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Idiocy of the highest order, and likely to be struck down in court if Congress doesn't overturn it before that.
Courts, maybe - but that'll take years. Congress? Hah! Why, THAT would take BALLS!
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Pro-Constitution.
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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Congress? Hah! Why, THAT would take BALLS! And a spine...they've proven they have neither. If I had to guess, I would say this will get tied up with no resolution and eventually go to the Supreme Court for decision. This will likely end up boiling down to who is appointed in Scalia's place. Which again, will be hugely dependent on whether Hitlery or Trump gets the presidency. For any gun enthusiast, hunter, sportsman, etc. out there that thinks they won't vote because their candidate didn't get the nomination, or they don't agree 100% with Trump, or they want to "make a statement" and vote third party-- WAKE UP! Throwing your vote away on stupid BS like that is essentially throwing your voice away on future cases of this nature and magnitude. The 2nd and SCOTUS are on the ballot this November and I would rather take Trump's SCOTUS nominee over than anything Hitlery conjures up.
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 Seems ITD Custom guns is no longer accepting work due to ITAR. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11358552/Re:_No_more_IT&D#Post11358552 According to this thread. How many more will follow.
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Over the weekend I was competing in a .22 rimfire benchrest match and spoke to my gunsmith who is in the top 3 of rimfire benchrest gunsmiths in the country. He told me that he is going to stop doing any gunsmithing and will relinquish his license due to ITAR and the cost of the mfg license. This guy has smithed rifles that have won National Championships and who have set world records. He is the undisputed top sporter class gunsmith in the world. This will be a great loss to the rimfire benchrest community.
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Over the weekend I was competing in a .22 rimfire benchrest match and spoke to my gunsmith who is in the top 3 of rimfire benchrest gunsmiths in the country. He told me that he is going to stop doing any gunsmithing and will relinquish his license due to ITAR and the cost of the mfg license. This guy has smithed rifles that have won National Championships and who have set world records. He is the undisputed top sporter class gunsmith in the world. This will be a great loss to the rimfire benchrest community. Is he going to do anything else about it or just roll over?
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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Over the weekend I was competing in a .22 rimfire benchrest match and spoke to my gunsmith who is in the top 3 of rimfire benchrest gunsmiths in the country. He told me that he is going to stop doing any gunsmithing and will relinquish his license due to ITAR and the cost of the mfg license. This guy has smithed rifles that have won National Championships and who have set world records. He is the undisputed top sporter class gunsmith in the world. This will be a great loss to the rimfire benchrest community. Is he going to do anything else about it or just roll over? He's retired from his primary career and he just doesn't do enough work to be able to absorb the cost of the license. He also can't afford a big fine nor does he want to spend his remaining years in prison. The guys who pump out large volume of guns will be able to absorb the cost or just raise their prices a little, the small volume, super high quality smiths who do small niche work like rimfire benchrest, will either have to drastically increase their prices or just go away.
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So far, nothing from the ATF or State re: this BS. Until and unless I get something in writing I'm going to ignore that AIC and his directives.. Eff him.
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
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LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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Me too, I have a hard document from ATF stating what is and what is not manufacturing.
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Thank You Lord for another day,Help my Brother along the way
When you mature,you realize hospitals and schools are businesses,and the Beatles were geniuses
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Got an email from NSSF today. It says Rep. Collin Peterson has come up with a bill H. Res. 829 for ECR Reform that would do away with this B.S. and put it back like it was.
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Just to clarify, this mess was initiated under Bill Clinton, was strengthened and put into operation under two terms of GW Bush. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton took the hand-off from GW and ran with it. The whole mess is in the hands of the bureaucrats now and I doubt it will ever be repealed; especially when the country is looking forward to at least four years of Hillary. The NRA should have jumped on this eighteen years ago. I think everyone just hoped it would go away but that's not how things work in the world of government. GD
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They shoulda sent a feed bag full of oats along with it..
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
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Has anyone heard anything new on this issue? As of September 1st, 28 Senators (22 R and 6 D) and 116 Congressmen (all R) have signed letters to Kerry urging him to rescind the July guidance.
I'm about to write to the 3 VA Congressmen who signed it and ask them if Kerry has even acknowledged the letters, which I doubt, and what they are going to do about it.
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Even if Kerry rescinds it, Hillary will put it back in place.
Only hope is that Hillary doesn't get elected or that she never gets a Justice seated.
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Only hope is that Hillary doesn't get elected or that she never gets a Justice seated.
And what do you think are the current, real odds of that???????????? MM
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Only hope is that Hillary doesn't get elected or that she never gets a Justice seated. And what do you think are the current, real odds of that???????????? MM I'm not allowed to state my opinions on this website since it would cause thousands of people here to vote for Hillary and let her win the election.
“ The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
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Lawyers gonna make some money.
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