Per the drone shooting thread:

How would you suggest taking one down that's in your yard/air space WITHOUT USE OF A FIREARM?

Consider this a public service and educational opportunity post.

Rod and reel with maybe 3/8 ounce weight.Cast and bring it in.

personally, I'd do it with Hawks (or maybe a falcon) but I'm probably in the minority.....

Knock the [bleep] out of it with a shovel? I prefer a gun myself. Hey, I thought it was a big mosquito.

I didn't realize you were a minority, white?

Another drone. Kinda like robot wars.

bolas

Safe assumption.

Hawaiian throw net.

bring it, bish.....

Bolo would work, too..

my airspace is well defended....

Why worry about it? It seems a lot like how everyone deals with yellow jackets. Swat at the one that stings you and even if you do hit it more just come along and sting you and there apparently no end or relief in sight.....just nothing you can do to stop it from happening.

Would the birds be uninjured by blades or would they be able to avoid them from above?

Love that head shot!

How small do you want the pieces???

would come at it from below-behind.

there are several videos out there of successful takedowns

Drop my pants and moon it.

Sounds like your posts, except the "sting" part.

I have two, need one?

Not true.

Fry hamburger just enough to break it up like taco meat, barely browned. Add poison, set on garage roof for the yellow jackets. Kills the entire hive, all of them. Works for years!

Does not work on drones that I am aware of.

Wrist rocket and ball bearings should do the job.

Scoped crossbow!

As I posted on the other thread

Or, just pour a big cup of gasoline down the hole and then light it. That'd work on drones too.

So you are talking about wiping out the nest the hornets came from? What the hell kind of plan is that for dealing with drones?

So you are advocating murdering drone operators via arson? You sure you want to do that considering who the main drone operators are?

If you know where the nest is, and you like excitement in your life, go for it!. If you don't know or don't care where the nest is, use the poisoned hamburger.

So you are talking about wiping out the nest the hornets came from? What the hell kind of plan is that for dealing with drones? [/quote]

I'm thinking by the third or fourth iteration the drones should be eating meat.

Flu Flu with a Judo point

Their range is limited. Fists aimed at the pilot would be my first choice.

You can't assault a police officer.

Assault this.

They will if you interfere with their surveilling of the property you rent from them.

Air guns aren't firearms.

Doesn't matter how you interfere with police work, you will still be taken down.

Is there something dead, or rotten around this place ?
Something that would knock a maggot off a gut wagon with it's stench,.....
Oh,....just that sorry pathetic felon, with the mouth.
Wish that azzwhole would go impale himself on rebar, or play in the traffic on I-10.

4,...I've got a little Jabsco style fire pump,....little two stroke job from Harbor freight, and a brass nozzle that I bushed down and than precision bored / honed / lapped in the lathe,....it fires a 7/16" solid stream of "Wet Water" a LONG ways.

....would imagine that a cleverly configured induction setup would allow one to densify the stream with a little drilling mud, or some organically friendly DE.

Ideally ?...... a small Moyno mud pump.

GTC

Baseball bat.

A liberal would just throw an infant up into the blades.

stevelyn,


"Air guns aren't firearms."

In some localities airguns are regarded as firearms.
Better check the local laws.

Myron

Small cabbage out of a low powered Potato Gun.

....swear up and down you were just craving cole slaw,...

GTC

Microwave oven magnetron. Good for autonomous or controlled.

Cool. Thanks, Matt.

Inner tube rubber band gun.

Would be kind of catchy to insert a bit of skunk essence into a few paintballs and tag every ‘friendly’ drone that happens by.

(Hey, what’s this red paint all over my expensive new toy.......hey..ewww!)

uh hummmm, frozen paintballs.



DMc

So smokepole is a felon?

We Conservatives do that also and like everything else we were probably doing it first and the libs just took the easy route down the path we already made.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...thood-republicans-a-decades-long-history

While the drone owner may be in violation of local laws for operating his drone over another's property. Why do we feel we have the right to destroy another person's property? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Because it's on your property. If you have a bad dog come on your property and start growling at your kids, you are going to "destroy" that dog. Drones have been weaponized for years in the Middle East. Then there is the possibility of spying on your kids or yourself. Maybe your teenage daughter was sunbathing in the privacy of your backyard. Maybe you just don't like a Drone peeping in your window. It's not the same as killing a Peeping Tom, which no sane person here would do. It's just a damn machine. So destroying the potential Peeping Tom's equipment is not only okay, but a public service. It's not "two wrongs". It's a response to the first wrong. Do you consider it a wrong to violate the public discharge of a weapon law if somebody has entered your home illegally and is trying to kill you or one of your family? Lots of reasons to discharge a weapon and lots of [bleep] up laws.

