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Posted By: bobmn Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
The Black Dilemma: Freedman's Aid Society


"For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.

Their new laws intruded into people's lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice-versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.

Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.

Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn't mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities.

But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it's a problem of culture, as if culture creates peoples behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege.

But since 1965, when the elites opened America's doors to the Third World immigrants from Asia and India people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country's violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.

Our leaders don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don't understand that white people aren't out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.

"You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Ian Duncan
The Baltimore Sun
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Why is there no link to The Baltimore Sun?
Posted By: Squirrelnut Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
100% correct.
Posted By: Paul_M Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Why is there no link to The Baltimore Sun?

Here ya go. whistle
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-note-to-readers-20150611-story.html
Posted By: 45_100 Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
While elites and leftists might call this racist, it says what I believe more eloquently than I could ever say it. Throughout history certain races and cultures have made greater advancements than other races and cultures. I don't have any thoughts on why this is true, but it is. The most advanced countries in Africa, including North Africa were the countries colonized by the Europeans. When we make generalizations there are always exceptions. Some of the world's great inventions were made by black people and some of the world's exceptional people are black.

When O was elected president I was often accused of being racist. I had never met the man and never did. I have been told on good authority by someone who spent a lot of time around him that he was friendly and pleasant. Unlike Hitlery. Just because I didn't agree with him politically did not make me racist.
Posted By: Gus Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
according to many anthropology types, there's been numerous species of mankind (humankind) over the years. now we're down to one species (homo sapiens) and numerous races. just the way it is. evolution i suppose.
Posted By: Squirrelnut Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Kevin Myers (born 30 March 1947) is an Irish journalist and writer. He writes for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, having previously been a columnist for the Irish Independent and a former contributor to The Irish Times, where he wrote the “An Irishman’s Diary” opinion column several times weekly. Until 2005, he wrote for the UK Sunday Telegraph. His articles criticise left-wing opinion and the “liberal consensus”, sometimes incorporating hyperbole,sarcasm and parody.This essay recently appeared in The Irish Independent:



Africa is giving nothing to anyone — apart from AIDS

Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organisations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74. And there are continuing droughts every 5 years or so. It’s just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organisations, over the past 50 years. So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.

Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child’s life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ . Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population, who cannot be educated , let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster

We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbours, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation.

So what do we do? Let them starve? What a dilemma for our Judeo/ Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality. And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia, and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan. Is this the beginning of the end of civilisation?

AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa — apart from AIDS and new disease. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the Begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today. So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.

To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn’t count. One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.

There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O’Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to Western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia’s population has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by lending it from the World Bank!

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, etcetera.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured
worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now — one way or another — virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa’s peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley. So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably
jolly little lives ahead of them. Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough. For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates’ programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America. (not forgetting Australia!)

http://africaunauthorised.com/?p=1311
Posted By: kwg020 Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Originally Posted by Squirrelnut
Kevin Myers (born 30 March 1947) is an Irish journalist and writer. He writes for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, having previously been a columnist for the Irish Independent and a former contributor to The Irish Times, where he wrote the “An Irishman’s Diary” opinion column several times weekly. Until 2005, he wrote for the UK Sunday Telegraph. His articles criticise left-wing opinion and the “liberal consensus”, sometimes incorporating hyperbole,sarcasm and parody.This essay recently appeared in The Irish Independent:



Africa is giving nothing to anyone — apart from AIDS

Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organisations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74. And there are continuing droughts every 5 years or so. It’s just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organisations, over the past 50 years. So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.

Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child’s life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ . Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population, who cannot be educated , let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster

We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbours, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation.

So what do we do? Let them starve? What a dilemma for our Judeo/ Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality. And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia, and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan. Is this the beginning of the end of civilisation?

AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa — apart from AIDS and new disease. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the Begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today. So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.

To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn’t count. One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.

There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O’Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to Western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia’s population has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by lending it from the World Bank!

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, etcetera.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured
worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now — one way or another — virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa’s peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley. So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably
jolly little lives ahead of them. Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough. For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates’ programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America. (not forgetting Australia!)

http://africaunauthorised.com/?p=1311


Absolute best assessment I have ever seen about Africa.

kwg
Posted By: Mike_S Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Originally Posted by Paul_M
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Why is there no link to The Baltimore Sun?

