Dos this mean that all the climate pricks are going to rush out and neck themselves in shame...or will they just get a new grant to study "global freezing".
Pull your heads out of each others behinds and actually post real facts. I am sick of you guys not believing in climate change. Its real. Use real websites, and not some crappy my cousins sisters brothers website. BTW, sea ice grew in November....Great. Its down about �20,700 square miles per year. But what do scientists know.
Steve Goddard does not have a background in climate science. He has primarily published his articles in blogs and newspapers using a pseudonym, and it is unlikely he has ever published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject.
Steve Goddard does not have a background in climate science. He has primarily published his articles in blogs and newspapers using a pseudonym, and it is unlikely he has ever published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject.
Peer-reviewed...lol.
Bunch of @ssholes backing each other up.
Remember all of the "peer-reviewed" emails and corruption from a few years ago? P.R. Lost all credibility whether you will admit it or not.
Put down the climate change crack pipe, it's simply their device for pending united nations-sanctioned redistribution of wealth.
Pull your heads out of each others behinds and actually post real facts. I am sick of you guys not believing in climate change. Its real. Use real websites, and not some crappy my cousins sisters brothers website. BTW, sea ice grew in November....Great. Its down about �20,700 square miles per year. But what do scientists know.
Pull your heads out of each others behinds and actually post real facts. I am sick of you guys not believing in climate change. Its real. Use real websites, and not some crappy my cousins sisters brothers website. BTW, sea ice grew in November....Great. Its down about �20,700 square miles per year. But what do scientists know.
Goodness gracious he found himself one of them there charts. Don't you guys ever get tired of being the laughing stock? Get out of your snuggy, put down that hot chocolate and pull your head out of your ass!
Pull your heads out of each others behinds and actually post real facts. I am sick of you guys not believing in climate change. Its real. Use real websites, and not some crappy my cousins sisters brothers website. BTW, sea ice grew in November....Great. Its down about �20,700 square miles per year. But what do scientists know.
LOL if this is true how the hell is that ship stuck in the ice. Maybe this has happened every year and they have just been hiding it from us so we wouldn't panic. Nothing worse than panic.
The Earth's climate is changing, as it has been for billions of years...the problem is that halfwits tell me it is my fault and that I have to give my money in the mistaken belief that something should be done.
The whole thing is all about filthy pricks scaring twits and stealing their money, because there is not one single thing we can do to change the weather fluctuating.
If some pieces of rubbish in India/China has a filthy economy then go and bitch at them...I am right at the verge of thinking that all greenies and their associated bum-buddies should all be taken out and flogged to death.
You can't post a chart for the Arctic and say global sea ice is decreasing. "Global" sea ice is... well, global. Artic PLUS AntArctic.
It's like saying you get more hair as you get older because of the hair in your ears.
Here's your sign.
+1!!! Post a "chart", and using that irrefutable scientific data (all bullet words to enhance credibility) make your point. Neglect to mention your chart represents a particular area, and does NOT represent GLOBAL trends. I might add that climate science has been - shall we say - less than credible in the past. Seems like the guys spending the money on grants get just what they expected. Go figger....
Uh huh. "Peer review" among the global warming lot is like asking gang members if the perp's alibi is true. (I won't call them scientists because they don't hold to scientific processes)
Pull your heads out of each others behinds and actually post real facts. I am sick of you guys not believing in climate change. Its real. Use real websites, and not some crappy my cousins sisters brothers website. BTW, sea ice grew in November....Great. Its down about �20,700 square miles per year. But what do scientists know.
Yeah, you dummies. And ifin it keeps on gettin more warmer, Greeland will end up green agin, too. How'd youse guys feel if that crap happened an everybody died, huh?
Pull your heads out of each others behinds and actually post real facts. I am sick of you guys not believing in climate change.
And I am sick of junk science,"scientists" who fabricate data to advance an agenda,get caught at it and then change the platform to substantiate global control over other countries resources and usurp their sovereignty;and indoctrinating children to a philosophy that borders on religious zeal while you lie about the fate of polar bears,among other things.
You people have been proved wrong so many times on s many issues you no longer have any credibility.I don't believe you.
As I've said many times, there is a huge difference between "climate change" and "human-caused climate change." One exists and one doesn't.
There is and always has been climate change. The Earth cycles between ice ages and warm ages; it has done so many, MANY times.
But - and this is key - Earth does it ALL ON ITS OWN. Always has, and always will. We have nothing to do with it, and if we try to alter it we'd either fail or so screw it up that we'd end up killing ourselves off.
As I've said many times, there is a huge difference between "climate change" and "human-caused climate change." One exists and one doesn't.
