I just finished reading this book. Most amazing read and quite thought provoking. Some folks here deny the holocaust; I am NOT one of them. Mr. Cargas is a self confessed Roman Catholic and he wrote this book to bring reform to his Church as concerns anti-semitism. More power to him.
Nonetheless the thoughts that crossed my mind was that the exact same book could have been written but with examples and pictures illustrating the horrors of abortion.
None of it adds up to my way of thinking. Why would a people who just barely escaped extermination be so pro-abort?
I had a guy that did pick ups and deliveries for my lab some years ago. About 70 at the time. One day I glanced and noted the serial number tattooed on his forearm. Yep, he was a camp survivor. Horrible, horrible, just horrible.
I just finished reading this book. Most amazing read and quite thought provoking. Some folks here deny the holocaust; I am NOT one of them. Mr. Cargas is a self confessed Roman Catholic and he wrote this book to bring reform to his Church as concerns anti-semitism. More power to him.
Nonetheless the thoughts that crossed my mind was that the exact same book could have been written but with examples and pictures illustrating the horrors of abortion.
None of it adds up to my way of thinking. Why would a people who just barely escaped extermination be so pro-abort?
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
as a young kid ( 12 yrs old), I toured the prison camp Museum at Dachau, just after it had opened...to this day the biggest thing I recall is the solemnness I felt after seeing it....
Was haunting like walking thru the American Cemetery in Normandy, but definitely not the solemn peace you felt there...
just even closing one's eyes, you could still feel the horror of those that survived and those that died their.. the hate for the prisoners by the Nazi guards...yet the compassion and shame that other Guards felt...
but in the long run, words barely can begin to describe what you feel...I guess especially at my age...
I've even had the fortune to speak with veterans who liberated some of those camps as young men...had seen the horrors and death in combat... but nothing compared them for what they saw when they came upon those camps...
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
I just finished reading this book. Most amazing read and quite thought provoking. Some folks here deny the holocaust; I am NOT one of them. Mr. Cargas is a self confessed Roman Catholic and he wrote this book to bring reform to his Church as concerns anti-semitism. More power to him.
Nonetheless the thoughts that crossed my mind was that the exact same book could have been written but with examples and pictures illustrating the horrors of abortion.
None of it adds up to my way of thinking. Why would a people who just barely escaped extermination be so pro-abort?
On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States, With that being known and knowing that joos historically hate blacks it is not a surprise that joos support abortion.
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
The one thing you can count one is that the Nazis kept meticulous records or even their atrocities.
They counted them upon arive to the camps, and they counted the ones they killed. We know how many were left at liberation. We know how many loved ones they never saw again.
The one thing you can count one is that the Nazis kept meticulous records or even their atrocities.
They counted them upon arive to the camps, and they counted the ones they killed. We know how many were left at liberation. We know how many loved ones they never saw again.
I just finished reading this book. Most amazing read and quite thought provoking. Some folks here deny the holocaust; I am NOT one of them. Mr. Cargas is a self confessed Roman Catholic and he wrote this book to bring reform to his Church as concerns anti-semitism. More power to him.
Nonetheless the thoughts that crossed my mind was that the exact same book could have been written but with examples and pictures illustrating the horrors of abortion.
None of it adds up to my way of thinking. Why would a people who just barely escaped extermination be so pro-abort?
On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States, With that being known and knowing that joos historically hate blacks it is not a surprise that joos support abortion.
Somehow I"m so numb already that 1876 less thugs a day ain't a bad thing.....
Well, there's one idiot for you, the other is ghostinthemachine. As hatari mentions, the GERMANS kept very good records and the figure was not quite six million jews but just shy of 5.8 something. I have a book at the house with photos of official Nazi records. Pretty meticulous, and everything was cataloged, hair, teeth, even fat for the war effort.
I've been to Mauthausen and Dachau. I've met many Holocaust survivors, have seen the tattoos, heard the stories.