Here ya go. whistle
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-note-to-readers-20150611-story.html



That link states the Baltimore Sun did not publish the story. Fake editorial?
Posted By: JamesJr Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by Squirrelnut
Kevin Myers (born 30 March 1947) is an Irish journalist and writer. He writes for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, having previously been a columnist for the Irish Independent and a former contributor to The Irish Times, where he wrote the “An Irishman’s Diary” opinion column several times weekly. Until 2005, he wrote for the UK Sunday Telegraph. His articles criticise left-wing opinion and the “liberal consensus”, sometimes incorporating hyperbole,sarcasm and parody.This essay recently appeared in The Irish Independent:



Africa is giving nothing to anyone — apart from AIDS

Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organisations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74. And there are continuing droughts every 5 years or so. It’s just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organisations, over the past 50 years. So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.

Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child’s life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ . Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population, who cannot be educated , let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster

We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbours, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation.

So what do we do? Let them starve? What a dilemma for our Judeo/ Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality. And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia, and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan. Is this the beginning of the end of civilisation?

AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa — apart from AIDS and new disease. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the Begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today. So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.

To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn’t count. One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.

There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O’Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to Western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia’s population has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by lending it from the World Bank!

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, etcetera.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured
worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now — one way or another — virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa’s peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley. So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably
jolly little lives ahead of them. Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough. For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates’ programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America. (not forgetting Australia!)

http://africaunauthorised.com/?p=1311


Absolute best assessment I have ever seen about Africa.

kwg


Agreed.......all Africa is good for is to make some White person feel sorry about it's plight......a plight that it has put itself into.
Posted By: JamesJr Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Originally Posted by Mike_S
Originally Posted by Paul_M
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Why is there no link to The Baltimore Sun?

Here ya go. whistle
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-note-to-readers-20150611-story.html



That link states the Baltimore Sun did not publish the story. Fake editorial?



That story may be "fake" as far as having been written by a journalist for the Baltimore Sun, but it is 100% correct. I don't know if I've ever read another assessment of the Black versus White relations, that hit the nail on the head any better than that.
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
I guess a bunch of them are going to die. We have people here that are hungry. We can't support everyone.
Posted By: WyoCoyoteHunter Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Well said!!
Posted By: sawbuck Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
" permanently tumescent layabouts" grin
Posted By: nifty-two-fifty Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
An excellent article, but the Baltimore Sun had no connection.

Snopes says:

While many online postings of the above-displayed article in June 2015 claimed that it had been recently published in Baltimore Sun, this article has actually been circulating on the Internet since at least September 2014, when it was published under the title “Ten Percent Is Not Enough” in the American Renaissance blog.
Posted By: OrangeOkie Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Everything in the piece is correct and it is called "Negro Fatigue"


https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11416033/1
Posted By: 45_100 Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
I would not expect any major publication to have the guts to publish either of those articles. When I read the first article I took it to mean the writer was affiliated with the Baltimore Sun not that they published it.
Posted By: RickyD Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/02/17
Lyndon Banes Johnson's Great Society and the War on Poverty was not an attempt to help blacks but to put them back into bondage. In the 50's and 60's demoncraps saw the blacks emerging from their poverty and becoming mainstream and would not tolerate that so they hooked the blacks on welfare and destroyed their family structures by the requirements of the welfare. I'm sure many R's were equally complicit. That is why it never worked. It wasn't meant to.
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by RickyD
Lyndon Banes Johnson's Great Society and the War on Poverty was not an attempt to help blacks but to put them back into bondage. In the 50's and 60's demoncraps saw the blacks emerging from their poverty and becoming mainstream and would not tolerate that so they hooked the blacks on welfare and destroyed their family structures by the requirements of the welfare. I'm sure many R's were equally complicit. That is why it never worked. It wasn't meant to.


Oh, it worked alright..............it's given us the black dependency on .gov & the freedom & power to destroy the country.

MM
Posted By: HawkI Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by RickyD
Lyndon Banes Johnson's Great Society and the War on Poverty was not an attempt to help blacks but to put them back into bondage. In the 50's and 60's demoncraps saw the blacks emerging from their poverty and becoming mainstream and would not tolerate that so they hooked the blacks on welfare and destroyed their family structures by the requirements of the welfare. I'm sure many R's were equally complicit. That is why it never worked. It wasn't meant to.


