I read a disturbing post on Facebook today, written by a woman I know in Wisconsin. She is an insurance agent, with far more expertise and experience in deciphering the myriad rules and regulations of Obamacare than most of us.

She has multiple herniated discs in her neck, and has been in severe pain for some time. She is finally getting the surgery she needs. But in the process of getting the prior authorizations she needed for all her diagnostics and finally her surgery, she learned something alarming:

"Surgery Thursday and feeling really blessed. Did some digging and discovered had these disc herniations happened 2 years from now I would not be eligible for this procedure. A 43 year old woman does not have enough "productive years in the work force" left in her life to justify the cost of this surgery under the Federalization of our healthcare system. There would however be an endless supply of mind numbing medications and disability payments for me.....Get your knees and hips done while you can seniors....I am afraid you guys are the ones who are really in for it."

We are soooo screwed, folks...

We got similar news a while back, and it is frightening. We hurried and got all my wife's joint, back, and hernia surgeries done.

I think the fundamental concept for deciding whether treatment is approved or not is QARY, Quality Adjusted Remaining Years. If you don't have a lot of productive years left in you, your treatment probably won't be approved.

Well two years from now if you're a conservative you probably won't qualify for anything other than paying taxes.

Beware the wrath of the Boomers! When our life becomes intolerable from all of this there'll be no downside to taking a BUNCH of politicians with us!

And yes, I do hope my posts are being monitored by an out of control regime.

So they won't pay for surgery to fix the problem, but they'll pay for meds and disability checks? Good thinking.

Unbelievable.

Yep. I'm getting a new knee in July, primarily because I suspect that it will not be so easy to get the procedure approved in 2014 and beyond.

The avalanche of scandals has pushed ObamaCare to a back burner.

It won�t stay there long

FEMA work camps.

Medical tourism is a big and growing business. Look for it to explode in the coming years. When you are turned down here for medicare you won't be able to even have the surgery or treatment even if you pay for it out of your pocket.

Many folks are getting on planes and going to Mexico, Costa Rica, India and other countries for low cost surgeries with excellent outcomes. Hell many of the world's doctors either went to med school in the USA or did rotations in US hospitals before they settled into their homeland medical system.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Anticipation of health care rationing was the primary reason I pushed my Cardiologist to go ahead and put in the ICD Defib/pacer last fall.
I was not convinced I needed it, but felt if I did not get it installed when I could, 'they' might not let me get one later.

It is getting real SCARY out there.

this means with my problems im really gonna be [bleep]

"Obamacare will result in an 88% premium hike in Ohio

A local NBC affiliate, WHIZ in Zanesville, Ohio, is reporting that Obamacare will cause health care premiums to increase 88 percent."

Right on Bro! I don't plan on going alone.

I suspect medical tourism is definitely the future. The biggest problem with Obamacare is it doesn't increase the supply of healthcare and instead creates a rationing system. The country's health systems you mentioned aren't plagued by a bloated legal system like ours which is a huge competitive advantage - just hope your foreign doctor doesn't screw up.

Yu can thank northwestasshole, hunterzero1, suck asschuck jeffblow, and the like..........

Sam,
Wifey has to go in next Tuesday to have her's re-connected. Apparently wiring has worked loose. Possibly a result of her earlier LVAD surgery. Who knows???

Bob

I was talking with a tax attorney last week who just gave a talk about the 2014 changes due to Obamacare. He said there are 20 new taxes in the bill that will affect everyone, regardless of your tax bracket. They are mostly hidden taxes that most people will never even be aware of.

When is healthcare going to be rationed for those who abuse it the most...? Seems a huge proportion of ER patients are MedicAid recipients who routinely come to the ER with non-emergency problems...like diaper rash, cough and congestion, mosquito bites...and people with 'chronic pain' problems seeking narcotics, etc.. The abuse of the healthcare system routinely by these people...all at the expense of the taxpayers, is astounding. When is this abuse of the ER's and the taxpayers going to be rationed...?
Same thing by indigent women having baby after baby after baby...all at the expense of the taxpayers.

Geez. Wonder how letsgetreal is gonna handle this onelce his/it's preexisting condition, that now won't be covered. Ends up giving him/it. A problem that requires surgery and the.gov says he/it dont have enough useful years left. Thats just gonna be a shame-----not

Well, didn't OH vote in the majority to re-elect the Azzhole-In-Chief??

Guess they better not whine and cry then, IYAM... All them O-voters better not utter so much as one PEEP of complaint. They wanted it, they voted for it and now they GOT it.. Screw them...

