Accused of lying:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/27/fbi-agent-indicted-ammon-bundy-oregon-refuge-stand/

They started shooting first way before they said he was reaching for his pocket, then lied about it..There should be a lot more charges than that!!!

Mmmm, this could get interesting. 37 pages at least?

The news conference today is sure to raise eyebrows and boil blood.

Geno

So maybe Finicum was just defending himself......

If there was no wrong doing there would be no reason to lie.

EXACTLY!!!

Indicted for poor shooting?

I recall the FBI missed. It was Troopers that shot ol LaVoy.

Everyone involved in that shooting should be indicted from the governor on down. It flat out did not need to happen, it was a setup and a bad shoot.

Well....that explains it.

Bad shoot, Setup. Going to make an example of him so the militias would be subdued . They were making up for the Bundy stand off. Sure need to be lots of indictments handed out on this.

Just carrying out Obama's orders.

It would have been OK if he was the leader of a church or had a tan (depending on who you ask).

evidently lying is part of an FBI agent's job. They all seem to do it, from the top down to the bottom. I don't like, or trust any of 'em.

That's a mouthful.

I agree completely.

"State police troopers then shot Finicum three times after he emerged from his truck and reached for his inner jacket pocket, where police said he had a loaded 9mm handgun."

Can't say I blame the rancher for that either. Reaching for a gun will get you shot but if there's already bullets hitting your truck and being fired in your direction, I guess I'd pull a gun also. Last I checked I have a God given right to defend my life.

and it represents a quantum step from how I have felt about the FBI all my life. Heck, I have some in the family. I know a bunch more. I cook for a crowd of them every year. I suppose I should not say "any of 'em"
And yet, watching what is happening with that organization, the leadership, rank and file, I can't help but find myself becoming very cynical about the FBI.

I've seen all the footage released, heard the audio from inside his vehicle, as he left it with his hands up. It sounded like a war zone.
The road block on a blind curve was not proper procedure from what I have read, even the drone footage is cruder than that drone is capable of.
His hands didn't drop until he got hit, and you can see it in the frame by frame.
In my opinion, he was gunned down like a rabid dog. Smoking gun? Take your pick, there were plenty to choose from. There dang well better be charges filed.

Didn't Obama hire over 7,000 agents during his administration? I seem to remember that figure from somewhere.

Some interesting information coming out. There needs to be more indictments.
Finicum grabbed at his chest after he was shot ... extensive analysis of autopsy reports and wound trajectories show this.


Bullet trajectorys

Indictment here:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3879758/Astarita-Indictment.pdf

Gotta love how the Feds used staties to do their dirty work.

This should be just the first leak in the dike. That was not a righteous shoot.

A good start, maybe they can get the guy to roll over on the rubber bullet shooter.

Good. Hope he burns and torches a bunch of others with him.

Be nice to hear the real story but we never will.

I went out to Burns to see it all first hand on what was going on....

The road north on US 395 was blocked off all the next day...

The entire town had so many cops from all sorts of agencies and from bordering counties....

Burns was like an occupied city, out of the movies... Reminded me on the Commies occupying the
town in that movie Red Dawn...with Patrick Swazey & Charlie Sheen.

I also saw the convoys going out Rt 205 down to the Refuge Location south of town, with all sort of
military equipment, vehicles, armored personnel carriers... full military operation...

it was pretty obvious, someone much higher in the Federal Government wanted the entire event over.

and it was pretty obvious that a lot of the Feds were itching to shoot someone...

They were busy ordering everyone around, like it was the first day of basic training and they were all
drill Sgts...Its like that they were motivated and thrilled as hell to be there... and were ready to kick
someone's ass... and it didn't matter who or what for.

What I saw out there, it is no question in my mind, Finicum and Bundy were going up to Grant County
to speak and meet with officials in John Day....that they were Ambushed, to where the Feds had road blocks
set up....the Feds shot first and they were out to kill someone, to sacrifice as to show that they were bad asses
and meant business......

Saw that all over the town of Burns watching these guys...I just happened to go out there, the night they shot Finicum and
the day they went out and surrounded the Protestors out at the Refuge.. which is 60 miles south of town...

but how can that be?...Alex Jones said LF was shot 9 times by the FBI..!...lol

LF refusing to comply with the first attempted felony arrest road stop and then
moving about after exiting the vehicle instead of just face down in the snow,
what was the crazy mormon thinking?

On Jan 6th he told media he would rather choose death over surrender, right or wrong
he got his wish.

Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Bryan Cavalier, Shawna Cox and Ryan Payne had the brains
to comply with the first felony arrest vehicle stop.

"The episode was captured on FBI aerial surveillance video. Two days after the shooting, FBI officials released a 26-minute segment of the video to quell rumors about how Finicum died. But the video continues for another hour, law enforcement sources said, capturing the subsequent actions of the FBI agents.

The police reports show that investigators, who saw the full FBI video the day after the shooting, suspected something was amiss. They searched two FBI pickups used at the roadblock, looking for bullet casings, according to a detective's report. They didn't find any.

In the days following, detectives asked at least three state troopers what bullet casings they had seen after the shooting and whether they had seen anyone pick them up.