I went to Mauthhausen with an Austrian friend who was from the town... he's a big guy, around 6'-7" tall. I'll never forget going through the crematoria with him, tears streaming down his face. His mother was in her 20's at the time the camp was operational. She said everyone in town knew what was happening there... the pall of sickly sweet smoke from burning bodies hung in the air.
My father had a good friend that survived Auschwitz. He was a teenager, and he and his father both survived 4 years of living hell there. When they were liberated by the allies, they were being transported via train away from the camp. Standing on the train platform waiting to board, an un-captured SS soldier walked up to his father and shot him in the head, killing him...
I've been to Mauthausen and Dachau. I've met many Holocaust survivors, have seen the tattoos, heard the stories.
I went to Mauthhausen with an Austrian friend who was from the town... he's a big guy, around 6'-7" tall. I'll never forget going through the crematoria with him, tears streaming down his face. His mother was in her 20's at the time the camp was operational. She said everyone in town knew what was happening there... the pall of sickly sweet smoke from burning bodies hung in the air.
My father had a good friend that survived Auschwitz. He was a teenager, and he and his father both survived 4 years of living hell there. When they were liberated by the allies, they were being transported via train away from the camp. Standing on the train platform waiting to board, an un-captured SS soldier walked up to his father and shot him in the head, killing him...
Holocaust deniers are the lowest form of scum...
Scum is probably unfair in the case of BlueMoron. In his case it's an issue of intelligence...
I went to Dachau years back on a cold, damp and light foggy November day. Riding the city bus out of Munich I noticed the number of old Germans on the bus and could feel my anger building towards those elderly who in their day did nothing. It was the most quiet and solemn bus ride I've ever taken. Once at Dachau concentration camp and after a visit to the museum I was overcome by the immense sadness of millions of people. I'm glad I went and believe that I'd be more than happy to rearrange the facial features of any loudmouth revisionist I encounter.
I watched a documentary the other day that interviewed a guard from auschwitz. He said that his reasons for coming forward and talking about it all these years later were to silence those that say it didn't happen or it wasn't as bad as we've been told. It became his life's mission to tell the truth about how bad it was and how it happened on such a huge scale.
So, you're saying that some who accepts that a "holocaust", IE, the slaughter of innocents occurred, but doesn't necessarily accept the nice round six mil number trotted out, is likewise scum?
The Germans were meticulous record keepers, often to their own incrimination. I'm comfortable that in the last 70+ years the world has an accurate accounting of the number killed in the camps.
The Germans were meticulous record keepers, often to their own incrimination. I'm comfortable that in the last 70+ years the world has an accurate accounting of the number killed in the camps.
So, you're saying Sobran etal, were too stupid to count?
I went to Dachau years back on a cold, damp and light foggy November day. Riding the city bus out of Munich I noticed the number of old Germans on the bus and could feel my anger building towards those elderly who in their day did nothing.
You've got a fuggin' PROBLEM dude. So, everybody in Georgia should face retribution for Andersonville?
Sobran was an anti-semite, blaming Jews and any US policy with any favoritism or benefit to Isreal (our only ally in the ME, btw) as part of a Jewish-Zioist plot.
Sobran was vocal in blaming US ME polisy as being th root of 9/11. He considered communism "Jewish Bolshevism".
So a guy that is obviously anti-Semitic challeges the 6 million figure, I'm to accept that and forget the records captured at the end of WW II?
I'll take William L. Shirer accounts over Sobrans Sorry. In the end, what if it was only 18%? 1 million is an astronomic figure.
6 million divided by 1825 days = 3287 people per day, every day for 5 consecutive years.
Busy folks.
You make it sound like it was all linear and orderly. And, BTW, it was a bit ore than 5 years in it's entirety.
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From May 15 to July 9, over 430,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz. During this time, Auschwitz recorded its highest-ever daily number of persons killed and cremated at just over 9000.
The Nazis kept impeccable records about everything - not just the Holocaust.
They are a people who crucified their savior and chose eternal damnation over eternal life. When viewed in that context, their mindset and the suffering they have encountered and will continue to encounter is no surprise at all.