There is and always has been climate change. The Earth cycles between ice ages and warm ages; it has done so many, MANY times.
But - and this is key - Earth does it ALL ON ITS OWN. Always has, and always will. We have nothing to do with it, and if we try to alter it we'd either fail or so screw it up that we'd end up killing ourselves off.
Now that might be extreme. I believe that humans have caused some climate change, the amount of forests cut down, the amount of CO2 put into the air, the amount of heat absorbing concrete laid down, the effect of human caused forest fires - and the effeect of human prevented forest/prairie fires, etc.
The question is how MUCH effect have humans had? It's impossible to really talk with the climate gang who are busy making up data, hiding data, whatever it takes to push their political agenda through.
Might be a difference of 0.1 degree. Might be apocalypse - though I doubt that greatly. The problem is the left has no credibility, in fact their mantra now is to stop ALL discussion and force their views and agenda upon us.
I believe that humans have caused some climate change, the amount of forests cut down, the amount of CO2 put into the air, the amount of heat absorbing concrete laid down, the effect of human caused forest fires - and the effeect of human prevented forest/prairie fires, etc.
Just for some historical perspective that I'm sure isn't unique to North America, but when European settlers arrived, they documented the fact that Indians regularly burnt off the terrain, even in areas like NY state. Period accounts indicate that when Boone drove a wagon train through Cumberland Gap, that the forest was clear enough to drive wagons through without a whole lot of cutting. So, fire was far more common in pre-Columbian times than today. I've also seen it proposed that there are more trees on N America today than there were when Columbus came ashore.
ice flow melting attributed to a much better lubricated glacier....
Scientists at the British Antarctic Survey say that the melting of the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf in Antarctica has suddenly slowed right down in the last few years, confirming earlier research which suggested that the shelf's melt does not result from human-driven global warming.
The Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica and its associated sea ice shelf is closely watched: this is because unlike most of the sea ice around the austral continent, its melt rate has seemed to be accelerating quickly since scientists first began seriously studying it in the 1990s.
Many researchers had suggested that this was due to human-driven global warming, which appeared to be taking place rapidly at that time (though it has since gone on hold for 15 years or so, a circumstance which science is still assimilating).
However back in 2009 the British Antarctic Survey sent its Autosub robot probe under the shelf (famously powered by some 5,000 ordinary alkaline D-cell batteries on each trip beneath the ice, getting through no less than four tonnes of them during the research). The Autosub survey revealed that a previously unknown marine ridge lay below the shelf, over which the icepack had for millennia been forced to grind its way en route to the ocean. However in relatively recent times the ice had finally so ground down the ridge that the sea could flow in between shelf and ridge, freeing the ice to move much faster and warming it too.
As we reported at the time, this caused BAS boffins to suggest that the observed accelerating ice flow and melt seen since the '90s was actually a result of the ridge's erosion and sea ingress, rather than global warming.
Now, the latest BAS research has revealed that rather than accelerating, "oceanic melting of the ice shelf into which the glacier flows decreased by 50 per cent between 2010 and 2012".
Uh huh. "Peer review" among the global warming lot is like asking gang members if the perp's alibi is true. (I won't call them scientists because they don't hold to scientific processes)
The Peer Review just wasn't wide enough:
Peer Review isn't valid unless it includes competent scientist.
Calhoun, I think that the examples you cite are better described as changes in micro-climate. Urban heat islands are well documented, but whether they translate to more than a local or at most a regional affect on climate is doubtful.
You do bring up the good point that there is different scopes of climate. Paving all of Rhode Island would definitely change the climate for that region, but probably have no effect on California much less New Zealand.
All of which discussion is being shut down by the "Global Warmist" jihadists. "The science is settled" call for silence of all debate is going to go down in history as one of the worst era's for science since Galileo's trial.
Methinks sierra bravo stands for Schitt for Brains...........
Sore Butt maybe?
I love my guns and country and God. But I have been to the Amazon and saw what gold mining and logging have done to the Amazon. Been to Africa three times hunting, and saw how mining has not only ravaged countries but rivers, and made them run full of sediment. Worked in Alaska and saw how forests are slowly changing from a warmer climate, and how permafrost isn't there where it used to be. Been all over BC, and saw massive forests clear cut and where water used to run clear its brown. I work just outside of Glacier, and have seen over the years how they have receded.
So maybe I have a sore but.
