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other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
That got a lot of people off the couch
That's true

I also think that BLM played a huge role in motivating white America to get behind Trump - especially when he took them on and declared himself the law and order candidate.
There were many compelling people and events that led to a Trump win.
I guess the evil of both clintons was a driving force, and maybe the guy that most effectively put a hole in the dam was Trey Gowdy. He opened up the server, and paved the way for Assange. Again Trey was only important because the clintons and foundation was so corrupt. I think he is still playing a role in shaping the future because they fear Trey and the truth.
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.


Very good point!!!!!!!
Your probably right about the roll his death played.
I see Trump's victory as the first battle in a bloodless second revolution. Like the first, this one is driven by many different things and people.
When you get down to brass tacks, you find as many people who voted against HiLIARy as those of us who really support Trump. HiLIARy is her own worst enemy in that her greed and lust for power and corruption are plainly visible. The democrats would've had to dig up Stalin or Hitler to have gotten a worse candidate! crazy
Ben Franklin was once asked who he thought had best supported the Colonials in the revolutionary war. His reply was King George III. I submit the same for the dark princess!
7mm
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.


Agreed. I know people who vocally and energetically supported Trump because "We can't lose the SCOTUS," who a year ago barely knew what the SCOTUS was or did.
Well I thought you were going to say BHO, but I agree that Scalia's a good answer.
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered.


The one person most responsible for Trump's victory...

My guess would have been Hillary Clinton, but you make an excellent point.
Excellent point. I still believe he was killed. So it kinda blew up in Obama's face.
Originally Posted by natman
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered.


The one person most responsible for Trump's victory...

My guess would have been Hillary Clinton, but you make an excellent point.


Gold.
There are several theories about the justice was killed to create a vacancy. Maybe some truth behind the theories.
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.


Good point. But if you're going to tag the one person most responsible for Trump's victory, that clearly goes to Hillary Clinton.
It might make more sense if one of the justices were to be killed for it to have been the crazy old bat Bader-Ginsburg. Anticipating what a nighmare Clinton would've made if she had the opportunity to make Supreme Court appointments. Voters in general and especially those who value their 2nd Amendment rights combined to defeat Hillary.
Trump would not be the next president if not for Kellyanne Conway.
if there is a woman in politics, you better believe Bowsinger has a boner for her and is singing her praises on here
Originally Posted by KFWA
if there is a woman in politics, you better believe Bowsinger has a boner for her and is singing her praises on here


HEY STUPID! I just fought the Stop Clinton Fight.
The one person responsible for Trumps election is Barak Obama himself.

And that is the funniest part.
Beside the man himself, that thing that has been in the White House for the last eight years is the one person most responsible for high gun sales, and the Trump presidency.
It wasn't the biggest factor but whoever had a hold of Comey's nuts and forced him to announce the "reopening" of the email investigation was the nail in the coffin. I'd almost wager that it was someone high up in the Uncle Fester fan club. They likely made him aware earlier and savored it until they thought the timing was right for the apex effect. Whoever they were they had a lot of stroke because he didn't wriggle free.
The election was simply an indictment of Obama. When Ford announced they were moving all small car production to Mexico, the White house was silent, dead silent yet let a transgender boy announce he wants to use the girls bathroom, Obama is all over it like it was WWIII. Priorities, priorities and more priorities. The unemployed auto worker and the laid-coal miner have finally said enough is enough.
There's no single person MORE responsible than BHO himself. No. 2 is Hillary Clinton (and Bill can be lumped in). I'd wager Comey is #3. Scalia probably #4.

This election was so close in terms of popular vote. We didn't vote for a conservative, we voted against liberal marxism. We voted for the people. We voted for America.

We didn't have record turnout. We were down 10M votes or so from peak.

Of course Trump's election team helped. America voted against Hillary Clinton. That's what it comes down to, and lost the popular vote. I thought T (can we call him Mr. T?) would get 3% or more of the popular vote. Too many on our side stayed home snorting Midol, IMO.
Originally Posted by bigfish9684
There's no single person MORE responsible than BHO himself. No. 2 is Hillary Clinton (and Bill can be lumped in). I'd wager Comey is #3. Scalia probably #4.

This election was so close in terms of popular vote. We didn't vote for a conservative, we voted against liberal marxism. We voted for the people. We voted for America.

We didn't have record turnout. We were down 10M votes or so from peak.

Of course Trump's election team helped. America voted against Hillary Clinton. That's what it comes down to, and lost the popular vote. I thought T (can we call him Mr. T?) would get 3% or more of the popular vote. Too many on our side stayed home snorting Midol, IMO.


You are 100% spot on. Obama went all in with his progressive agenda and ultra liberal policies. We as conservatives were convinced that these policies would never work in the real world for the United States. The only thing was we didn't have empirical proof until now.

Nope!

Here's the guy that put the 'quietus' on the witch!

He never had voted before.....lives in the boondocks! Quiet guy...his entire family same way! Pays his bills, goes to work every day, reads his bible, bothers nobody, hunts....owns a shotgun and a rifle and he heard from his neighbor that some lady in the race for President of the United States has declared that she wants to stop him from shooting his rifle and hunting the deer on his place! So...he tells his wife..."I think I'm gonna go register to vote so why don't you go with me since we've never done this before...I might need a little help!" He calls his grown children and says...."I'm going to vote this time and I want you to vote for this fellow called TRUMP!"

