Does anyone know the value, or how to find the value of a;
Griffin & Howe Pre-64 Model 70 in .375 H&H

Made in 1961 or 1962, I believe.

Call Griffin & Howe

I purchased a Griffin & Howe Pre-64 Model 70 in .35 Whelen from G&H last year. I paid $5200.00, due to .375 H&H's popularity it may be worth a bit more. My rifle was made in 1961 according to G&H's serial number records.

Follow these, I'd say between $5000 - 5500. right off the cuff.

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I purchased a Griffin & Howe Pre-64 Model 70 in .35 Whelen from G&H last year. I paid $5200.00, due to .375 H&H's popularity it may be worth a bit more. My rifle was made in 1961 according to G&H's serial number records.



Is there something really special about the "Griffin & Howe" part of this equation ....are they not just pre-64 Win. Model 70's?
Sorry, I do not mean to offend...I am just uninformed about the difference between these and just a "pre-64" Win. 70?

Fair question Sig. Best I can tell is they received favorable publicity as the go to safari rifle which seems to have enhanced their value. I also have a Paul Jaeger from the same era, of equal quality, and it�s worth � as much.

What does Griffin & Howe do to their pre-64 to drive up the price?

Thanks

Many things for accuracy along with their French walnut stock and in many cases their patented scope mounting system.

I have (well Son actually has it now) a 1941 commercial Mauser in 30-06 with the mount and Lyman Alaskan All Weather scope. They valued it at $7500.00 5 years ago. I bought it at a gun show for $300.00 as a "Polish 8mm Mauser with weird scope mount" according to the seller!

Lousy gun shows! Them guys all have the price jacked way up on their junk!

What makes them special in my opinion is the quality of workmanship and level of finish, as well as they are a pre-64 (that is special in its own way), only better. My .375 has nice irons, a leather wrapped pad, ebony tip, initial disk and a pretty decent piece of lumber. Other than a bespoke english gun from the era where are you going to find that on a 65 yr old gun?

They are a leftover connection to another era that no longer exists. Mine was made in 47 by griffin and how on a new cloverleaf action M70, and still works as good today as it did when it was new. Better in fact with todays bullets.



and doing what it was born to do:


Value wise I don't think I would let mine go for $5000- where would I find another one to replace it? I might be tempted to buy for $5k-just to have a spare-but I have a bad bad case of gun Acquisition-itis

Very nice. You're a fortunate man, and FWIW I would not insult you by offering a measly $5K for it!!!

What caliber?

375h&h Sorry, forgot that- I'll edit my post. 375h&h to me anyways should always command a premium over a more common caliber (as well as it's celebrating it's 100'th birthday this year- so it has added centennial value )

But seriously maybe I am the exception because I use it- but what caliber could be more utilitarian than a .375? I can take it anywhere and do anything with it. What other caliber could I say that about?

Agreed. I don't have a 375 H&H, but have become very fond of my 375 Ruger since I bought it 2 years ago... it's killed a lot of meat for me since then!

If you really want to know the value, call Paul Chapman at G&H in Bernardsville, NJ.

Ohhhh, went over to the dark side, did you!

For all intents and purposes the ruger is the same thing- it's just not an h&h for the same sentimental reasons that makes a griffin&howe what they are.

I haven't succumbed to the ruger yet, but I have 6 different 375h&h's in various corners around my house-so even my acquisitionitis has a hard time justifying the ruger.

Yeah, it's only a matter of time until I get me a 375 H&H or two... gottahaveititis!

Barkoff the only thing I could add to notlim's comments is a three panel checkered bolt. Like I said I also have a Paul Jaeger from approximately the same time and it is worth half as much, although fit and finish certainly seems of equal craftsmanship.
I guess to some degree their value was much like the English doubles costing twice as much as they're worth, perception and outstanding marketing practices. I would have to add that should you currently want some unknown smith to finish one off like the G & H's it would likely now cost as much, although that hasn't always been true. It would not surprise me to see the G&Hs increase by about another 50%, and likely only some very old man or uniterested heir will sell at that.

G&H will tell you to bring it in where they will offer you about 1/2 of what they'd sell it for. Visit the website, they usually have one or two for sale.

$4,850.

I believe one of the guys here has a Savage 99 that was
customized by G&H.

Now those are nice rifles.

I have almost the identical G&H Mauser 30/06 that TLEE is talking about, except mine is a 1938 vintage. My rifle came out of a collection of rifles owned by General Peacock. I don't think he is that well known to the public, but he is supposed to have an extremely nice gun collection.

Griffin & Howe rifles are/were made to the highest possible standards. I would say that they are sort of the US equivalent in rifles to Holland & Holland, Westley Richards, etc. G&H rifles today can cost $15k and up.

I used to live about 15min from the Bernardsville store and really enjoyed spending time there. G&H is one of the last classic era gun makers left in this country. If you happen to see the book "Hemingway's Guns", a G&H 30/06 is on the cover, it was an early Springfield action. He had a few other G&H guns over the years as well. Their archives are filled with famous people, they were the go-to gun shop for the rich and famous.

A lot of the value of G&H guns is based upon the amount of engraving...and who did it. If you have a "basic" rifle with no engraving, with a M70 action, in 375H&H, you are looking about $6000 - $7000 retail, if is in great condition.

