Just curious. If I had a case of PMags that I could flip and quadruple my money right now I would. Can't see how it's any different for a business owner.

They're not price gouging food to starving orphans or your grandmother's heart medicine, just things that people really WANT to own right now. People who evidently have the money to spend on extra stuff right now.

Isn't this kinda what capitalism is all about...People with ingenuity making money?

That question certainly took long enough to be asked.

Smart business people will charge what the market will bare. Buy low and sell high.

Stupid SHOULD hurt. I am doing my best to ensure that, at least for a few, it does.

It isn't my fault I was smart enough to buy PMags last Friday, and you are trying to buy them 8 days later.

"That question certainly took long enough to be asked."

But why did you ask? Are you looking for somebody's approval?

Blue, are you the guy that paid 7K for PMags?

I could care less unless it follows a natural disaster.

Why? Should have been more prepared.

It is what capitalism is about, but notice that ingenuity is not necessarily involved, unless you are insinuating that someone knew about the Newport shootings in advance.

Buy low and sell high is the rule. Sometimes buying low is skill and sometimes luck.

Sycamore

nothing wrong, lets you know who to deal with after the waves subside. If your local gas station jacked up gas to $10 a gallon after a natural disater would you find yourself stopping there in the future?

These businesses will be out of any stock to sell and keep the doors open soon. I can't fault them for getting all they can right now.

The privateers burn my azz a bit. But, that's capitalism.

BB....I do seek the approval of some people, but certainly none here. And I'm not gouging, but sure would be if I had some to spare.

RDW...No, but I did buy 30 metal mags at $9 each.

Sycamore...Some folks have extra to sell, some don't. Seems some were better prepared / had more ingenuity / had a better sense of the market, etc.

I saw five 30 rd AR magazines on Gunbroker for $345. Maybe someone will buy them. More power to them.

Nothing wrong with it. If anyone says there's something wrong with "price gouging," ask them if there's something wrong with paying bargain prices for things when the market is glutted with them (Remember $100.00 a pop for factory-new Russian SKS rifles?), which is merely the other side of the economic coin.

This ain't a natural disaster.

Apples and Oranges.

local store jacked up bullets when Obama first got elected, from ~$20/box to over $50/box. haven't been back since.

Socialists call it price gouging, Capitalists call it supply and demand.

Yep. And folks who call it "price gouging" aren't moved, in sympathy for the poor merchants stuck with overstock on items widely available on a glutted market, to offer higher prices than the market supports for said items. Hypocrisy.

What are PMags? AR magazines?

Magpull brand polymer AR magazines. Considered the latest and greatest in AR mags.

shalom

call it what you will, that's just semantics, but instead of going to the local mom&pop first like i always did, i just go online and make no effort to 'buy local' at that place. another example of capitalism at work...

It's only worth what someone will pay for it. Is this week different than last week? You bet. Is it worth paying for it if you think or know you need it? That is what drives prices. No apoligies needed anymore than laughing at the others are needed.

LMAO at your righteous indignation. I hope you need something at the last minute from that Mom & Pop, and you find it closed. Merchants need to make profits and keep making them. If they recognize that there won't be any stock to sell for a prolonged period, they must get what the market bears and salt it away to keep the doors open.

Yep, it is another example. A good one. If more people felt like you the shop would go out of business and the next guy would hopefully learn from his mistakes and successes. But evidently they don't.

i'm fine if it's closed...havent stepped foot in the place in 4+ years. bought a half dozen guns there over the years before that though.

Simply a matter of moral relativity.

If I am the seller and can make a multiple hundred percent profit on an unexpected event, it is good business and simply capitalism at its finest.

If I am a buyer caught unawares and now seeking to purchase items, it is an unfair, disgusting abomination in the eyes of God and man which will surely condemn the gouger to eternity in Hell.








I got some surplus, dented GI M-16 mags I brought back from the Army 37 years ago, I'll let'em go at $100 each...

Would ANYONE buy IBM for a dollar, then have it go to $10 and sell, but tell the new buyer to only pay you $2?

I got some stuff to sell, and I fully expect to make a profit. But i still have to sleep at night.

Every hotel/motel raises their rates during the rush season...standard M/O...

Yep its a simple choice you don't have to buy unless the government is involved.

Toad, not trying to argue, but just for conversation...

At a 15% markup of six $800 guns, they made $720 off of you.

If current stories are to be believed, they could make more off of 20 PMags than several years of your shopping.

Not that it will, or should, make a difference to you. Just for conversation.

Yep, they have to make up for those periods when the competition for customers is steep and they must charge near cost to get any at all. During those times, customers are "gouging" the hotel owners, right?

