On Friday, July 22, just as members of his party were gathering in Philadelphia to coronate Hillary Clinton as their presidential nominee, the Obama Administration once again released a sweeping gun control measure by executive fiat. This time the bad news came via the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC), which is primarily responsible for administering the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) and its implementing rules, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). The upshot is that DDTC is labeling commercial gunsmiths as “manufacturers” for performing relatively simple work such as threading a barrel or fabricating a small custom part for an older firearm. Under the AECA, “manufacturers” are required to register with DDTC at significant expense or risk onerous criminal penalties.

Link https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...on-releases-latest-executive-gun-control

This is what's covered. If you do any of the following and have an FFL --

.
Registration Required
–
Manufacturing:
In response to questions from persons engaged
in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that
ITAR
registration is
required
because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common
meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes
:
a)
Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improv
e the capability
of assembled or repaired firearms;
b)
Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
c)
The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks,
cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppresso
rs);
d)
The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or
reloading of ammunition;
e)
The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake
installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capa
bility;
f)
Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
g)
Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
h)
Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel

And registering with State will cost you 2250 a YEAR.
This is crap, John Kerry has to be all over this.

Not Constitutional! The Supreems will smack it down.

Ignore it. Go to jail. Remember everyone's names. Get out of jail. Get real justice.

Tag

Wanting this to be true.. but not sure I can see how it would be unconstitutional.

Question: I'm wondering if this is actually aimed at those who are finishing up 80% lowers? Wouldn't that make somebody who finishes one by drilling it out an unregistered manufacturer?

Why I'm wondering if this isn't a way to ban the personal mfr'ing of guns.. who'll do it (legally) if there's a $2,250 fee?

You could be right about the 80% or "ghost guns", but it could also effect merely something similar as a re-barrel that could be considered an enhancement of function. Also how could you thread a barrel for a suppressor if its an enhancement?

I do not see anything listed on ATF's website concerning this? Has it gone into effect?

Would it be the first time BamBam did something without telling anyone who needs to know?

May have nothing to do with ATF.

Go to the NRA story and hit the links. I found something else in the federal CFR 22 Part 121.1

This is all the stuff that is covered by "defense articles" under the regulations. It's every smokeless firearm. This is a huge grab....as follows:

Category I - Firearms, Close Assault Weapons and Combat Shotguns

* (a) Nonautomatic and semi-automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive (12.7 mm).

* (b) Fully automatic firearms to .50 caliber inclusive (12.7 mm).

* (c) Firearms or other weapons (e.g. insurgency-counterinsurgency, close assault weapons systems) having a special military application regardless of caliber.

* (d) Combat shotguns. This includes any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches.

* (e) Silencers, mufflers, sound and flash suppressors for the articles in (a) through (d) of this category and their specifically designed, modified or adapted components and parts.

(f) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications (See category XII(c) for controls on night sighting devices.)

* (g) Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech mechanisms for the articles in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this category.

(h) Components, parts, accessories and attachments for the articles in paragraphs (a) through (g) of this category.

(i) Technical data (as defined in § 120.10 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.9 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles described in paragraphs (a) through (h) of this category. Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles described elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

(j) The following interpretations explain and amplify the terms used in this category and throughout this subchapter:

(1) A firearm is a weapon not over .50 caliber (12.7 mm) which is designed to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or which may be readily converted to do so.

(2) A rifle is a shoulder firearm which can discharge a bullet through a rifled barrel 16 inches or longer.

(3) A carbine is a lightweight shoulder firearm with a barrel under 16 inches in length.

(4) A pistol is a hand-operated firearm having a chamber integral with or permanently aligned with the bore.

(5) A revolver is a hand-operated firearm with a revolving cylinder containing chambers for individual cartridges.

(6) A submachine gun, “machine pistol” or “machine gun” is a firearm originally designed to fire, or capable of being fired, fully automatically by a single pull of the trigger.
Note:

This coverage by the U.S. Munitions List in paragraphs (a) through (i) of this category excludes any non-combat shotgun with a barrel length of 18 inches or longer, BB, pellet, and muzzle loading (black powder) firearms. This category does not cover riflescopes and sighting devices that are not manufactured to military specifications. It also excludes accessories and attachments (e.g., belts, slings, after market rubber grips, cleaning kits) for firearms that do not enhance the usefulness, effectiveness, or capabilities of the firearm, components and parts. The Department of Commerce regulates the export of such items. See the Export Administration Regulations (15 CFR parts 730-799). In addition, license exemptions for the items in this category are available in various parts of this subchapter (e.g., §§ 123.17, 123.18 and 125.4).


