Tomorrow is my big day: Redman. They've got us all psyched up about the fight. Mostly, I just want to get a few shots and not pee my pants. I'm ok with puking, especially if I get a Trooper.
The rumors that are leaking out from guys who have been through this in the past is that they will first make us run for a bit to tire us out before the fight. Then it will be one on one unless we get the upper hand, after which two other Troopers will jump in. Basically you can't win, but you can't quit either.

They don't allow video, but our Academy Director will be taking pictures and video after we come out of the mat room (padded floors and walls for a good fight).

So what's your worst beat down?

My worst to this date is getting punched in the ear from behind, knocked out, then taking a few boot heels to the face before my friends jumped in.

My worst beat down was the result of overconfidence based on whisky intake, and the introduction of a beer bottle to the side of my gourd.

And like Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.

Explain again why you're doing this...?

Because it will feel sooooooo good when they stop.

years ago when i tested for my black belt in karate. they had me do about an hour of cardio, then all the techniques, self defense, etc. there were 7 other instructors. we went pretty much full contact with gloves and feet pads. fought everyone one at a time. then it was a horrible session of bull in the ring with me in the middle. you can't win but like you said they were wanting to see if you'd quit. i called in sick from work the next day. was pretty banged up and had alot of welts and a nice shiner.

Head gear and hand protection I'm guessing?

Never was whooped too bad, never whooped anyone too bad either. Start kicking skulls and it's too easy to kill someone. A friend from college served time for manslaughter.

I got KO'ed by one punch years ago. Got snockerd.......then got suckerd. I had it coming That would be my worst.

Good luck and remember, get "mad dog mean"! Bring 'em hell!

I have empathy for the guys in the red man suit. It is damn near impossible to breathe in that darn thing. The day these photos were taken, we had about 65 or so cadets and there were 5 of us in the suits. We went three minute rounds with each of them.

That was a long day.

I'm handin' out free spring ass whoopins' to any goggle eyed sumbitch that wants one.

I'll fetch ma' ax han'l and commence to whoopin' the chit out of the whole bunch of ya'.

Bring granny and I'll whop her ass too.


Lol

I guess they think it's good training I'm fairly certain they just want to beat us up. Colorado State Patrol does a lot of our police academy training(doing this for a game warden job), including the defensive tactics, PT and driving .


No head or hand protection. Thought about buying a cup today though, but worried about pinching a nut. They let us use gloves or wraps to protect our knuckles when training, but not tomorrow.

Don't envy you the Redman thing...I'll stick with my end of the Law Enforcement Ass Kicking...getting bit by dogs...

Well then, I would do my very best to knock some mother farker out.

That punching bag chit goes both ways and it's not often you get a chance to pop folks without going to the pokey.

Make the most of it buddy .

We've got 29 going through this tomorrow. Don't know how many guys in Redman suits to fight us. Heard our rounds are four minutes. They've been doing a lot of training lately making us think we were done, then raising the intensity even more.

Last week for PT we did wind sprints for a couple minutes after we thought we were done.

Tuesday during our final exam, after 2 hours and a little change with no water breaks in a gym heated to over 90 with our all our gear on while we went through our entire curriculum (mock fighting, but still somewhat intense, especially the ground fighting, punching, kicking and weapon retentions), we had then had to fight our way back and forth across the gym punching the guy in front of us all the way backwards while a guy had what resembled a karate belt was holding us back from behind.

Maybe I'll try to sneak one of those in tomorrow with me

Thanks I feel like I already got away with a freebie when I dropped a trooper last week with a roundhouse kick, followed by a choke when he wasn't really expecting it during a scenario.

A cup of fire ants will get them out of that suit.

By the way, some of the cocky SOBs say they won't even wear the suit because they can't move in it. One little Napolean says he'll just wear a cup.

Sounds like good stuff. The first time you end up in a fist fight with a weapon involved, you'll be glad for your training.

By the way, any fist fight you find yourself involved in will definitely have a weapon involved, becuase you brought it with you.

For tomorrow, keep your mouthpiece in, your hands up, and your chin tucked.

You'll do fine.
CT

Doing what they expect will get you beat. Good work on thinking outside the box. By the way, they'll be looking to square up the tab on that earlier surprise.

A well trained dog is a thing of beauty. Thanks for all you do.

Oh I know it! They can't stand us DOW guys anyway, and I saw that guy I hit yesterday giving me the evil eye while watching me go through my final.

There is always one of those on a staff it seems. Ignore him and listen to the ones who have EARNED the respect of the class.

Think you could get everyone to wear these...? Would definitely be easier for ya then...

Thanks for the kind words...a well trained dog is a thing of beauty 'cause they can keep the aforementioned bad guys from ever kicking your ass...

I honestly couldn't imagine doing Police work without one...I must be a chicken!

In my old age, I am beginning to feel like putting my son's Blue Heeler in the car with me. As hateful as she can be, she'd give me more time to dig out my old shotgun.

EB,

If you get defensive you'll just be a punching bag. Better to punish one and get jumped by the others than be some dwarfs bitch.