One trooper - identified only as Officer 5 - told investigators that he saw two rifle casings in the area of the roadblock. He described them both as copper-colored.

An investigator asked him, according to the interview transcript: "Did you happen to see anybody, um, picking anything up? Like, specifically, the rifle brass?"

The trooper responded: "No."

The color of the casings could be a crucial detail. Troopers use state-issued ammunition that comes in silver-colored casings."

"Police reports document that detectives didn't arrive at the roadblock to collect evidence until just before 7 p.m. on the day of the shooting. That was nearly 90 minutes after the FBI video showed the agents looking around where they had been posted. Evidence logs don't list any copper casings found at the scene.

Forensic specialists from the Oregon State Police conducted a ballistic trajectory analysis to determine the path of the bullet. Their calculations produced an estimate that traced the path back toward where two FBI agents were standing at the time the shot was fired. They pinned down that instant by synchronizing the moment when the Cox video recorded the round striking the truck with the overhead FBI video showing the location of all the officers.

The investigators last week released an image of the trajectory cone for the hole in the truck roof. The Oregonian/OregonLive independently applied that cone to the FBI's overhead video and the Cox video at the time the shot struck the roof. The resulting image placed one FBI agent in the trajectory roughly 15 feet from Finicum's pickup.

Investigators, using precise measurements of vehicle locations and law enforcement positions, concluded that the first agent was the one who fired into Finicum's roof."

Bullet casings disappear from LaVoy Finicum shooting scene

does anyone honestly think the 'truth' will ever come out? Every video is suspect, every 'testimony' is suspect. Were the truth to be revealed, would anyone believe it?

The truth is that this shooting was nothing more than a tactical ambush setup by and executed by the FBI and state to end the protest, with the cost of such operation being totally on the protestor's side, and no cost or loss of life to those ending the protest. You can't fight City Hall, and Obama was out to prove it, and make a statement. Especially after they had to pull their horns in, and retreat in AZ.

It was making Obama look bad.


We didn't see these types of ambush operations with the "Occupy" protestors. Or with the "Pipeline" protestors. Or with the paid, violent protestors at Trump rallies.

This was partisan politics, plain and simple. And as with other Federale alphabet agencies, they were mobilized to harm U.S. citizens by the Obama Administration.

Much ado about nothing. The agent didn't hit anyone. The crime is solely over the issue of not coming forward, and that is a justified expectation.

"The folks at "Occupy" and "Pipeline" were not armed. Comparing is apples and pineapples. Take over Federal property with guns and throw out plenty of "if you are coming for me you best bring your guns" type quotes and act surprised when .gov takes you up on it is, well just plain stupid.

Very, very wrong! He did not hit anyone, but obviously shot first causing Finicum to go into defense mode. The shots were not justified and he lied to cover them and destroyed evidence by picking up his brass and not admitting he had done so.

He in large part caused Finicum's death.

Finicum caused his own death. Had he stayed home he would be alive. Had he followed commands like everyone else in the rig he would still be alive.

Ah. Another uninformed, liberal idiot...



Please explain this:

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/new...peline-protester-accused-shooting-police



Finicum, nor any other person there ever threatened, nor pointed any weapon at all at anyone. Let alone any law enforcement.

But, nice try.

Ahhh another uninformed flat earther. You didn't follow the take over very close did you? Google is your friend. BTW if you feel so strong about the take over why weren't you there?

Rob Jordan, is that you?

What a good little boy you are.

So was Bundy and the rest of the crew in the rig. If you are such a rebel why weren't you there?

You don't have to blame Harry Reid if you don't want to; maybe you can get a red light and siren for your volvo.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ry-reid-drive-standoff-bundy-ranch-pers/

You did read this right?


The Republic Broadcasting Network said Sen. Reid was behind the use of force to take away Bundy’s land and sell it to the Chinese. There is nothing accurate about this claim. The dispute involved Bundy’s long use of federal land without a permit. The land gained protected status long before solar energy projects were on the table. The Chinese solar energy proposal no longer exists. The land where such projects might be developed are far from Bundy’s property.We rate this claim Pants on Fire.

You just do what your told and be a good little boy.

So outlaw, why weren't you there?

There is also the possibility that the shots that killed Finicum were fired, in part, in the belief that shots were being fired by people inside the pickup. That could affect the use of force calculus on the part of the person who fired the killing shots. That could have caused the death. The cover up of the shot also may have had the impact of putting that trooper in greater legal jeopardy while appearing to absolve the person who put the chain of events in motion.

So, a man has to act out, in real life all of his beliefs, or get blamed for not being there?

GMAFB.

If that holds true, then why were you not at the baseball field helping the other idiot shoot republicans?

Come on, sockpuppet. Answer that.

Google is your friend....

Video clears that

No it doesn't. You can hear shots before he exits the vehicle. Those would be the shots that a trooper hiding in the woods would be trying to analyze.

Yes, unless you are all hat and no cows.



I never once said I supported the baseball field shooter, but you continue to support the bumbling Bundy Bunch. Fairly simple to see the difference.

No dumbass. I don't support Bundy.

But, I damn sure don't support government over reach either.

But between the government and Bundy, Bundy IS far less dangerous and less likely to get mixed up in my freedom.


Fuggin sock puppets.