"What's wrong with price gouging?"

I do not believe it exists, so, nothing.

From a purely economic standpoint it is simply finding that point where the supply and demand curves meet.

But as with most things, there are unintended consequences. During the last shortage when you couldn't find powder or much less primers for love nor money, a certain store in town had piles of each at $30/pound for powder (which had sold just prior for $18-$19/lb) and primers for $60/brick.

I remember that and will never, ever buy anything from that store. My personal boycott won't cost them their business but I believe my feelings are shared with at least some other folks.

Gouging Drastic price hikes in response to unexpected demand are good for the short term profit, which is what concerns most business people in America. Long term good will does not seem to be regarded as a valuable business asset, possibly because the losses suffered by its lack are impossible to quantify.

In this internet/box store age there is very little loyalty to local merchants. Why should they reciprocate?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Perhaps the disloyalty to local stores is a consequence of their actions.

Neither of our arguments are easily provable, if at all. I merely offer the counter.





Nothing empirical here, but I have dealt with people who offer outstanding customer service and a willingness to make sure I am satisfied (wish I could say it was a local lady, but alas...). Anyway, even though I might buy the same goods elsewhere at a slightly cheaper price I continued to take my business to these people due to the good will they tried so hard to generate. Again, just one opinion, but pehaps others share it.

I would bet the price on suicide vest when up after today bombing in Pakistan

My daughter beat me out of my little S&W airweight Thursday,so I needed a new pocket pistol.Yesterday I went into Academy- fully expecting to come back out empty handed based on what I've been reading on the forum- but prices seemed about as usual.

In fact, they had a little Taurus single stack in 40 cal. at a clearance price.

It shoots pretty good, too.

It was simply a result of buying as cheap as the consumer could, and it put Mom & Pops out of business all over the country.

Box stores wipe out the local guy. It's common knowledge. When WallyWorld moved in here, six long time local merchants folded. These were ones who supported little league, the high school, bobbysox softball, and more.

Walmart gave us nothing but second-rate groceries and Chinese everything else. Try to order anything specialty from Wally. It won't happen.

Some call it price gouging, others call it a "procrastination premium."

Yes, the big box stores typically drive the smaller companies out of business.

So, based on your prior statement:
"In this internet/box store age there is very little loyalty to local merchants. Why should they reciprocate?"

It appears that your opinion is that the small stores should retaliate against their former customers whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Okay, that's a perfectly valid opinion. If I have misstated it please let me know.

Buy from Wallyworld and support chicoms. Buy from the local guy and put a local kid through school or make a families mortgage payment.

Local guys might be making a bigger profit on the "rush for saftey panic" sales, but they still have to pay more themselves, now, to replace what is on the shelf.

It is everybodies choice whether it is guns, grocery, or auto parts and repairs. Your choice, your communities loss or gain.

It's not fair for the 99% that want AR-15's and can't get one because of the capitalist pigs. The government should provide AR-15's for everyone. That's the fair thing to do. The sellers profits are way too high. We need the government to step in and make sure everyone gets their fair share of AR-15's.

I plan to sign up for a free OR-15 next week......


If you thought it was important to have an AR and didn't get one in the last 4 years, you're a dumbass.

If you didn't get one after the election, you're a bigger dumbass.

If you didn't buy one during your lunch break last Friday, then you just ain't gettin one.....

I have no idea how you get "retaliate" out of anything I wrote. Some will gouge, while others will get fair market, given the circumstances. I remember when 20 or so years ago primers were hard to find. We paid a 100% premium our cost to stock them, then marked them up only 10% for our customers. We had the same comments many make here in your indignation, while all we did was pay the going rate and try to keep them in supply for our customers.

The owner finally got fed up and raised them 100%; he said if he was going to catch hell, it was going to be worth it.

I wonder if we can get the Obama Justice Department to investigate the "price gouging" of PMags...

My opinion...it ain't price gouging, it's using pricing to make sure everyone gets a few extra PMags....allocate a limited supply of goods in the face of rising demand. Also might incent Magpul to run the factories full bore and increase supply before the inevitable ban hits...resulting in more folks getting more mags...

Magpul already released they are working 3 shifts at 100% capacity and are only making black mags for the foreseeable future.

The question to be asked is "If there is money left on the table, whose should it be?"

Those that demand higher prices when lack of supply allows it, usually receive less business when ample product is available.

Nothing if I am doing the gouging, everything if I am being gouged.

I think its hilarious, both the whining and the knee jerk retards paying stupid prices for stuff.

Most of those charging huge sums are prolly trying to make a few bucks back after they bought 100,000 primers for double retail back in 2008

I gotta believe those getting their panties wadded are the same folks who get all worked up when somebody lowballs them on a item they are trying to sell.

