Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity
Originally Posted by Los Angeles Times
David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.
Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.
Torrance police say the man was driving a pickup resembling the fugitive's. The incident happened just after the LAPD fired on women delivering newspapers nearby.
David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.
Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue. ...
Those LEO's are a shameful act! They are looking for a huge burly black man and they open fire on a slender white guy!!!
This is police madness, inexcusable madness. You try and do this sort of criminally negligent shootings on an innocent black guy and see what will happen to you while in custody.
Thank God, these irresponsible idiots missed their target and none of their shots hit the innocent bloke.
Thank God again, none of their shots hit a bystander, otherwise Michelle would have crossed the country to lecture us against the evil guns and the need to control them.
The list of folks who are going to retire absurdly rich on the back of CA tax payers is growing. Its just a shame that big chunk ofthat money doesn't come from the officers themselves.
I hope huge punitive damages are awarded. That DOES come from the cops pockets. This is miserable. That level of fear is disgusting. I would make a bet that none of those guys are service veterans but HIGHLY likely to be college grads. A very higher percentage of those have NEVER been knocked on their ass in their entire life and do not respond well to being afraid.
the police can evidently shoot anyone they wan,t with impunity. All they have to say is "OFFICER SAFETY"!!!
Precisely. They are today's equivalent of the armed-retainer class in the service of the ruling elite. The rest of us have become the peasantry, in the eyes of the law expendable.
that phrase is going the way of "smaller more responsible, transparent gov't"
just words, no meaning
The solution, of course, would be to eliminate the very idea of platoons of armed agents of state roaming about seeking whom to devour. The whole idea is antithetical to a free republic. The general objection to such a circumstance contributed largely to the cause of the Revolutionary War.
What a bunch of loose cannons. And we all know who would go down in such an instance if an innocent citizen decided to defend himself even when the police mistakenly started it. Certainly a good argument for demanding that the public pack a fully automatic weapon and about a 1000 rds of ammo at all times. Never know when one might get hammered and fired on. Thankfully they have proven themselves quite inept. Can't hit the target even with a blindside attack.
In these cases, the offending officers and their superiors should be immediately fired. They obviously can not safely intermngle with a law abiding public. The city should also have to dip into it's police budget and extract the millions those innocent citizens will be awarded. The punitive damages in this case should really hurt.
The shoot first and let God sort it out should not be the creed of California's law enforcement.
Finally, If that person's rig had been licensed and identifiable, this type of thing would never happen.
and equal justice for all that phrase is going the way of "smaller more responsible, transparent gov't" just words, no meaning
The solution, of course, would be to eliminate the very idea of platoons of armed agents of state roaming about seeking whom to devour. The whole idea is antithetical to a free republic. The general objection to such a circumstance contributed largely to the cause of the Revolutionary War.
I'm not holding my breath, though.
No way in hell they're going to give up all the ground they've gained in recent years. They're going to keep pushing foreward, count on it.
I'm just glad so far none of these officers of the "law" can hit what they're shooting at. Don't count on that to continue, though. Smart money is investing in body bags right now.
Also, out of curiousity I'm wondering at the gender of the Cops involved. I'm gonna float a WAG that a panicked guy is more likely to initiate inappropriate force than a woman.
Both incidents happened at about the same time, . This one just didn't get as much coverage. I believe both incidents involved houses that had "protective" details and vehicles that, due to whatever reasons, didn't stop immediately as they approached the houses. It was dark and the paper ladies didn't have their lights on. The were evidently spooked by the cops and took off faster toward the house. Not good enough. The LAPD's insurance company will pay.
That said, these threads about Dorner have proven very informative...lots of idiots identified.
Sure doesn't speak well of their competency though, either.
Kinda doubt much is going to happen to them though & when Dorner is finally caught, this will more or less all blow over & just become something that was necessary in the bigger scope of things.
