I disagree with Muslims on religion and nearly every other issue but there's something to be said for respecting an enemy with a coherent ideology and principles. Too many Americans sit by and watch our founding principles and rights from 2A to state rights, to liberal transgenders in the military get thrown out while doing nothing about it. As much as I dislike Muslims they do at least have the "guts" to fight for there world vision. America was a better place when Americans did the same.
Better said I don't respect them or their ideology but I do think that they do more to fight for their world view than most unfortunately lazy American and Europeans that blindly follow whatever laws are passed.

You go right ahead and respect them and their ideologies, but don't attempt to coerce me into it.

and how do you shoot that gun with a mitten on?

Yes there is. You just disqualified islam.

The same can be said for lieberals. It's why they win.

Conservatives have become extremely internally combative and complacent. It's why they lose.

I DO respect them, enough to desire to kill them ALL, and their pet goats and camels.

I respect them the same way I respect venomous snakes and large carnivores.

zero respect for islam. Yeah, I recognize they are there, but in no way, shape or form, do I respect them.
Respect is earned. So is hatred.

This is what I was trying to say. We have the power to eradicate them and yet we sit back and let them terrorize our country, elect a Muslim for president and they no doubt laugh at us for our military making headlines not for whooping their Azz but for allowing transgenders in. If we fought half as hard for our beliefs the U.S. Would be a dramatically different place.

We ain't at the brink yet. Besides, we need about another million liberals to die before they start getting a little upset.

They are entitled to the same rights I have but no more.
Like a criminal being innocent until proven guilty for instance, if I'm not on the jury I can think anything I want about his guilt.
I don't respect the Muslim bastards, and no law requires me to.
My thoughts can't be controlled.

The U.S. was founded on the right ideals and it made America great but we sit by and lose our rights and freedoms. Muslims as f'ed up as their world view is at least have the balls to take up arms for their world view rather than blindly follow the media. An American that gives away their freedom and birth rights is in some ways more dishonorable than a goat fugger that is willing to fight.

So, you really think killing women and kids with terrorist acts is 'fighting'.

Really?

I think fighting for your country and world view is better than doing nothing. As Americans right is on our side but we sit back and watch our borders get overrun, boy's compete in girls cross-country because the boy identifies as a girl, Bill Clinton hold a private meeting with the Attorney General, our 2A rights robbed, and our lives micromanaged while doing nothing but watching it happen. No I do not like Muslims but there is something to be said for standing up and fighting which they do and sadly we do not.

You could say the same thing about Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, Kim, etc., etc. They all had a "coherent ideology and principles," depending on one's point-of-view.

I did not agree with their ideology and principles, nor do I agree with the Muslims' ideology and principles.

I do agree that "progressive liberals" have elected a male who apparently does agree with their ideology and principles. From what I've seen and read, our Dear Leader was born a Muslim and is a Muslim, which explains most of his decisions in the past 7½ years regarding our approach to dealing with the Muslim terrorist problem.

My take on the question.

L.W.

Respect is earned, not given.

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So, you really think killing women and kids with terrorist acts is 'fighting'.

Really? [/quote]
It isn't laying down. From infected blankets handed out to woman and kids during the Indian wars, to dropping nukes on Japan, to drones bombing wedding parties it's a part of warfare that has gone on as long has there has been combat.

Islamism is entertwined with politics, rape, murder, lying and stealing. really sounds like something to respect. Oh, remember their bible tells them to kill or enslave us.

My point and I didn't express it well is that they're an enemy willing to fight for their beliefs while to many of us sit by and do nothing. There's something to be said for fighting for your beliefs.

By using that rule of thumb you are inferring that the wholesale execution of muslims in the West is a legitimate tactic.

I really do hope you are not suggesting that, because if you are then you are a nut of the first order.

Don't take this the wrong way, but GFY.

"Jesus said, ..they that are not with us are against us."

I'll respect His Words & no others.

Absolutely not I believe in the founding principles of this country and believe that is what made America great. I'm not sure what you're drawing that conclusion from?

Reread your posts sport.

They are gutless savages, animals. They shoot fish in a barrel. They suck!

My point to this post no matter how poorly worded is that America was founded on great ideas, that we watch get stripped away and that as a group we're unwilling to fight. While Muslims despite there f'ed up views have shown a willingness to fight. So while we bash them and rightfully so they at least fight for their convictions while to many of us do nothing.

Cool...you must have a crush on pol pot then.