WTF is the thread about ?? why drag the extermination of POLISH people into it ?
Gee, Idunno...
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In the spring of 1940, Himmler ordered the building of a concentration camp near the Polish city of Oswiecim, renamed Auschwitz by the Germans, to hold Polish prisoners and to provide slave labor for new German-run factories to be built nearby.
6 million divided by 1825 days = 3287 people per day, every day for 5 consecutive years.
Busy folks.
They were and it caused logistical problems killing and disposing of all the dead. It's well documented just how tough it was to keep up with the showers.
6 million divided by 1825 days = 3287 people per day, every day for 5 consecutive years.
Busy folks.
They were and it caused logistical problems killing and disposing of all the dead. It's well documented just how tough it was to keep up with the showers.
True, that. It actually interfered with the war effort.
WTF is the thread about ?? why drag the extermination of POLISH people into it ?
why Robert why do you choose to degrade those who choose abortion ? its their body and their choice, an undeveloped feotus aint no person
you are an ugly [bleep] human, go stick ya dick in a blender
These issues are charged with emotion no doubt...
In the pro-life community we have the reasoned honesty to set a date and time when life begins. The pro-aborts set the date and time at the moment of exiting the birth canal. Any thinking person with a connscience must see the inadequacy of this position. Five minutes prior- not life- can be killed. Five minutes late- is life has legal protection. Think about it. Do you really truly believe that five minutes prior to exiting the birth canal this is just a chunk of goo and tissue that can be chopped up and tossed down the toilet? Really truly... you believe that? If you do you are worse than a Nazi. Honestly.
5mins WTF are you on about Robert ?? Ive said nuthin of the sort and bringing the Nazi's into the argument really, what sort of sick [bleep] are you.....
Your presentation of abortion does you no favors, your a lunatic plain and simple
I ve been to Auschitz and stood in the square whilst it was minus -20 deg C still snowing, my ex of 15 years was Polish born and raised and I spent many months in Poland looking at the after effects of German occupation
you are a very sick man linking what the Nazi's did too a womans choice about there own body.
"Most people are familiar with the names of the major concentration camps - Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau, and Treblinka, for example - but few realize that these were not the only places where Jews and other prisoners were held by the Nazis. Each of the 23 main camps had subcamps, nearly 900 of them in total. These included camps with euphemistic names, such as “care facilities for foreign children,” where pregnant prisoners were sent for forced abortions..."
And don't forget all the slave labor both jewish/non jewish that died/were murdered building the defensive lines and ships and aircraft and...outside the known camps.
Who's discounting the Gypsies and Armenians, or the Ukrainians or any other ethnic group including Germans (who had no relations to jews) who were hauled off never to be seen again? It's not an either or problem.
F'ing Tyranny is F'ng Tyranny! Why try to diminish any aspect of it for the sake of semantics?
Who's discounting the Gypsies and Armenians, or the Ukrainians or any other ethnic group including Germans (who had no relations to jews) who were hauled off never to be seen again? It's not an either or problem.
F'ing Tyranny is F'ng Tyranny! Why try to diminish any aspect of it for the sake of semantics?
The only thing I'm trying to "diminish", is control of the US economy, and possible getting one or two brainwashed people to pull their head outta their azz.
The US Congress handed MFN trade status to Red China, while the heirs to Mao's massacre of 20 MILLION + were still in power. Is a slant eye's life worth less than jew's?
The "semantic" is maybe, or more probably, highly likely that we've been conned, to the detriment of the nation.
Do a "man-in-the-street" and ask young folks about the following:
1) The Holocaust
2) The Holodomor
3) The horrific murderous thing in China that doesn't have a name.
Then get back with me.
If you read this and don't "get it", you've been brainwashed as bad as the greenies on the global warming issue.
5mins WTF are you on about Robert ?? Ive said nuthin of the sort and bringing the Nazi's into the argument really, what sort of sick [bleep] are you.....