I can guarantee that if that specific thing you wrote ever were to happen here, there's gonna' be a fire. Guarantee it.

People gouging for certain things don't bug me. People selling Red Sox hats for stupid money after the WS wins type thing, for example, no problem with it. If you're desperate or dumb enough to pay $300 for an ordinary hat, so be it. Capitalism of that sort I have no problem with. Selling bottles of water and those kinds of essential goods to people who are in distress/physical need for it is a different story entirely.

I am amused by people who complain that the most expensive place that has raised prices is the only place with the product left in stock and then go off on price gouging.

Unless they are the cheapest in town.

What's really going to be funny is when the government takes away all these AR's, AK's, and all those high capacity magazines that we all thought we just had to have. I'll bet there are going to be a whole lot of people glad they didn't waste their money on the soon to be banned weaponry, no matter what they would have paid for it.

BRING
IT.

Let the macho chest thumping begin!

This is not capitalism or a free market because of the government entanglement, that said make all the money you need to.

I will never regret killing the agents of government who come looking for our guns.

You going to roll over?

If you are asking if I will comply with new gun regulations the answer is yes. I don't like it but I'm not going to shoot my family members and friends who are in law enforcement and are charged with enforcing the law.

I helped out at my LGS the last couple of days.The owner did NOT raise one price from "per-shooting" to afterwards.All p-mags,and AR's went out at the same prices they were two weeks ago.He won't do it,never has....

The other locals jacked everything up by the hour.One dealer has claimed a million dollar day in AR's?? I think impossible to do in one day without the help of a price gun....

So your family members in law enforcement will participate in the confiscation of weapons?

I've never considered selling a FAL,...but I really don't play with them much any more. They were more of less just a learning curve for me to conquer.

These days I much prefer shooting hot rodded cartridges out of a Martini Cadet.

There's a gunshow coming up in a few days.

I might stick a stupid price on a FAL and haul it down there to see if anybody will pay it.

My Hk sat on my gun rack through the last hysteria, and its going to sit there for this one.

lets just leave the Jews out of this...

It's price gouging if you're buying. It's smart business if you're selling.



I'm quite sure most here who have an AR-15 wouldn't sell it today for the same price they would have a month ago.

Anyone that is so blind, deaf, and dumb that they didnt see this coming in Nov. '08 deserves to wallow in their own stupid self inflicted misery.

Gunner

I'm sure there were good intentioned folk such as yourself during the 1800's here in America, but they changed their tune as well.

The bible says that the "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth" Matthews 5:5 That doesn't mean we are to roll over and let an evil, vile, dictatorial government run amok. They WILL NOT inherit the United States of America! At least not without a fight....

"For evil men will be cut off, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the earth" Psalm 37:9


The reason being, even if there are people such as yourself that will just give up on the Constitution and our freedoms, there are those that won't.
"I will not fear the ten's of thousands drawn up against me on every side" Psalm 23:4


Take from that what you will...............

"Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!"

Bingo!

During the gas shortage in the '70's, the price went up a lot. People would still buy gas but only as much as they needed.

Then the government got involved and called it price gouging. They enacted price controls to make it fair. At the now lower price, everyone filled up, making the shortage worse. It resulted in long lines, sometimes hours long, and then the gas stations ran out of gas and many of the people in line got no gas at all.

Government can screw up anything and given the opportunity, will screw up everything.

What part of enforcing the law don't you understand? There really are some stupid SOB's on this site. Would you like individual law enforcement officers to pick and choose what they are ordered BY LAW that their supervisors require of them? Cut the crap about the American Revolution. Only an idiot would choose to kill people over a type of individual firearm or magazine capacity. If the laws that get passed by our elected officials and held by the Supreme Court are not acceptable to the majority of the citizens, then we need to change the laws, not kill people. So are you saying that you will kill people over a bill that bans certain types of guns and/or magazine capacity and the enforcement of that bill? Who here on this board would do that?

I'll state, again, that I will resign if ordered to confiscate firearms. I don't anticipate the State of NH passing any such laws, though. I don't work for the Feds.....

George

Exactly.

In a capitalist economy in which a bona fide business transaction occurs, there is no such thing as price gouging.

I'm sure as h*ll not going kill anyone over a gun ban that targets AR or AK style of rifles and magazine capacity restrictions and the enforcement of that law. On that you can be certain. Only a person with diminished mental capacity would kill over that. You talk about the Constitution. Read it. It makes plenty of provisions for changing laws that are against the will of the people. I didn't read anything in that document that provides for murder if you don't like a law. Cut the BS platitudes and get real here.