No killing women and children with terrorist acts is reserved for the U S ARMY as practiced on innocent native americans. All you holier than thow folks "GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE U S is just as guilty as any country in the world!!!!!1

They would do it to you and yours.
Proof is in history

JSTUART I mostly agree with your views and post. On this we'll disagree. My point being which is more dishonorable to have fugged up ideas that you're willing to fight for or to have the right ideas but to sit pat while your rights and freedoms are stripped away? I dislike Muslims and what they stand for but they are willing to fight while we as a whole watch our rights being taken away and do nothing.

I change my mind. We should respect them, in exactly the same manner that the Romans respected the Carthaginians.

Bottom line - they wanna kill us and send us to Hell.

My reply to them is, "you first"...

That was what, about 150 years ago? What since?

Eff you... Don't like it here? GET THE HELL OUT....and make it snappy..

I feel so guilty. I think I will visit the Little Big Horn site this fall after my visits to Pearl Harbor and Nagasaki.


mike r

For crying out loud you are like a broken record...wake up to yourself.

You are probably right...but I have no desire to hunt anyone down, particularly not women and kids.

yeah love the little big horn site One dumb ass and 162 others stupid enough to follow him got what they deserved!!!! Still wasn't justice

I respect the principles of our forefathers as outlined in the Constitution. I also believe that when those principles are abused I respect the 2A and our right to defend the document in its entirety.

I have no respect for Muslim swine but as long as they practice their religion peacefully there's nothing that I can do. I'd prefer that every muslim in this country be deported or killed. There are those serving our country honorably and they'd be given different consideration as long as their allegiance is to this country FIRST! Anything else and they can be fed to the pigs too. I'm sick of tolerance and liberal bullshlt.

Up until mohammed and a few centurys after. The Middle East was Christians and peaceful. What happened?
Doomed to repeat history if you can't learn from it.

Truth be known....muslim ideology probably would not condone 'The CampFire'.

Islam is what it is. Worldwide it seems to be a very small percentage of them that are peaceful.

In My Humble Opinion.... The RADICAL muslim is the one that lives beside us infidels 'in peace'..... the question is are they just waiting for the right moment?

You don't have to worry about "hunting anyone down". The United States will do the heavy lifting as we've always done and you can carry on with your "insightful" commentary on American politics and policy on an American outdoor website. You and your fellow countrymen have already been neutered by liberal policies and complacency so you'll forgive us if we couldn't care less about your wants or desires.

Short answer NO. Long answer HELL NO.

NOT NO,BUT HELL NO.

No.

Yep Iraq sure was a big barrel, n that barrels still burning !!!!!

I mean hell no!!

We should respect them only insofar as you would respect any enemy-and don't mistake that, for thats what they are. They have shown they are willing to fight, indeed willing to do anything, we should never forget that.
It is imperative that we show them we are crazier than they are. Retaliation for any act, tenfold, would be just a start. Violence is what they understand, so we should respect them enough to talk to them in their own language......

another stupid thread designed to arouse the chest thumpers for the OP's amusement. The question is beyond stupid. There is no such thing as a unified Muslim ideology anymore than there is a unified Christian one.

The OP has not a clue about the Muslim religion, making the assumption that all Muslims are ISIS-like butchers .... as dumb as thinking all Christians are neo-Nazis because those fools run around with crosses and swastikas.

as was pointed out, respecting anyone because they are fanatics is stupid. it matters not what brand of fanatics they are, all fanatics are dangerous.

let's get back to guns etc. and stop polluting the site with nonsense.

I don't respect anyone that can't think for themselves and blindly follows a set ideology that has been laid down in front of them. That goes for christians or muslims.

You can only be reasonable with reasonable people....With the unreasonable you must reason through violence.

JSTUART

I keep this Aussie, or Kiwi, what ever he is, azzclown on ignore because he has never had anything intelligent to say. Seems he spends half his life on American politics, and always gets it wrong.
A hearty GFY, and why don't you find a forum based over in your own country to pontificate on? Azzhole.

There is no basis for respecting or trusting a group founded in murder, rape and pedophilia and unwilling to ever disavow it.

Remember the Yazidis said their muslim neighbors of many peaceful years simply turned on them and slaughtered them when the time was right. They wait, like cats.

I may be wrong but I was told the following. Ever notice how much trouble Jordan has with terrorist? My understanding is they do their best to capture and interrogate. Then they kill all friends and family of terrorist. Ma, pa, bro, sis, uncle Fred, aunts , nephews nieces. Gets them all so none are left to continue terrorist views and actions

Yup, I have as much respect for Muslims as I have respect for Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson.

From today's The American Thinker:

By Raymond Ibrahim

One of the greatest problems with the much cherished “moderate/radical” Muslim dichotomy is that it’s entirely based on Western assumptions that have nothing to do with the realities of Islam.

