What do you think?

Your brain.

The one you have with you.

Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc.

lots of folks do a great job concealing their brain

At the nexus of where Grey Man meets Grey Matter.

Noveske Diplomat

Probably about as close as they are going to get as far as covering all of the bases you listed.

And ugly enough you won't cry if it gets dropped into an evidence bag.

True dat............

Pen flares.

People do hysterical stuff when shot with one.

1911 for backup.

Like glove size, there is NO ideal concealed weapon to suit everyone. It is a very personal choice. And it can even change, over time.

Hi Power Detective.

This is the correct answer. If you are deterred from taking a concealed weapon with you, for whatever reason, that particular weapon is not "ideal." You have to find suitable weapons (or weapon) you always take with you under any circumstance. Those are the ideal concealable weapons.

Silent and deadly

Nothing wrong with owning the "Complete Line", from a quality manufacturer, single stack, compact, full size.

Whatever you can effectively conceal and shoot well.

For me, a Springfield XD45

suicide vest

Somehow I think you are speaking from experience

Chuck Norris leaping off a roof/tree limb/cloud onto my opponent.

After trying to subdue my opponent without violence, my dukes have been my most ideal concealment, after it all over its not who's right that matters, its who's left.

Depends on particular requirement at that time....it could be a knife or even compact ordnance
like a grenade,or even a simple garotting wire.

You didn't specify anything about a persons skill set, or if its for attack or defence or both, or if its an ordinary civilian situation ,
or it having to be legal, or it having to avoid collateral damage, or if the requirement is for it to be used in stealth, or if the user
even cares about his own survival,

If the only condition given is concealment, consider ALL options.

"Thoughless" is very fast, out to about 30'. It is a rather heavy blade and throws almost without trying, hence the name.
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This ^

I don't know why but this made me think of Maser. Did you guys see he's back on here?

More laws stating that people are not allowed to do bad things to me.

Why does it always have to be about color?

Depends on what your doing, for me most of the time it's a 1911, other times its a raven 25.

Michigan law on carrying a knife.....

"MCL § 750.226

§ 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226.

Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars."

I try to have with me, as big and as powerful, accurate and reliable piece as I can. Often this means tailoring your clothing to accommodate a specific hand gun.
Most of the time I have with me, a .45 Springfield XDS. Often though, it will be a CZ 75D PCR or a Glock 19, full sized 1911, Commander sized 1911, two inch barreled .38 S&W, three inch barreled .38 S&W, 4 inch barreled K frame .357, or.................
Well you get the picture.

A big dick

Blue tape.

not many are armed very well in this country

Many point to the Glock 19 fitting the bill, but I have that and a 17, and always opt for the 17 due to superior shooting characteristics. Perhaps counter-intuitively, I also find that it carries slightly more comfortably, due to spreading pressure against the skin over a slightly larger surface area, thus reducing pounds per square inch pressure. The 19 does, however, conceal slightly better, due to the slightly shorter butt frame, yielding two rounds less magazine capacity. The slide length difference means little in terms of concealability when carrying IWB, but it does represent a slight reduction in shootability for the 19 vs the 17 due to the shorter sight radius. The longer grip frame on the 17 is also superior for shooting vs the 19.

Which is why the Glock 43 occasionally gets the nod, but the 17 is my choice more than 99% of the time. I find I skip the 19 right over, though, between the the 43 and the 17. I guess if I could only have one, it might be the 19, due to it's more middle position between those two, however.

... I don't carry very often but when I do that's what it usually is.

Whatever I can conceal.

Runs various forms of 1911, snub 357, or various glocks up to the 20... to include a small 380 that ends up being with me all the time, regardless if I have something else or not.

Something you have, is better than something you left home.

I'd love to read that sworn statement.




Dave

I have found the single-stack polymer guns like the Shield and G43 to be a near perfect compromise of shoot-ability and conceal-ability. I don't shoot them any worse than a G19 sized pistol and the smaller profile makes them...smaller.



Dave

The guy in the pic just busted ass.

He wasn't referring to the knife.






Dave

Perhaps you don't carry often because the G19 doesn't suit you.




Dave

With my shirttail tucked in the only pistol that I can carry totally concealed is a North American Arms .22 Mag in a boot holster. With my shirttail out I carry a Glock 27 or a Smith & Wesson Airweight .38 SPL + P.

Glock 19 for me as my normal CCW. Sometimes a Keltec P3AT also.

If it existed, it would be the size and weight of an LCP at most, hit like a 10 gauge magnum at close range, and kick like a .22 short. Oh, and it would also be easy to grab when you need it, unlike the LCP.

Cue ball....in a sock!

So, if yer lawful in intent, yer good..

Does a Remington 7600 in 35 Whelen on a Whippet mount and 10 round mags count? It hides well under my trenchcoat.

For every day use, right now, my Ruger LCR in 357 MAG seems to do it for me. 3 rounds at 3 paces in 3 seconds? No problem. It's what's with me the most now.

However, I'm working on shaking out a Ruger SR9 for a backup.