But maybe I want a place where my future children (God willing) can still hunt and fish in pristine waters. Where they can still catch Native Cutthroat trout. See Glaciers, Polar Bears (and still hunt them). And get to hike and explore still open lands. Where people love there country and there land, and keep it pristine. And where we use what we need. I lived over 16 months in a Wall Tent in the Alaska Bush, 70 miles from the nearest town off the grid, solar and wind power. It teaches you a lot on how much you really need.
And already the world is changing. Talk to you parents, grandparents about fish in the rivers, in the oceans, animals. We killed off the passenger pigeon, the carolina parakeet, and the Dusky Seaside Sparrow. GOOD the world is better without them right? Could the same be said for elk/deer/buffalo???? Hunters have brought species back from extinction because of there love of the environment and to see things wild. So will a couple of degrees hurt? Hell if I know, but I would rather not test our fate.
Calhoun, I think that the examples you cite are better described as changes in micro-climate. Urban heat islands are well documented, but whether they translate to more than a local or at most a regional affect on climate is doubtful.
These are being documented all along the north and east coast of the US as we speak on the subject.
Don't worry about those Glaciers. They are fine melting. We needed them to go anyway, because really what was the point of them? Who cares about temperature change. A little more sunscreen and in a few decades when the seas rise my property (strategically placed of course) will be ocean front!! Plus think about all the warm water fish species I can fish for.
It's not global warming. That phrase was dropped several years ago. The operant condition is now termed climate change. This way the cause can still be ascribed to man any way "they" decide.
Methinks sierra bravo stands for Schitt for Brains...........
Sore Butt maybe?
I love my guns and country and God. But I have been to the Amazon and saw what gold mining and logging have done to the Amazon. Been to Africa three times hunting, and saw how mining has not only ravaged countries but rivers, and made them run full of sediment. Worked in Alaska and saw how forests are slowly changing from a warmer climate, and how permafrost isn't there where it used to be. Been all over BC, and saw massive forests clear cut and where water used to run clear its brown. I work just outside of Glacier, and have seen over the years how they have receded.
So maybe I have a sore but.
But maybe I want a place where my future children (God willing) can still hunt and fish in pristine waters. Where they can still catch Native Cutthroat trout. See Glaciers, Polar Bears (and still hunt them). And get to hike and explore still open lands. Where people love there country and there land, and keep it pristine. And where we use what we need. I lived over 16 months in a Wall Tent in the Alaska Bush, 70 miles from the nearest town off the grid, solar and wind power. It teaches you a lot on how much you really need.
And already the world is changing. Talk to you parents, grandparents about fish in the rivers, in the oceans, animals. We killed off the passenger pigeon, the carolina parakeet, and the Dusky Seaside Sparrow. GOOD the world is better without them right? Could the same be said for elk/deer/buffalo???? Hunters have brought species back from extinction because of there love of the environment and to see things wild. So will a couple of degrees hurt? Hell if I know, but I would rather not test our fate.
Methinks sierra bravo stands for Schitt for Brains...........
Sore Butt maybe?
I love my guns and country and God. But I have been to the Amazon and saw what gold mining and logging have done to the Amazon. Been to Africa three times hunting, and saw how mining has not only ravaged countries but rivers, and made them run full of sediment. Worked in Alaska and saw how forests are slowly changing from a warmer climate, and how permafrost isn't there where it used to be. Been all over BC, and saw massive forests clear cut and where water used to run clear its brown. I work just outside of Glacier, and have seen over the years how they have receded.
So maybe I have a sore but.
But maybe I want a place where my future children (God willing) can still hunt and fish in pristine waters. Where they can still catch Native Cutthroat trout. See Glaciers, Polar Bears (and still hunt them). And get to hike and explore still open lands. Where people love there country and there land, and keep it pristine. And where we use what we need. I lived over 16 months in a Wall Tent in the Alaska Bush, 70 miles from the nearest town off the grid, solar and wind power. It teaches you a lot on how much you really need.
And already the world is changing. Talk to you parents, grandparents about fish in the rivers, in the oceans, animals. We killed off the passenger pigeon, the carolina parakeet, and the Dusky Seaside Sparrow. GOOD the world is better without them right? Could the same be said for elk/deer/buffalo???? Hunters have brought species back from extinction because of there love of the environment and to see things wild. So will a couple of degrees hurt? Hell if I know, but I would rather not test our fate.