Got that, kids? If you touch a lathe or file to anything and you're an FFL, that three years at 200 bucks is now over seven grand after you've paid off John Kerry.

Sir, Thank you.

The more I thought about it, it seemed like an end around play. Not sure if congress has control over those agencies.

Eff him and the horse he rode in on...

This'll be litigated out of existence post-haste..

Just what do they mean by "defense article " ?

When they visited my shop years ago they said i needed another license if i bought what someone wanted done to their rifle,if that person bought the same stuff it was ok.

I told them when they got back to look it up and if i needed to get another they could have the one i have now.
Didn't make sense to me.

Yeah but how long does post-haste take ?


Mike

Pursuant to 22 USCS § 2403 (d) [Title 22. Foreign Relations And Intercourse; Chapter 32. Foreign Assistance; General And Administrative Provisions; Miscellaneous Provisions], the term Defense article includes--

“(1) any weapon, weapons system, munition, aircraft, vessel, boat, or other implement of war;

(2) any property, installation, commodity, material, equipment, supply, or goods used for the purposes of furnishing military assistance;

(3) any machinery, facility, tool, material, supply, or other item necessary for the manufacture, production, processing, repair, servicing, storage, construction, transportation, operation, or use of any article listed in this subsection; or

(4) any component or part of any article listed in this subsection; but shall not include merchant vessels or, as defined by the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended (42 U.S.C. 2011), source material, (except uranium depleted in the isotope 235 which is incorporated in defense articles solely to take advantage of high density or pyrophoric characteristics unrelated to radioactivity) byproduct material, special nuclear material, production facilities, utilization facilities, or atomic weapons or articles involving Restricted Data.”

Thanks for that.
At least i don't have to worry about war stuff around here,YET.

Sir, Do you really believe that they are going to let that definition stop them?

Their definitions are the very weapons the 2nd speaks of. The left refers to deer hunters and duck hunters weapons. The 2nd amendment makes no such distinction.

this bs is all part of the continuing globalization stuff that's been going on nearly forever.

back under the reigh of terror of johnson, there was talk of gun controls. here we are a few decades later, and the noose begins to tighten.

i'm surprised that more folks don't support it, given the growth of the mega-cities that are beginning to rule the world.

why would an urbanite need a gun for heaven's sakes? we country folks use them as a tool. some folks use them as a sporting instrument. but, city folks have the police to protect them all over the world, not just in the usa.

all the monarchs from day one wants the citenzry to be unarmed for a variety of reasons. for one, it's more easy to extract taxes. a second one is that it discourages inconvenient up-risings. most the of world has already succumbed to being slaves of the elitists. we americans appear to be close behind.

i lost my sovereign rights under johnson's reign. most folks applauded. let'em wake up and eat crow. it'll be good protein to strengthen themselves.

As I read it, in "(1)", an item only needs to fit one of those categories. That's why the use the word "or" at the end.

So every "weapon" is by definition a defense article.

let the World Court over in the Hague fight it out. a good opportunity for lawyers who sell their services for a fee.

what does "Sharia" Law say about gun ownership by the private, tax-paying individuals? anyone know for sure?

straight from the UN.

ITAR has legitimate use, and I can see what they're trying to do. This is all about sniper rifles and .50 BMG rifles, and keeping them out of the hands of the undesirables. But the way it's worded it wraps up basically any and all gunsmithing in with it, and they don't seem to care. I wonder if the NRA has any pull on this one, other wise it's another $2,200.00 tax, and a bunch of unnecessary paperwork for nothing. Messed up thing to do.

yeah, a Fusion is occurring. and it's happening at breath taking speed.

the un represents 7 billion people more or less. the us represents 300 million people more or less.

who can see the dilemma that we face? ok, so not everybody is blind.

So every lathe, mill, broach and screwdriver is now a defence article.

I'm a long way from untangling what ITAR really says, but from a quick skim, I gather that ITAR only regulates items in international trade. There is no constitutional right to engage in international trade, so the regulations can be pretty tight.

If that's correct, your local gunsmith does not need to register or pay the fee unless he/she is doing work that will be shipped to another country. So, undoubtedly, the major gun manufacturers will want to register so they can export. But someone threading a barrel for the local trade? I don't think so.