I use my G&H as my main rifle, it shoots 1" groups all day. Someone asked me why I bought that rifle when I could have bought a brand new Dakota for the same price (about $5500 at the tiem). I told them that if we are going to compare the two rifles, I would need to spend over $10k to get the same rifle from Dakota.

0ops...need to correct that caliber...
"Griffin & Howe, Pre-64 Model 70" in .375 WEATHERBY

would think that may make it more desirable since you could shoot both .375 H&H, fire-forming the brass for reloading, and shoot the flatter shooting 1,000 ft, lbs. greater .375 WBY. factory ammo or custom loads when needed?

YES, forgot about that possibility, good deal!

WIN M70 MAGNUM
- .375 H&H or .416 Rigby cal.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$7,000 $6,500 $5,650 $4,850 $4,100 $3,550 $3,000


RIFLES: BOLT ACTION
Values represent a standard gun with no upgrades or options.
G&H CLASSIC FRENCH WALNUT STOCK
- most popular cals., custom honed action with lapped lugs, Douglas premium barrel, hand engraving, French walnut sporter stock with ebony forend tip, G&H pistol grip cap, "Griffin & Howe, New York" barrel address, custom order.
Current MSR on this model is $15,000.
WIN M70 STANDARD ACTION
- for .243 Win., .270 Win., .30-06, or .308 Win. cal.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$5,750 $5,000 $4,500 $4,250 $3,750 $3,300 $2,750
WIN M70 MEDIUM
- .300 Win. Mag., 7mm Rem. Mag., or .338 Win. Mag. cal.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$6,750 $6,250 $5,500 $4,750 $4,000 $3,450 $2,950
WIN M70 MAGNUM
- .375 H&H or .416 Rigby cal.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$7,000 $6,500 $5,650 $4,850 $4,100 $3,550 $3,000
WIN M52
- .22 LR cal.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$5,000 $4,500 $4,000 $3,400 $3,100 $2,700 $2,400
WIN HIGHWALL
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$4,500 $4,150 $3,800 $3,500 $3,150 $2,850 $2,500
SPRINGFIELD 1903
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$4,950 $4,400 $3,750 $3,450 $3,150 $2,800 $2,550
SPRINGFIELD 1922
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$4,500 $4,100 $3,650 $3,350 $3,000 $2,750 $2,500
MAUSER STANDARD
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$5,750 $5,000 $4,500 $4,250 $3,750 $3,300 $2,750
MAUSER MAGNUM
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$9,850 $9,000 $8,500 $7,850 $6,850 $5,950 $4,950
SAVAGE 99
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$3,500 $3,175 $2,850 $2,550 $2,250 $2,000 $1,850
G&H PRE-'64 MODEL 70 CLASSIC SYNTHETIC STOCK
- most popular cals., features glass bedded synthetic classic sporter stock in black or woodgrain finish, Douglas premium barrel, "Griffin & Howe, New York" barrel address, custom order. Disc. 2002.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$4,750 $4,450 $4,000 $3,700 $3,500 $3,300 $3,100

WoW! Where did you get this from...no mention for the .375 (or any) Weatherby
what does that mean? Did G&H re-barrel this for the caliber as a special request for a customer? does it diminish the value?

Heres a pre 64 model 70 in 358 winchester Griffin and Howe stocked ,and Griffin and Howe scope mounts, i wouldn't take $5000 for it !!!

Nice!

A Rem 700. What a waste.

Back in 1971 I made an inquiry to Griffin & Howe about having a 7 x57 made. I was young, they told me at the time plan on about 1000 dollars or a tad more. But the time I figured out what I wanted the bill would have been around 1800 dollars, You could buy a new car for that, then. I didn't do it even thou I had the money, my mom talked me out of it. It would be worth a good chunk of money today no doubt. The Griffin and Howe Side mount is a thing of beauty when they do the work and stock a rifle for it. A lot of very good Winchesters have been wrecked by bubbas that thought they could install one. They are not Cheap, they never was. For decades they had the Gun Room at Abercrombie and Finch when they catered to outdoorsman. That ended in 1968. G+H catered to american carriage trade, and to those the could afford the work. They started by making sporting rifles out of 1903 Springfield's. Along with others after World War I. You can look at then as being an American Version of John Rigby and Son. A new one of those with set you back 30 K for starters. There are a lot of good makers around these days some do very very good work for very reasonable prices. Hand work is not cheap from a skilled craftsman.

loggah, that is puurty! Is that a steel buttplate ? winchester aluminum? or...? Your rifle appears to be almost a full custom- while mine is more of a modified factory rifle. Do you know what year it was made?

Makes me feel a little sad about mine
It's been used too hard to still look as pretty as yours, But they must of had a quite a range of upgrade options available- Other than the sights mine doesn't appear to have a lot of metal work done. It still sports the original bottom metal. The stock is very similar to all the others posted here- except it has a leather wrapped pad.

I see, from their website, they are still "at it", and still is not cheap.
Nice work though, can't figure out from this page if that price is with a rifle/action you provide, or they do the whole thing?

I'm not really sure on the year, i misplaced the paperwork shortly after i bought it !! heres a few more pictures ,the butt plate has a trapdoor in it ,and the lyman receiver sight is in there,the blank is in the sight base at the moment. The barrel and action is strictly Winchester "featherweight" the upgrades are Griffin & Howe.

If I'm reading the caliber right, that's a .358 win Featherweight!