Your presentation of abortion does you no favors, your a lunatic plain and simple
Explain from your perspective: when does life begin?
This video indicts the entire pro-abort community as worse than Hitler and the Nazis: http://www.silentscream.org/
As I seem to recall, the 6 million figure was for Jews with a total number killed in the 17-25 million range depending on source. The beginnings were the mid-1930s but were not nearly as efficient as later efforts.
In two days over 30,000 Jews of Kiev were shot, yes shot, and buried in the gully called Babi Yar. Many tens of thousands additional people were killed in the camp situated in the same area afterward.
The atrocity had been covered up by the Soviet government after the Nuremberg trials in spite of copious records. One of my daughter in laws is from Kiev and it is something she nor her parents knew anything about.
There were at least two other mass executions such as Babi Yar with well over 100,000 killed in a short period of time. When the Nazis got an idea into their head, they went all out to accomplish it.
Who's discounting the Gypsies and Armenians, or the Ukrainians or any other ethnic group including Germans (who had no relations to jews) who were hauled off never to be seen again? It's not an either or problem.
F'ing Tyranny is F'ng Tyranny! Why try to diminish any aspect of it for the sake of semantics?
The only thing I'm trying to "diminish", is control of the US economy, and possible getting one or two brainwashed people to pull their head outta their azz.
The US Congress handed MFN trade status to Red China, while the heirs to Mao's massacre of 20 MILLION + were still in power. Is a slant eye's life worth less than jew's?
The "semantic" is maybe, or more probably, highly likely that we've been conned, to the detriment of the nation.
Do a "man-in-the-street" and ask young folks about the following:
1) The Holocaust
2) The Holodomor
3) The horrific murderous thing in China that doesn't have a name.
Then get back with me.
If you read this and don't "get it", you've been brainwashed as bad as the greenies on the global warming issue.
I "got it" long ago. Like I said, F'ing Tyranny is F'ing Tyranny. It's all the same whether nazis killing Jews and gypsies, Turks killing Armenians, kmer rouge killing Cambodians, Chinese commies killing Chinese, stalin killing Ukranian Kulaks.... Swapping one for the other to push a personal agenda is a waste of energy.
Who's discounting the Gypsies and Armenians, or the Ukrainians or any other ethnic group including Germans (who had no relations to jews) who were hauled off never to be seen again? It's not an either or problem.
F'ing Tyranny is F'ng Tyranny! Why try to diminish any aspect of it for the sake of semantics?
The only thing I'm trying to "diminish", is control of the US economy, and possible getting one or two brainwashed people to pull their head outta their azz.
The US Congress handed MFN trade status to Red China, while the heirs to Mao's massacre of 20 MILLION + were still in power. Is a slant eye's life worth less than jew's?
The "semantic" is maybe, or more probably, highly likely that we've been conned, to the detriment of the nation.
Do a "man-in-the-street" and ask young folks about the following:
1) The Holocaust
2) The Holodomor
3) The horrific murderous thing in China that doesn't have a name.
Then get back with me.
If you read this and don't "get it", you've been brainwashed as bad as the greenies on the global warming issue.
I "got it" long ago. ..... Swapping one for the other to push a personal agenda is a waste of energy.
No, you don't "get it", and you also don't "get" who has the agenda. It sure as hell ain't yours truly.
German SS officer and Auschwitz “physician” Josef Mengele once wrote, “There’s only one truth and one true beauty …There’s no ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in nature. There’s only ‘appropriate’ or ‘inappropriate’… Both sides receive equal chances. Nevertheless, nature provides a strainer. Things that are ‘inappropriate’ fall through since they lose in the struggle for survival.”
More lately, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director for medical services, had this to say: “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part. I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”
It’s almost like Planned Parenthood is the strainer and babies, those inappropriate little consequences of life, fall through in the struggle for survival while the organs, the appropriate parts, survive and get sold at market. Ain’t progress grand?