I'll keep researching and post anything useful that I find.

the string is getting threaded through the bag, loosely at first. then it'll begin to tighten at rapid speed, to capture the prey inside the sack.

the world no longer wants the local people to own guns. they don't think the locals are capable of being responsible in the greater world in which they find themselves.

[quote=GunGeek I wonder if the NRA has any pull on this one, other wise it's another $2,200.00 tax, and a bunch of unnecessary paperwork for nothing. Messed up thing to do. [/quote]

If the legislature doesn't vote on a tax can it legally be imposed on the people? Would it not fall into the realm of taxation without representation? Or are we so far down the road that they don't care and will do it anyway? In your face.
I would seem that Congress should be able to contest executive orders that fall outside of law. Anyone?

Just read your thread Denton. I guess we disregard this issue if not doing international business but the tax is still problematic to me without going through congress. I may be wrong headed on this.

It would mean few independent gunsmiths. The regulations would force services to consolidate to handle the increased costs and regulations that "manufacturers" have to abide by.

I would see larger gunsmithing companies opening up where you have to send in your firearm rather than walk it in to the friendly neighborhood gunsmith.

oh, we were represented alright. we elected obama, and he appointed the sec of state. and he agreed to sign on, representing us. can't we see how simple it all is when the loyal opposition wants to do away with private gun ownership. look at england, canada, austrailia, and they're our close kin. and france is distant kin.

as members of the un we abide by their decrees, or we don't?

Guess I'll just have to be the stick that gets poked in the eye of the world view. I don't care what the world thinks about my gun rights.

Exactly.

That's how I read it.



Dave

The gunsmithing community has gone down that road. It applies to ANY firearm that could somehow find it's way outside the US...which means ANY firearm. It's bullsheitt, but that's how it is.

Like the "Fast and Furious" Obama guns. Is this what he is trying to prevent?

I will keep on building my own rifles. puck them

i have thought for some time the local 'smiths have gotten a little pricey for the local commoners. of course, i could be wrong.

i don't want to see more regulation of the industry. it almost always has the effect of increasing consumer pricing.

I don't know too many full time gunsmiths that would be put out of business by a $2,250 fee. That's just a $1/hour increase or so in hourly work, and that's if they are a 1 man shop. You really going to stop using your favorite gunsmith if they tack on a $1 or $1.50 per hour increase?

What this seems to directly attack is non-gunsmiths since it specifically says that even ONE instance puts you in violation of the law. Finish one 80% lower, d&t one receiver, put on a different stock to increase accuracy, heck.. bedding may count since that's intended to increase accuracy.

And whether you export or not doesn't matter according to that article.

Seriously unenforceable... but seriously bad if the points in the article are true.

Nope, wouldnt effect me, but could this apply to a person running a dillon producing 1000 rounds or more per month or year?

d)
The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or
reloading of ammunition;

Or could it be used to register who buys X amount of components?

It's not about the $2,200.00, and it's VERY enforceable if ATF is including it in their inspections; and they will be. Some ATF agents have already been enforcing ITAR (none of this is actually new BTW), and some haven't. We've been fighting this for at least 2 years now.

To the top.
Kids, this matters enough that everyone has to take it seriously.
Department of state gets a big check every year now. I know Kerry's junkets are expensive and unproductive, but this is asinine.

So, how big of a contribution are gunsmiths making to the crime rate? How many of the shoot-em-ups we've seen in recent months got their weapons from the local gunsmith or had them upgraded by the local gunsmith? How much will the local gunsmith have to add to the price of his work because of this? What happens to schools that teach gunsmithing?

This is not a solution in search of a problem, like most regulations. The problem, in the minds of those on the Left, is that Americans have guns. I didn't say they have too many guns. I said they have guns, and our traitorous leaders do not like that. We have a myriad of "common sense" gun laws now, but the politicians talk as though guns are completely unregulated. The jig is up. The Democrats want to eliminate firearms, all of them, from America. We all know it. Good luck with that.

A major fight is coming our way before the November election. Gun owners will be pushed to the wall. Martial law is on the horizon, and all bets will be off.

Steve.

You're assuming, (wrongly IMHO) that every hour a 'smith is in the shop is a billable hour.. Not so - not even close.. For small one-man shops like mine this would necessitate a rather significant increase in the hourly rate. Or, if enough business isn't there, closing for good.