It's a question of liberty vs slavery. It's that simple.

I agree. Killing is not the right response.

You ain't doing schit......

Perhaps there would be no such thing as customer loyalty either, and a business should have no hard feelings if a customer goes elsewhere. I'm reminded of that ad on TV for one of those loan shopping services in which a banker whines because his customer went for a better deal elsewhere "but you've banked with us for 10 years" or something like that. There wouldn't be ads about a company caring or being the customer's friend. Businesses would welcome comparison shopping, because that's part of the free market system.

Loyalty works both ways, but some business owners act like the customer owes it to them.

I'm just throwing this out as food for thought. I do believe in the value of relationships, including the intangibles, but as a customer I don't like being taken for granted.

Paul

TRH,

We've became enslaved a long time ago. In fact, we can trace it to Wilson and its acceleration to FDR.

Our enslavement/loss of liberty was accomplished via incremental compromise. Apparently Americans never thought to examine the motives of those using the ruse of reasonable compromise. Liberty is not a concept to be compromised. Compromising liberty is never, ever virtuous.

TRH, you were right on the money with international bankers manipulating our liberty. I just finished Rickards "Currency Wars". We are already a satellite state of a one-world-government. Most Americans just ain't yet got it figured out.

If we're going to revert to the country that was the patrimony of our Founding Fathers, the Liberty Movement appears our only option. We must get out of the UN, out of the G20, out of the IMF, out of entangling treaties, stop using our military to achieve objectives of international financiers & monied interests, and dissolve the Fed Reserve. Even with that, we'd have a tough row to hoe to undo a century's damage inflicted upon what was once the greatest country in the history of the world.

We ought to revisit President Washington's Neutrality Act. We have no business meddling in affairs of other countries nor they ours. That's the essence of sovereignty.



Merry Christmas,

Tom

Freedom to choose how & where you spend your money is the essence of capitalism.

But disarmament seals the enslavement deal. It marks the final transition into slavery, crossing the last T and dotting the last I.

Same to you.

Like some, I saw this coming and had already stocked up on reloading components and hi cap magazines.

BUT, what really chaps my butt is the customer that comes into the store expecting me to have my prices the same as they were 2 weeks ago, so he can buy it cheap and turnaround and sell it at a HUGE profit on Gunbroker .

siskiyous6,

Killing without sensing regret ain't healthy.

Assuming confiscation occurs, cops/federal troops actually doing the confiscating will be performing their assigned/ordered duty. I will never even remotely entertain the thought of harming any cop; federal, state, or local for performing her/his assigned/ordered duties. The ones causing harm are our politicians. Unless we can vote them out of office, expect more compromised loss of liberty. Cops merely carrying out policy created by politicians will not be causal of loss of our Second Amendment rights. Cops cannot create law.

Here's my advice: join the Liberty Movement. Violence is not nor has it even been the answer. It's counterproductive and sinks us to the levels of the Bolsheviks of the Russian Revolution, & san-culottes & Robespierre of the French Revolution. BTW, the senseless murders of the French Revolution caused our Founding Fathers to reevaluate their beliefs in self-government.

What a load of crap.

I agree. But this was put in place a long time ago. Our best and what might be our last hope for restoring liberty is a significant transition of power in Washington, which is why the Liberty Movement is so important.

Just do what I do.If the price is moer than I think is fair,I don't buy it. Whether it is firearms or groceries

Can you say any different with regard to the Redcoats of the 1770s?

You clearly haven't studied, or you're pretending not to have. I haven't decided which. You may be forgiven for the former, but not the latter.

Sure can. We were at war, which is a hugely different concept.

There was no state of war declared at Lexington and Concord. The Redcoats were the legitimate civil authorities in the colonies enforcing English policy in accordance with English law, which policy had by then become one of disarming the colonists in contradiction to long-established rights of English citizenship.

Cut the BS. Answer the question. "Are you willing to kill law enforcement personel over an enforcement of a ban on AR/AK style of weapons and or high capacity magazines that includes confiscation if you refuse to turn them in?" No diverting, answer the question.

One hopes he will rise to the moment when confronted with open tyranny at his doorstep, but one never knows whether he has the sort of spunk such calls for till the moment he's actually tested. Failing said test, however, I perfectly understand that my status would instantly become that of a slave.

True. However, before the Shot Heard 'round the World, war was a foregone conclusion, which was why the British army had marched on Lexington & Concord. All that was left was formality.

I.E, you ain't doing schit either.........

Hi gunner500,

This was coming long before Nov 8.


Merry Christmas,

Tom

But you are talking about the confiscation of guns from the Citizens. That is a different animal all together. When the government puts together an armed force and goes door to door taking things that are guaranteed by the constitution... its going to get ugly.

