It looks like America may Drag Mr. Bush into the political arena. If he does run, can he beat Hillary?

Probably not.

Not AMERICA the MEDIA. They are the ones that try to control who runs.

with what is happening to Christie ole Jeb is coming down the tracks a mile a minute.

Oh yes---Bush disaster III.

The Bush name is a gimmee for the press - - it is pre-bashed.

Nope.

There won't be another bush in the WH anytime soon. Count on 8 more socialist years if he's the choosen one.

Proof that the republicans are on the same side as the democrats.


Mike

^^^This.^^^

Steve.

Yep.

Whether you want him or not is a whole 'nother thing.

I have always said that Christie was just the stalking horse for the GOP Good Old Boys who are putting up their money behind Bush.

Breitbart News: Breitbart TV
http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-tv
by Tony Lee 30 Mar 2014
A "vast majority" of Mitt Romney donors, establishment pooh-bahs, and an anti-conservative consultant who is the epitome of permanent political class want former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to run for president in 2016.

Bush was in Las Vegas this week meeting with Sheldon Adelson, and, according to the Post, "many if not most of 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney�s major donors are reaching out to Bush and his confidants with phone calls, e-mails and invitations to meet." One bundler even said that a "vast majority� of "Romney�s top 100 donors would back Bush."

The Post also noted that in the meantime "Bush�s 2016 deliberations are limited to casual e-mails and chats with Sally Bradshaw, his longtime political counselor in Florida, and strategist Mike Murphy," who has been one of the most anti-conservative talking heads on television despite never having won a national election.

Spot on.

+1

Fully agree. And I think Jeb knows it.

Whew, Lynn Woolley just said he feels Hillary will not become president unless she ends up running against Jeb, then she wins it in a landslide.

Suggests how fearful Woolley (whoever the F she is) is of Bush running.

As of now, he's a polling front runner. If you like Rand Paul, then you should also like Bush. Rand votes virtually lockstep with Bush's policies, save for foreign affairs.

Why should the Bush namesake be tainted any more than the Clinton namesake?

Because we don't control the PR machine...

That machine has proven to be quite effective in convincing voters who's "in" and who isn't...

Are you saying in ain't?

He has to poll well with women. He has to be considered non-threatening to a majority of women voters.

Anybody who's thinking about who, how, might, could be able to beat Hilary had better have that uppermost in mind, or whoever runs against her is DOA.

Bush name, he's shot in the head before the gate even opens.

It ain't.

The Clinton name carries a "cool" factor among the media, hollywood, and Washington elite.

Those groups have a lot of influence on the thinking of your average voter...

Bush, by name alone, starts at a serious deficit...

Jeb Bush is the McCain/Romney train coming back around. I'll vote for him if that's the only choice Mr.Rove gives me.

Oh, so you do allow the media to integrate into your candidate and vote processing.

No need for the media anymore on the Bush topic, it is already in the American subconscious, like a tattoo.

How about Clinton?

I agree, just replying to Bob.

Oh yeah, to ignore their influence on Joe Blow and Valerie Voter, would not be smart.

They seem to be able to convince people of things that aren't so, like voting for a moderate Republican is the only hope that the GOP has of victory...

A lot seem to fall for it, and we continue to lose...

He is a sleaze-bag that has enjoyed media adoration.

Wish that name were already in the American subconscious in a negative way, but the PR machine has done it's job to do completely the opposite.

Fadish things seem to matter to many. Clintons, like the Obama's were, are a fad.

Vote for Hillary, all the cool kids are doing it...

If only everybody got that. Why is it so hard for people to realize that the Office of the POTUS can't be won without a candidate that excites the political base (Conservatives)? Fewer, and fewer, Republicans vote each cycle when squishy moderates from liberal States are the only choice. Maybe it will help if we run one named Bush?

Reagan was hated by the GOP establishment but popular with the Conservative base.

What kind of victory did he see? Landslides...

I think that the likes of Rand and Cruz could do this. Even in the face of the media onslaught.

Rand stands a better chance IMO, because the fact that Cruz was born in Canada will be the mantra of the media and it will do damage in spite of the facts of legal electibility.

Look at how much Obama and his gang have thrown the Bush name around in a negative light and if people think Obama is bad, what are they going to think about the Bush name?

You know the Dems will go all out if Jeb is the GOP nominee, just because his last name is Bush. You will see political ads focused squarely on his last name alone and it will work.