.......At the End of the Day, It’s the Ethos
Eric Ferrero, Planned Parenthood’s vice president of communications, released the following response to these revelations of his organization’s organ harvesting and sales:
In health care, patients sometimes want to donate tissue to scientific research that can help lead to medical breakthroughs, such as treatments and cures for serious diseases. Women at Planned Parenthood who have abortions are no different. At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does — with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards. There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.
Ferrero might want to check with Nucatola about that “no financial benefit” part. He might also want to get his science on and learn the difference between tissue and an organ. As long as he’s doing some homework and not just spitting propaganda, he might want to imbibe the truth offered by Walter Sobchak in “The Big Lebowski,” because while Planned Parenthood and the National Socialist Party’s rationales for medical experimentation and murder track closely, there’s a major difference. It actually makes us realize Planned Parenthood is worse than were the Nazis.
See, Planned Parenthood is run by a bunch of nihilists, as evidenced by the fact that they obviously find life meaningless. Nihilists! I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos, a philosophy of life that attempts to provide meaning to and excuses for butchery. When it comes to harvesting organs for sale, solely for the sake of $30 to $100, you’ve officially abandoned any claim to an ethos, even a disgusting and misguided one. When you have no intention of stopping, because progress! even as the death toll rises, you’re nothing more than state-sponsored murderers
How any human being can casually dismiss a mother going to a "doctor" to have her own unborn child ripped to shreds as making a personal choice is absurd. The close she wears, her makeup, those are choices. Killing your child?????????
And people wonder why are world is insane and we are stuck with the "leaders" we have. When the populace can't even acknowledge the unborn and protect the most fragile of lives, it is no wonder we are where we are.
How any human being can casually dismiss a mother going to a "doctor" to have her own unborn child ripped to shreds as making a personal choice is absurd. The close she wears, her makeup, those are choices. Killing your child?????????
And people wonder why are world is insane and we are stuck with the "leaders" we have. When the populace can't even acknowledge the unborn and protect the most fragile of lives, it is no wonder we are where we are.
The 6 million number is bullshit. The actual number killed in the camps and in the field far exceeds that. Why do we only count Jews? Nobody else counts?
If 7000 can be killed with cap and ball in 3 days in 1863, killing 6 million over a 6 year period don't seem like a stretch in the least.
Hard to fathom
Not really..When you factor in the huge number of additional deaths in other categories of prisoners and the fact the camps were not all operation for the full span of the war, many people simply can't comprehend killing on such an industrial scale.
Its not just the "killing" its all the other logistics involved, primarily the disposal of the bodies.
Add to that we now perhaps three generations away from these events, so its now more a "historical event" than something that people of say my grandfathers generation actually lived through...
Look at the Spanish Flu outbreak at the end of WW1..Millions and millions died, but by the 1950's, the full horrors of it was largely forgotten by Joe Public...
6 million divided by 1825 days = 3287 people per day, every day for 5 consecutive years.
Busy folks.
When you consider the number of camps and the facilities therein to process the raw materials, the numbers you cite are easily attainable. Then when you add the thousands of "on the spot" executions as the Germans moved east, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, etc, the number is not unrealistic. Total deaths caused by WII is north of 50M.
[quote=jorgeI When you consider the number of camps and the facilities therein to process the raw materials, the numbers you cite are easily attainable. Then when you add the thousands of "on the spot" executions as the Germans moved east, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, etc, the number is not unrealistic. Total deaths caused by WII is north of 50M. [/quote]
That is an unfathomable number. More than the numbe of poeple living in Texas and Florida combined. Think about that!
The functional definition of Holocaust Denial is to deviate to any degree from the received version of the story in all details. Were Jews rounded up and put in work camps? Certainly. The plan was to remove them from Germany, and ultimately from Europe, but the expansion of the war forced them to halt that activity. Did thousands of Jews die in those camps? Certainly ... perhaps several hundred thousand, according to Internaional Red Cross, the vast majority of whom died in the last months of the European Theater stage of the war due to typhus and dysintery as a consequence of supply lines having been cut off by allied bombing. Was there a German program to murder Jews, systematically or otherwise? The evidence to support this notion simply doesn't exist. It's fiction.