I don't know any who will, they will Quit first. Unlike your relation, individual freedom and the right to bear arms means something to these people.

FYI...cops are not required to enforce any law, at least not in Texas. We are required to REPORT violation of same. I know it comes as a surprise to some, but domestic LEO's work with almost total autonomy, short of being assigned a geographical place and time of responsibility.

My place and time suuuuuuck.

Every Winchester M70 I've seen for sale would be considered price gouging.

Nevermind, the masochist in me couldn't leave that posted.

I like it.

IMO it's wrong but I paid what I had to pay.

Correct, the death knell was sealed at that time, and again last Nov.

Gunner

Why do you think it's wrong?

Old farmers had a saying, "Make hay while the sun shines" and it would seem to apply to prices on magazines and AR-15 type rifles as well.

What's that saying again? A person who doesn't know history doesn't know anything. They are like a leaf that doesn't know that they are part of a tree.....

First time [bleep] me, second time [bleep] you......

OH! But...that's not price gouging. He is just a smart consumer.

Your point smacks of the reality of these situations. Thumbs Up.

Also, how do you manage to keep some stock on hand for your customers? People need to remember that they aren't paying the lease payments, help, taxes, permits, insurance, and lights you are to keep doors open. All too many are cheap bastids who would complain if you had to pay 100% more now and were losing 10% on every sale. Nobody needs that kind of "loyalty".

How do you know such couldn't be likewise the case in the near future?

If you're correct, my status would then become that of a slave.

I like it. Very true.

if i decide to dabble in ARs again, these guys will get my business.

A-hole proof mags

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TO OUR LOYAL SKD CUSTOMERS: These mags will not be made available at our normal price so they can be flipped to take advantage of the current buying frenzy. Nor will we be profiteering off of this current panic like some vendors in our community. In order to make these mags "[bleep]-PROOF", we will sell them at or near current market pricing, and donate the difference from our normal price to either the National Rifle Association or the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. If you take issue with this move on our part, please do not write, email, or call to complain- we will not respond. Just take a deep breath, do a little yoga, and channel your energy into doing something productive.

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"Price gouging" is vitally important: it prevents shortages.

Shortages only happen when some outside force--usually the State--places an artificial maximum on prices. Then the value of the good, whatever it is, is not properly represented by its price, and it's mis-allocated to people whose need for it is comparatively small, so that when people whose need for it is relatively great come looking for it, it's all sold out.

If prices are allowed to float with the market--which means that sometimes they'll be really high--then the price of a scarce good will be high to reflect its value, and people who want that good will be able to properly balance their desire for it against their desire for other goods with different values that they won't be able to obtain if they buy the high-priced good.

Allowing people to charge whatever they like for their own property leads to best distribution, best availability, and best use. Coercively suppressing "price gouging" leads to useless surpluses in areas where the good is of low value, shortages in areas where the good is of high value, and wastage.

A good reference for this kind of stuff is Defending The Undefendable by Walter Block.

I like it!

Edit: Referring to Toad's post , not Barak's.

Paul

As 16Bore says, you guys won't do chit. You are too afraid to even answer my simple question. But then I knew you were just a big blowhard. Enjoy your slavery tough guy. Keep talking your BS. Someday you might even convince yourself what revolutionary you will be. Ha Ha Ha. Too funny.

I understand your heart but let me ask you this. Say a storm hits Boston and you have no access to clean drinking water. I have some. Am I going to mobilize and move my product if I can only charge the same amount if I don't ship? Or do you go with out water?

How long do you think you would have your job if you refused an order from your superior to execute a search for illegal weapons? Get real here. You'd do as directed and try to figure out some BS way to save face for all your tough talk about upholding the 2nd amendment. Guys like TRH will be coming after you if you believe all his crap, which I don't. (I've seen his picture)

Not everyone has your lack of intestinal fortitude in regards to our beliefs, apparently. As stated, I don't foresee NH instituting anything resembling a ban so I remain unconcerned. I also know my Chief and local officials fairly well.....

George

Oh, so true, so true.

So are you saying that you would kill federal agents that were executing a search warrant on your home to relieve you of illegal firearms or magazines. TRH wouldn't answer the question. Will you?

You're apparently a complete ignoramus.

Profit ain't a dirty word but gouging is a different animal all together.

How did we go from resigning/not seizing weapons to killing feds?

George

Answer the question or STFU.

Chicken chit. You are a joke.

Laffin'.....calm down little fella then GFY!

Cops lose their jobs over schit posted on forums and FB after little bitches whine and complain.

