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The Koran I saw said everyone who would not convert to Islam.
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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
The Koran I saw said everyone who would not convert to Islam.

true and they kill any time any where for any reason they decide to.

P.
Because its a takeover plan, pure and simple.
this is another bloody verse from quaran :


So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds...
.....


it continues on how to kill , where to kill and you rewarded.

BTW : I can be killed because I didn't post the Arabic quote from their book and that is a crime punishable by beheading ! don't reveal my identity :-)

Youre talking about LeahRoys main man, a good man who hated his mother and left his brother to swelter and starve on a survival diet while making less in a year than what Zero made in 2 hours. Yes, a good man who did his best for LeahRoy and his clan.
Blasphemers, infidels, kaffirs, dihimmi's .


It is the second Caliphate make no mistake and they are winning.



They are not here to assimilate or integrate but to exterminate.
Absolutely!
Half of congress supports bring them to the US. When their numbers are high enough they will turn on US.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Youre talking about LeahRoys main man, a good man who hated his mother and left his brother to swelter and starve on a survival diet while making less in a year than what Zero made in 2 hours. Yes, a good man who did his best for LeahRoy and his clan.


If my brother was a POS, much less half POS brother...that only tried to bum money and bad mouth me and my family....I'd watch him starve too, God helps those that help themselves.

But at least he's a Trump supporter:
@ObamaMalik.
Now that my brother's term is ended I am free to declare my support for Donald J. Trump President of the U.S.A. #MAGA
Pat Condell nails it perfectly and also gives us a "preview of coming attractions" in the United States.



The powers-that-be, both in Europe and the United States don't have a clue as to what is really the goal of all the Muslims pouring into our western countries.

L.W.
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Half of congress supports bring them to the US. When their numbers are high enough they will turn on US.

That's the plan.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Half of congress supports bring them to the US. When their numbers are high enough they will turn on US.

That's the plan.



Of whom are you more afraid, juice or mooselimbs? Trying to decide may make your head explode.


mike r
Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Half of congress supports bring them to the US. When their numbers are high enough they will turn on US.

That's the plan.



Of whom are you more afraid, juice or mooselimbs? Trying to decide may make your head explode.


mike r

A weapon pointed at you is a deadly threat, but you need to be more worried about the guy who's pointing it at you.
Just fwiw. I have worked and lived in a muslim dominated country. Also worked professionally in three other Islamic dominated countries. Here are some observations:

The great majority of muslims I have known are not extremist in their views and will typically not even be familiar with the Koran. If they do indeed study it, they will pick and choose parts of the Koran that fits their personal cultural, political and “world view.” They are very “fluid” in their beliefs and desperately want to feel “right” and good about themselves. Believe in Allah and his prophet, submit to Allah, do “good,” pray five times a day and visit Mecca and you’re pretty much in. Doctrine of works. The “submitting to Allah” seemed to be doing what the imam tells you to do.

The muslims I knew did not seem to hold the Koran in the same regard as Christians hold the Bible. The Koran is one thing but the teachings and instruction of the “imam” seemed to be as important if not more important than what the Koran might say. Many seem to be “cultural muslims” and good standing in the mosque might be like being in good standing at the golf club or something. Much pretense and practice of “good social form.” If you are not a muslim, you will be excluded from the “club” so most are anxious to appear as “muslims in good standing” to further advance their own business, careers and social standing. Kinda normal.

Those that I associated with were normally non-confrontational. However, they will seemingly accept and follow what the “imam” says. If you have a fiery imam you will have trouble with the faithful. The good news is that the fiery followers are usually few. If you have “politician” for an imam, you can get along just like you would with some other government official. “Politician type” muslim leaders seem to have more followers than the extremists. Larger congregations if you will.

Muslims do not believe that lying is wrong. Especially lying to a foreigner of some sort. Any lie to advance islam is really a good thing. The ones I knew well would sometimes admit that they were proud of their deceptions. Made business dealings really interesting. Most of the time, the written contracts would prove to be worthless. Mutual benefits were the real basis for most of the business relationships that worked well.