Oh, it worked alright..............it's given us the black dependency on .gov & the freedom & power to destroy the country.

MM


Only if there are enough guilt ridden to feed it.

Also dont think for a moment other demographics arent effected. You can piss in the ladies room because you're [bleep] in the head, youre a perv or because youre born with tackle you cant deal with. Its okay, we'll protect you from the normal, productive people that have to pay for this bullshit....

Ive said a million times, we fund stupidity 150%.
Posted By: rickt300 Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Ok so .000012 percent of the population has it figured out, what now?
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
In today's world ideas and capital flow freely across borders. One would think the African countries would adapt the laws and rules of, say, Denmark, take out a loan, and become rich middle class cultures.

But they don't. Why not?

Iceland, with almost no natural resources, is a wealthy island country while Haiti, with many natural resources, is a hell hole.

Why?

The answer is obvious.
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
There are some that want to work and have something,but doesn't seem like too many do.
Posted By: JamesJr Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
I have always lived in an area with a large Black population. This is farm country, and many of the original settlers brought their slaves with them, so most of the Blacks here were descended from slaves. Growing up in the 1950's and 60's, a good many Blacks worked on farms, and in the tobacco fields. Many of them were poor, as were many Whites, but they worked, because they had to or starve. The Black family was intact too, as you didn't see what you do today. Still, there was a percentage of Blacks who were prone to be criminals. Most of the thefts in the are were traced back to Blacks, as were murders, and other crimes. But, by and large, the majority of Blacks were decent people, and what crimes went on, were mostly within their own communities.

That changed after the Civil Rights Act, and the start of the welfare and food stamp programs. A majority of the Blacks here, once they got in "the system", quickly became less than desirable people. Many of the ones that lived on the farms, and in the country, were still good people, who worked hard and weren't ruined by welfare. The Black family disappeared as the Black women learned how to milk the system for all it was worth. The crime rate began to soar as the men had nothing but time on their hands.

Today, it is a far different place then it was 50 years ago. The Blacks that are here are nothing like the ones were back then.....and to be fair, the same can be said about many Whites as well. The welfare system ruined them all.
Posted By: victoro Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
"Lyndon Banes Johnson's Great Society and the War on Poverty was not an attempt to help blacks but to put them back into bondage."

That's true but the main reason was to ensure they would vote for Democrats. It's worked exactly as they hoped it would.
Posted By: deflave Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by Squirrelnut
Kevin Myers (born 30 March 1947) is an Irish journalist and writer. He writes for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, having previously been a columnist for the Irish Independent and a former contributor to The Irish Times, where he wrote the “An Irishman’s Diary” opinion column several times weekly. Until 2005, he wrote for the UK Sunday Telegraph. His articles criticise left-wing opinion and the “liberal consensus”, sometimes incorporating hyperbole,sarcasm and parody.This essay recently appeared in The Irish Independent:



Africa is giving nothing to anyone — apart from AIDS

Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organisations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74. And there are continuing droughts every 5 years or so. It’s just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organisations, over the past 50 years. So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.

Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child’s life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ . Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population, who cannot be educated , let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster

We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbours, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation.

So what do we do? Let them starve? What a dilemma for our Judeo/ Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality. And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia, and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan. Is this the beginning of the end of civilisation?

AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa — apart from AIDS and new disease. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the Begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today. So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.

To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn’t count. One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.

There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O’Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to Western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia’s population has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by lending it from the World Bank!

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, etcetera.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured
worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now — one way or another — virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa’s peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley. So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably
jolly little lives ahead of them. Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough. For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates’ programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America. (not forgetting Australia!)

http://africaunauthorised.com/?p=1311



Human beings are not unlike a forest.

Every now and then we need a good burn.



Clark
Posted By: deflave Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Quote
Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.


This is good writing. Factual and funny.




Clark
Posted By: Mikewriter Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Many years ago I saw Sam Kinison do a "comedy" sketch on Ethiopia, and the failure of massive foreign aid to help the people. His solution was to show them they were standing on sand. "You live in a Fuggin desert! You can't grow food in a desert! Move somewhere that you can grow food!"