Recent history tells us that statements like this are pure BS. Twenty years ago the feds surrounded Randy Weaver's place and killed some of his immediate family. A lot of local people, probably friends of the Weavers, went to the site and made some noise but not one shot was fired in defense of the Weavers. NOT ONE!

Tough talk comes cheap and anyone can do it but I learned long, long ago that the people that you are depending on for assistance in hard times will desert you in a second!

Something else I learned is to not start something you cannot finish by yourself.

Statements like those from siskiyous6 will get you to the top of the list.

The Founders signed their names to the Declaration of Independence and sent it to King George. I bet they were on the top of his list after that.

Just what I thought. All BS. We sure proved one thing today. All the bluster is just that. Pure crap. Funny chit. Going to watch football now. Goodnight tough guys. LOL!

We'll build a monument in your honor......

Thank you.

When tyranny comes directly to one's doorstep, and he cannot avoid it, he's forced into the choice between slavery and near certain death. Most men like to think they'd prefer being dead to being a slave, but one never really knows what choice he will make till it actually comes to it, no matter what they may say to the contrary while in the comfort of their armchairs.

I can say one thing for certain......your an azzhole.

Gee, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight. A liberal from MN with a handle of "fluffy". Sounds like another internet tough guy. How about you fluffy, you going to kill Federal agents if they come for your illegal guns? If you guys are afraid to answer this question out of fear, you sure aren't going to shoot anyone. Good job Seahawks. Great game.

I wouldn't answer the question myself. It's a stupid, inflammatory question anyhow. One that instantly weeds out the stupid for all to see, simply because one would have to be stupid to answer it.

As for your assertion, I hope you're right and I never have to shoot anyone again.

Merry Christmas

Who did you shoot and under what circumstances? You brought it up. I'd like to read about the details of it.

I'm sure you would.

Like I said: Merry Christmas.

And Semper Fi


(Edit: I did NOT bring it up. You were making an assertion that anyone who wouldn't answer a stupid, inflammatory question wouldn't ever take a life. It's a stupid question then, it still is, and the only way to be dumber than the person who asked it is to actually answer it)

I see that you have been reduced to name calling. Easier than answering a question isn't it? LMAO!

Oh, I answered. It's right between "Merry Christmas" and the"edit"

That's not an answer. Anybody can write something like that. If you are saying you killed as a Marine, that has no bearing on what is being talked about. What the h*ll does that have to do with whether or not you would kill federal agents that were executing a search warrant in your home to remove your illegal firearms if you had some. I stated that I WOULD NOT and that was when some of the people on this board started talk about me being a "slave" and that I didn't have the guts to stand up for my second amendment rights. That tells me that they would kill in those circumstances but they didn't have the guts to say so when I point blank asked the question. If you can't understand that then I feel sorry for you. I think that you need to go back to where I first chimed in on this thread and follow it closly. If the people are going to come after me because I won't support killing to save my freaking AR or AK then I can only assume that they do support that level of violence for keeping those firearms. If you don't agree with me then logic dictates that you do in fact support the killing of the police who enforce the law. End of story.

I would bet London to a brick on that....and TRH talks the same sort of infantile [bleep].


ps, do the smart thing and bury what you need for another day.....for Justin...case.

first of all,just because I live in Mn doesnt mean Im a liberal.
second of all,I dont have any "illegal" guns.
it wasnt that great a game,it was a trouncing.

Gouging on Pmags is simply excessive greed in action. To me there's a point where it goes from reasonable profit to just plain greed. I'd feed my AR one at a time before I'd support their greed.

KG is correct and I saw that type of gouging in action years ago following a bad tornado. The entire Texas town was without power and water and only a couple of small stores were still conducting any sort of business. One was a 7-11 that I went to with a friends 70 yr old father. He was buying 2 D-cell batts for a flashlight. The kid at the counter told him a price that was about 100 times normal. The old man pulled out his wallet and a 44mag at the same time. Told the kid, "I'll pay the price as marked on the package or I can just take 'em. Your choice."

Ya gotta love the old guys who take no crap.

And you're missing a significant part of that story.

If the market price for water is unusually high, that means that water is unusually scarce. If you force somebody to sell out all his water at usual prices to the first comers because your humanitarian ideals urge you to use force to make sure that people can have guaranteed access to necessities, then where are your humanitarian ideals after the water's all gone and people who need that water far more than the first comers did have to go entirely without it? Where's their guaranteed access?