I had a muslim scholar tell me once that Christians believed in “right and wrong.” He thought that was very odd. His idea of “sin” was vague. If one was advancing “islam” then behaviors that I might regard as sinful would not be considered wrong to him. Real danger in this. He said a Christian might expect to be judged for bad behavior but the muslim would be judged for his behavior in advancing and supporting islam.

Well, that’s it for now. As always, YMMV


btw… let no one think I am a muslim apologist. Islam is a lie from the pit of hell and it keeps muslims in bondage.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Half of congress supports bring them to the US. When their numbers are high enough they will turn on US.

That's the plan.



Of whom are you more afraid, juice or mooselimbs? Trying to decide may make your head explode.


mike r

A weapon pointed at you is a deadly threat, but you need to be more worried about the guy who's pointing it at you.



Life is too grand to live in fear, go shooting, it is both good practice and therapeutic.


mike r
I never thought about it being therapeutic, but you are right. I always feel better after a day of shooting.
Originally Posted by TF49
Just fwiw. I have worked and lived in a muslim dominated country. Also worked professionally in three other Islamic dominated countries. Here are some observations:

The great majority of muslims I have known are not extremist in their views and will typically not even be familiar with the Koran. If they do indeed study it, they will pick and choose parts of the Koran that fits their personal cultural, political and “world view.” They are very “fluid” in their beliefs and desperately want to feel “right” and good about themselves. Believe in Allah and his prophet, submit to Allah, do “good,” pray five times a day and visit Mecca and you’re pretty much in. Doctrine of works. The “submitting to Allah” seemed to be doing what the imam tells you to do.

The muslims I knew did not seem to hold the Koran in the same regard as Christians hold the Bible. The Koran is one thing but the teachings and instruction of the “imam” seemed to be as important if not more important than what the Koran might say. Many seem to be “cultural muslims” and good standing in the mosque might be like being in good standing at the golf club or something. Much pretense and practice of “good social form.” If you are not a muslim, you will be excluded from the “club” so most are anxious to appear as “muslims in good standing” to further advance their own business, careers and social standing. Kinda normal.

Those that I associated with were normally non-confrontational. However, they will seemingly accept and follow what the “imam” says. If you have a fiery imam you will have trouble with the faithful. The good news is that the fiery followers are usually few. If you have “politician” for an imam, you can get along just like you would with some other government official. “Politician type” muslim leaders seem to have more followers than the extremists. Larger congregations if you will.

Muslims do not believe that lying is wrong. Especially lying to a foreigner of some sort. Any lie to advance islam is really a good thing. The ones I knew well would sometimes admit that they were proud of their deceptions. Made business dealings really interesting. Most of the time, the written contracts would prove to be worthless. Mutual benefits were the real basis for most of the business relationships that worked well.

I had a muslim scholar tell me once that Christians believed in “right and wrong.” He thought that was very odd. His idea of “sin” was vague. If one was advancing “islam” then behaviors that I might regard as sinful would not be considered wrong to him. Real danger in this. He said a Christian might expect to be judged for bad behavior but the muslim would be judged for his behavior in advancing and supporting islam.

Well, that’s it for now. As always, YMMV


btw… let no one think I am a muslim apologist. Islam is a lie from the pit of hell and it keeps muslims in bondage.


Words from someone who knows what in the hell he is talking about...
"It is the second Caliphate make no mistake and they are winning."

Only because the powers that be won't let us shoot back. mad
Paul B.
Originally Posted by PJGunner
"It is the second Caliphate make no mistake and they are winning."

Only because the powers that be won't let us shoot back. mad
Paul B.

That WILL change...
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Half of congress supports bring them to the US. When their numbers are high enough they will turn on US.

That's the plan.



First you tell us over and over that the Christian/Jewish Zionist Neocons are in charge. We are doomed.
Now you tell us that the plan is for the Islamics to take over. We are doomed.
"Muslims do not believe that lying is wrong, Especially lying to a foreigner of some sort. Any lie to advance islam is really a good thing."

But you believe they wouldn't lie to you.

"The great majority of muslims I have known are not extremist in their views"

How could you possibility know that??? They already told you they don't see anything wrong with lying to infidels.