There was evil action going on on all sides during this period in history, before, during, and after the war. But Germany lost, so what had been Allied war propaganda became official history, which both exaggerated German crimes and swept under the rug the crimes of the Allied nations.
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
The "gas chambers" there were built by the Russians after the war for propaganda purposes. What is presented as German gas chambers there couldn't possibly have functioned as gas chambers, for multiple reasons. Do the research.
Did thousands of Jews die in those camps? Certainly ... perhaps several hundred thousand,
Didn't take long for the rest of the kook-klub to show up..
Name another area of history that has an official orthodoxy enforced by criminal codes in multiple Western European nations, not to mention Australia and Canada.
Hey, I can't help it if the joos are smarter. It's the INSANITY of the numbers you posted that earned you the KOTY points. You're still way ahead, no worries.
News hit Zero's desk that two Brazilian soldiers had been killed... Obama wept piteously and finally screwed up the courage to ask Valerie "how many is a Brazilian?"
News hit Zero's desk that two Brazilian soldiers had been killed... Obama wept piteously and finally screwed up the courage to ask Valerie "how many is a Brazilian?"
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
The "gas chambers" there were built by the Russians after the war for propaganda purposes. What is presented as German gas chambers there couldn't possibly have functioned as gas chambers, for multiple reasons. Do the research.
USDA beef slaughter states over 100,000 head daily. Last week. If we can kill, cool, age and process cows on that scale so easy, 6 million Jews over five years would be easy.
WTF is the thread about ?? why drag the extermination of POLISH people into it ?
why Robert why do you choose to degrade those who choose abortion ? its their body and their choice, an undeveloped feotus aint no person
you are an ugly [bleep] human, go stick ya dick in a blender
These issues are charged with emotion no doubt...
In the pro-life community we have the reasoned honesty to set a date and time when life begins. The pro-aborts set the date and time at the moment of exiting the birth canal. Any thinking person with a connscience must see the inadequacy of this position. Five minutes prior- not life- can be killed. Five minutes late- is life has legal protection. Think about it. Do you really truly believe that five minutes prior to exiting the birth canal this is just a chunk of goo and tissue that can be chopped up and tossed down the toilet? Really truly... you believe that? If you do you are worse than a Nazi. Honestly.
While there were: Jews, Gypsies, Socialists, Communists, Homosexuals, Jehowas Witnesses,.... in concentration camps before outbreak of WWII mass deportations and executions did not start until the tide of war turned against Germany. The span of mass executions was considerably less than five years. Anyhow questioning of the Holocaust or numbers killed is not allowed in the United States. You must stop this topic immediately.
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
The "gas chambers" there were built by the Russians after the war for propaganda purposes. What is presented as German gas chambers there couldn't possibly have functioned as gas chambers, for multiple reasons. Do the research.
Zyklon B - it ain't for roaches.
And this is why nobody, but nobody, will EVER take the KOTY Emeritus title from TRH(K)
WTF is the thread about ?? why drag the extermination of POLISH people into it ?
why Robert why do you choose to degrade those who choose abortion ? its their body and their choice, an undeveloped feotus aint no person
you are an ugly [bleep] human, go stick ya dick in a blender
Many of those killed were Polish Jews. The mass murder started in Belorussian forrest where NKVD shot thousands of Polish officers. They had to punished for saving Western Europe from Bolsheviks in 1920. The Germans started later.
The Poles should have joined Germany prior to about april of 1939. This would allow Germany to destroy France and Great Britain. All (Germany, Poland, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland) could then join in mass assault against the Soviet Union. The map of Europe would look much different today if that happened.
Well the Poles did rather join Germany in dividing Czechoslovakia. Didn't turn out too well for them though. While I agree the Nazi's battling the Russians was in 'everyone's' interest (except of course the poor millions caught up in it) the defeat of Britain would have been as welcome as the occupation of France by those who lived through it. Would have just prolonged things more.