Well it seems that there are some problems with the Law Enforcement out in California or so they say. I am not one to buy into every thing posted on the Net, things get miss reported to down right made up. But there is a problem, shooting the wrong car with a couple of short asian ladies in it is not good and its going to cost them a lot of money. But that is a minor problem, the policeman let off how many rounds all together, 60 -70? This is poor fire control no matter how you wish to cut it. They both need to be fired on the spot, I know that a lot of them are on edge, but you have to make examples for the rest, defend yourself when you need to is fine by me, no problem but dam it make for dam sure when you do its justified. Christ those to ladies were no threat to anybody other than being asian, they might be if you were a cat! I know that was crass but hey you have to look on the bright side of things too. As for that guy they are looking for, he is long gone from the area- I would bet he is either some where in the Mid West. He is not were they are looking.
defend yourself when you need to is fine by me, no problem but dam it make for dam sure when you do its justified.
Just by comparison, many of the troops in Afghanistan, a "war zone", mind you, can only fire when fired upon.
But incompetent LA LEO's can fire at will.......at the WRONG targets no less.
There's a bit of a problem here, I think.
Not likely to happen, but I hope the LAPD gets sued & loses to really BIG TIME $$$$$$$$$$$ & some folks get some serious jail time to go along with it.
This is so bad on so many different levels, it's really hard to even comprehend...........something seriously wrong with the shooters involved in both mistaken identity cases.
And the cover up & lame excuses from the higher ups & the LA City Council will now begin............
I'm sure that LAPD will get sued big time for big money. BUT, I will be the one paying for it, from 200 miles north no less. Anyone think this money will come from just LA? How about the LEO's union? No, all the citizens of this state will have to pony up, Moonbeam will see to it.
Also, out of curiousity I'm wondering at the gender of the Cops involved. I'm gonna float a WAG that a panicked guy is more likely to initiate inappropriate force than a woman.
Birdwatcher
Female police officers are rarely more than technically categorizable as women.
defend yourself when you need to is fine by me, no problem but dam it make for dam sure when you do its justified.
Just by comparison, many of the troops in Afghanistan, a "war zone", mind you, can only fire when fired upon.
But incompetent LA LEO's can fire at will.......at the WRONG targets no less.
There's a bit of a problem here, I think.
Not likely to happen, but I hope the LAPD gets sued & loses to really BIG TIME $$$$$$$$$$$ & some folks get some serious jail time to go along with it.
This is so bad on so many different levels, it's really hard to even comprehend...........something seriously wrong with the shooters involved in both mistaken identity cases.
And the cover up & lame excuses from the higher ups & the LA City Council will now begin............
MM
That's an excellent post, exactly how I feel. I'm furious about this garbage. When these cops can do this, and IF they get away with it w/o serious personal consequences, i.e. decade or more jail time, there will no longer be any doubt in my mind that this is going to be all out war. Us the peasantry, against the elite and their enforcers. I think about battered women who get restraining orders against psycho guys and the cops act luke-warm about it, then she ends up dead. Now these cops know how she fears, probably for the first time in their lives. If the average person can deal with fear, even for their lives, a trained professional should be able to hold it together well enough to at least not attack random similar color vehicles!!! As far as I'm concerned, immediate firing, attempted murder or similar charges, long sentences. We cannot stand by and allow this in America.
I'm furious about this garbage. When these cops can do this, and IF they get away with it w/o serious personal consequences, i.e. decade or more jail time, there will no longer be any doubt in my mind that this is going to be all out war. Us the peasantry, against the elite and their enforcers. I think about battered women who get restraining orders against psycho guys and the cops act luke-warm about it, then she ends up dead. Now these cops know how she fears, probably for the first time in their lives. If the average person can deal with fear, even for their lives, a trained professional should be able to hold it together well enough to at least not attack random similar color vehicles!!! As far as I'm concerned, immediate firing, attempted murder or similar charges, long sentences. We cannot stand by and allow this in America.
Calm down, dude............you're getting too worked up over this.
But I do kinda wonder what happened when an "officer" discharged a gun..........thought that meant an automatic suspension from active duty & an internal investigation? Perhaps not in LA.............