Unless the arresting officer says different. Then you are voluntarily contributing to the Defense Lawyers' Support Fund. Sometimes it's just hard to read a mind.

Hammer

The OP did not set the perimeters. (Legal:vs: illegal / location/ conditions)
But I'll be judged by 12, before carried by 6.
In truth, I'd be much more likely to be carrying screwdrivers at the time, and they work well too.
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http://www.untuckit.com/

Ninjas have skills....

For me,

Colt Defender in .45acp

dave

XDS .45 with Crimson Trace green. To me that is ideal.

Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even.

I knew a guy that brought a knife to a gunfight....

Of course, we would not have had a court to worry about, but in Army hand, to hand combat training they taught us to use the best weapon we had.

my most recent go to concealed carry weapon is a Ruger LC9s

Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

I love the Glock 19 but don't plan on trying to conceal it anytime soon. For me, the G43 is as big as I can justify for EDC and that's even pushing it.

IWB won't work for your wardrobe?

Good judgment.

I have a glock 42 380 it fits in my back pocket and isnt noticable

Double short barreled exposed hammer shotgun with a sling full of 00 shot

Just what you see pal...




Dave

Sure thing, Mr. Dundee.



Dave

Hey you can't do that!!

Wrong!!

Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what?

I've been throwing pointy things since I was a child. It is a long time skill. I shoot a bow instinctively, and I hunt small game with a slingshot. It doesn't make me a bad-ass, it makes me a survivor.
I took a class last weekend, on civilian response to an active shooter. The emphasis was on unarmed. They were suprised by an improvised weapon choice, and were unaware of a flaw in a technique for preventing a door from opening. (It can be defeated with a paperclip in a couple of seconds). That is still not bad-ass, that is knowledge of the hardware involved.
if your only defense involves a gun, without a gun you're just a Target.

a friend of mine was in a store when it got robbed not long ago. he has had a CCW for many years but also Had Court business later that day. He never felt more naked, than when the only weapon he could come up with was a can of vegetables. He made some good choices, and mistakes where he failed to think it through.
A CCW is new to me, but stacking the deck in legal ways, is not. once I can post some personal pics, I'll post a few I came up with for my mother. she was working on a college campus that would not allow weapons. I had word-of-mouth orders to fill for almost 2 years on one item. (Hand made)

What, no shillelagh? Where's flave?

FU A'hole.

BTW thanks to Kingston and his selfies this thread is closed to me!!

His trigger guard actually looks like a used condom…. oh the irony.

COCKED and LOCKED



Sounds like you need to tweak your parental control settings.

buwaahahahahahahahahahaaaa….thanks for not showing the cock-ed! And the load!!

Take your word for it.

Trunk Monkey!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8oPVVGYQ40


Jerry

I dont know if it is the best, but works for me.

Beretta Nano in 9mm that I keep mega clean and lightly oiled.

Now that I practiced....I can put a bunch of rounds center mass on the target, pretty quickly.

Oh, wife carries the Ruger LCR in 38.

If you are not really, really familiar with a semi-auto pistol, I would recommend a revolver. By familiar, I mean clearing the weapon in the event of it malfunctioning, brass stuck, ect.

Is this guy Gecko45, or what?

LOL

I went to see what a Gecko45 was, and found this... http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11382062/1

Good lord you bastages are cruel...lol (holy crap)

Ya caught me.



Gyrojets rock....

Does he have a single shot 300WM to provide cover fire?

Did you ever get inflicted with GunKid? Willing and planning to kill everyone he meets, with a silenced, .22, a barkless Chihuahua, and a Tactical wheel barrel?

Kahr P9

Glock 36.

In the field hunting is about the only time.....have a knife with a 3" or longer blade in your vehicle cannot be accessible....

With modern 9mm loadings, I don't see the need for a .45 in a concealed carry handgun.

What I'm talking about is step one in this video. https://youtu.be/6n7Qz4M0BrE
If I can get enough slack to gain even 1/4" of air space, I can release that knob from the far side.

I live in a Seattle suburb with extremely low crime rate. 380 is good enough.

5 miles away are Seattle neighborhoods with extremely high crime rates. 380 in my left hand and 45acp in my right hand.

What's the law on hatchets, hammers, or baseball bats??

Looks as if you were a LITTLE LATE!!

Two reliable pistols you can shoot well.

You just can't replace that sectional density. And kinetic energy.

What ever you can carry EVERY DAY and its comfortable enough to forget you have it on you. Until you get to that point you will never carry everyday.

For me its my g43 in my hide- it- holster and a extra mag in my pocket.

A decision whether to carry or not might reasonably be based on that analysis, but once the decision is made that the likelihood is high enough to justify carrying a handgun, the probability of victimization doesn't seem a reasonable basis for choice of handgun. If it's going to happen, you are no more more or less likely to need a particular type of handgun vs another based on what the probability was that you'd be victimized.