But I was thinking - it mentions only if "increasing the accuracy" etc. ... Seems to me my customers' rifles are 'way too accurate' and they'll want me to open the groups a bit..

And just HOW is the ATF going to "know" what the initial accuracy of any specific rifle is anyway?? As you said Calhoun - this is unenforceable.

We need to send this little item in the OP to every Congressman we have and raise holy hell.. With any luck, once the AIC gets his azz out of the White House and we keep TFP out, maybe Trump will overturn a ton of these little regulations and let business perform again..

It is just the never ending "Creep" to punish the gun world... you don't see ITAR type stuff happening to computers, servers, small engine repair shops.

Honestly Scott if I didn't know better I would be thinking that is aimed at serious war preparation rather than just being annoying for civilian shooters and hunters.

Is there any doubt that we are are living under a dictatorship at this point?

In addition to appointing constructionalist judges, Trump needs to work to restore the balance between the branches of government. Instead of passing laws, Congress now empowers mini-dictators that create regulations with the stroke of a pen.

This election may well be the most important ever. If the fat bitch wins, we are well-and-truly f*cked.

If you stay home in November, you clearly just don't really care. If you squander your vote on a lost-cause candidate out of spite or to make a "statement", you're a fool.

Geez, are you you actually worried about 50 bmgs and "sniper rifles?"

WTF is wrong with them?

you don't see ITAR type stuff happening to computers, servers

Actually I think it can be used on them in some form.

§120.10 Technical data.

(a) Technical data means, for purposes of this subchapter:

(1) Information, other than software as defined in §120.10(a)(4), which is required for the design, development, production, manufacture, assembly, operation, repair, testing, maintenance or modification of defense articles. This includes information in the form of blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation.

(2) Classified information relating to defense articles and defense services on the U.S. Munitions List and 600-series items controlled by the Commerce Control List;

(3) Information covered by an invention secrecy order; or

(4) Software (see §120.45(f)) directly related to defense articles.

(b) The definition in paragraph (a) of this section does not include information concerning general scientific, mathematical, or engineering principles commonly taught in schools, colleges, and universities, or information in the public domain as defined in §120.11 of this subchapter or telemetry data as defined in note 3 to Category XV(f) of part 121 of this subchapter. It also does not include basic marketing information on function or purpose or general system descriptions of defense articles.

[58 FR 39283, July 22, 1993, as amended at 61 FR 48831, Sept. 17, 1996; 71 FR 20537, Apr. 21, 2006; 78 FR 22754, Apr. 16, 2013; 78 FR 61754, Oct. 3, 2013; 79 FR 61227, Oct. 10, 2014; 79 FR 27185, May 13, 2014]

§120.45 End-items, components, accessories, attachments, parts, firmware, software, systems, and equipment.


(e) Firmware and any related unique support tools (such as computers, linkers, editors, test case generators, diagnostic checkers, library of functions, and system test diagnostics) directly related to equipment or systems covered under any category of the U.S. Munitions List are considered as part of the end-item or component. Firmware includes but is not limited to circuits into which software has been programmed.


Link http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=86008bdffd1fb2e79cc5df41a180750a&node=22:1.0.1.13.57&rgn=div5#se22.1.120_110

Tag.

donsm70

Land of the free. GD

Not so much anymore.

It's what happens when we quit fighting for it.

Wish I had the sense to be a lawyer instead of a dumass plumber.

Scott, you've got it buddy.

1984 is here and doublespeak is the language of the day.

It means what WE say it means, when we want it to mean that.

Remember "Willy", depends on what the meaning of is is, right?


Geno

Denton,

from the NRA ILA article:

"The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article. Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements."

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...on-releases-latest-executive-gun-control


Geno

Grouchy letter sent off to Senators and Congresscritter.

so, who does the collecting of the revenue from the license fee, and where does it go? who is the beneficiary of the license revenue? do they have inspectors or what?

Gus, the intent of this is to concentrate the FFL population. All it will take is the annual inspection visit, and oh,you have a LATHE or you're improving the product, so where's your expensive State Department license for "defense articles?" Including Nightforce scopes or other whatnot?
Oh, you don't have one? Here comes the State Department roving SWAT team....or the IRS inspectors.
Shrink the number of FFLs, then ATF gets to concentrate on those remaining.