I don't think his intention was to bring them all here, though.

In the flooding here in Texas, the shelters are filled with "poor" blacks, expecting free shelter and food. The news reporters try to make this an emotional crisis, without mentioning that most of these people were expecting - and largely getting - free shelter and food BEFORE the storm, as it has become a way of life for them to live off the work of others (whites, ostly) rather than work themselves. I fear this is not a sustainable system for any of us.


Mike
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by bobmn
The Black Dilemma: Freedman's Aid Society


"For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.

Their new laws intruded into people's lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice-versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.

Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.

Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn't mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities.

But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it's a problem of culture, as if culture creates peoples behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege.

But since 1965, when the elites opened America's doors to the Third World immigrants from Asia and India people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country's violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.

Our leaders don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don't understand that white people aren't out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.

"You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Ian Duncan
The Baltimore Sun

Excellent. Hard to believe it's actually from a major newspaper. If so, I expect the author will soon find himself out of a job, and unhireable in the US. That's what telling the truth gets you, nowadays.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by Paul_M
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Why is there no link to The Baltimore Sun?

Here ya go. whistle
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-note-to-readers-20150611-story.html

About what I figured. No way anyone tells the truth in a major Newspaper.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by Paul_M
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Why is there no link to The Baltimore Sun?

Here ya go. whistle
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-note-to-readers-20150611-story.html

About what I figured. No way anyone tells the truth in a major Newspaper.
Originally Posted by Gus
according to many anthropology types, there's been numerous species of mankind (humankind) over the years. now we're down to one species (homo sapiens) and numerous races. just the way it is. evolution i suppose.

Race is the scientific equivalent to subspecies.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
"Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child’s life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ ."

That explanation won't fly. Average Sub-Saharan IQ tracks with race, not diet. This has been confirmed through scientific studies. The 70 IQ average is constant with dark skinned people of Sub-Saharan ancestry regardless of their conditions of upbringing. Those with lighter average skin, such as the American black population, have a higher average IQ (85) due to admixture of European ancestry.
Posted By: RickyD Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by victoro
"Lyndon Banes Johnson's Great Society and the War on Poverty was not an attempt to help blacks but to put them back into bondage."

That's true but the main reason was to ensure they would vote for Democrats. It's worked exactly as they hoped it would.

Of course.
Posted By: 280shooter Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
The origin is below:

Ten Percent Is Not Enough
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by Mikewriter
Many years ago I saw Sam Kinison do a "comedy" sketch on Ethiopia, and the failure of massive foreign aid to help the people. His solution was to show them they were standing on sand. "You live in a Fuggin desert! You can't grow food in a desert! Move somewhere that you can grow food!"

I don't think his intention was to bring them all here, though.

In the flooding here in Texas, the shelters are filled with "poor" blacks, expecting free shelter and food. The news reporters try to make this an emotional crisis, without mentioning that most of these people were expecting - and largely getting - free shelter and food BEFORE the storm, as it has become a way of life for them to live off the work of others (whites, ostly) rather than work themselves. I fear this is not a sustainable system for any of us.


Mike


Mike,

You are presuming these people are capable of doing work of value:



Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
What is the average black persons IQ?
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Found one link that said the average white is 100 and average black is 85. Don't know if this is true or not.
Posted By: Dixie_Dude Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
I heard a black preacher say one time. Democrats trying to help blacks today have actually destroyed their families. He said in slavery, husbands and wives were torn apart and sold seperately as well as their children. Then after the Civil War, as they were becoming family units after a couple of generations the Great Depression hit. Many black men left their families to find work in cities and up north and it broke apart their families again. Then as they began to bring their families back together, Johnson and his welfare and Great Society plan broke up the families again. Welfare for single moms and kids, but if you get married, the man's income is counted and less or no welfare.

Not having cohesive family units, makes them dependent on the state and permanently poor. This is the communists plan for white families also. Break down the family and you can control society with socialism/communism. Poor whites are doing the same thing now, not getting married and making a family work. Then marriage for gays, and you have a mess.
Posted By: Dixie_Dude Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
IQ is true and the average northern European, Jew, and Asian is 110.
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Doesn't sound like the average black can do very many jobs. I've never seen a good black plumber. I'm sure there is some out there, I've never run across one.
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
I don't completely buy these guys methodology, I think there low measurements are overly exaggerated, but it will give you and idea of the magnitude of the problem:

Average IQ by country


There was no consist ant methodology across countries, nor did they control for things such as body morphology or, as previously mentioned, nutrition levels, which do effect cognitive ability.
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
IQ is true and the average northern European, Jew, and Asian is 110.