This came out in a study published in Arabic (my recent translation here):

Islamic researchers are agreed that what the West and its followers call “moderate Islam” and “moderate Muslims” is simply a slur against Islam and Muslims, a distortion of Islam, a rift among Muslims, a spark to ignite war among them. They also see that the division of Islam into “moderate Islam” and “radical Islam” has no basis in Islam -- neither in its doctrines and rulings, nor in its understandings or reality.

In keeping with various disturbing polls, the study found that everything associated with “radical Islam” – adherence to Islamic law (sharia), subordinate position for women and non-Muslims, draconian punishments, jihad to spread Islam, and opposition to democracy – is a reflection of authentic Islam.

Objectively speaking – from a doctrinal, historic, and even contemporary perspective – such observations are hard to deny. Yet the idea of the “moderate Muslim” continues to allure and resonate with many in the West.

Why?

Because growing numbers of Western people are unaware that they belong to a distinct civilization and unique heritage. Rather, they arrogantly see themselves as the culmination of all human history – supposed rational thinkers who’ve left all cultural and religious baggage behind. Such was the thesis of one much touted book the prophecy of which remains unfulfilled: The End of History and the Last Man.

Forgotten (or suppressed) is that Western civilization did not develop in a vacuum. All values prized by the modern West – religious freedom, tolerance, humanism, gender equality, monogamy – are inextricably rooted to Judeo-Christian principles, which, over the course of some 2,000 years, have had a profound influence on Western epistemology, society, and culture. While they are now simply taken for granted as “universal” values, it’s not for nothing that they were born in Christian – not Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, or Shamanistic – nations.

This is why there are no “moderate” and “radical” Christians. Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, Christians don’t have to “moderate” their religion to coexist peacefully in the secular West. The teachings of their holy book comport quite well with the laws governing society (unsurprisingly so, since many of these laws are based on the principles of that book).

All this is missed by those ignorant of the spiritual and intellectual roots of Western civilization. They embrace notions of relativism and multiculturalism, the idea that all religions and cultures are the same and, more subtly, that they are destined to develop like the West, the supposed natural culmination of human history.

If the boons of Western civilization are not a distinct product of Christian culture, then they must be standard for and appreciable to civilizations. According to this view, the Muslim is ultimately an embryonic Westerner. Whatever his religion seems to say – whatever he says – surely he appreciates the need to practice it privately, respect religious freedom, gender equality, and so on. Thus is he made “in our image” (except, of course, we forget the roots of “our image”).

Overlooked is that the Muslim has his own unique and ancient worldview and set of principles – which in turn prompt behavior deemed “radical” by Western (falsely assumed “universal”) standards.

Such thinking is further arrogant and ethnocentric – two things liberals always warn against yet constantly do. While the conservative acknowledges that Islam has its own principles, the liberal ignores these, believing instead that Muslims “are just like us.” This view, which arrogantly brushes aside Islam’s role in the Muslim’s life, doesn’t seem ethnocentric because the “us” is believed to be not particular (Western or Christian), but universal. This arrogance has gotten to the point that whenever Muslims behave in “radical” ways antithetical to Western standards – but consistent with traditional Islam – the West concludes that they must be mentally insane.

Faith in moderate Islam is faith in the notion that a human can be both secular and Muslim at the same time. Portraying what at root is a Christian paradigm as “universal,” and then applying it to an alien culture like Islam, is doomed to failure. Christians can and always have lived and thrived in secular or even anti-Christian environments because Christian teachings transcend the law and render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.

Conversely, Islam and the law are one and the same; without the law, Islam is meaningless. The Arabic word Islam literally means “submit.” Submit to what? Allah’s commandments as codified in sharia and derived from the Koran (literal words of Allah) and Hadith (words and deeds of Islam’s prophet Muhammad). And these commandments – from death to the apostate and blasphemer to jihad and subjugation for the infidel – are anything but “Western.”

In the final analysis, “moderate Islam” is really nothing less than an Islam without Islam – or “Western Islam,” an oxymoron – explaining why it is viewed with great scorn outside the West (even London’s first Muslim mayor disparagingly refers to moderate Muslims as “Uncle Toms”). The idea that Muslims can be true to their religion and yet naturally fit into Western society is false – and built on an equally false premise: that Christianity, Islam’s historic archenemy, somehow also had to moderate itself to fit into a secular society – when, in fact, Christian principles were fundamental to the creation of the West.

THIS, absolutely this!!!

I don't understand why all the fuggen conservation regarding the OP's question! All Muslims are my enemy, and the enemy of any other person who's not muslim. Therefore I don't respect or trust any muslim. Real simple in my mind!!!