It is just one piece of the ever-expanding gun control agenda of the Democraps. Do you remember last year when the regime (through the State and Commerce Departments) came up with these asinine convoluted rules that required hunters who wished to take their rifles out of the country on a foreign hunt to register the rifles and obtain what basically amounted to an "export license" in order to legally take their rifles out of the country? Probably not, unless you hunt in Africa. The point is: The bastards keep probing and pushing and probing ... just see to see how far they can go, how much they can get away with, and whether there will be any public out-cry, and if so, how much. Luckily, with the hunting rifle exportation rules, the out-cry was swift and massive and those rules were schidt-canned. My hunch is that there will not be the same swift and massive out-cry over this ...BUT THERE SHOULD BE. This is just another component of the Democraps' "gun-grab."

The federales need to quit fuggin' around.

If they want them, they need to start coming door to door for them.

Surprise!

In ancient Israel, the Philistines kept the Jews under control with a weapons ban. They also banned blacksmiths because blacksmiths could forge weapons.

At the same time, when the Jews needed work on their farming tools they had to take them to the Philistines who would charge them exorbitant prices for the work.

Sound familiar?

I Samuel, 13:19-23: Not a blacksmith could be found in the whole land of Israel, because the Philistines had said, “Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears!”

They have plenty of practice...been doing it since 9/11.

There is nothing new under the sun. Where's the "like" button for this?

Steve.

This matter was the basis for the Declaration of Independence and was settled through a Revolutionary War by the People. It was not a Constitutional matter litigated in Federal courts.

Tyrants don't respect or abide the Law, or its processes and artifacts.

I see this something like a tax. You all have heard of ObamaCare? The same thing and the Supremes are going to see it Mr. Obama's way.

This is dangerous stuff.

kwg

any licensing fee is a tax by another name.

to add, word of some is that the Hebrews wandered in the desert for 40 years because the Philistines inhabited and controlled the coastal areas. they had ties with the Greeks for "high quality " weapons. they were able to force the Hebrews to by-pass their lands and thus they wound up following a desert path to the holy land.

“In the first 100 days, we’re going to knock the hell out of Obamacare,” Trump declared to his audience’s approval. “You know the great thing about executive orders is that I don’t have to go back to Congress. I just sit down… and I will be unsigning many, maybe not all. Maybe there’s a couple of good ones [Obama policies], I don’t know, I doubt it.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/03/t...s-to-unsign-obamas-agenda/#ixzz4G10wuZJH

It keeps going back to the one thing Trump can do that could save our country more than anything else. Four constitutionalist SC Justices.

Loading the SC with a majority of justices that will follow the Constitution as it was meant to be not as how they want it to be would make a huge difference.

This is not about taxes. This is about Liberty and the will of our People to remain free. This act is on par with the despotism of George III.

We don't seem to recognize its importance because we have become dependent on others to assert the rights that solely rest with We, the People.

This is indeed, "dangerous stuff," if we intend to remain free citizens of a Constitutional Republic.

None. Eff the AIC and his EOs.

Well, hell. This puts me in a bit of a spot, I've got a custom rifle being put together right now. My riflesmith told me originally that he considered it a "repair job" since I sent him a Mauser action. We'll see how that goes, he's on vacation right now and won't be available to discuss this until next week.

Heck, I've got a 60 year old receiver with a barrel beside it because the gunsmith passed away before he could cut the neck and throat. Now getting a gunsmith to cut the neck and throat and mount the barrel becomes an ITAR regulated activity.

Idiocy of the highest order, and likely to be struck down in court if Congress doesn't overturn it before that.

It is time to clean two handguns. Can I still do it or do I have to send them back to the manufacture?

I just aired my grievance over this nonsense to my Republican congresscritter, most likely to no avail. None of his office staff had a clue what I was talking about even after I gave them Swifty52's summary of the problem in the first post above (including all the State Dept. alphabet mumbo-jumbo). We're screwed.

I predict the other shoe dropping to be a restriction/ban on reloading equipment and powder/bullets/brass/primers. Do all of you have your reloading supplies up to date??

ITAR is a strange beast. Lots of prosecutions for transmitted data on items that seem to have no relevance to anything military, yet somewhere , they have been used, and as such, get classified. Companies have whole depts set up, to monitor this now, even e-mailing a drawing to a subsidiary branch in another country. Granted, there are many legit prosecutions, but , some are kinda off the wall though, electrical items are quite an eye opener.
I can see where the US Gov't may try to impinge on reloaders & shooters thru a backdoor type of bureaucratic means. ITAR is fairly vaguely worded in order to provide that means, if they should so desire to indulge themselves.