Both incidents happened at about the same time, . This one just didn't get as much coverage. I believe both incidents involved houses that had "protective" details and vehicles that, due to whatever reasons, didn't stop immediately as they approached the houses. It was dark and the paper ladies didn't have their lights on. The were evidently spooked by the cops and took off faster toward the house. Not good enough. The LAPD's insurance company will pay.
That said, these threads about Dorner have proven very informative...lots of idiots identified.
don't be so hard on those Kalifornia Kops Pat, I am sure there are some that are not idiots.
Well IMHO only, Dorner's truck was already parked on the side of the road, at Big Bear, before any of the shootings occurred. He is in someone else's car, which "is" not in his name. LAPD has no idea what he is driving. They looked it up, started shooting all blue trucks. He's was not in a blue truck.
All he had to do was drive the 80 miles in an unknown auto, start his truck on fire and drive 80 miles back to LA. 100's of LEO's tied up on the mountain looking.
He's in LA somewhere in an unknown auto outside of some motel.
Well IMHO only, Dorner's truck was already parked on the side of the road, at Big Bear, before any of the shootings occurred. He is in someone else's car, which "is" not in his name. LAPD has no idea what he is driving. They looked it up, started shooting all blue trucks. He's was not in a blue truck.
All he had to do was drive the 80 miles in an unknown auto, start his truck on fire and drive 80 miles back to LA. 100's of LEO's tied up on the mountain looking.
He's in LA somewhere in an unknown auto outside of some motel.
Well IMHO only, Dorner's truck was already parked on the side of the road, at Big Bear, before any of the shootings occurred. He is in someone else's car, which "is" not in his name. LAPD has no idea what he is driving. They looked it up, started shooting all blue trucks. He's was not in a blue truck.
All he had to do was drive the 80 miles in an unknown auto, start his truck on fire and drive 80 miles back to LA. 100's of LEO's tied up on the mountain looking.
He's in LA somewhere in an unknown auto outside of some motel.
We don't have (m)any rights in America anymore, do we? It's all about SWAT trained and attired police and their justifiable fear. Well guess the hell what? WE have fears too, and it's mostly about the out of control people who are supposed to be protecting and serving us, the TAXPAYERS supporting and electing them. I think some large-scale firings, recall elections, and impeachment(s) are in order. It's time to clean this sh*t up and send these people back to making a living in a position that affords them no opportunity to Lord their will over the populace anymore.
Except for a small % of LEO's, who here thinks these are just isolated incidents which could only happen in LA?
Not me. With the attitudes pervasive in the American police culture, just about any police force will start shooting with disregard for innocent, non-police officer, human life, under like circumstances. Raise the temps a little more, and they'll start pulling triggers on "civilians" who look at them sideways, just in case.
It's our obligation to throw our arms up and pea ourselves when SWAT blows our door down.
Not an obligation really, but if you don't, I guarantee that you, your wife, your kids & your dog will all be dead.........maybe even have your house burned down along with all your other family & friend's houses as well.
It's our obligation to throw our arms up and pea ourselves when SWAT blows our door down.
Not an obligation really, but if you don't, I guarantee that you, your wife, your kids & your dog will all be dead.........maybe even have your house burned down along with all your other family & friend's houses as well.
MM
and don't forget, the cops WILL find kiddie porn on your computer. That seems to happen in every case.
It's our obligation to throw our arms up and pea ourselves when SWAT blows our door down.
Not an obligation really, but if you don't, I guarantee that you, your wife, your kids & your dog will all be dead.........maybe even have your house burned down along with all your other family & friend's houses as well.
MM
Usually, they kill your dog as a matter of course, so there's virtually no longer any way to cooperate with the warrant in such a way as to protect a loved canine family member. The very purpose of requiring a warrant in the first place was to give everyone an opportunity to behave in such a way as to prevent violence under the presumption that all parties involved are completely innocent of any charge. SWAT, the way it's come to be routinely employed, essentially nullifies that purpose.