If I knock the Drone down with my baseball bat and then give it a couple of more hits to insure it doesn't take off again on me, I'm not violating any law. I'm just collecting and preserving evidence of trespass for the popo when they get there.

Apples and oranges, vigilante justice is never the answer.

Keep your Drone off of private property where it doesn't have permission to fly and there will be no problems.

Fly your drone on my airspace and it is getting confiscated as evidence for the police. They'll be coming over to your house to see why you were invading my space.

Never say never. Under certain circumstances, vigilantism is not only the answer, it's not even illegal.

The answer is out there. (Don't know if it's legal, though.)



http://www.popsci.com/technology/ar...e-antidrone-tech-available-to-the-masses

Do you stop a rapist in the act, or just report it?

Likewise, if I need to stop a trespasser or voyeur, its going to happen.

Should I make exceptions to the criminality simply because the person is using an (in)animate object to perpetuate the crime?

The problem will not be taking out your neighbor's Drone unless the .gov decides it can get away with making it a criminal offense for moneymaking and other purposes...The problem will be .gov Drones totally shredding the Bill of Rights and us standing for it. In the future there will be huge fines and jail time for taking down a spying .gov Drone.

Maybe you've hit upon an idea here. Yell and blow a whistle at the offensive Drone. First tell it in no uncertain terms to stop. No means no, you know?

And if the whistle doesn't work, maybe everyone can just pee themselves until the criminal moves on....

Gunswizard can just tell the offensive Drone he's on his Period or has an STD and it will move on without violence.

I'd just sit in a lounge chair

and jerk off to a picture of THEIR wife or girlfriend. My own fenced back yard.

Yer luck Bill Clinton would be playing with his new drone.........LMAO!

HIS girlfriend!!! No doubt she's a looker!!

Edited for truth.

I like the water idea, but I don't know how waterproof they are; if it shorts out the electrics and ruins it that seems best. No one could claim you were endangering anyone else.

An attack drone seems fun, but unless it has some feature to let it drop a net or something onto the enemy drone, it's gonna get damaged during the encounter.

How many of these things have live video feeds, back to their controller? Seems like if the guy is seeing you start to deploy a weapon, he's gonna take off.

I have to admit it would be fun to play with one, but you'd have to be careful to avoid the exact scenario.

One of the Lily drones would be fun to have, but they stay close to their owner, and are useless for spying.

You're going to OFFEND Miss Manners (GunLizard) with all that nasty talk, you brute !

GTC

That awful, "EvilTwin" is talking about masturbation and just generally being offensive again,....would you please talk to him about it ?

Thank you,

GTC

Paintball gun if you're a peasant.

Sub-sonic 22LR and suppressor for the rest of us.




Dave

Coco bolo nun chucks and/or a shaleleigh (sp)



Clyde

here you go mike - RT hawk 1 , drone 0

'Lefty,

How badly do you think that RT was cut by the rotors on that aerial POS?

Be REALLY UN PC!!! Use a crossbow and call the drone Cecil

Is a shotgun loaded with buckshot considered a firearm ? TIA for your help

probably not much at all if she hit it square.

they're amazingly durable.

my birds slam into the rocky ground / sagebrush at 30 MPH a dozen times a day with little evident damage

the other thing to keep in mind re: hawks is that their eyes have a flicker-frame rate of 60-70 frames per second , compared to 25-30 fps for people. they could / can see the blades quite clearly and choose where to hit it without getting struck

Im thinkin you wouldn't have to physical touch the other drone, hover over it and let the propwash mess with the gyros in the offending drone. If it's close enough to the ground (10') probably won't recover in time.

16 year old daughter laying out by the pool. RC thing taking pictures. If it was my daughter I would have done my best to make sure fancy RC thing would not fly again.

I think you're onto something there. Add a big ass treble hook on the end of a thick mono or wire leader. It'd kill the props straight away.

That's what I was going to suggest. No need for hooks. Get some 20# braided line anywhere near those props and it's going to be instant tangle and crash. With the bonus that if it crashed off your property you could just reel the thing in and confiscate it.

Badass boids!

If the neighbor slipped into your home and installed cameras, would you be OK with that?

Or, would you remove them?

Wiz, it isn't local law. There's an FAA reg against it. And you would not be destroying property, you are securing evidence.

Can we buy lasers powerful enough to fry the camera here in the US?