The name won't help, but it's his moderate policies that would ensure that he didn't get the votes.

I won't vote for a moderate simply because the talking heads and bias pollsters say that they are "the only one that can win"

They like to point out how the 3-4 million Conservative voters stayed home, but even with that added to the numbers, we still would have lost.

Whoever can articulate the conservative platform the best is the most electable, imo.



Bob is right in many ways though. Right now, we shouldn't even be talking 2016. We have to get through 2014. The Senate has to be won, and the house has to be shored up...

I'm trying to think of the last time a Republican candidate - any candidate - said he wasn't part of the conservative political base. I'm pretty sure that if you were to ask both Karl Rove and Chris Christie, each would say that he's a member of the conservative political base and the other guy isn't.

In fact, this whole conservative political base idea is pretty squishy and hard to get a hold of, when everybody who is not a Democrat is claiming membership in the conservative political base.

But the one thing I do know absolutely about the conservative political base? Nobody appointed Hawkeye to say who's in it. Beyond that, it's all pretty much open to endless argument and finger-pointing.

We might very well get 8 more socialist years anyway if Hilarity runs.. The damn dems will fall all over themselves ensuring she wins - by hook or by crook..

Voters are not in the mood for twenty years of a Bush dynasty nor sixteen of a Clinton one.

^^^^^This^^^^^

Ernie

MSM loves Clintons.

MSM hates Bush, any Bush.

"Taint" in the cards that Jeb would win.

Jeb is the smart brother and as corrupt as they come. It would be interesting to see him try but I don't think it is in the cards. For starters he would be the first president to get divorced in office. His wife is dead set against it.

It's not what they say. It's what they have done. Freedom, limited government and blind justice are easy to identify.

What has Cruz done beyond words?

I'm not voting for another Bush, unless the other option is Hitler - y.

Like Giuliani was?

Yep. Point taken but I knew that going in with the comment.

It's why I made a point of saying I'm not concerned with 2 1/2 years from now. I'm concerned with 8 months from now.

Remember this?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/103348/giuliani-leads-gop-race-huckabee-others-tie-second.aspx

I'm concerned 20 years ago.

There's little point in being concerned now.

All that's left to do is get braced for it.

There's little point in being concerned now.
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We don't agree on that.

It all has to play out at this point.

There's no good reason to fret about it.

The die has been cast.

Politics can't even pretend to fix it.

In fact, the political establishment is responsible for it.

Jeb was a good Governor, except for a couple things, but, POTUS I don't think so.
Another Bush, another Clinton --- NO

Seriously. What if it's between a Bush and a Clinton?

This country is Bushed out.

Crimea might be your only other choice then.

Yep. Sad isn't it? Folks need to realize that there isn't much difference between the 2 anymore. Bush would be another train wreck as will any dipshitdemocrat

Our current friends in the media. miles

So you voted for Newt last time?

Mike

Sort of like most lawyers? Unlike you and your barrister buddies, he knows the "right" words.

I did.

Cruz is a lawyer, you dumbassed candy striper.

Me Too, but I'm afraid MOST bought into the media's "he's not electable" ploy! He would have gutted O during the debates.

Mike

Scottm,
Between a Bush and a Clinton?
It's Bush without question.
He was a good Governor.
I agree with his mom-- there has to someone out there besides those two, who can be President.

The federal government is a huge, complex machine.

Shuffling a handful of people every few years does nothing to meaningfully alter it.

Especially since the machine chooses the people who get shuffled.

No schidt Sherlock. Quite a formidable one, at least according to Allan Dershowitz.

Do we need another Bush? I think "W" screwed the political pooch for old Jeb.

He was my man, but I could not vote for Newt in our Missouri primary except as a write-in. His campaign was so badly run he did not even get on our ballot.

Damn shame. Who ever pulls together a clear alternative heath plan to ObamaCare will owe a lot to Newt�s American Solutions. And will do well in the primaries.

He'll never run. He knows better. Media hunting a story.

Ted Cruz has done right well with his words before the Supreme Court.

Originally Posted By: ltppowell
Those skills served him, and the State of Texas, really well when he used them in the Supreme Court.
Cruz has authored more than 80 United States Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court. Cruz's record of having argued before the Supreme Court nine times is more than any practicing lawyer in Texas or any current member of Congress. Cruz has commented on his nine cases in front of the U.S. Supreme Court: "We ended up year after year arguing some of the biggest cases in the country. There was a degree of serendipity in that, but there was also a concerted effort to seek out and lead conservative fights."

