I am so f'ing pissed.

Passed in the Senate, killed by 4 a-holes (4 to 3 vote) in a house sub-committee. I Hate Libs and Rinos.

Let's vote these SOB's out, VA Men!

Dave

I can't believe you guys stand for this type of travesties to be put on you. Vote if you feel you must but how long have you been voting and where has it gotten you? just saying

At a time like this were's all the seperation of church and state?

A lot of the horsey [bleep] libtards were worried about being shot on Sunday. Not Mon-Sat, just Sunday.

Farm Bureau sold out.... Crapola

Help, I'm being repressed Where the ACLU

Seriously, I can drink beer, watch football, BUT CAN'T HUNT, WTF

BLUE LAWS (circa 1650, go to church evil spawn).

Bunch o' BullSshitt

1,000 round Sunday practice sessions are now in order.....

post the name of the 4 who voted it down....

16,
I just don't understand the Farm Bureau thing, must be a money trail there somewhere. 1000 rounds and a nice ride on a real LOUD dirt bike.

163bc,
Still trying to find names and how they voted. R. Lee Ware, R-Powhatan is the Chairman of the Ag, Chesapeake, Natural Resources subcommittee. VDGIF came out last summer in favor of Sunday hunting. These political whores just smell which way the wind blows. Never mind what the wildlife biologists recommend. A-holes

Dave

the Farm Bureau's official response smells like bullchitt to me.

they claim it will not increase the number of youth hunters...but with kids in school monday thru friday, gimme a brake. when are they supposed to go?

also sounds to me like the far right leaning bible thumpers have teamed up with left-wing tree hugging douchebags to promote a common goal in that case, and the average Joe gets screwed.

under what premise can they constitutionally dictate what a landowner does on his own land on sunday?

disclaimer...i have no beef with anyone who thinks THEY should be in church Sunday, or any other day....but someone wants to tell me what i can & cant do on Sunday because of their beliefs?

yup....smells like bullchitt.....

Yup,

It ain't a hunting issue, it's a FREEDOM issue.

Who the Farg are they to tell me what I can or can't do on Sunday on MY OWN LAND!

OK, how bout this! NO football, beer, fishing, boating, watching TV, etc. on Sunday. You name it!

I don't give a [bleep] what you believe in, don't try to tell me what to believe in.

Dave

It's all about landowner rights if you ask me. Some dumbazz horse scmucks don't get it. Old money and deep pockets.It's private [bleep] property, not like the horse [bleep] are allowed to be on it anyway, unless you let them.

The left rides again.

I'm finding out who voted against and sending their opponent $20 in the next election.

Ware, Wright, Edmunds, and Fariss voted it down!
Yes, VAFB is always against Sunday hunting, they are controlled mostly by smaller, non producing "farms" owned by people that probably don't much like hunting anyway.
The biggest player in this year's effort was the azzholes in the VAHDA(Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance). Kirby Burch and Jim Hackett, have R. Lee Ware wrapped around their little finger. Along with the organization's lies and misrepresentation of their membership, they were driving the trainwreck in the AGCNR subcommittee this year. The "hound dog alliance" sided with PETA and HSUS against the hunters of VA, and AGAINST the rights of private property ownership.
There isn't much that can be done about the VAFB, unless people start buying their farm insurance elsewhere. However, it is time to lead a backlash against the deer hound hunters that claim to know what's best for all VA hunters.
The VAHDA has convinced their membership, that Sunday hunting will lead to the end of deer hound hunting in VA, which is total BS! Deer hound hunting will lead to the end of deer hound hunting, nothing more, nothing less!
Raise hell with the House learership, and get Ware, Wright, Edmunds, and Fariss thrown off the AGCNR Committee.
1D

I'm afraid a change will be slow in coming. The religious right, many farm owners, anti-hunting groups, even the Virginia Deer Hunters Association opposed. Not near enough Virginia deer hunters were willing to get involved. Its a ridiculous law & most other states & Canadian providence's can't understand how no hunting on Sunday laws were ever passed. As long as most Virginia hunters wait for others to do their lobbying nothing will change.

I keep seeing the religious right mentioned as a primary opponent of Sunday hunting. I'm wondering why it's never an issue anywhere but Virginia and the NE? I mean really, anyone think of this part of the country as devout Christian? It can't get any bluer!

I reckon if all the other Sunday anti-hunting groups were combined you'll find the reason you don't hunt on Sunday. I'm convinced religion is used as a cover for these other anti's.

