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Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Steve;

Read the dismissal. wink


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Has it occurred to our lawyers who are present that our government has overstepped itself and no longer derives its power from the consent of the governed but by force and intimidation. Hence it fails the test for being a legitimate government due to the tyranny it perpetrates on its own people when it micromanages their lives, their choices, and their personal wealth in violation of our constitution, bill of rights, and God given human rights. Therefore, for me, the rule of law no longer governs and this country's governmental power goes unchecked everywhere. So, I personally feel particularly disenfranchised from any equality of law that is supposed to exist and as such do not consider myself to be subject to all of this bull$h!t at all. No doubt others may hold different opinions, however, for the present, this is how I view things at this time. Law....Government....Bull$h!t are all the same thing to me and I don't support any of them.

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Originally Posted by tjm10025

Knew I could count on you to read it.
So long as they're not advertising it as pasteurized milk, what business is it of any level of government? Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?

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Originally Posted by Flower_Child
Therefore, for me, the rule of law no longer governs and this country's governmental power goes unchecked everywhere.


Put down the blunt.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.

And if you'd read the decision, instead of relying on a bozo-written blog off the internet, you'd have been able to follow.

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Originally Posted by tjm10025

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.
While liberties vary from place to place, human rights do not. They are the same wherever you go.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.
While liberties vary from place to place, human rights do not. They are the same wherever you go.


Have a look at the word I put in bold from your post.

Purchase implies sale. Sale implies commerce.

You can argue, fairly, that you have a human right to drink raw, contaminated milk. You also have a human right to eat rotten, fly-blown meat.

You may NOT argue fairly that you have a human right to sell it to others, or a human right to buy it in a commercial establishment.

But you know all this from law school. You're just being a dick.

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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Steve;

Read the dismissal. wink


scammers, fraud artists....and kulaks.


I was trying to remember the name for the collectivists... kulaks. nice!


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Time for them to use herd shares instead.

Using herd shares, the consumer owns the cows and pays service & boarding fees to a farmer who tends the animals.


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It's amazing to me, now that I'm in Texas, to realize how bad it is up there.


You may want to change your 24HCF profile to reflect your relocation. wink


Just did, amigo. Thanks for the reminder!


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Originally Posted by tjm10025
Have a look at the word I put in bold from your post.

Purchase implies sale. Sale implies commerce.

You can argue, fairly, that you have a human right to drink raw, contaminated milk. You also have a human right to eat rotten, fly-blown meat.

You may NOT argue fairly that you have a human right to sell it to others, or a human right to buy it in a commercial establishment.

But you know all this from law school. You're just being a dick.


Thanks for simplifying it for us. laugh


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I believe the case in a nutshell is that the plaintiffs were trying to get around the law that you can't buy raw milk though farmers can use it for their own consumption.


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who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk


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Originally Posted by tjm10025
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Originally Posted by tjm10025

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Don't people have a right to purchase and drink natural milk if they choose, rather than the government-approved processed milk-based product that's called "milk" in the stores?


Not in Wisconsin, they don't.
While liberties vary from place to place, human rights do not. They are the same wherever you go.


Have a look at the word I put in bold from your post.

Purchase implies sale. Sale implies commerce.

You can argue, fairly, that you have a human right to drink raw, contaminated milk. You also have a human right to eat rotten, fly-blown meat.

You may NOT argue fairly that you have a human right to sell it to others, or a human right to buy it in a commercial establishment.

But you know all this from law school. You're just being a dick.
It all turns on deception. If no one was deceived, the law has no business interposing itself between two individuals engaging in commerce.

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Originally Posted by azcoues
who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk


I do and it was not that long ago.

Hormones, antibiotics, GMO feeds and such contaminate even the most pasturized milk on the market,

I can not see the difference between either other than the government wants to control what you have to consume.

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You can still have a cow, and drink al the unpasteurized milk you want. You just can't keep it on somebody else's dairy farm.


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Damn VA, I was working myself to high dudgeon until I read your case summary. Spoilsport.

Nothing innovative or particularly clever about trying to duck laws via some sort of co-op arrangement.


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Originally Posted by azcoues
who here remebers the days when ya milked a cow - into a bucket and the milk was strained thru a kitchen cloth/towel and put on the table to drink-

Generations of families survied without any "commercializtion" of milk.

warm milk right out of the cow = strained for bugs and debri - setting in a pitcher - warm and consummed eagerly!

now its cold milk or no milk


That is my favorite kind, right there!

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Originally Posted by BarryC
Time for them to use herd shares instead.

Using herd shares, the consumer owns the cows and pays service & boarding fees to a farmer who tends the animals.


I realize that you are probably one of Dr. Oppenheimer's or Werner Von Braun's missing children, but please, humor us and take a moment to READ THE DECISION!

You will discover that this is exactly what the plaintiff's tried to do to get around the law AFTER they were shut down the first time for illegally selling raw milk IN FRONT OF AN INSPECTOR.

The way they then went about setting up their Co-op, using a "herd shares" type arrangement, still did not meet the legal requirements and they got caught selling raw milk AGAIN, this time, 35+ people wound up in the hospital from contaminated milk.

When the state looked at their organization THAT is when they discovered that these folks didn't play by the rules and got their pee-pees spanked. Again. So the plaintiff's, in their infinite kulak (thanks, Steve!) wisdom, decided to sue. Instead of just following established guidelines, rules and laws.

Off my soapbox now...

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