IF this had happened and assuming America was not drawn in to the ETO (euro war) it begs questions such as how much quicker we may have been able to defeat the Japanese, whather the atom bombs would have been needed or used? Of course if hypothesizing, the Japs hated the Russians too so why not suggest we align with them for a two front war against USSR? Wonder if that could have forestalled a communist China?
If it's and buts were candy and nuts oh what a world it would be!!!
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
The "gas chambers" there were built by the Russians after the war for propaganda purposes. What is presented as German gas chambers there couldn't possibly have functioned as gas chambers, for multiple reasons. Do the research.
Zyklon B - it ain't for roaches.
You're right, it ain't for roaches, it was for lice that spread typhus.
I seriously doubt the alleged "six million" number that has been trotted out for decades. The fact that it happened is an historical fact. I've been to Auschwitz.
The "gas chambers" there were built by the Russians after the war for propaganda purposes. What is presented as German gas chambers there couldn't possibly have functioned as gas chambers, for multiple reasons. Do the research.
Zyklon B - it ain't for roaches.
Correct. Not for roaches. At that period in time, it was a common agent for eradicating lice, which was a common carrier of typhus. People around the world used it by the tons then, in real gas chambers, but chambers designed for clothes, not people (no room for standing people). And there was such a chamber at Auschwitz, and its walls are to this day covered in Zyklon B residue. No such residue is discoverable on the walls of what the Soviets claimed were the human gas chambers there, however.
When I was in college Dr. Wiesenthal, the famed Nazi hunter, gave a speech at the student union. My history prof suggested we attend, and I sat in about the 3rd row. It was interesting seeing someone who lived through that disaster.
A few seats away from me was a woman, about the same age as the doctor, who sat on the edge of her seat through the whole speech. As the doctor raised his arm and pointed to the Nazi tattoos, his prisoner number, she held her arm high aloft too, and pointed to her number. She was also a concentration camp survivor. After the speech she went to him, and they greeted one another with tears in their eyes.
The emotion on their faces was plain to see, and it clearly illustrated the horrors they lived through. Anyone who claims the Holocaust didn't happen is a fool, or has a very sinister agenda.
When I was in college Dr. Wiesenthal, the famed Nazi hunter, gave a speech at the student union. My history prof suggested we attend, and I sat in about the 3rd row. It was interesting seeing someone who lived through that disaster.
A few seats away from me was a woman, about the same age as the doctor, who sat on the edge of her seat through the whole speech. As the doctor raised his arm and pointed to the Nazi tattoos, his prisoner number, she held her arm high aloft too, and pointed to her number. She was also a concentration camp survivor. After the speech she went to him, and they greeted one another with tears in their eyes.
The emotion on their faces was plain to see, and it clearly illustrated the horrors they lived through. Anyone who claims the Holocaust didn't happen is a fool, or has a very sinister agenda.
Indeed. Mankind was inhumane to man on a massive scale during that period of history, but it wasn't exclusive to German villains and Jewish victims.
Well, this thread has certainly been enlightening.
So, the Rooskies quickly built a convincing potemkin gas chamber village (and western brass were too stupid not to fall for it), and the fact that zyklon was used for lice proves that people weren't gassed (by the simplest of means - CO.
Got it.
Nothing like a good joo thread to bring the gullible nuts out of the woodwork.
Well, this thread has certainly been enlightening.
So, the Rooskies quickly built a convincing potemkin gas chamber village (and western brass were too stupid not to fall for it), and the fact that zyklon was used for lice proves that people weren't gassed (by the simplest of means - CO.
Got it.
Nothing like a good joo thread to bring the gullible nuts out of the woodwork.
No great effort is required to research these questions. The Russians don't even deny it anymore. When pressed, even the Russian and Polish curators admit it. You only need to scratch the surface of the mythology and it all falls apart. So few are willing to do even that, however, having been so thoroughly indoctrinated on the subject.