Europeans are closer to 100. Asians 106 and Ashkenazi Jewish about 115.
Posted By: Borchardt Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
They were slaves in Africa. The major unit of currency in Africa was slaves.
Posted By: Northman Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Average IQ is growing.. By roughly 15 points per 50 years. This is due to education, nutrition and health. Mostly education.

So, the average IQ in the US in early 1900 where 70 compared to todays 100.


Baby Boomers, has an average IQ of 85.. the same as todays Africans. Which is 85.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by hanco
Found one link that said the average white is 100 and average black is 85. Don't know if this is true or not.

That's the figure for American blacks, who are all shades due to mixture with whites. Sub-Saharan blacks (dark skinned) have an average IQ of 70, and these figures hold true regardless of poverty or wealth.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
IQ is true and the average northern European, Jew, and Asian is 110.


Europeans are closer to 100. Asians 106 and Ashkenazi Jewish about 115.

The average IQ in Israel is 95 vs, for example, Italy which is 102.

Jewish IQ being an average of 115 is an artifact of how a Jew is determined for the measure, i.e., by self-identification. Those who self-identify as Jews come from long lines of practicing Jews. In order to remain a practicing Jew in good standing, one must acquire a minimum competency in Hebrew by the age of 13. This sample selection process will naturally skew towards a higher average IQ, since it entirely cuts off the extreme left side of the IQ normal curve.

It would be akin to measuring the IQ of Baptists by only measuring the IQ of Baptists who've graduated from a Baptist middle school. You'd find that figure to be around a standard deviation above 100, i.e., around 115.
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/03/17
Not everyone in Israel is Jewish, Of course your hatred for the Jewish People obstructed your ability to understand that.
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper


You are presuming these people are capable of doing work of value:



But, but, but they are entitled to it anyway.

MM
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper


You are presuming these people are capable of doing work of value:



But, but, but they are entitled to it anyway.

MM



THAT is the dilemma.

What do you do when your economy becomes so oriented toward highly complex skill sets that 10% of your population is left so far behind that the best they can do is stay out of the way of the competent, and do nothing??
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Then they do the jobs that they can do & are "capable" & businesses are not required to hire anyone not qualified.

That will surely lead to a 2 or more caste system & that is exactly what all the entitlements are designed to circumvent, hence the current situation.

People, races, nations are surely not created with equal talent, smarts or resources.............ignoring that is ignoring the laws of nature.

MM
Posted By: Dutch Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
I don't see the problem. Someone has to pick the pubic hairs out of the urinals.....
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
I was born a poor black child. Steve Martin
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
black and dilemma is the oxymoron champion of the whole gd world since the beginning of time. crazy

Kinda like a serial corndogging kweer staggering around wondering why his ass hurts.
Posted By: JamesJr Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
People, races, nations are surely not created with equal talent, smarts or resources.............ignoring that is ignoring the laws of nature.

MM




That's it in a nutshell........everyone is NOT born equal to everyone else. It is the liberal/socialist/leftist mindset that believes that way. It's just the way things work, as the OP said, it's the law of nature. God may love all his children, regardless of their skin color, but I do not believe that He intended for part of them to sit on their asses and let the rest do the work.

Some people, races, nations are just going to be ahead of the rest because of such things as work ethic and intelligent thinking, and to believe any other way is just plain ignorant.
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
They were brought over here to work. They are making up for it now.
Posted By: Squirrelnut Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by Northman
Average IQ is growing.. By roughly 15 points per 50 years. This is due to education, nutrition and health. Mostly education.

So, the average IQ in the US in early 1900 where 70 compared to todays 100.


Baby Boomers, has an average IQ of 85.. the same as todays Africans. Which is 85.


Not exactly.


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Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by JamesJr


Some people, races, nations are just going to be ahead of the rest because of such things as work ethic and intelligent thinking, and to believe any other way is just plain ignorant.