You're talking two completely different issues. Yes, man has denuded the Amazon and killed the passenger pigeon. However, that has nothing to do with climate change. Here in Idaho, there hasn't been a glacier in the memory of any living man, or our grandparents. However, we have hundreds of moraines and glacial valleys. Idaho was once covered by glaciers but none remain today...and every one of them disappeared before the industrial revolution. It's been warming up for thousands of years. The earth has been coming out of the last ice age for millenia and will likely continue to do so in the foreseeable future. Man has had nothing to do with it, though. The North American plate is slowly drifting west. There's a hot spot down there that's under Yellowstone. Some thousands of years ago, it was under so. Idaho. We have thousands of square miles of lava flows...none man caused. When they were active, they must put millions of tons of ash in the air, none man caused. It must have greatly affected the climate, without man's help. Nature is very active and the climate changes constantly. Its done it for milllenia and is doing it now.
Kinda new to the party it was fun reading this topic.
I live in Western Wisconsin we have Frac Sand on our farm. Most people have not a clue where it came from, so I am going to tell you. Basically my farm was beach front property Frac sand is from areas that were beaches that is why the elevation that Frac Sand is found at 920 feet above current Sea-level.
So my question is how did man make all my beach front go away? And who do I contact for Reparations? Since all climate change is man made according to the believers.
I love my guns and country and God. But I have been to the Amazon and saw what gold mining and logging have done to the Amazon. Been to Africa three times hunting, and saw how mining has not only ravaged countries but rivers, and made them run full of sediment. Worked in Alaska and saw how forests are slowly changing from a warmer climate, and how permafrost isn't there where it used to be. Been all over BC, and saw massive forests clear cut and where water used to run clear its brown. I work just outside of Glacier, and have seen over the years how they have receded.
So maybe I have a sore but.
But maybe I want a place where my future children (God willing) can still hunt and fish in pristine waters. Where they can still catch Native Cutthroat trout. See Glaciers, Polar Bears (and still hunt them). And get to hike and explore still open lands. Where people love there country and there land, and keep it pristine. And where we use what we need. I lived over 16 months in a Wall Tent in the Alaska Bush, 70 miles from the nearest town off the grid, solar and wind power. It teaches you a lot on how much you really need.
And already the world is changing. Talk to you parents, grandparents about fish in the rivers, in the oceans, animals. We killed off the passenger pigeon, the carolina parakeet, and the Dusky Seaside Sparrow. GOOD the world is better without them right? Could the same be said for elk/deer/buffalo???? Hunters have brought species back from extinction because of there love of the environment and to see things wild. So will a couple of degrees hurt? Hell if I know, but I would rather not test our fate.
It is indisputable that the "Global Climate" has been warmer, in recorded history, than it is now. They used to be able to grow wine grapes in England.
Greenland was actually green at one time. The climate changes over time and that is just a simple fact.
It is a naive and stupid idea that it is better to hamstring the US economy just to be safe rather than sorry. The big polluters in the world, Brazil, Russia, India, China (known as the BRICs) are running full speed ahead and anything we do will be lost in the mud.
I believe Anthropogenic (Man Caused) Global warming is a hoax but even if true there is little to be done as the developing countries (The BRICs) will not play along and the US has so drastically reduced emissions that the is little left to be done.
The biggest problem with all this is that we really haven't been studying this stuff for very long. So neither side really knows what has happened or what will happen. We only know what's happening right now, and some on both sides use whatever piece of data suits their needs.
It's like studying the entire encyclopedia for one minute and saying you have a good understanding of the entire thing.
Do you eggheads realize that at one or more times in the Earths's history there have been periods of very little to NO ice at all? Anywhere! Then there were periods of lots MORE ice than we have now. I guess that was caused by concrete, SUVs, cutting down trees, mining,power plants.............OH NO , I forgot... Man wasn't even around at those times!!!!
I love my guns and country and God. But I have been to the Amazon and saw what gold mining and logging have done to the Amazon. Been to Africa three times hunting, and saw how mining has not only ravaged countries but rivers, and made them run full of sediment. Worked in Alaska and saw how forests are slowly changing from a warmer climate, and how permafrost isn't there where it used to be. Been all over BC, and saw massive forests clear cut and where water used to run clear its brown. I work just outside of Glacier, and have seen over the years how they have receded.
So maybe I have a sore but.
But maybe I want a place where my future children (God willing) can still hunt and fish in pristine waters. Where they can still catch Native Cutthroat trout. See Glaciers, Polar Bears (and still hunt them). And get to hike and explore still open lands. Where people love there country and there land, and keep it pristine. And where we use what we need. I lived over 16 months in a Wall Tent in the Alaska Bush, 70 miles from the nearest town off the grid, solar and wind power. It teaches you a lot on how much you really need.
And already the world is changing. Talk to you parents, grandparents about fish in the rivers, in the oceans, animals. We killed off the passenger pigeon, the carolina parakeet, and the Dusky Seaside Sparrow. GOOD the world is better without them right? Could the same be said for elk/deer/buffalo???? Hunters have brought species back from extinction because of there love of the environment and to see things wild. So will a couple of degrees hurt? Hell if I know, but I would rather not test our fate.