We have the same problem here in New Jersey, no Sunday hunting, sort of. In New Jersey you can get a special license called "semi-wild" to hunt pheasant, chuckars and quail on privately owned land, I've been doing it since 1963,so this Sunday hunting ban is just BS. I agree with the other posters on this site, pro football, baseball, etc. as well as trap shooting on Sunday makes no sense at all. We did recently get Sunday bowhunting on private land and State Game lands. The biggest opposition to Sunday hunting in New Jersey are bird watchers, hikers and horse riders (because they trespass on all the hunting land on Sundays) when they ride. Good Luck Va boys!

PS--almost forgot, Atlantic City gambling is open on Sundays, I guess the churches can't say anything about that because it would cut in on their Bingo!

Guess you have not traveled or been in VA very much as MOST areas are very religious. Falwell and Pat Robertson used to get a lot of the blame. On a side note, my Senator told me he did not hear 1 church group lobby against Sunday hunting last year. Majority of the efforts were from the Farm Bureau and VA Hunting Dog Alliance.

That's a huge sidenote....

All 4 who voted against it are Republicans from areas with a lot of dog running. Why a 7 person committee, composed of members from 1 part of the state, is allowed to decide on bills for the entire state is beyond me?

This issue has been on the block many times before. Seems in the 90's, it was the religious groups that had the biggest voice to stop sunday hunting from happening. Now, the FB and hound hunters are very vocal about not letting it happen.

Va was saying that the state needed more deer shot and that hunting license sales have been dropping. Duh, give hunters more time to hunt!

I will keep sending emails and will vote accordingly.

That needs to be a year round effort.

We need a plaintiff,Gene.

I just learned of this restriction -- here, on the 'fire -- a few weeks ago, and am still baffled by it. New to me, ridiculous forever to those effected.

Good luck going forward.

We've been fighting for Sunday hunting here in CT for a long time. Haven't even been able to get Sunday bowhunting on private land only yet. To me it's the same problem as most other things. If every resident who is pro Sunday hunting actually spoke up and took the time to get involved it would get passed tomorrow. Not enough of the hunters themselves get involved. We all know how vocal the anti hunting minority is and that's all it takes. I believe that generations of hunters who grew up with no Sunday hunting just kind of accept it as the way it is even if they say they want it. Not enough motivation to take action.
I don't run across religion used as the main argument against it too much even though it may be the personal opinion of some. The ridiculous argument of having one day a week for people to feel "safe" while using public land is the main argument used. And what that has to do with private land is beyond me. Killing on a Sunday can't be the issue because fishing is perfectly legal. The state wants to reduce deer numbers but with many hunters working six days a week or with other family commitments, etc. on Saturdays, Sunday hunting is the simplest and most logical means to accomplish that goal. It would more than double the hunting time in the woods for most of the guys I know. Basically, the very powerful anti hunting minority here in CT will use any and all arguments available to them to accomplish their goal of no hunting period. They chip away at every chance they get and never stop.
As long as enough hunters themselves do not take action and get involved and write letters and show up at meetings, I'm afraid that nothing will change.

From the VADHA:

Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance
Sunday Hunting
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance has adopted a position opposing hunting on Sunday
for many reasons. It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our
membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper.

1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is
reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. "Remember the Sabbath day
by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.1 We also recognize that
the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

2. We believe that all can use a day of rest. It is a time to recover and reflect.
You may look for lost dogs or game animals, declared by the law to be
hunting, but the retrieval of lost sheep is consistent with the gospel. We
believe that the hunted also benefit from the day of rest.

3. We believe landowners want a day to rest. To enjoy the quiet of their
property, absent their guests of the rest of the week, no matter how welcome
they may be at other times. Sunday is a day of reflection.

4. We believe that even the most supportive families would benefit from this
positive statement of family values.

5. Other outdoor users appreciate a day to themselves. Without this day, they
may turn against the selfish hunters who demand hunting on Sunday and place
all hunting at risk. Remember all hunting is not done on large private tracts.

6. Virginia has the most generous limits on deer kill of any state in the nation.
No hunter, no matter how they plead otherwise, is so deprived as not to be
able to find an opportunity to hunt during the long seasons. We acknowledge
that some of our number have a limited number of vacation days, but believe
that resulting public opinion would inescapably be negative, and give antihunters
a big hammer to bludgeon us with.

7. Modern wildlife management bases its hunting seasons on range carrying
capacities, species reproductive rates and mortality rates. One significant
factor in determining any hunting season is the number of animals harvested
by hunters. The number of animals harvested by hunters is determined by
man-days a field times the success rate. Most studies have shown that
typically 40% of total man-hours of hunting occur on Saturday. The addition
of Sunday would be certain to require the eventual adjustment of the seasons
for most if not all species that are hunted. This would result in the eventual
shortening of the hunting season.