Lots of wishful thinking here.

I'm a drone owner and I try my best to be a respectful drone owner. Most of us are fighting to keep tabs on the bad ones, much like ATV owners are constantly doing.

My drone will do 35 MPH horizontally, 13 MPH vertically, I can fly it over a mile away from where I'm sitting (1.5 has happened quite a bit for owners), and it can go over 1500 feet in elevation. Fast.

Archery? Nets? Bola? Fishing rod? Even a 22? Or a shotgun? LOL. Not going to happen unless the owner flies realllly reallly low and slow and just hovers. If the drone wants to get away it will get away easily.

Falconry? Yikes. I'd be very afraid for the bird. I've seen quite a few pics of people that have been cut up horribly by blades. If I had a bird the last thing I'd want to do is send it into a fast moving, flying cuisinart.

I also have to laugh when people think that drones are somehow spying on them and seeing things that they shouldn't see. It's basically the same thing as google earth - aerial shots from above. If you want to see what the drone is seeing, open your browser. Yes, I can see your trampoline and your camper and your roof, but no, I cannot see your naked wife with my mystical drone. Unless, of course, your wife/girlfriend sunbathes nude on the roof, and even then, I've seen pics of the girls you guys are hanging out with, and I can promise you I'll steer clear.

I love having it - it's a load of fun and I'm getting some great video and pictures. Here's one I took the other day of the canola fields in SE Idaho. If you look closely you can make out the tetons in the distance.

Give us a couple more pages to brainstorm there Cap'n... we will get your whirly-gig yet.

your failing, and coming across as an a-hole, Mister.

GTC

In every sport or hobby I can think of you will find those who when likened to the north end of a southbound horse does a discredit to the horse. I have never played with a RC aircraft of any kind but can imagine the safe and ethical use of one with a good camera could not only be fun but useful.

You guys are thinking about this wrong, just from the physical/mechanical side. These things are controlled by a radio signal, that is very prone to interference. The frequency ranges these things operate on are known, whether in the range of hobby toys, or in the HAM bands. Cut the tether to the operator or disrupt it enough and you don't have to physically be seen doing anything to it. Who knows why it crashed or flew out of range? Interference happens all the time, from all kinds of things. Anything electrical produces some type of electromagnetic radiation, any HAM can tell you that.

THAT is the problem, not the pic you posted.

Also the low/slow/hover is what got the drone in the other thread shot down.

If the operators were not drooling over under age bathing beauties they might have seen the shotgun and not lost their toy.

They're operating at 2.4 Mhz with 20 Mhz channels. Not trivial to jam without also taking out pretty much everything else wireless. The FCC also takes a very dim view of jamming. I found them pretty humorless about cease buzzer calls in my 20 years of airborne electronic combat flying.

Google earth is not real time.

Which drone did you buy?



Travis

dryflyelk, if you want to monitor crops with your flying camera, you go right ahead. More power and ingenuity to you, sir.

But if you want to hover a few feet over sunbathing young girls, be prepared to lose your toy and hopefully your freedom.

The analogy is this: I'm a binocular owner. I love to look at wildlife, scenery, and celestial objects. But if stand outside your daughter's bedroom window with them...

Funny how a few of you get your panties in a bunch over nothing. I'm just trying to see both sides of it. In fairness, I didn't see the other post on drones before I put this up, but I've read it now. Anybody that hovers a drone in anybody's yard deserves to get it shot down - no argument from me.

I just see that many are jumping in the "all drones are evil" hive mind, which belongs right next to the "all hunters are evil" and "atvs should all be illegal" lines of thought. Drones have their place, and just like any of the other hobbies and toys we enjoy, they certainly can be abused and used improperly. Most drone owners aren't trying to see anybody's daughters, I can promise you that. If they do, they should not only have their drone destroyed, but they should be punished by the law.

Deflave - I have the DJI Phantom 3.

In many localities, discharging a firearm in the city limits is against the law..............unfortunately, air guns, shotguns, crossbows and regular bows, along with wrist rockets are all considered firearms and are therefore illegal to shoot with.
A shovel would work well, as would a net as previously mentioned.

Isn't this ordinance a crock or what? How would one protect themselves from roving cougars or coyotes?

Mark

I agree that somebody that invades my personal privacy with their drone will lose their drone and suffer consequences. Having said that, I find that drones are pretty interesting in the right setting. I've been participating in several PRS style rifle matches this year. They have all used drones to take footage of the shoots. Sometimes the stages can be spread over a mile or more. These guys have made some really good short videos of the events. I'm working on a trade for one that a guy is selling to upgrade to the new latest/greatest thing. I'll see if I can post one of them up.