In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz drafted the amicus brief signed by attorneys general of 31 states, which said that the D.C. handgun ban should be struck down as infringing upon the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Cruz also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

In addition to his success in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the constitutionality of Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds before the Fifth Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court, winning 5-4 in Van Orden v. Perry.

In 2004, Cruz was involved in another high-profile case, which was Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow. In Newdow, Cruz wrote a U.S. Supreme Court brief on behalf of all 50 states which argued that a non-custodial parent does not have standing in court to sue to stop a public school from requiring its students to recite of the Pledge of Allegiance. The Supreme Court upheld the position of Cruz�s brief in a 9-0 decision.

Cruz served as lead counsel for the state and successfully defended the multiple litigation challenges to the 2003 Texas congressional redistricting plan in state and federal district courts and before the U.S. Supreme Court, winning 5-4 in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry

Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States

Gee, that's awesome Bowsinger. You just repeated the well known fact he's good with words. No one has disputed that. The question was what has he done politically beyond captivating words.

Ron Paul and Sarah Palin captivated many with words as well but they're not going to be candidates in 2016.

Definitely don't want Bush or Clinton.

However, IF those are the only two choices, I would vote very reluctantly for Bush.

I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton!

It would be a very sad day for those to be the nominees.

I want TED CRUZ (President)
SARAH PALIN or RAND PAUL (for Vice President)

Awesome you bring up Ron Paul as not running in 2016. That too is a well known fact.

What is truly awesome is that you do not seem to understand what Ted Cruz has done for Conservatism while standing before the Supreme Court. He was a lawyer at the top of his profession.

Now he has been in the Senate for just over a year and he certainly has hit the ground running. Name a freshman Senator who has done better?

The fact he is a freshman is why he is not my choice for 2016. By then he could be the top gun in the Senate.

The voters are hungry for (L)eadership. After eight long years without it they will be real hungry.

That gives Governors with real records a head start in 2016. A Governor with a strong articulate Conservative message�a honest message that voters can believe...can win this thing.

That ain�t Jeb Bush.

As opposed to the non voters who have chosen not to be led.

The Difference ??? How about Moral & Christian Values just to name a few!!!

ANYONE who thinks Hilliary is ANYTHING like Jeb Bush is seriously fugged up in the head!

Jeb is not gonna be POTUS because there has been too much Bush Bashing. Exactly why the DemoDicks continue to bash Bush 1 & 2

Hilliary is the definition of Evil ! She'll make the [bleep] in Charge look like a fugging saint, If she gets elected

Those that think she can't win are sadly mistaken ! The same crowd of idiots elected Obama TWICE. Never underestimate the power of stupidity & evil.

Any size group without leadership is chaos�a mob.

Conservatives not voting is how we got in this mess.

When are you people going to learn your lesson on the moderate electable POS? Will this be the last and final strike?

That's a trick question Bob. It's not what he has done beyond words, it's what he has done with words. First, and formost, he speaks the truth. This has done two things...made him extremely popular with voters and extrememly unpopular with the political establishment. It's really that simple.

Cruz has keep his promises to Texas voters. Hasbeen

I think he can. He appears to be a reasonable and non-dogmatic man who can appeal to a wide variety of voters. I'd vote for him.

He will appeal to everybody accept liberals and conservatives, just like Romney and McCain.

Jeb Bush and his wife, Columba, attended a dinner with Michael Bloomberg last night in New York, a source confirms.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-b...dines-with-bloomberg-in-new-york/2172866

I think Jeb is bright enough to avoid an embarrassment but when the Right Wing comes a knocking he may just open that door. Look at how many "Wing Nuts" the conservatives marched out in 2012..Clown Show. Jeb is the flavor of the day but all that attention is hard to say no to. Only Chris Christy had the IQ to say no the that attention in 2012.

Do we need another Clinton? I think Bill screwed the pooch for ole Hitlery.

I'm tired of Bush's and Clinton's and most of all Obama's!

You could be right!

Jeb Bush was a pretty darn good Governor. I voted for him, and was overall satisfied with what he did for Florida.
Not so sure I support him though, for President.

Would I vote for him over Hillary? Yeah.

Jeb Bush LOL in my opinion just another owned moderate POS!