It is indisputable that the "Global Climate" has been warmer, in recorded history, than it is now. They used to be able to grow wine grapes in England.
Greenland was actually green at one time. The climate changes over time and that is just a simple fact.
It is a naive and stupid idea that it is better to hamstring the US economy just to be safe rather than sorry. The big polluters in the world, Brazil, Russia, India, China (known as the BRICs) are running full speed ahead and anything we do will be lost in the mud.
I believe Anthropogenic (Man Caused) Global warming is a hoax but even if true there is little to be done as the developing countries (The BRICs) will not play along and the US has so drastically reduced emissions that the is little left to be done.
I have an environmental science degree. I worked in the environmental field for over 30 years. When I first heard about global warming, I looked into it. Now, I'm no expert in climatology, and I don't pretend to know about every variable that can affect global climates, but I was curious enough about global warming to look into it a bit. I'm also old enough to remember being told back in the 70s (after a number of very cold and severe winters) that we were headed for another ice age. So I have to admit that when I started to look into the matter of global warming it was with the skepticism of "scientists can get it wrong", they have before.
When I looked at the articles proposing that man's CO2 pollution was the reason for global warming, I came across the term "the solar constant". That didn't sit right with me. "The sun's constant, really?", I thought. So I decided to look at what the sun is doing. My thinking was, if I came home one day and suddenly my house was a lot hotter than I expected it to be, where would I first look for the reason. The heat source in my house - my boiler. So I looked at what the scientists that study the sun were observing. I learned that we had been thru an extended period of very high solar activity. I saw a study from Eigil Friis-Christensen and Knud Lassen of the Danish Meteorological Institute in Copenhagen which claimed to see a strong correlation between the length of the solar cycle with temperature changes throughout the northern hemisphere. I read a lot about solar activity and came away with the impression that the sun is not constant. It changes - a lot. And it's changing now. We are in solar cycle # 24 and it's been a weak one and the sun has been doing things that have not been observed before, in the relatively short time we've been able study it. Even the scientists studying the sun's activity have no idea of it's relative impact on climate change, but the sun is our "boiler" and I think that should be the focus of the attention of the scientific community. If the folks who study the sun and observe all it's variation in the strength and frequency of it's cycles can't understand it's relative impact on the earth's climate changes, how can those proposing man-made global warming and now "climate change" assume a solar constant? In my opinion, they can't, and that is the flaw in their argument. They assume a constant that doesn't exist and minimize the sun's impact, when that impact is not fully understood by the experts who study it.
If the sun goes thru a period of weak solar activity with longer solar cycles (short solar cycles appear to correlate with periods of warming), as some solar scientists believe we may now be experiencing, and, if our global temps continue to rise (and be aware there will be a lag) and show no sign of cooling, then the man-made global warming theory will be proved. It's just too early to tell, but man, it's sure cold here today.
Kinda new to the party it was fun reading this topic.
I live in Western Wisconsin we have Frac Sand on our farm. Most people have not a clue where it came from, so I am going to tell you. Basically my farm was beach front property Frac sand is from areas that were beaches that is why the elevation that Frac Sand is found at 920 feet above current Sea-level.
So my question is how did man make all my beach front go away? And who do I contact for Reparations? Since all climate change is man made according to the believers.
COME on now Reparations cause you lost a little water , you GOT FRAC Sand you can swim in all that money you be rakin in.
With all my science course work taken years ago, I concluded that the only constancy with all these aspects is that they are constantly changing. Who is to say "what is normal"? Is "normal" to mean what is "average"? Average based on what length of calculations? A rudimentary geology class would show that the Earth has constantly changed in its climatic norms. There have been countless animals/plants which have gone extinct due to climatic changes. Go read about the geologic history of Greenland.
Does anyone else find it odd that the "fix" for all the AGW proponents is to regulate and have "less" of things? That the solution is to raise the cost of living, regulate your activities and freedom? That fossil fuels, the re-cycled animals and plants are the problem? It appears to me that so-called scientists in lab coats are interjecting their political beliefs and in doing so, have bastardized real scientific research.
Part of the problem of this debate is that very very people have any real science accumen. This issue involves a multiple of other disciplines and as some real scientists have written, is a very complicated interaction. The enviro-wackos have attempted to simplify it - blaming man for a perceived problem. All the while, its just the Earth going thru its phases of interaction with the Sun. Its all a very clever ploy by the left when very few understand science in the first place.
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