Well, this thread has certainly been enlightening.
So, the Rooskies quickly built a convincing potemkin gas chamber village (and western brass were too stupid not to fall for it), and the fact that zyklon was used for lice proves that people weren't gassed (by the simplest of means - CO.
Got it.
Nothing like a good joo thread to bring the gullible nuts out of the woodwork.
No great effort is required to research these questions. The Russians don't even deny it anymore. When pressed, even the Russian and Polish curators admit it. You only need to scratch the surface of the mythology and it all falls apart. So few are willing to do even that, however, having been so thoroughly indoctrinated on the subject.
I find scratching the surface through the Internet to be particularly amusing. In doing so, I have learned that the Holocaust is either faked or exaggerated (depending on source), man never stepped on the moon, space aliens are living on the bottom of the ocean, time travel has been done (in the fifties, even), and a list of astonishing "facts" that goes on and on. I can argue either side of just about any ridiculous claim you can think of with "proof" garnered from the net - given the proper motivation. You may think that qualifies as "research". Real research involves personally traveling to and examining sites and source documents, as well as personally interviewing eye witnesses. You haven't done these things, so you are just buying someone's story because it fits your world view.
Yeah, we all do that, but the trick is to curb your bias and examine the source. I suggest you try harder at that. In the meantime, don't attempt to throw the "research" claim at me.
You sure do have moments when you make sense but when you fall off the short buss,YOU REALLY FALL OFF.
Fake killing all of those folks,what a loon.
You will have to level precisely the same charge at the curators at Auschwitz, then. Its first commemorative plaque stated the number killed there was four million. After repeated challenges to prove this, it was revised down years later to 1.5 million. Shame on them, eh? So why wasn't the six million claim then revised down correspondingly?
You might have mentioned a book called "Hitler's Willing Executioners," by Daniel Goldhagen. It's tedious. It has 125 PAGES of research notes in the back.
It details how the German people could have collaborated in the Holocaust. Contrary to later fiction, millions of Germans collaborated in the execution of the Jews, in part due to a long history of anti-semitism and a concept of the German "Volk," which meant that Jews were a separate race to them and could not even be converted. The book details how middle aged civilians were drafted into police gangs and learned to shoot children in the face without even questioning if that were bad. It talks also of how easy it was for Germans to get Poles and Lithuanians to torture jews while they were killing them.
I have often wondered how it was that ordinary people of European extraction could have been so callous and cruel.
6 million divided by 1825 days = 3287 people per day, every day for 5 consecutive years.
Busy folks.
There were 7 main extermination camps. That takes the total per camp to just under 470/day. In total there were about 15,000 camps for forced labor, concentration, and holding in Nazi occupied territory during WWII. Many died there, also, which would reduce the 470/day/camp figure significantly.
Had Germany not spent this level of manpower and resources on their "final solution" for the Jews and others they hated, they certainly would have had a much better chance at winning the war, and likely would have.
You might have mentioned a book called "Hitler's Willing Executioners," by Daniel Goldhagen. It's tedious. It has 125 PAGES of research notes in the back.
It details how the German people could have collaborated in the Holocaust. Contrary to later fiction, millions of Germans collaborated in the execution of the Jews, in part due to a long history of anti-semitism and a concept of the German "Volk," which meant that Jews were a separate race to them and could not even be converted. The book details how middle aged civilians were drafted into police gangs and learned to shoot children in the face without even questioning if that were bad. It talks also of how easy it was for Germans to get Poles and Lithuanians to torture jews while they were killing them.
I have often wondered how it was that ordinary people of European extraction could have been so callous and cruel.
Indeed. Mankind was inhumane to man on a massive scale during that period of history, but it wasn't exclusive to German villains and Jewish victims.
Of course it wasn't, but man has been what we term as inhumane throughout history and continues to be. That will continue until the end. That makes me believe it is not really inhumane, but simply human, though the dark side of human, to be sure. A side we all possess, but too often possesses us.
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