The choice of handgun should be made mostly based on what type of handgun you'd like to have should you need to use it to save your life from an attacker. Secondary factors after that would have to do with comfort and concealability, but those would be fairly distant secondary considerations vs what you'd like to have should you need it, and - once again - the latter seems to me to be entirely unrelated to the probability of victimization.

That was from the day before.

WARNING: I Just about stroked-out laughing while watching this video.


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LMAO!

That fruit definitely has a shillelagh... and a vacuum-sealed pistol in his shower....

Wayne, I respectfully disagree. On sectional density, that can be matched to the common .45 ACP loads with common 9x19 loads. The 9 may not quite make the top end .45ACP KE numbers, but they are certainly capable of getting into the same ballpark as most .45ACP loads.

If you are talking momentum, then yes, I agree because there is no replacement for mass in that equation.

That said, the 9x19 covers a lot of bases today, and especially firepower when threats are more likely than ever to be in multiples and damned well armed.

I've changed over the years from from 1911 45 to a gun very few people like, carried in a rig most people despise. A 92Fs in a shoulder holster.
It's slow to get out, but is very well hidden. Because it hides so well I'm more likely to be packing
I'm not going to win at quick draw contest, but if I survive to get it and the spare mags I'm going to raise hell with 46 rounds of 9mm.

Rohrbaugh 9S, 9mm

Kingston, I want one.
I think that is a full sized stainless Colt 1911.
I am going to buy one.
I already have everything else in the picture.

If you need to come down this direction, might want to throw a couple extra loaded mags in the vehicle as well.

I keep a Ruger LCP tucked between the seats in my truck.

I had a Kel-Tec 3AT, which is just like a Ruger LCP in my pocket for years, and handed it to my friend to deliver the coup de grace to a buck antelope.



It did not fire. There was too much pocket lint inside. I took out the magazine, pulled back the slide, and blew out a huge ball of lint. Then he killed the antelope with it.

I now check firearms for pocket lint, especially the P3AT and LCP.

Need to check mine for french fries

Met a woman who carried three J-frames--hip, purse, and ankle. She. DId not like reloading.

15 Shots ought to do it

Octapussy

I carried this .38 Super for a few days this last weekend. I can't say I enjoyed the weight, but I enjoyed the thought of it.

If you're gonna carry something that size, why not a 45.. seems like much more thought enjoyment.

A friend of mine used to carry a 1911 with 200 grain loads. He practiced daily at his house, shooting into some sort of backstop he had made. One day he changed and shot some 230 grain loads and was amazed at how much more noticeable the impact that extra 30 grains made on the backstop. You can try and explain away penetration or whatever with a 9MM, but it aint gonna have the same effect on what receives the bullet. Sectional density is a result of the diameter of the bullet, you can't match SD with a smaller bullet. Energy comes from weight and size.

Yes they are heavier to carry than a 9MM, that's why I carry the Glock and not a 1911.

Your friend was witnessing differences in momentum. Mass always makes a bigger difference there than anything else. Momentum is a function of mass times velocity (m x v). Kinetic energy is a function of mass times velocity squared (m x (v x v))

Sectional density is a ratio of mass to cross-sectional area. The formula is weight in pounds divided by the diameter in inches squared. SD of a .452" 230 grain bullet is 0.161. SD of a .355" 147 grain bullet is actually slightly higher at 0.167. Matching sectional density between one caliber and another is pretty easy as it is a ratio. What cannot be matched is mass.

Well, your SD numbers may be correct, but in the real world, there is a reason the US adopted the 45 long ago. The "let's be nice" 9MM thing has seen it's day. Are we not going back to the 45?

I went looking for one of those Wednesday, but all they had was 38 Super, and i wanted 45acp.


So I got these

I've got to find a holster I like, especially in the summer.

After handling a few, and then handling some more, I'm leaning toward the S&W Shield, but still mulling.

Let me know if you want me to send you a couple rolls of electrical tape for those 49 Colt grips.

One of my favorite warm weather setups.

I gotta get one of them, you must be a Pro.

from the INGWE spring collection?

Yep.

Ruger LC9s is very easy to conceal where it can be dug out quickly and if I ever have to do it, it won't be for just one shot.

and illegal in many states. NO CCW authorizes that!

True, damn few people can carry a full size Glock or anything that size without "printing" in the summer. Plus a hell of a lot more comfortable to carry all day. I am carrying one of mine at all times.

I have a Kahr P9, shield 9, 442 for in the pocket and summer shorts is Kahr 380. My truck always has a M&P 357 Sig and house has several other fullsize M&Ps.

All the 9s are loaded with Federal 147 HST ammo. Sig has HST also

Most important is go rent a couple and see which one fits your hand the best and easiest to shoot.

This is clipped on my right pocket. https://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-2900-Assisted/dp/B0033HF4CQ

Very sharp, slasher extroidinair, easy to use, quick to get to, will get about 6" penetration also. Small enough no major legal issues just about anywhere. Inexpensive enough to lose once in a while too.

Perfect old fart tool..........

Damn Sam, like cast iron pots and pans...