So what you are saying is that the Hiltlistines and Obamastines are trying to take away our guns?

IIRC some D guy smacked them fools up side the head with a rock?

But nobody had a lick of faith in that D guy before he did his rock chucking.

I agree with your point Wildcatter. Just like Obama care. Basically the Supremes told us "you are slaves, get used to it"

kwg

That does not match the Biblical accout as to why the Hebrews wandered in the desert for 40 years.

Courts, maybe - but that'll take years.

Congress? Hah! Why, THAT would take BALLS!

And a spine...they've proven they have neither.

If I had to guess, I would say this will get tied up with no resolution and eventually go to the Supreme Court for decision. This will likely end up boiling down to who is appointed in Scalia's place. Which again, will be hugely dependent on whether Hitlery or Trump gets the presidency.

For any gun enthusiast, hunter, sportsman, etc. out there that thinks they won't vote because their candidate didn't get the nomination, or they don't agree 100% with Trump, or they want to "make a statement" and vote third party--WAKE UP!

Throwing your vote away on stupid BS like that is essentially throwing your voice away on future cases of this nature and magnitude.

The 2nd and SCOTUS are on the ballot this November and I would rather take Trump's SCOTUS nominee over than anything Hitlery conjures up.

Seems ITD Custom guns is no longer accepting work due to ITAR.
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11358552/Re:_No_more_IT&D#Post11358552
According to this thread.
How many more will follow.

Over the weekend I was competing in a .22 rimfire benchrest match and spoke to my gunsmith who is in the top 3 of rimfire benchrest gunsmiths in the country. He told me that he is going to stop doing any gunsmithing and will relinquish his license due to ITAR and the cost of the mfg license. This guy has smithed rifles that have won National Championships and who have set world records. He is the undisputed top sporter class gunsmith in the world. This will be a great loss to the rimfire benchrest community.

Is he going to do anything else about it or just roll over?

Guess What? At least someone in Washington is doing something to try and halt this madness. See:

http://www.nssfblog.com/ddtc-says-guidance-is-not-new-but-clarification/

He's retired from his primary career and he just doesn't do enough work to be able to absorb the cost of the license. He also can't afford a big fine nor does he want to spend his remaining years in prison. The guys who pump out large volume of guns will be able to absorb the cost or just raise their prices a little, the small volume, super high quality smiths who do small niche work like rimfire benchrest, will either have to drastically increase their prices or just go away.

Sign the petition. Don't know if it will do any good but it can't hurt.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar

So far, nothing from the ATF or State re: this BS. Until and unless I get something in writing I'm going to ignore that AIC and his directives.. Eff him.

Me too, I have a hard document from ATF stating what is and what is not manufacturing.

tag

Got an email from NSSF today. It says Rep. Collin Peterson has come up with a bill H. Res. 829 for ECR Reform that would do away with this B.S. and put it back like it was.

Just to clarify, this mess was initiated under Bill Clinton, was strengthened and put into operation under two terms of GW Bush. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton took the hand-off from GW and ran with it. The whole mess is in the hands of the bureaucrats now and I doubt it will ever be repealed; especially when the country is looking forward to at least four years of Hillary. The NRA should have jumped on this eighteen years ago. I think everyone just hoped it would go away but that's not how things work in the world of government. GD

Looks like some folks sent a letter to horseface Kerry.

GOP Senators to Block State Department’s Backdoor Gun Control

They shoulda sent a feed bag full of oats along with it..

Has anyone heard anything new on this issue? As of September 1st, 28 Senators (22 R and 6 D) and 116 Congressmen (all R) have signed letters to Kerry urging him to rescind the July guidance.

I'm about to write to the 3 VA Congressmen who signed it and ask them if Kerry has even acknowledged the letters, which I doubt, and what they are going to do about it.

Even if Kerry rescinds it, Hillary will put it back in place.

Only hope is that Hillary doesn't get elected or that she never gets a Justice seated.

And what do you think are the current, real odds of that????????????

MM

I'm not allowed to state my opinions on this website since it would cause thousands of people here to vote for Hillary and let her win the election.

Lawyers gonna make some money.