In those unfortunate miss identification shootings, they aren't mentioning all the sprayed bullets that hit trees, other vehicles, houses, and what-not in the area! At least not much... paper mentioned it with one sentence.
i came from caifornia and i can tell you that beyond reproach the police department are the only people qualified to have firearms according to every politician there.
this is only somewhat amusing, as there will be even more innocent people that get hurt because of police incompetence. they are trying too hard to stop this, kinda makes U wonder doesn't it.
Tell me again, I forget. Who is it that needs high capacity mags taken away from them?
I swear, if up to me, it'd be one bullet in their shirt pocket and a requisition form to submit to Andy if that one is used. I told people clear back in high school the only way I'd be a cop is if on internal affairs division policing the police.
No offense to any of the good cops, but it seems to me, and I've said many times before, if police policed their own ranks first and didn't stick up for one another with this us vs them fraternity mentality we'd all be a lot safer.
Usually, they kill your dog as a matter of course, so there's virtually no longer any way to cooperate with the warrant in such a way as to protect a loved canine family member. The very purpose of requiring a warrant in the first place was to give everyone an opportunity to behave in such a way as to prevent violence under the presumption that all parties involved are completely innocent of any charge. SWAT, the way it's come to be routinely employed, essentially nullifies that purpose.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is just as big a lie as "it's a free country".
Unless you're a cop.
Then you'll be treated as innocent even after proven guilty.
That "us vs them" attitude will bring about a shoting war between we the people and our public servants before any other single thing ongoing.
I honestly do not understand what has gone wrong in our society to allow things to come this far. Simply unfathomable.
1 counted 45 bullet holes in the truck, WTF is wrong with those idiots. Makes me think Dorner is right, don't the leos know his truck was BURNED?
Thast doesn't count all the stray bullets from those nervous hands.
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On Friday, Kathy Merkosky, 53, was outside her stucco home pointing out the six bullet holes that pierced the bumper and grille of her silver Acura MDX. She knew her SUV was damaged when she spotted it on television and "saw fluid flowing into the street." Her radiator was busted, she said.
Her Ford Focus had two bullet holes as well -- one bullet shattered the windshield and another penetrated her front left tire. Police officers told her husband to file a claim with the department, she said.
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After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile.
In those unfortunate miss identification shootings, they aren't mentioning all the sprayed bullets that hit trees, other vehicles, houses, and what-not in the area! At least not much... paper mentioned it with one sentence.
Phil
Yeah! You'd think the sensationalizing msm and the libs would be all up in arms. They shot some innocent trees! Oh the HORROR!
Other things unfathomably wrong with our society. Liberals hold trees and animals in higher regard than humans. And many cops, too, hold human life in very low regard.
Humans are becoming more and more like unthinking, uncaring machines all the time.
Usually, they kill your dog as a matter of course, so there's virtually no longer any way to cooperate with the warrant in such a way as to protect a loved canine family member. The very purpose of requiring a warrant in the first place was to give everyone an opportunity to behave in such a way as to prevent violence under the presumption that all parties involved are completely innocent of any charge. SWAT, the way it's come to be routinely employed, essentially nullifies that purpose.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is just as big a lie as "it's a free country".
Unless you're a cop.
Then you'll be treated as innocent even after proven guilty.
That "us vs them" attitude will bring about a shoting war between we the people and our public servants before any other single thing ongoing.
I honestly do not understand what has gone wrong in our society to allow things to come this far. Simply unfathomable.
I think that even the pretense of the rule of law has been largely abandoned during this past decade or so. I think that's what we've been observing all around.
They shot his truck AFTER he had been pulled over and ID's...then they rammed him off the road hard enough to break his rear end in half and deploy his front and side air bags... WHILE shooting at the drivers windscreen.
They shot his truck AFTER he had been pulled over and ID's...then they rammed him off the road hard enough to break his rear end in half and deploy his front and side air bags... WHILE shooting at the drivers windscreen.
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