Remember, elbows are your friend.

Good luck pard

I don't think my big ole mean ole dog would be much use:

I dunno...I taught my Border Collie to bite pretty girls and bring them back to me



I love my job..

CrimsonTide... thanks for posting the photos of your DT work, and for doing that work in the first place.

Too many people get into LE not realizing that there is no fight they get into that they have the option of NOT finishing. You don't finish the fight, you're dead, or worse. It's guys like you doing what you do that make the connection.

Exbiologist, don't take whatever happens as a personal thing. It's not personal. They're trying to train you for something that could be a LOT worse in the real world. Trust me, I work with these guys all the time.

Fortunately for me, I'm waaaaaaaay past the age where I have to go through what you're doing. But I envy you your opportunity. I'm sure you'll do fine.

Gonna headbutt or bite (no mouthguards) an SOB if they close too quickly on me

Bring a tooth pic....

And Doc has had situations where a K9 "had his back"...more literally than figuratively speaking.....

Thank you, Doc. The DT work I enjoyed. The range work thrilled me, but driver's training is where I had to draw the line. Mrs. Tide handled that bailiwick along with 5 or 6 others.

Spending a week riding in a cruiser with a cadet jostling around, and running over cones. Yuck.

Thanks, ingwe...

Never let it be said that the Poobah doesn't use his powers for good. Nice job.

Feel "the love that dare not speak its name".....

If you get a chance helicopter a guy into anything you can, but be ready to spin cause your gonna get taken down in a hard tackle.

Elbows and knees, mouth guard so you don't crack any teeth bitin' down.

So did they still teach holster pins too ?

Guessing the recycled fungi (and accompanying stench), lining one of those bad boys, would be enough to make a grown man wretch and have a dermatologist on speed dial...

Well stated. The instructors are using a controlled environment to expose you to a no-win fight that you MUST NOT give up on. They're expecting both you and them to learn a lot about your mindset,attitude, and determination. Get on the offensive and bring everything you've got. Everyone hits a point of exhaustion, but keep fighting with 100% of whatever you've got at that point. Fight dirty and fight hard. The instructors will be judging your character and "will to live" as much as your actual abilities to fight a huge dude in a padded suit.

Good luck, and try to get some sleep.

Well we had some kind of spray we used on them, but they were tart by the end of the day, that is for sure.

You get hired on as a game warden?

yep. Don't know where they'll send me though. Parachute, Craig West, Montrose East and Kim-Pritchett are the only openings right now for the 7 of us. Should be a few more by December

Congratulations!

The guy in red looks sloww.

They don't call you eyeball for nothing. He is slow. Even slower when he has that suit on.

Alright guys I gotta get to bed here in a minute. Need my beauty rest. Don't want to look like this again

Glad to see you post tonight.

As CT, DocRocket and others have said, in not so many words, it is all to make you stronger!

Congratulations on your job and making it through this rite of passage!

Ed

So I take it the trainer is in the suit? Or no suit for either combatant?

Either way, get mean and dirty. Look forward to seeing how ya faired.

I was 20 years old in the military. My black roommate stole a pistol out of my locker, I was so pissed off I went to the room where about 12 ghetto type blacks that you couldn't even understand due to their Eubonic style lingo were partying.

I pushed the guy aside that answered the door aside and went to the back of the room where my guy was sitting in a chair against the wall, told him quietly I was only going to tell him one time to get my pistol, he leaned forward to stand up and I rolled a full upper body turning punch right into his face. Broke my hand whereupon several of the guys grabbed me and held me while he proceeded to kick my head and face. I ended up in the hospital with a broken jaw.

I had some bad white boy friends who went back (only four of them) and they beat the chit out of over 10 guys who were still there. Started some monster racial tension on the base, segregated halls and rooms with same race room mates, it was a mess for sure.

Your so full of chit your head is going to explode.


Clyde

Shoulda stuck with biology.

Dan

That line has me howling with laughter!

Why would you say someone is full of [bleep] when they are talking about the worst beating they ever took?

That is the definition of full on Moron, someone who calls BS on someone they have no way of knowing.

Someone lays out just about the stupidest thing they've ever done, of which they definely took the bad end of and you call BS? Now that might have sounded far fetched had I claimed to have thrown down the mother of all ass whippings on 12 black gangstas.

What a dumb sumbitch.

make sure and try to keep breathing. you for sure don't want to be holding your breath and catch a shot in the solar plexus.

Back on track: Nothing like yours exdbio but mine came from my half sloshed, all knowing, 20year olds wisdom of loudly proclaiming that any male who was a woman's hairdresser was queer as a three dollar bill.
I don't to this day know if he was or was not but he flat cleaned my clock and shoved the pieces out the door.

My son had a bad time at his Redman.

If you looked tough they made you run, climb and carry a 100lb dummy with you.

When you looked "ready", you meet the Redman.


He has fond memories of it.


Snake

Who is the dumb sumbitch that would go into another's dorm room, outnumbered 10 to 1 and throw the firsts lick. And exactly how did you know it was him that stole it? You've got more tails than TRH.