And if you complain about it or run for office, they will leak your medical records.

very nice

Those f@cking Libs like it - they think rationing is more "just" than allowing people to buy the care they want and can afford.

Here's a recent report from north of your borders. At least in Manitoba, critical surgeries are performed in a timely manner (whatever timely means) but elective surgeries suffer badly. They are proposing new policies to guarantee that such elective surgeries happen within 18 months. That's the improvement on the current wait times, 18 months. Compare that to however your system performs.

You're right about Ohio going for Obama. However, the sad part is that only 10-11 counties went for him, but unfortunately that's where the population centers are...like many other states.


maddog

It's never to late to repeal something. Let everybody get a good taste of O care. When they have had enought , suddenly the politicians will wake up. Scared for their jobs, just like most gun grabbers did. The difference is this effects every one not just gun owners. Hasbeen

While I fully agree with that, the damn thing should have NEVER (I repeat NEVER) have been allowed to be judged Constitutional... Just think of all the nightmares associated with this crap if it would have been thrown out?? The money, the lawsuits, the bill-after-bill-after-bill to toss it out - only to have Hairy-Azzed Reid round-file it.. And all THAT is just a fraction of all things/people associated with it..

(Thanks RINO Roberts, you POS)

Someone once said: KIll 'em all, Let God sort "en out. Seems to fit, don't it?

Terry

Can you imagine how many layers of bureaucratic paper-shuffling jobs this will create. Good paying Govt. jobs is all this admin. is capable of creating. Somebody has to pay for all that paper-shufflin'. Is there anything to do with quality healthcare included in this multi-Trillion dollar experiment? I am skeptical.

In my office we have a large percentage, maybe a third, of patients that are on welfare or full disability. Those are the patients we see weekly for inane bs problems. Stuff that people who are employed and have healthcare wouldn't bother with. But if its free, why not abuse it? Makes me want to puke. In my estimation, this third of the patient populace makes up a full 90% of the appointments. It has been proven that 15% of the population is responsible for 90% of the healthcare dollars spent. I could go on and on.........

The constitutionality of ObamaCare has not yet been fully determined.

True, SCOTUS did rule that the penalty portion of the law is constitutional since it is really a tax.

However:

1. It also ruled that as a tax, the penalty could not be greatly increased. It's only a constitutional tax if it stays at fairly modest (non-coercive) levels. They can't increase the penalty to force people into the system. That will cause the system to fail.

2. Since it is now a tax, the law is subject to the constitutional provision that all revenue bills must originate in the House. The Senate took a completely unrelated bill the House had passed, stripped out all the text, and kept the bill number. They then inserted the ObamaCare bill under that number. Does that qualify as having the bill originate in the House? Personally, I doubt it, but the suits are working their way up through the courts. We'll find out.

Personally, I'd have a very good day if SCOTUS struck down the law under the origination clause.

Ohio can GFI. They elected the sumbich.

Just found out today my premium went up 2600 bucks to renew....

Well, if you count 98% as not 'fully' a done deal, I guess you're correct.

Define 'greatly'.. Define 'fairly modest'.. Ya think they care? Besides, that'll just give 'em more of a legal reason to deny coverage to those who don't have a lot of 'meaningful contribution to society' left to justify the expense..

Yep.. You can bet the Azzhole-In-Chief, through his butt-buddy E. Holder will say "oh, you betcha.." Hah. Doubtful - Most courts have said the plaintiff's 'lack standing', IIRC.. But that won't matter. These judges all have families.. And if the Chief Justice can be arm-wrestled into submission, these judges are gonna be like taking candy from a baby..

A very good day indeed.. But don't be surprised if (1) it doesn't get there and (2) that, even if it does, Roberts will find a way to 'make the law work, not overturn laws passed by Congress'..

Exactly...

.gov can shove it up their ass, blowbammy care don't apply to me.

Gunner

It's not only Ohio that's going up 88%. The guy that works across the hall from me wife works at Blue Cross and she says its going to happen to every body that is paying into the system whether directly or through there employer. When you add all of those no payers someone has to pay.

That sucks, just another load of logs on the backs of the working men and women.

Gunner

How would you do the math to project the number of "productive years in the work force" for a third generation welfare recipient?

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Ought to be able to tie them up in the legal system if the plaintiffs choose a suitably conservative jurisdiction to file.

With many, if not most, businesses laying off people, or cutting hours to under 30, one wonders what all this 'employer' money might add up to?

IIRC, word is that the gov't never considered (naturally - them damned unintended consequences) that businesses would cut hours to 29 or less in order to avoid this hated (and IMHO STILL unconstitutional ) Obamacare..

Thanks, Roberts, you POS...