The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance acknowledges that hunters are coming to Virginia
from other areas having Sunday hunting. Many areas allow other practices that have also
long been against the law in Virginia such as hunting over bait and hunting big game
animals in small enclosures. We see no reason to support hunting on Sunday in the
Commonwealth of Virginia at this time.

LMAO!

I'm sure everyone is thankful for dog hunters speaking for them in #1,2 and 3!!

I'm not from Virginia but this statement by the VAHDA really burns me up. I live in Mississippi and I will bet you we would be considered a much more "religious" state than VA and for sure more than CT but we have Sunday hunting and not just on private lands but statewide. I am a Christian and I go to Church ever Sunday and I have no problem with Sunday hunting. I even turkey hunt before church it is no different than me going fishing after church. What really burns me up is the way the VAHDA is trying use faith as a tool to push their own personal agenda through. For one thing the hunting the lost sheep analogy to justify hunting lost dogs is taken way out of context. When the lord said that it was used in a spiritual sense to show that God loves everyone and it was nothing to do with actual sheep but men's souls. The VAHDA IS WAY OUT OF LINE IN DOING THIS! If they think Sunday hunting is wrong then they can just choose not to hunt on Sunday. It should be a personal choice anyway.

Maybe we could join the VAHDA and take it over.

I'd rather join PETA....

I am a VA landowner who allows hunting by permit on our property. Living out of the Commonwealth now and haven't followed all of the details of this "Sunday Hunting" issue. Virginians are fortunate to have ample access to National Forest hunting - did the proposal also include Sunday hunting on the Gov't ground?

I hunted there for over 50 years and just dumbly accepted the fact that you didn't hunt on Sunday. That doesn't mean we didn't go into the woods scouting, making/repairing blinds and stands, sighting-in and orienting a new hunter to the lay of the land and property lines.

Here in NC you can bow hunt on Sundays on private land - but no firearms. Go figure!

Sunday hunting was struck down in Pa this year also, almost the same story. The Farm Bureau lead the attack against it, with some small birdwatching, hiking groups joining in. How much power does this farm bureau have? and why?

Private land only. That's the biggest stink if you ask me. Public, well it is what it is. But denying private landowners is crap.

+1
Same old story. They say the woods will be filled with families hiking and horsey people riding on public land. This has nothing to do with private land hunting. I'm also in favor of all implement Sunday hunting rather than bow only.
Here in Ct., one can go to a casino and gamble, go to a strip bar and soon be able to buy booze all on Sunday. Can't hunt and nobody can tell me a good reason why I can't.
Hope you Va. boys continue the fight.

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Basically, VAHDA DID JOIN PETA and HSUS!!! Divide and conquer worked very well for them. It's time to turn this around on VAHDA! They need to be potrrayed as the bad guys that they are, and held publicly accountable. Hypocracy is rampant in VAHDA! This is about private property rights more than anything else, and we should use this issue above all others, against the anti's. Right now, if I had a choice between losing dog hunting for deer, and being able to hunt on Sunday, dog hunting would lose!!!! Paybacks are hell!!
As a result of this, I know a group of 19 VA landowners in the Piedmont area that own/or control just under 11,000 acres that were formerly open to hound hunting for deer. Deer hunting with dogs will be forever closed on those properties starting in 2012. They are even considering curtailing the fox hunters from using their properties.....we'll see. This sentiment is growing rather quickly, too.
1D

Great idea in closing the dog hunting land. I hope other landowners follow suit.

Sad thing is by aligning themselves with the anti's, the dog hunters will need our help one day when the anti's try to outlaw dog hunting as too "cruel". I hope everyone remembers how greedy they have been.

I want everyone to know on the Fire how a very small group can take away your FREEDOM.

I am Pissed,

Beware, it can happen to you!

Dave

dayum them Virginia boys is kinda haywired!


no sunday hunting


yet they've got an "alliance" of folks that get together and hunt dogs?


do they sell the meat to Taco Bell?


what do they do with the hides?


hey wait a minute...that danged fur coat I bought the missus had a flea collar sewn in it.

I thought it was just to protect her valuable fur coat!

They're too busy making home brew!!

Left the Commonwealth when I got out of high school.

Never looked back.

Even the "Virginia Deer Hunters Association" is against it. Pretty smart move on their part. Open mouth, insert foot.....