There are many millions of radical Muslims in the world! They are brainwashed from birth to hate infidels and told they should kill them. You and your backer BOWSINGER are both idiots. As smart as you two think you are if you had to pick the radical Muslim out of a pair of them you would not be able to, multiply that by many millions. You two have been brainwashed.

Originally Posted by victoro
"Muslims do not believe that lying is wrong, Especially lying to a foreigner of some sort. Any lie to advance islam is really a good thing."

But you believe they wouldn't lie to you.

"The great majority of muslims I have known are not extremist in their views"

How could you possibility know that??? They already told you they don't see anything wrong with lying to infidels.

There are many millions of radical Muslims in the world! They are brainwashed from birth to hate infidels and told they should kill them. You and your backer BOWSINGER are both idiots. As smart as you two think you are if you had to pick out the radical Muslim out of a pair of them you would not be able to, multiply that by many millions. You two have been brainwashed.




In my mind, it's kind of a matter of "The only thing required for evil to exist in this world, is for good men to do nothing." I have had friends that were Muslim. In fact a Muslim was best man in my first marriage. Nobody I've run into was particularly interested in killing infidels. In fact, they were doing their best to fit into American culture while still trying to maintain their moslem cultural identity.

These are mostly go-along-to-get-along kind of folks. However, that does not make the overall situation any less dangerous. Let's say all of a sudden, all the Methodists radicalized. You still have the Baptists, Episcopalians, etc. trying their best to be moderate, but folks in general start looking at the Jihadist Methodists and want to paint everyone else into it, because they're all working off the same Bible. Sure, the Presbyterians may announce solidarity with the Methodist cause, but you won't find many Presbyterians motivated to put on suicide belts. Presbyterians do that all the time, because they're . . . well, they're Presbyterians. They really don't mean anything by it. Meanwhile, you've got the bulk of the other Protestants wishing the Methodists would just disappear.

In my way of thinking, radical Islam has selected for psychopathy and sociopathy and weeded out all its normal right-thinking people. Most folk, Islamic or whatever, just don't have the capacity for that level of deception. In order to get things back right again, there's going to have to be a serious effort on all sides to get those more radical sects whacked back, the same way you have to sometimes fry a hornet's nest while keeping the honey bees around.
Victoro seems to think I am an idiot and also have been brainwashed. Well maybe, but I doubt it.

Here is what he posted in italics and followed by comment made by myself:



"Muslims do not believe that lying is wrong, Especially lying to a foreigner of some sort. Any lie to advance islam is really a good thing. But you believe they wouldn't lie to you."


You have got that wrong. I never said that I didn't believe that they would not lie to me. I have been lied to by many muslims in at least four if not five countries. That's is why I said what I said. It is perhaps what you want me to have written but I did not write that and did not express the idea that muslims wouldn't lie to me.



"The great majority of muslims I have known are not extremist in their views"

How could you possibility know that??? They already told you they don't see anything wrong with lying to infidels.


Well, the simple fact is: The great majority if the muslims I have known are not extremist in their views. Let me help you with this. These are people that I have KNOWN. Most I have known them for YEARS, know their families, had a muslim child named after me etc, etc. Also, believe it or don't, I am and was able to detect lies. Certainly not all but many and perhaps even most. Perhaps you cannot tell when a friend of yours, one that you KNOW is obviously untruthful. Perhaps you have been fooled by people you know many times.


Anyway, you go on to say:

"There are many millions of radical Muslims in the world! They are brainwashed from birth to hate infidels and told they should kill them."



Well, this is certainly true. Millions have been taught that. Why did you even bring that up? Did you not get the part about the "fiery imam" and "Real danger here?" Did you note that I believe islam is a lie from the pit of hell?



You end up with this:

"You and your backer BOWSINGER are both idiots. As smart as you two think you are if you had to pick out the radical Muslim out of a pair of them you would not be able to, multiply that by many millions. You two have been brainwashed."



No, we are not both idiots. And yes, I have indeed been able to pick out radical muslims. Done it many times. After you get to know them, it is quite easy. Now, don't come back with some news story about the next door neighbor in some apartment building didn't know their neighbor was a radical. Certainly you can see the difference.


Brainwashed? No, not so. Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel? Brainwashed.... hmm?