There are a lot of ignorant people in the U.S., UK, Germany, Sweden..................etc.

Either through choice & indoctrination or a fluke of nature; just sayin.

MM
Posted By: night_owl Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper




THAT is the dilemma.

What do you do when your economy becomes so oriented toward highly complex skill sets that 10% of your population is left so far behind that the best they can do is stay out of the way of the competent, and do nothing??


We have an increasingly automated service economy with a select few doing the complicated stuff.
As long as the masses continue to do a good job of channeling money to certain businesses we have a "good economy".
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Quote
That's it in a nutshell........everyone is NOT born equal to everyone else. It is the liberal/socialist/leftist mindset that believes that way. It's just the way things work, as the OP said, it's the law of nature. God may love all his children, regardless of their skin color, but I do not believe that He intended for part of them to sit on their asses and let the rest do the work.

The subject has come up before and freeloaders have existed since time began.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."
Posted By: dodgefan Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't completely buy these guys methodology, I think there low measurements are overly exaggerated, but it will give you and idea of the magnitude of the problem:

Average IQ by country


There was no consist ant methodology across countries, nor did they control for things such as body morphology or, as previously mentioned, nutrition levels, which do effect cognitive ability.


Here is another link that ties into the one you posted.

https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/
Posted By: 458 Lott Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Quote
That's it in a nutshell........everyone is NOT born equal to everyone else. It is the liberal/socialist/leftist mindset that believes that way. It's just the way things work, as the OP said, it's the law of nature. God may love all his children, regardless of their skin color, but I do not believe that He intended for part of them to sit on their asses and let the rest do the work.

The subject has come up before and freeloaders have existed since time began.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."


And because we have fallen away from the word of God, we suffer the consequences.
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't completely buy these guys methodology, I think there low measurements are overly exaggerated, but it will give you and idea of the magnitude of the problem:

Average IQ by country


There was no consist ant methodology across countries, nor did they control for things such as body morphology or, as previously mentioned, nutrition levels, which do effect cognitive ability.


Here is another link that ties into the one you posted.

https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/


Dodgefan,

There some good stuff in your article, especially on the Flynn effect. That would make normalization significantly more difficult.
Posted By: Salmonella Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Africa vs. North America.

African Leopard... a vicious 200 lb mankilling machine that will shred a pack of hounds into a pile of furry hamburger and charge humans and inflict horrendous wounds and often death.
Mountain Lion..a shy, reclusive cat that reaches 200 lbs that easily trees by as few as two hounds with accounts of attacks on humans being very rare.

Cape Buffalo AKA Black Death.
A highly aggressive, incredibly muscular bovine that kills numerous humans on an annual basis.
American Bison...a large bovine grazer that when provoked, will occasionally attack humans.

Nile Crocodile.
A proven Maneater, attacks and devours humans regularly.
American Alligator....a large fearsome looking reptile that has occasionally attacked humans...but attacks are fairly rare.

Seems nearly everything in Africa is more aggressive and prone to attacking with a viscious vengeance.

Why do these attributes stop with human beings?


Just a far out observation of my near 60 years..
Posted By: 5shot Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
Originally Posted by Salmonella
Africa vs. North America.

African Leopard... a vicious 200 lb mankilling machine that will shred a pack of hounds into a pile of furry hamburger and charge humans and inflict horrendous wounds and often death.
Mountain Lion..a shy, reclusive cat that reaches 200 lbs that easily trees by as few as two hounds with accounts of attacks on humans being very rare.

Cape Buffalo AKA Black Death.
A highly aggressive, incredibly muscular bovine that kills numerous humans on an annual basis.
American Bison...a large bovine grazer that when provoked, will occasionally attack humans.

Nile Crocodile.
A proven Maneater, attacks and devours humans regularly.
American Alligator....a large fearsome looking reptile that has occasionally attacked humans...but attacks are fairly rare.

Seems nearly everything in Africa is more aggressive and prone to attacking with a viscious vengeance.

Why do these attributes stop with human beings?


Just a far out observation of my near 60 years..



Not sure that's the case. Hacking people to death with machetes has been pretty common for almost 2 decades.

***Murders***
Posted By: hanco Re: Blacks Dilema - 09/04/17
They best get out, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
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