He's the guy.....that screwed over the witch!! No doubt about it!!
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.


I'd put him at #2 behind Assange.
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.


Excellent post.

The fence-sitters I know were motivated by the issue of SCOTUS appointments and how it would shape the country for at least 25-30 years, or possibly for the entire foreseeable future beyond that.
I think that BHO's pronouncement that Trump was unfit to be POTUS was a big plus for Trump. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You'd think that the least fit POTUS of all time would hope that someone worse would get elected so that people would more quickly forget that the U.S. slipped toward mediocrity while he struggled to make a decision. BHO wasn't smart enough to listen to Chuck Hagel when Hagel told him that if he drew a line in the sand, he'd have to back his words with actions or he'd lose all credibility. BHO wouldn't back his words in Syria, so Hagel told BHO to find a new SecDef.
Oky. My own opinion is that we are over thinking about the trump. He will not change anything or he will not do what he told us before the election. Trump earlier history and behavior were not good and thus, we were expecting Hilary easily win the election.
If Hitlery wasn't such a dishonest piece of hateful s.hit, she may have won.
I think Trump was the ultimate FU candidate.
Other than Scalia, I think Pence is the one that put him over the top.
I originally wanted Newt as his VP pick but I sure am happy about it being Pence. I am really impressed with him.
Originally Posted by cra1948
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered. As wishy-washy as Mitch McConnell can be at times, he deserves credit for stonewalling the confirmation of Obama's nominee and allowing Scalia's vacancy to remain a campaign issue. The Lord works in mysterious ways.


Agreed. I know people who vocally and energetically supported Trump because "We can't lose the SCOTUS," who a year ago barely knew what the SCOTUS was or did.


I'm going to take a big leap but I bet, since you are on this site, that you had a lot to do with bringing your formerly ignorant friends up to speed.
Thank you for spreading the word.
Welcome to the fight.
The point about Justice Scalia is a good take, but it seems difficult to see any single factor as determinant or even out front. From this little corner it just looks like "too much" was the theme.

Too much overly aggressive action and "over the top" utterances (orders from above) by Obama for 7 years;
too much arrogance/expectation/criminal action by the Clinton group;
too much at stake with regard to the Supreme Court, corruption in our government and common decency for our country;
too much of Trump's willingness and persistence in saying what needs to be said and challenging what needs to be challenged - beyond control by the big media;
etc.,
etc.

We've seen a sea change in the election. Will we see the same in the conduct of our governance and what we have the common sense and courage to support? Or will that also be "too much"?
Good point on Scalia.

But the one person most responsible for Trump winning, was Trump.
He was not afraid to bring the message that the working class folks like you
and me have been waiting since the 80's to hear.

Pretty much it.
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Trump would not be the next president if not for Kellyanne Conway.


The fact remains... as bad as Obama and Hillary are, Trump was losing until KC came on board.
"Died" makes it sound like Justice Scalia was taken by the Lord in his sleep.

Read "Killing Patton." I think his end was more like Patton's, but this time with US agents as the perps.

I also think it had little to do with the 2nd Amendment, and a lot to do with a major Labor Union issue before the Court, and Justice Scalia would have certainly swung against labor. As it remains, the appeal was for labor, and a tied court had to let the appeal stand.

However, I agree, this election was about the next four seats on the SCOTUS, and that was the death knell for Hillary's aspirations for POTUS.
Originally Posted by BLOODYPANTYSNIFFER
Originally Posted by BLOODYPANTYSNIFFER
Trump would not be the next president if not for Kellyanne Conway.


The fact remains... as bad as Obama and Hillary are, Trump was losing until KC came on board.


Your nose is bloody, but you ain't bleeding... well your nose isn't.
Originally Posted by Pine_Tree
Well I thought you were going to say BHO, but I agree that Scalia's a good answer.


But you will have to admit the BHO has been one of the best salesmen for gun industry the country has seen in a long time. Cheers NC
Originally Posted by natman
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
other than Trump himself, may have been Antonin Scalia. If he had not died, there may have been just enough complacency to allow Hitlery to win. But with the Court in the balance, the people stood and delivered.

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The one person most responsible for Trump's victory...

My guess would have been Hillary Clinton, but you make an excellent point.


There is no doubt. If Justice Scalia's death was that important to most voters, Trump would not have been the nominee.
Originally Posted by northcountry
Originally Posted by Pine_Tree
Well I thought you were going to say BHO, but I agree that Scalia's a good answer.


But you will have to admit the BHO has been one of the best salesmen for gun industry the country has seen in a long time. Cheers NC


Obama was the reason that people were motivated. Clinton was the reason that Trump could succeed.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by northcountry
Originally Posted by Pine_Tree
Well I thought you were going to say BHO, but I agree that Scalia's a good answer.


But you will have to admit the BHO has been one of the best salesmen for gun industry the country has seen in a long time. Cheers NC


Obama was the reason that people were motivated. Clinton was the reason that Trump could succeed.


YUP!! In a huge way!! The man can sell guns and get others elected!!
Not a singular person, but the MSM was most responsible. Lots of americans were, and are fed up with their lies, and Biased reporting. They got a lot of people off the couch and out to vote.
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