By the way, did you teach your mom a "lesson" by making her forefit the money the bank owed her the second time? You're a tool and a troll.


Clyde

Sorry for the hi jack good luck ex bio!!


Clyde

Well, I survived and mostly got my ass kicked.
Started with chasing down a "drunk" with no padding who would then run around a building and pull a gun, at which point you're supposed to disarm him. Next you keep running around another building at which point a female trooper, with no padding jumped out and you were supposed to disarm her. After that was the run back to the gym, going through the parking lot, someone would jump out and try to hit you with a bat, and you needed to disarm him.

Then they hat you kicking a bag about a dozen times, after that they finally bring you into the mat room. In the mat room, you still didn't get to just go to town, we had to punch a padded up trooper with a bag from standing and kneeling positions, then from your back while he's in the mount. Then he puts you in a choke or headlock and will occasionally hit you while you try to toss him and keep your gun.
Then get up disarm him when he eventually gets your gun, and basically end up on the ground wrestling again til time's up (not certain what the total time actually was though). Come out and paramedics and other students take your shirt and vest off, get you a wet towel and some water while you sit next to a trashcan ready to puke.

I did good outside by taking the corners wide and seeing things coming. Knocked the lady trooper down and choked her with no real problems (a couple guys later, another dislocated her elbow), I elbowed the guy with a bat right in the face, which was nice. I was in a position to knee the crap out of him when I looked over to the troopers and asked if I was allowed to, they told me to just disarm him (which I think they should have specified before just sending us out there, but I know they wanted a little surprise factor). By the time I got into the mat room, I was gassed. When I tried to dislodge the trooper in the mount, he eventually took my back and tried to choke me. I bit him hard! He had no padding on his arms, just a helmet, chest protector and gloves. Still, I only got a weak little elbow and knee in when I was on the ground. Didn't puke, crap my pants, pee or die at least (cadet 3 years ago did die though).

Well clyde, I knew because I was on the phone in the hallway and saw him leaving the room with something tucked under his shirt, went back to the room because I knew I'd left the locker open because nobody was there when I went to the phone. I was deeply pissed when I saw the gun gone, have you ever been so pissed off you did something really really stupid? I was that mad that I ignored the warning bells about stepping into a room full of guys.

Two guys to a dorm room, it wasn't that hard to figure out who took something.

No buddy, it's just what happened, but right now whatever story about anything I told you'd say the exact same thing, it's BS.

So you know what? What you say doesn't amount to a little pile of beans and I'm sure you feel the same way about me, so there's absolutely no reason for me to weigh into anything you say or vice a versa. On chat sites I pretty much leave the really unbelievable things off the table and stick to the tamer things I've done, it's a bit annoying when some Gerbil calls BS, but what the heck. People who know me don't doubt anything being talked about, I've done some crazy things in my life, many of which are really and truly unbelievable.

By the way, as far as my mom was concerned I wasn't teaching her anything. I used a considerable amount of business clout getting her money back the first time she screwed up and I wasn't doing it again, something I don't expect a Gerbil to understand.

This is how and where a topic goes south and gets into a pissing match. The Gerbil who thinks it's somehow bright to call BS on what someone else is saying that has nothing to do with them.

Atta boy, glad you made it thru...

You da man! Congrats!

Outstanding! Great training, great fun, great thread! Thanks for sharing your experience with us! I'm glad you survived and left unharmed for the most part.

BTW, the worse butt kicking I ever got was at Level III Army Combatives training at Ft. Benning.

Congratulations, it sure is a learning experience. BTW, it would kill me these days!

Just the running around the building part would kill me!

Congrats Exbio!

Ingwe, that's what the dog is for...right?

Ed

As I mentioned in an earlier post...the dog is there to prevent MY ass from being kicked!

Glad u survived and that crap is over. I think being a Game Warden is a heck of a job.

I know you will enjoy it and best of luck buddy.

JM

Good job, you did well. Don't let this type of training be a onetime event in your career. I go back to a DT/Officer Survival Course about every five years to keep up with tactics.

The same with my ASP Instructor Certification. It's a small world at times, when I got my first ASP Instructor Certification, it was taught by a KSP Instructor who worked with CrimsonTide, this fellow only knew one speed, that was 110%, he was a very good instructor.

I have talked to police officers who have been jumped while
on duty by more than one assailant. One told me that it felt
like time stopped and all kinds of things went through his mind
and he did what he had to do, try not to fall and get pinned
down, dont lose your weapon, etc. Even though other LEOs were
seconds away it felt like an eternity before they arrived.

One of the most memorable and well deserved ass-kickings I ever got was when I returned my dad's '53 Lincoln I had stolen for a couple days, before I was old enough for a license.

Congratulations on completing this phase of your training. Good advice ref taking a refresher officer survival course every so many years.

Hunter, as far as I know, none were better than Alex, and darn few were his equal. A great person to be around and a natural teacher. He's retired and doing well these days.