There's no such thing as a free lunch. Access--to necessities or anything else--cannot be guaranteed. If water's scarce, then water's scarce, and you can't make it any less scarce by holding the price down. In fact, you'll make it significantly more scarce by doing so, because if the price is high, the increased profit will attract unusual distribution efforts from places where the price is still low, and somebody can make money on the difference by transporting it. Furthermore, he who jumps into that market soonest will make the most money, so it'll happen fast--much faster than any government can move. High prices in places of scarcity are the fuel that drives the mechanism that eliminates the scarcity. Coerce that fuel out of existence, the way the Soviets did, and you're stuck with the scarcity, the way the Soviets were.

High prices also encourage conservation. If a flat of bottled water costs $40 instead of $4, you're going to do some thinking about how badly you really need it before you buy it, rather than just picking it up as an afterthought. If you decide you don't actually need it as badly as you need certain other things, then maybe it'll still be around when somebody who does have a $40 need for a flat of bottled water comes by.

None of this has a single particle to do with greed. (The word "greed" in a political argument--especially among people who are anti-socialist--is a signal that somebody has been infected with a bit of socialist class envy that he needs to work on.) It has to do with making sure scarce life-or-death resources get distributed as well as possible as quickly as possible. The free market has always been much better at that any any iron-fisted State spouting humanitarian lies.

Then he was a thieving 70-year-old armed thug. That's all.

Preach it, Barak.

I'd not shoot anyone serving a search warrant on my home. But I'd sure nuff have smoked some dude trying to rob me at gunpoint.

Over two D-cell batteries...in the wake of a natural disaster?

For me it'd depend on the context. Nobody gets a pass from me because he's got a uniform and a badge; if he's initiating force against me, it makes no moral difference whether he's got State backing or not.

It makes some practical difference, of course, because thugs from the State have a whole lot more guns and goons backing them up than private thugs do. But criminals are criminals no matter what they wear.

It goes the other way, too. Protectors are protectors no matter what they wear, and as long as they're protecting good people trying to do good things, they're welcome in my house whether they've got a piece of paper or not.

I am thinking about putting a AR up for sale due to the current pricing and then putting the money into upgrading some of my bolt rifles. The money would be helping support a small gunsmith shop. I don't consider it price gouging in a free market. People have the right to choose and it is not in the wake of a natural disaster.

I will still have a couple of mini-14's around and I will be keeping my mags. I expect to buy a couple of AR's once things settle down.

In the scenario given, the old man was the one pulling a gun over two batteries. I'd have shot him because he pulled a ".44 magnum" on me. It's a pretty simple distinction to make.

How would you react if it was your kid working the counter and somebody pulled a gun on them because they didn't like the prices? It'd take me just a quick minute to track that guy down and set his house on fire.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I don't always agree with everything you say, but I'm liking you more and more.

Unless that someone trying to rob you at gunpoint has a badge, I gather.

I see the democrap underground troll is back....................

Bluedreaux......what if the old man had been your dad, and he needed those batteries for his flashlight so he could see enough to dig one of your dearest loved ones out from underneath a destroyed house (who incidentally was being crushed by a heavy beam) and was in obvious danger of losing both legs and maybe their life too?

The old man pulled out his wallet too! He needed nothing else...just the two batteries...in the wake of a bad tornado. Killing someone over two batteries is highly illogical.

GFY You have got to be one of the dumbest SOB's on this forum. When people talk about the wide open spaces out west they must be talking about that wasteland between your ears.

Lotsa killers on this forum. LOL!

Hey! Nobody talks to my buddy eh76 like that!

M7300SAUM,

A while back we had a cyber discussion about who killed Kennedy. While Dallas cops wanted to solve JFK's murder, when one of their brother officers was murdered, I think Dallas cops shifted their priority from solving Kennedy's murder to catching the murderer of their brother officer. It turned out that Oswald was responsible for both murders.

The point is nearly everyone knows that when a federal, state, or local cop is murdered, all agencies coalesce and cooperate to the extreme to ID & catch the murderer of their brother/sister cop.

It seems as though some posters here think that should confiscation occur it will be cops' fault as though cops are capable of making law. What they don't seem to grasp is that cops will be assigned/ordered to perform dirty work of slimy politicians that cops assuredly hate as much as they'll hate performing their assigned/ordered duties. Some posters here seem to want to direct their anger at fed/state/local cops performing their assigned/ordered duties w/o realizing that cops are fathers/mothers/sons/daughters/sisters/brothers, etc.

Gun control began a century ago when Wilson tried to dupe Americans into the League of Nations. We've lost many of our rights to incremental compromises that some here find virtuous. (Romney was wonderful because he was a coalition builder. Eff that!) Until posters here wise up to the reality that left-right is a false dichotomy designed to divert their attention from what's being done to then -often with their acquiescence- complete confiscation, the Brady crowd's true objective, will become reality.