Bob

A tool made in the devil's own workshop.

See if this works. WLRS May 2, 2015 match.



Bob

No, Buckaroo,.....



should read:

I just see that what I think I see, e.g. many are jumping in the "all drones are evil" hive mind,



Zealotry, and WAY outside of the wire.

.....or did I miss your election as spokesperson and head poobah of "Drone owner's International, a benevolent non-profit organization" somewhere in this thread.

GTC

Crossfire,

Why such a dick? Did a drone kill your wife? If so, than I'm sorry for your loss. If not, grow a set and have a civil discussion like an adult.

All of that goes out the window if the operator is an LEO which is the most likely person to be operating a drone.

That's better!

Fixed.

Aim to please.

There are no FAA regulations for hobby/recreational use of drones.

Some of us don't like Google Earth either. It is an invasion of privacy. A terrible one. One can just roll with it and shrug it off. A Drone represents the same invasion of privacy GE does only on a level somebody can do something about. Somebody did.

You can tell those Drone owners to kiss my ass.

I'd like to see an open season on the things.

We'll agree to disagree. One actually takes a stand in issues, does schit and can back it up. The other hides behind a silly facade, afraid to stand up and be counted for what he really believes.

Ok if police want to do it...and they do indeed.

http://www.cnet.com/news/police-want-to-use-your-home-security-cameras-for-surveillance/

http://www.businessinsider.com/yes-im-getting-a-bit-afraid-of-my-government-2012-11

The posting unrelated pics on threads where something besides .270 v 30-06 is being discussed was funny the thousandth time it was done but now grows tedious. Hence...

Dryflyelk, good sir. I don't think anyone said that ALL quadcopter (they aren't really drones) flyers are evil, lawbreakers, perverts, or anything else derogatory. That would be as pernicious as labeling ALL gun owners as murderers.

But we do have to admit that there are SOME flyers who are all those things, just as there are some gun owners who murder.

Each should be treated on his own merits - or sins. I'm sure we all agree on that. The issue here is how to deal with the obviously bad actors and their toys. As you point out, the devices themselves can be darn near impervious to physical countermeasures, and to electronic ones, too.

In the last five pages there have been some silly and some clever suggestions. Let's laugh at the former and think harder about the latter. All of us.

the police will be posting a video of Sherp's recent gyno exam today, seems they hacked into his gynecologists office camera's and since he likes them so much they wanted to share the love.

A better pic of the SS .375 H&H. It's a Winchester M 70.

Just about any decent Ham Radio Operator could easily cobble something together to jam one of these drones.

I like the idea of hunter/killer drones.

Put out a naked girl mannequin in the back yard for bait. Like she was sunning herself.

Could be fun.

THAT is EXACTLY what I've been pointing out here, Missy,....you've been TALKING DOWN to folks, while claiming to be WTF it is you purvey yourself to be.

A "Drone Tranny" or a "Trans Dronian" ?

GROW a set ?

FWIW I've built engines that flew and fought....for USDOD "drones" you smarmy, holier than thou plick.

Did a drone stick it's reproductive organ in your throat, and screw you up ?

Or is it some discomfort with how "empowered" that fargin' thing makes you feel , sometimes ?

GTC

granted

With a VERY tight conical zone of influence / "tight beam", too.

BAD mojo, though,......we really don't see what's above, and chit DOES happen.

I'm for cabbage = coleslaw.

GTC

Thank you.

What's up with the smarmy comments jimmy? You want the police to be able to watch people however they want just like the police want to do so why pop off at me? Why are you so embarrassed about the things you support?

Some of them hanging their heads, some of them looking around trying to figure out what happened. Clearly you have stump broke the whole herd this time. Boy you would hump a rock if you ran out of livestock and game animals.

Hanging on every word.

I been pondering about this question for a while and i think i have come to a decision.

Without a firearm i think the old treble hook snag or a net trap of some kind might get it.

But my first choice would be my 12 gauge 870 with my handloaded turkey loads,they are loaded with a stout load of HS7 with a 1 5/8 load of hard number 5 shot.
These have worked on turkeys as well as prairie chickens out to 80 yards.
They will also blow a gopher out of his/her hole at 30 yards,they fly about the same.

I think a 10 foot rod,with a 8 oz weight ,braided line and good aim would get some.

Thank you.