Kill every of those camel humpers, destroy every mosque, erase it from the face of the earth.. In other words no, I don't respect them or their cult..

So if your beliefs are to kill those who are Christian, LGBT, reject sharia law or are apostate, then its morally right? The Nazis, Japs and Russkies fought for their beliefs too.
Fighting for your belief is no benchmark of credibility if the belief is morally bankrupt.

I can agree with this.


Bears get a pass from me, unless they threaten my family or our stuff.

Same for Muslims, I'm pretty well live and let live, but I've no respect for chickenchit animals that blow up innocent folks or shoot em like ducks in a barrel

then I'm more live and let die

In short I think Mittenman is saying the scumbags have balls.
And I agree they do have balls -imagine walking into another country and start demanding housing etc. ---everything needed to live .
Then let them know you plan on changing their country to fit your beliefs and your beliefs include killing them -raping/enslaving their children and taking over their country lock/stock/&barrel..

That takes a crazy or big ballz SOB to even think about doing it.
I DESPISE THEM!

AHLI AKBAR [bleep]#$%ERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I respect that fact that want to kill me and take my little girls as sex slaves.

What you respect is individual traits such as courage, loyalty, and self sacrifice. Yes some are dedicated, but they are dedicated to Evil.

Beware.

My daughter just got back from WV on a church sponsored relief effort for the floods.

Of the first people they stopped to help, the guy came out of his muck filled house and asked, "Where's the Muslims?"

Should we at The Campfire respect Muslim ideology?

Not unless it's owned by them.

I ain't got it in me...............

MM

I'll just note that the sorely DELUDED individual that is so far the WINNER of stupidest thread title of the year is laying pretty damned low.

My only question / comment:

WTF is WRONG with you, "MittenMan"?"

This POS thread needs to fade away.



GTC

I envy your diplomacy / courtesy sometimes, Mister.

GTC

You are as full of it as a Christmas turkey. From what I hear there are at least a billion Muzzies. And yet we hear of scores, not even hundreds, of committed warriors.

As far as Americans doing something, we can only vote or run for office. We are civilized and do not blow up others with whom we disagree.

Fahq Muzz and their ideology. The only thing they deserve is to be dozed over in a trench or incinerated where they stand..

Its coming fella's, just like god said it would, only this time its not going to be Christians killing each other, this holy war has already started and the muzzie's are but just one enemy, just wait till the peaceful muzzie's figure they have the upper hand, then lookout.

It's a death-cult and muslims have a zeal to deal out death in the form of stoning/beheading/etc. and mutilate and torture others and generally spill blood on a whim. Their successive generations of inbreeding and high numbers of children with birth defects is nothing to brag about, either. No, no respect given to those heathen infidels.

The Koran is the book of the slave master. How can Slaves and Slave Masters, co exist in the American constitutional Republic? Simply put it can not. Muslims are not in America to assimilate into American society. They are driven here by their slave master to destabilize and eventually spread the caliphate to American soil. Do you want that? If so I suggest you move to Syria ASAP. It will better fit your temperament, the slave temperament.

Good, keep ignoring me and we will get along fine.

Just don't use 'pretend ignore'.

The problem with that is not every 'muslim' is a devout practicing nutcase muslim...the same as not every 'christian' is a devout practicing nutcase Christian.

Organised religion is the same everywhere in that it is all about controlling others, and those invested in that control cannot stand to see others getting along without them.

And just to make it plain, I do not want to kill any but I do want any that cannot live quietly and assimilate into the West packed up and shipped to the nearest muslim enclave.

Any that attempt terrorism I want shot and forgotten...not gaoled, any that espouse terrorism I want shot and forgotten...and that goes for Christian nuts, political nuts, and any other nut that wants to use violence to get his own way.

I want a ban on all new muslim immigration, and I want a ban on the importation of those bastard black African c nts into my country.

In Australia I want an 'Australians first' national policy...in America I want an 'Americans first' policy...and the same goes for France and Great Britain.


Hopefully my vote in the Federal election today will help us down that path.

Respect it for what it is: a formidable death cult with very large membership.

You'll also want to disregard those who don't have the stomach for the ruthless destruction of it's adherents. You don't get rid of bugs by just eliminating the adult males. You use something that doesn't discriminate.

Arabs decided they needed one of theirs to take the place of jewish born Jesus. So, they made up the koran with their war lord muhammad in Jesus's place. For example, Jesus wasn't resurrected near Jerusalem, but their war lord muhammad was. They want to be like their prophet who killed.

I'm not recognizing much to respect or believe from a religion based on a murdering false prophet.

There you go, that too.

Their Holy Man married his 6 year old niece.This is the best they have?They should be gone from the planet.