I'd vote for him too. Rick Perry or Scott Walker also. Chris Gibson has a better chance of getting Rove and Iowa's approval though.

Rove will spearhead the fundraising for Jeb Bush.

Rove got one'nem heads they make piss pots out of.

That was TIC Bob. We all know that Rove goes where the money is, and Iowa votes for the Republican least likely to succeed.

Would he beat Hillary? No.

...but he would get the Independent vote. That's all that matters.

It would have mattered for Stockman and Pierson. Disregard and discount the Independent vote and the votes of those right of center at your own peril. I never thought you'd agree to make it so easy for the establishment members of the GOP. Lesson recap follows:
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WASHINGTON � Two years after Ted Cruz upset the political establishment in the Lone Star state by winning election to the Senate, Texas voters helped two major Republican establishment candidates in marquee races secure their posts in the state�s primaries today.

Sen. John Cornyn, the second highest ranking Republican in the Senate, crushed his primary opponents with well over the 50 percent of the vote needed to avoid a run-off May 27. The Associated Press called the race for Cornyn, who is seeking his third term in the U.S. Senate, shortly after polls closed tonight.

Cornyn�s closest challenger was Rep. Steve Stockman, who gave up his House seat to run against the two-term senator. Stockman, a well known tea party firebrand, entered the race on the day of the filing deadline but quickly disappointed many conservative activists hoping to uproot Cornyn from his Senate office.

In another establishment vs. tea party test, Rep. Pete Sessions, chairman of the House Rules Committee, beat his tea party opponent Katrina Pierson in the primary for his seat representing Texas� 32nd Congressional district. Tea party activists had their eye on the Sessions race as a potential upset, but Pierson�s candidacy fizzled out despite endorsements from Sarah Palin and Rafael Cruz, the father of Senator Cruz.

It is a good thing that the incumbents hear foot steps.

Absolutely. Those footsteps could be much louder if the Tea-Party faction of the GOP realized "my way or the highway" will get them nowhere.

Rand gets it. Oh yeah...he's a POS RINO sell-out. I forgot his new flavor of the month designation.

Bob, Rove spent, what, $30 million, on Cornyn and Sessions in these primaries? (Compared to less than $40K for Stockman's campaign) Just think what he, and the RNC, could do if they ever decided to back a candidate that Americans liked.

Rove's group contributed multi millions of dollars for Romney's campaign, as well.

Texans were bought by Rove,huh? The entire Cruz family and Sarah couldn't shift the power of Rove's sphere of influence to your boys and gals,huh?

What a crock of schit, Patrick.

You guys are getting yourselves all bent over so some butt bandit can do you again.

Cruz/Palin 16....nuff sed.

After George Bush Jr betrayed us conservatives on nearly every issue held dear... I don't care to hear that name again as long as I live. I really truly cannot calculate in my mind which political miscrant I disdain more but the entire Bush mafia is HIGH on the list. Carpet baggers from the north east stinking up Dixie, I wish the whole bunch of them would move back where they belong. Honestly. I even hate that quaker oats looking grandma, whats her name??? whatever....

This!!

kwg

You can damn sure count on it being both!

That is a great idea! Palin can sink a second election for the GOP. That ticket will excite the base in ways that can not be explained! I am guessing there will be 10 maybe 20 conservative jumping up and down when that happens!

^^^

Neither one stands a chance in hell of winning, and Hillary won't be running any way!

Phil

I am guessing there will be 10 maybe 20 conservative jumping up and down when that happens!
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Come November, I expect your dumbass will become quite contrite in a effort to get something more than a "blow me, retard" with your posts.

You being off the boards will be noticed by no one, save for those who truly enjoyed exposing your illiterate ass.

+1,000,000,000

I'm about the only one who responds to it now. Are you implying that "Blow me retard" would be preferred over the same pictures I keep posting over and over?

Another well thought out post which points out the depth of your thought process. Carry on!

We'll see won't we, Ms. Uh-Oh?

Nope...Cornyn commercials were on TV and radio every couple of minutes and a massive smear campaign was was taken up against Stockman, who had no money, asked for no money and didn't campaign at all. I don't know what happened in the other race, which centered on a Congressional district 500 miles away.

Yes time will tell.

By the way how is your new Governor doing? What is it like to live in a state that is becoming more liberal every election?

http://buchanan.org/blog/war-party-oligarch-6333