TF
My wife lived in Jeddah S.A. and has not one positive thing to say about them. Even though she lived in a giant compound for American and foreign government workers once she left the safety of the compound she saw their third world, sub animal behavior. My wife is a kind and patient woman that wouldn't shed a tear if all muslims were exterminated tomorrow. I'm a bit more intolerant of muslims than she is and I like them even less than her.
Originally Posted by shaman

These are mostly go-along-to-get-along kind of folks. However, that does not make the overall situation any less dangerous. Let's say all of a sudden, all the Methodists radicalized. You still have the Baptists, Episcopalians, etc.


yes , same people who go-along-to-get-along will not stand up and fight . look at what happened to Iraqi army when small group of isis fighter attacked !

on a positive note , I have seen many 'traditional' muslims do everything they can to stay away from any muslims ( go to Wilshire blvd in LA to meet them :-)

P.
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.
Originally Posted by victoro
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.


it takes one 'koran' educated guy to convert a young person with mommy or identity issues and make him murder others,

P.
Originally Posted by victoro
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.


You forgot that Communist China does not have a Muslim problem.
Originally Posted by victoro
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.



Nope, I have picked out radical muslims many times. But, you choose not to believe that. Picking out radical muslims is not all that hard to do. Prior to this British bombing, the Brit intelligence service said that every one of least few terrorist actors were KNOWN to them. They just didn't do anything about it. That Ft Hood shooter was also known. His email traffic to a "fiery imam" overseas was also known by the FBI but they didn't do anything about it. Russians even gave us a heads up about the Boston bombers. Again, nothing was done.
Originally Posted by victoro
"Muslims do not believe that lying is wrong, Especially lying to a foreigner of some sort. Any lie to advance islam is really a good thing."

But you believe they wouldn't lie to you.

"The great majority of muslims I have known are not extremist in their views"

How could you possibility know that??? They already told you they don't see anything wrong with lying to infidels.

There are many millions of radical Muslims in the world! They are brainwashed from birth to hate infidels and told they should kill them. You and your backer BOWSINGER are both idiots. As smart as you two think you are if you had to pick the radical Muslim out of a pair of them you would not be able to, multiply that by many millions. You two have been brainwashed.




Please explain all the thousands of Muslins fighting the radical Muslins on the ground while we cheerlead on the side lines.

You can start with Jordan.
Originally Posted by persiandog
this is another bloody verse from quaran :


So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds...
.....


it continues on how to kill , where to kill and you rewarded.

BTW : I can be killed because I didn't post the Arabic quote from their book and that is a crime punishable by beheading ! don't reveal my identity :-)



Reads like some of the passages in the Old Testament...
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER

Please explain all the thousands of Muslins fighting the radical Muslins on the ground while we cheerlead on the side lines.
You can start with Jordan.


I can start with Kurds because I have lived and worked with them , 99% sunni but they are kurds first and everything else 5th , some pray and go to mosque but most likely discussing the their Kurdish issues , Mosque is like their version of Facebook.


p.
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Originally Posted by persiandog
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER

Please explain all the thousands of Muslins fighting the radical Muslins on the ground while we cheerlead on the side lines.
You can start with Jordan.


I can start with Kurds because I have lived and worked with them , 99% sunni but they are kurds first and everything else 5th , some pray and go to mosque but most likely discussing the their Kurdish issues , Mosque is like their version of Facebook.


p.
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I have found in the past, if you talk about the Kurds...the "Kill them all" thins out.
Originally Posted by TF49
Originally Posted by victoro
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.



Nope, I have picked out radical muslims many times. But, you choose not to believe that. Picking out radical muslims is not all that hard to do. Prior to this British bombing, the Brit intelligence service said that every one of least few terrorist actors were KNOWN to them. They just didn't do anything about it. That Ft Hood shooter was also known. His email traffic to a "fiery imam" overseas was also known by the FBI but they didn't do anything about it. Russians even gave us a heads up about the Boston bombers. Again, nothing was done.


