from your post.

Purchase implies sale. Sale implies commerce.

You can argue, fairly, that you have a human right to drink raw, contaminated milk. You also have a human right to eat rotten, fly-blown meat.

You may NOT argue fairly that you have a human right to sell it to others, or a human right to buy it in a commercial establishment.

But you know all this from law school. You're just being a dick.
It all turns on deception. If no one was deceived, the law has no business interposing itself between two individuals engaging in commerce.
Originally Posted by azcoues
who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk


I do and it was not that long ago.

Hormones, antibiotics, GMO feeds and such contaminate even the most pasturized milk on the market,

I can not see the difference between either other than the government wants to control what you have to consume.

BP...
You can still have a cow, and drink al the unpasteurized milk you want. You just can't keep it on somebody else's dairy farm.
Damn VA, I was working myself to high dudgeon until I read your case summary. Spoilsport.

Nothing innovative or particularly clever about trying to duck laws via some sort of co-op arrangement.
Originally Posted by azcoues
who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk


That is my favorite kind, right there!

Ed
Originally Posted by BarryC
Time for them to use herd shares instead.

Using herd shares, the consumer owns the cows and pays service & boarding fees to a farmer who tends the animals.


I realize that you are probably one of Dr. Oppenheimer's or Werner Von Braun's missing children, but please, humor us and take a moment to READ THE DECISION!

You will discover that this is exactly what the plaintiff's tried to do to get around the law AFTER they were shut down the first time for illegally selling raw milk IN FRONT OF AN INSPECTOR.

The way they then went about setting up their Co-op, using a "herd shares" type arrangement, still did not meet the legal requirements and they got caught selling raw milk AGAIN, this time, 35+ people wound up in the hospital from contaminated milk.

When the state looked at their organization THAT is when they discovered that these folks didn't play by the rules and got their pee-pees spanked. Again. So the plaintiff's, in their infinite kulak (thanks, Steve!) wisdom, decided to sue. Instead of just following established guidelines, rules and laws.

Off my soapbox now...

Ed
Originally Posted by azcoues
who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk


Yep. And my grandfather spent a LOT of time trying to teach me to milk the cows by hand. He was a good teacher but I was an even worse student. I might have actually coaxed one or two drop out of one the cows once. blush

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