I hope that the posters here who have ridiculed the only authentic patriot running for president in '12 do not have to rue the day they were duped into lemming status. I do not believe that any gun rights organization can save our Second Amendment, especially the NRA. However, I do believe the Liberty Movement is the best and maybe last hope of resurrecting what was once the greatest country this world has ever known. If we're able to restore liberty we won't have to worry about defending the Second Amendment.

If those cherishing liberty want to restore liberty while protecting our Second Amendment, donate to the Liberty Movement instead of gun rights organizations. If we fail to elect authentic stalwart patriots, for a short while longer we'll be fighting a losing battle to keep our Second Amendment.

I have transitioned from a lifelong staunch Republican to the point of wanting to see that neocon infested illegitimate cohesion of whiskered rats dissolved into tiny rat nests. Republicans will take our guns just as surely as Feinstein, yet they'll offer plausible rationale such as, "While you'll have to surrender nearly every firearm you own, because of my unwavering commitment to our Second Amendment and the NRA, I was able to save your air rifles." And gullible Americans will buy that line of BS because Benedict Arnold has an "R" after his name.

oh you hurt my feelers! not...you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are nothing more than a liberal troll. you aren't a very good comedienne so don't give up your day job with OWS

What are you going to do about it, shoot me?

but obviously light years ahead of you two... maybe you girls should get a room

Well big talker, you don't like me or what I post. What are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing. LOL!

actually loud mouth troll just what i do to all of your ilk...as you aren't worth the oxygen you consume or the space you occupy. only other 2 I have on ignore are maser and some stupid meth head we named francis so you will be in good company...adios!

life is much better now ...say hello to diaper boy and you might want to consider rehab....

Thanks. I won't miss your misinformed comments. Life just got better.

eh76,

I just read your signature, It clearly defines you. Apparently you are suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a mental illness. You are wholly incapable of interpreting God's will. Your self-imposed ability to interpret God's will is blasphemy. Leave God's will for creating any man on Earth (Earth is the name of our planet; hence, a proper noun that is capitalized.) to God. You need all of your energy to worry about yourself and your importance to whomever it is you're important. Let's hope you are important to God.

Yep, that's why the old man was incredibly stupid to pull a gun on someone, over two batteries.

My goodness people can be sense.

...more than likely he was very desperate. Could have easily been a scenario such as I mentioned earlier.

raisuli......you are killin me...go snuggle up with your boy saum....I guess I forgot to put your new alias on ignore...so you go join diaper boy and your gal saum adios!

much better...you are just a dishonest person...you get booted off and come back with a new username...shows a complete lack of character. you are just the same old troll..

funny thing about people like you a your girl saum...nobody will ever meet you...you are just loud mouth electronic blips.

oh and by the way you might want to consider rehab too...whatever you are smoking or drinking has you pretty messed up ...you type like gus..you are seeing things that just aren't there

So are politicians.

And yes, cops will take the worst of it, because that's their purpose; it's what the politicians use them for.

Keep the populace in line, torture and kill as many of them as you have to (but no more, because that might impact our tax revenues, and without sufficient tax revenues it'll be hard for us to get enough votes to stay in power), and while you're at it, protect our sorry butts from anybody who may become...disgruntled.

As long as the cops do what the politicians tell them to do, it would take an awfully disciplined populace to go after the politicians instead of the cops. Mobs don't have much of a tendency toward discipline.

I decided that it isn't gouging if you post an auction starting at a MSRP starting point or less with no reserve.



Merry Christmas!!!!!

You might want to run your assumption by Rick Bin. He knows exactly who I am.

What's killing you is having to think.

What distinguishes us is that I'm my own man. You'll pucker up to olfactorius orifices in effort to gain the illusion of intelligence. Be a man and do your own thinking. It was following morons that exposed your lack of cranial ability in the first place.

Be careful: narcissism might just be on the watch out list for gun ownership...

There are lots of options to get batteries besides pulling a gun on someone.

And if my family was trapped under a beam in a collapsed house in the dead of night is probably pick up a friend and drive on down to the 7-11 to pick up some spare batteries and argue with the clerk about the price....Get real.

You can try and justify it all you want. It's an old man throwing a temper tantrum with a store clerk at gunpoint because he didn't get his way.

See again thread has gotten way off original subject...

But as to the OP

It's what's wrong with this country GREED!


Phil

I wasn't there so I don't know for sure. You weren't there either...
But I do know that, under the circumstances described by the eyewitness who mentioned it here, I certainly would not have killed him.

It's like screwing your best friends wife and expectiing he's going to thank you. Because he was just too tired when he came home from a hard day at the office.

But what if the best friends wife asked for it?