I'm beginning to think you and BOWSINGER must be just kidding. Politically correct people like you two Muslim apologists are the reason people are afraid to profile, investigate or charge Muslims with terrorist activities. Since ya'll are pro-muslim I'll bet you are also pro-illegal immigration. You two mind readers should start a security business identifying the radical Muslims. The only country that has never had a Muslim terrorist event on an airplane is Israel because they profile the passengers before they enter the airport terminal.
BULL Never said a plucking word about profiling. Just talking about now plucking stupid it would be to piss off all the Muslims who are shooting radical Muslins.
beside Koran there many other 'Ha·dith' written by follower of Muhammad that are source of truth for muslims and they are equally disgusting.
Koran directly accepts slavery and tries to regulate it ( be nice to your slaves ) and yet muslims manage to fool some balcks in US and elsewhere to convert.

P.
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by persiandog
this is another bloody verse from quaran :


So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds...
.....


it continues on how to kill , where to kill and you rewarded.

BTW : I can be killed because I didn't post the Arabic quote from their book and that is a crime punishable by beheading ! don't reveal my identity :-)



Reads like some of the passages in the Old Testament...

The ones that direct the annihilation of future muslims and went largely unheeded. Now look where we are and consider why.
Originally Posted by victoro
Originally Posted by TF49
Originally Posted by victoro
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.



Nope, I have picked out radical muslims many times. But, you choose not to believe that. Picking out radical muslims is not all that hard to do. Prior to this British bombing, the Brit intelligence service said that every one of least few terrorist actors were KNOWN to them. They just didn't do anything about it. That Ft Hood shooter was also known. His email traffic to a "fiery imam" overseas was also known by the FBI but they didn't do anything about it. Russians even gave us a heads up about the Boston bombers. Again, nothing was done.


I'm beginning to think you and BOWSINGER must be just kidding. Politically correct people like you two Muslim apologists are the reason people are afraid to profile, investigate or charge Muslims with terrorist activities. Since ya'll are pro-muslim I'll bet you are also pro-illegal immigration. You two mind readers should start a security business identifying the radical Muslims. The only country that has never had a Muslim terrorist event on an airplane is Israel because they profile the passengers before they enter the airport terminal.

You do enjoy taking things out of context, twisting anothers words, and outright lying like the idiot you call others. It's prevalent these days among those who should be supporting each other and the reason we will not succeed or survive. Thank you for exemplifying the reasons for our coming extinction.
They want sharia law which is not compatible with the US Constitution.
Originally Posted by victoro
Originally Posted by TF49
Originally Posted by victoro
"Do you believe that all muslims want to kill the infidel?"

I didn't say that and you are an idiot if you think you can pick out the radical Muslims. You should be sharing your expertise worldwide and the worldwide radical Muslim problem would just disappear. The only country that I know of that doesn't have a problem with radical Muslims is Japan that doesn't allow ANY Muslims to enter their country.



Nope, I have picked out radical muslims many times. But, you choose not to believe that. Picking out radical muslims is not all that hard to do. Prior to this British bombing, the Brit intelligence service said that every one of least few terrorist actors were KNOWN to them. They just didn't do anything about it. That Ft Hood shooter was also known. His email traffic to a "fiery imam" overseas was also known by the FBI but they didn't do anything about it. Russians even gave us a heads up about the Boston bombers. Again, nothing was done.


I'm beginning to think you and BOWSINGER must be just kidding. Politically correct people like you two Muslim apologists are the reason people are afraid to profile, investigate or charge Muslims with terrorist activities. Since ya'll are pro-muslim I'll bet you are also pro-illegal immigration. You two mind readers should start a security business identifying the radical Muslims. The only country that has never had a Muslim terrorist event on an airplane is Israel because they profile the passengers before they enter the airport terminal.





Nope, you're off target again. Gotta laugh a bit here, most of the folks that know me would not think me politically correct. Where did you get that? I know, you are angry and are now starting to make it up as you go along.

Anyway, in my opinion, the President is correct about "vetting" and also correct about the wall. No, not pro-illegal immigration. Also am pro-profiling. You are way way off.

Go be angry at someone else.
if you want to see the extent of violence and savagery of islam ,search for this : surah Muhammad

do a little reading and come back to us with a report.

you might argue about violence in other holly books , but we long ago agreed too follow other laws.

P.
Originally Posted by persiandog

you might argue about violence in other holly books , but we long ago agreed too follow other laws.

P.


That's it.
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