Travis

Here in Connecticut we have made the news a couple times relating to drones. Last year some snot nosed kid flew and hovered over a public beach drawing the ire of a sunbathing young woman. An assault took place and SHE was arrested not the operator. He had a camera on it IIRC.

Fast forward same kid posts youtube video of a drone firing a Glock. In the course of the ongoing investigation the young man was arrested, not for anything he did with the drone, but for being a jerk with the local pd.

Legally speaking how much of our air space above our properties do we have the right to control? Seems this drone crap is getting to be a issue where as the person who has their privacy invaded and retaliates is the one who gets the shaft legally.

I think the only place it has become an issue is the internet.




Travis

I figure if you are going to get thrown in jail and your drone taken away for flying it over the White House, then the same should apply for any persons house.


I'm guessing the Secret Service wouldn't just wave at a drone hovering outside the Oval office.

Zero expectation of privacy.

I hear you, but would you expect to be able to fly a drone over Obama's head in a 'public' place?

Therein lies the rub for me.

The Executive Mansion has had restricted airspace long before R/C helicopters became popular.




Travis

Understood, but if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

Would there be any problems if a squadron of drones followed cops/DEA agents etc 24/7?

It's illegal in all of DC to fly an R/C airplane. Seems silly but it's the law.

http://time.com/88772/drones-washington-dc/

I'm truly anxious to see how this shakes out.....something new for the legal system.

I don't think we need any new laws, just let common sense dictate.

You fly it 5 feet from my daughter in the backyard, expect to never see it again. If you go complaining to the cops you get a kick in the ass.

Of course that's how it would work were I king.

I understand what you're saying but I don't think comparing your home to the President of the United State's residence is a valid comparison. His home can scramble F-16's and launch nuclear warheads.

Could you follow cops and record them? In most locales you probably could. Unless you violated some sort of anti-stalking law. But that would apply to you and I as well.

But as happens every time a new technology becomes affordable, it probably hasn't been brought before a court yet.



Travis

Well seeing me in my speedo sunning my big arse in the backyard might be considered punishment enough for invading my privacy.

I think if it becomes a real problem you'll see areas forced to regulate them.

But I don't see the court's viewing it any different than other technologies. If a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy and that is violated, the person can be charged. If they don't, they can't.

If I setup a spotting scope and watch sexy ingwe water his lawn from 600yds away, am I really doing something illegal? Can ingwe legally smash my spotting scope to pieces if he finds out? Did ingwe have a reasonable expectation of privacy when he stood outside his house and started watering his lawn?



Travis

I do not know the answer to this but I do have 2 questions.

Did you get arrested?

Was Ingwe wearing his leapard skin thong?













Shod

If you are watching sexy ingwe water his lawn, you should be arrested. I'm not sure what for, but that's got to be breaking a law.

Maybe a law of nature.

The lack of courtesy and common sense is probably one the top accelerators for the progressive/liberal movement in this country.




Travis

Fight fire with fire! I can see it in the future, personal property owners will have automated drone patrollers that will escort or take out other trespassing drones. That or we are equipped with frequency killers, and if you drop someone elses drone on your property you would be in the right. This topic and peoples rights is going to be a huge issue in the near future, and events like this are just the beginning of laws being challenged, changed,and revised. That, or our government will make even more of us law abiding citizens into instant criminals!

Anyone want to get in on the ground floor of a new company related to these R/C craft and private property? We're marketing backyard barrage balloons.

I'm thinking a phalanx ciws shooting frozen paintballs.

You may have invented a new sport.

The Progressive/liberal movement doesn't need an accelerator. Its a wild fire burning out of control and has the backing of an entire new and upcoming Generation.

Makes Zero difference what Flave, Steelhead, or Shod do at this point.

In 2 Peter the Bible makes the claim that Both Sodom and Gomora and The flood of Noah's day set a pattern of things to come. Rampant immorality and a third and final destruction of the ungodly Men.

It should be no surprise that Rampant immorality ( progressive/liberal movement) is on the rise. It also should be no surprise that Gay Marriage (A prevalent attitude in Sodom and Gomora) is legal in all 50 states!

The bible predicted it all and God cannot lie!



Shod

fairly sure that's not Ingwe...

I can cobble a real mean potato cannon but I think this would be best served by a well aimed Roman Candle.

Perhaps Ingwe is into hunting Blue Grouse?

I was always told leopard skin however I will reserve giving a definite answer until further investigation.

Flave, does this pic represent anything you've seen through your spotting scope?

Thanks











Shod

Maybe a Pumpkin Chucker loaded with potatoes? Not for populated areas. But would certainly work out my way...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc2DAlKhIe0